Run Rule Discussion

[Divergence]

The Valley should do away with the run rule. Baseball was meant to be played 9 innings. Case in point in Sunday game with the Shox vs MoST. WSU is up 8-0 with a legititmate chance to score 2 more runs in the 7th to run rule Missouri State - but don't. The game continues on to 9 innings.

MoST score 4 runs in 8th and 3 runs in the 9th and had runners on 1st and 2nd with the score 8-7 Shox. A HR would have given MoST a 10-8 lead. My point - anything can happen. Missouri State almost pulled the improbable comeback.

[/rant off]

[engrshock]

So what u are saying is that if the Shox were up 20 zip in the 7 th that You think the game should continue. If that is the case then maybe Ms. state should have played the other 7 innings rather than just the last two. I think the mercy rule is fine. A 10 run lead after 7 innings is as good a cut off as any.

[iSASO]

It's called the Misery Mercy Rule for a reason.

[WSUfan]

The Valley should do away with the run rule. Baseball was meant to be played 9 innings. Case in point in Sunday game with the Shox vs MoST. WSU is up 8-0 with a legititmate chance to score 2 more runs in the 7th to run rule Missouri State - but don't. The game continues on to 9 innings.

MoST score 4 runs in 8th and 3 runs in the 9th and had runners on 1st and 2nd with the score 8-7 Shox. A HR would have given MoST a 10-8 lead. My point - anything can happen. Missouri State almost pulled the improbable comeback.

[/rant off]

Gene would not have played around with pitchers if the game had not been a blowout. If the game had been closer, Gene would have put Booth in during the eighth inning or pulled Capra quickly in the eighth and put in Booth when he (Capra) got into trouble. Sometimes a big lead makes a coach try something which fails. MSU's "almost ..... improbable comeback" was due to Gene more than to Missouri State. Your example doesn't prove anything to me.

[shocker3]

WSUfan- I agree.

I like the run rule. I think the "mercy" part is for the fans.:valley:

[Divergence]

If that is the case then maybe Ms. state should have played the other 7 innings rather than just the last two.

Why is the 8th or 9th inning any less important than any other inning.

Actually shortening the game makes it easier for the less talented team to win. There are some teams in this league who only go three pitchers deep. If you get to their bullpen almost anything can happen.

[Divergence]

Gene would not have played around with pitchers if the game had not been a blowout. If the game had been closer, Gene would have put Booth in during the eighth inning or pulled Capra quickly in the eighth and put in Booth when he (Capra) got into trouble. Sometimes a big lead makes a coach try something which fails. MSU's "almost ..... improbable comeback" was due to Gene more than to Missouri State. Your example doesn't prove anything to me.

I agree Gene mishandled the pitchers. He has a long track record of that.

I disagree that he was playing around with pitchers. It wasn't like he was trying to let somebody get a inning or two who hadn't pitched. He ended up pitching he best three alternatives.

This example was not meant to prove anything. All it is antedotal evidence that shows results can be different if you play the full game.

[Aargh]

Why is the 8th or 9th inning any less important than any other inning.

Actually shortening the game makes it easier for the less talented team to win. There are some teams in this league who only go three pitchers deep. If you get to their bullpen almost anything can happen.
Usually the run-rule games have scores in the upper teens for one team. Any team that scores maybe 18 runs in 7 innings has likely faced AT LEAST 3 pitchers and is likely facing a mop up pitcher whose only purpose in being on the mound is to eat up innings - not get outs.

No coach is going to put a valuable pitcher into a game when his team is behind by 10+ after 7 innings. What's the purpose of either the teams or the fans getting 2 more innings of batting practice for the winning team?

Suppose it's 16 - 4 after 7. Losing team is probably going to use the pitchers on the staff who aren't needed for the next 4 or 5 days. Those guys often have double-digit ERA's. After 9 it's likely to be 22 - 6 or something like that. Then fans out here will complain about running up the score.

[gosmsgo]

boy ISAIO you sure give shocker fans a bad name.

har de har de har har he he ......

I am really getting tired of hearing that from people with two posts who have no clue about the history of poop we throw on valleytalk.

[redbirdtim]

Sorry GoSMSGo,

I've seen some of the stuff you have spouted off, so I don't think the number of posts has anything to do with the quality of posts. We all banded together remember to keep this site going so we (you, me, everyone else here) could talk about our favorite teams and our conference.

As for the Mercy rule, I think it's a good idea. Yes, there will be a few situations where a team could score 10 runs in 2 innings to tie, but like others have said, it would be a very rare occurrence. Coaches aren't even going to want to throw their bottom of the barrel, end of the bench pitchers in a game like this. Kinda funny since a lot of those pitchers never throw here. It seems we throw our best guys or bring a fielder into pitch-hmmmm...

Anyways, for the most part, the run rule is a good idea. Think of it like the rain-out rule. I'm sure there are many games that teams could come back and win if not for the game called because of rain, but it is tough to sit there for 4-6 hours and wait for the delay to end and get the field ready.

[gosmsgo]

I personally donated money so I could hear about how fat our pitching coach is.

I also enjoy pointing out that wichita state is a crappy university in a really poor state.

[redbirdtim]

Well, in order for you to enjoy your free speech and spew off whatever, you have to listen to what others spew off and say. :valley:

[shocker3]

I personally donated money so I could hear about how fat our pitching coach is.

I also enjoy pointing out that wichita state is a crappy university in a really poor state.


Yes, and we all enjoy reading your posts too!:grin:

[iSASO]

Crap like this jewel from gosmsgo in 2004?

Gosmsgo – May 10, 2004 11:16pm –
“isaio....are you coming to the valley tournament??

after you see hammons field....you will know two things.

#1. the future of valley baseball is the bears.
#2. WSU will never again host anything when they are in competition with springfield/hammons field.”

Tell us, Mr. Big Mouth, why isn't MSU hosting the MVC Tourney this year...again? Why didn't they even submit a bid? What happened to that eternal string of NCAA Regional hosting?

[shocker3]

...he forgot to add that WSU will now beat MOst/SMS/SWOMO 15 times in a row.:valley: :shockers:

[gosmsgo]

we didnt apply this year because it wouldnt be fair. We already host the womens bb tourney 95% of the time. Do we really want to host every event in springfield?

For the good of the valley we let you have it in your craphole.

you should kiss our feet.




Crap like this jewel from gosmsgo in 2004?

Gosmsgo – May 10, 2004 11:16pm –
“isaio....are you coming to the valley tournament??

after you see hammons field....you will know two things.

#1. the future of valley baseball is the bears.
#2. WSU will never again host anything when they are in competition with springfield/hammons field.”

Tell us, Mr. Big Mouth, why isn't MSU hosting the MVC Tourney this year...again? Why didn't they even submit a bid? What happened to that eternal string of NCAA Regional hosting?

[shocker3]

we didnt apply this year because it wouldnt be fair. We already host the womens bb tourney 95% of the time. Do we really want to host every event in springfield?

For the good of the valley we let you have it in your craphole.

you should kiss our feet.


You obviously have never been to the ECK.

A "craphole" is where Most/sms/swomo used to play, it was also known as Maedor Park.

It was the worst baseball venue in the Valley.:valley: :shockers:

[WSUbballer]

we didnt apply this year because it wouldnt be fair. We already host the womens bb tourney 95% of the time. Do we really want to host every event in springfield?

Women's Basketball..
woo woo.

[JJClamdip]

It was the worst baseball venue in the Valley.

I will have to disagree with you on that point my good friend. The Creighton Sports Complex is much worse than Meador Park.

[WSUfan]

I was glad for the run rule tonight. I felt sorry for the Bradley pitcher; he couldn't throw a strike. The starting pitcher for BU raised his ERA a little bit; eight earned (?) runs given up in six innings.

[iSASO]

Apparently the Misery Mercy Run Rule can be applied to someone in the state of Illinois as well.

[shocker3]

I will have to disagree with you on that point my good friend. The Creighton Sports Complex is much worse than Meador Park.


I know that rubber field of theirs (baseballs look like superballs bouncing off that turf) is very strange, but at least the CU sports complex has an outfield fence that is more than 100 feet from home plate.:grin:

[JJClamdip]

[QUOTE][Meador Park
2500 S. Fremont Ave.
Springfield, MO 65804
417-864-1049



Hours: Please call for more information
Description: One 350-foot lighted baseball field; five 275-foot lighted softball fields; four lighted tennis courts and a swimming pool. Basketball, concessions, grills, picnic area, playground and rest rooms /QUOTE]

Much superior to the Creighton Sucks Complex. Better seating, you can actually see the game from your seat, it has trees around it and you don't have to worry about the gang element.