Baseball Bears fall to Jayhawks

[JJClamdip]

SWOMOSTU gives up 19 runs?

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

[Nyghtewynd]

I'm starting to think that Guttin is not the answer at MSU. It's one thing to hand a few wins to the short bus of the conference, but a loss to the Squawks is unacceptable. He's a lot like Hinson, only he has the CWS bid, and Hinson has...well...never mind.

[shocker3]

OUCH!! Who pitched tonight?

[iSASO]

Did Guttin bring his Sunday starter back for another 120 on Tuesday?

19 runs?

W-T-F? One of the few times I'm really pulling for the Bears to light someone up and they do this to me...

[outpost]

The Bears started a sophomore with the last name of Shafer......5 innings, 9 hits, 6 earned runs, 2 HR's, 1 BB, 0 K's. :no: :no: :no:

We're all members of the same conference. As good as I felt about us sweeping the Bears over the weekend, I feel equally as bad for them after last night's debacle. :bears:

That was MSU's only non-con game this week. Hope they can re-group for SIU this weekend. Forget about baseball for a couple of days, regroup, and come out re-charged against the Salukis. :bears:

[gosmsgo]

Dont worry about the bears. They are by far the best program in the valley.

Wins and losses arent everything. As far as I know Guttin has never ran off to another school, ripped missouri state, and then became confused and come back.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

76-71 and counting...

[iSASO]

Dont worry about the bears. They are by far the best program in the valley.

Wins and losses arent everything. As far as I know Guttin has never ran off to another school, ripped missouri state, and then became confused and come back.

You're right. They don't get confused and come back. They stay gone. Reference: Buzz Peterson.

[gosmsgo]

I dont think you can compare buzz's 12 hour stay as coach to gene who said he left to go to oklahoma because he could compete to win a national championship there. Then he came back to wichita where he cannot.

[iSASO]

But Buzz never found a good reason to come back, maybe because there isn't one?

So now you're stuck with BBQ Barry. He was the third or fourth choice for a reason. You settled.

[gosmsgo]

yeah buzz really set the world on fire didnt he??

I think it was a bust either way.

at least we have football.

[iSASO]

Wow. DII football smack.

[Nyghtewynd]

Better to be average than to give up.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Better to be average than to give up.

Bears chose the latter this weekend in Wichita. I guess facing such a storied program has that affect on them.

[Nyghtewynd]

I thought we were talking about football. You are aware that there is a sport called football, and many unversities play it?

[MikeKennedyRulz]

I thought we were talking about football. You are aware that there is a sport called football, and many unversities play it?

I would rather watch HS football than DII. I wouldn't exactly call it football. More like the Euro league of D-1.

[gosmsgo]

Its 1-AA

its different that D-II

quite a bit different actually.

[SiuCubFan8]

I would rather watch HS football than DII. I wouldn't exactly call it football. More like the Euro league of D-1.

I also would rather watch HS than DII.
But since MSU is DIAA(but not very good in it) it doesnt really matter does it.

[Ozell]

Better to be average than to give up.
Congrats, you were both last weekend.

[outpost]

I thought we were talking about football. You are aware that there is a sport called football, and many unversities play it?

Yeah, and they discuss it over on the Gateway Football forum. Well, most of the time, anyway.

Sometimes fans bring football up on baseball discussion forums simply because they don't have a good baseball program worth talking about.

[Nyghtewynd]

An OGU fan talking about off-topic posts. That's funny on so many levels.

[iSASO]

And, generally, these same posters don't realize they are only further embarrassing themselves by bringing up a sport in which they can never compete for the 'big boy' trophy.

To test this, I dare anyone to go to the Tennessee fan forum and run some smack about WSU beating them in the NCAA Tournament. Then when they smack you back, mention that you're actually a fan of a school that plays D1-AA football. Let me know what happens.

Actually, don't do that. I'd rather they not know some of WSU's conference-mates play football at "that level". I'd rather they just know about the program they recently went to battle against in NCAA baseball and basketball Regionals -- you know, on the quest for a 'big boy' trophy.

[Nyghtewynd]

I could also head off to the George Mason forums and talk about how OGU fan thinks they're so big-time that they think they don't have to bother with the schools that don't have D-I football. Besides, what sort of trophy do they give for the We-Don't-Bother-To-Compete-In-All-Of-The-Real-Sports-But-We-Think-Bowling's-Swell conference?

Even when OGU wins, they still lose. Especially in the gene pool.

[iSASO]

WSU fans always had respect for GMU, what are you babbling about?

Bowling = D1-AA football

[gosmsgo]

keep pretending that you dont wish you had football.

I can guarantee you that 95% of fans of d-1aa football schools are glad they have it.

sour grapes...

I would rather waste 750k a year on football than an unproven coach like turg.

[dawg_tired nemesis]

unproven?:lol:

[outpost]

http://images.sportsinfosystems.com/50/5/4557/8723.jpg <--- proven to consistently come up "short" in life :naughty: :naughty:

http://images.sportsinfosystems.com/50/5/4559/8719.jpg <--- proven cheeseburger expert :naughty: :naughty:

http://images.sportsinfosystems.com/50/1/76/5225.jpg <---- proven BBQ expert

http://images.sportsinfosystems.com/50/17/14827/8440.jpg <--- proven D1 football loser. :clap: :clap:

[gosmsgo]

Im not going to spend as much time as you did.

You certainly put alot of work into that post. To bad it wasnt more effective.

[iSASO]

keep pretending that you dont wish you had football.

I can guarantee you that 95% of fans of d-1aa football schools are glad they have it.

sour grapes...

I would rather waste 750k a year on football than an unproven coach like turg.

So, congrats, whatever you spend on small-time football is exactly what you are wasting.

[SiuCubFan8]

Great you don't like D1AA football.
What is the point of the argument?

[Nyghtewynd]

Bowling = D1-AA football

Ladies and gentlemen, the clueless myopia of OGU fan on full display. I couldn't have said it better.

The sad thing is that you probably believe that. Off to the lanes so you can pound your chili dog and non-filter and put on your wrist-thing and still call yourself an athlete.

[goshoxgo]

Ladies and gentlemen, the clueless myopia of OGU fan on full display. I couldn't have said it better.

The sad thing is that you probably believe that. Off to the lanes so you can pound your chili dog and non-filter and put on your wrist-thing and still call yourself an athlete.
I thought this topic was about the azz kicking MSU took from the Jayhawks? ............honestly WSU baseball program is a notch above MSU however you look at it (unless you want to look at 2003 all by itself). Nothing wrong with 1-AA football I watched some of the playoffs this year and found it enjoyable, where was MSU during those playoff games? No seriously Texas St. was very fun to watch this year, congrats on having a football team.

[redbirdtim]

Well, I was going to talk about the game and baseball...so hopefully this thread can head back to that.

GoSMSGo said, "They are by far the best program in the valley."...sorry man. You got swept by WSU...I don't think that qualifies you as the best team. Wichita St. is the front-running program. Until MSU wins a national title and finishes runner-up a few times, consistently wins the conference (once does not count), and consistently wins at-large bids, MSU is not the best team. CU is probably a better team than MSU is right now. WSU has won the last 4 tournament titles and Heck, we Redbirds have more national titles than you. We also have as many conference titles as you

[Mikovio]

Heck, we Redbirds have more national titles than you.
Uh, no you don't.

[iSASO]

Well, I was going to talk about the game and baseball...so hopefully this thread can head back to that.

GoSMSGo said, "They are by far the best program in the valley."...sorry man. You got swept by WSU...I don't think that qualifies you as the best team. Wichita St. is the front-running program. Until MSU wins a national title and finishes runner-up a few times, consistently wins the conference (once does not count), and consistently wins at-large bids, MSU is not the best team. CU is probably a better team than MSU is right now. WSU has won the last 4 tournament titles and Heck, we Redbirds have more national titles than you. We also have as many conference titles as you

CU is the better program right now than MSU, so that puts MSU third. BTW, you need to add hosting Regionals to your list of things MSU hasn't done and may never do at the current level of performance.

[Canevision]

Hasn't WSU actually won a college baseball national championship? I'm not aware if Oklahoma has ever done that.

[redbirdtim]

C'mon Mik,

Get your head out of your rear and head over to Redbird Field where you will see the 1969 NCAA Baseball Champions sign. When there were Academic and College Divisions of the NCAA, we were 31-5 and won the National Championship. Current head coach Jim Brownlee was a 3B on that team and we were led by Duffy Bass, who won many coaching awards that year including top coach in Illinois for all college sports.

Sorry we can't be like Bradley where nobody in the admin. cares about the program even though you all are doing well. Kenny K isn't going to pay attention to baseball though or pretty much most sports that aren't MBB.

[DaShox]

Better to be average than to give up.

Just for the record, WSU played football for 89 years. And when the MVC dropped D1 football as a conference sport in 1985, the only school which stayed D1 was WSU. Every single one of you tucked tail and ran to be I-AA.

Carry on.

[Nyghtewynd]

Just for the record, WSU played football for 89 years. And when the MVC dropped D1 football as a conference sport in 1985, the only school which stayed D1 was WSU. Every single one of you tucked tail and ran to be I-AA.

Carry on.

Until you gave up. Like I said. But you could install some outdoor bowling lanes instead. That'd be *almost* as good.

[WSUbballer]

Back to the topic:
So how many runs have the MSU hurlers given up in the last 4 games?
50? Ouch, that's a little unsettling. So much for that revived pitching staff. I guess the baseball program is setting you guys up just like the basketball one. Early expectatons, thriving conference championship hopes, dreams of national titles,.....down the drain at the halfway point. Some things never change..no matter what sport they come in.

[Mikovio]

C'mon Mik,

Get your head out of your rear and head over to Redbird Field where you will see the 1969 NCAA Baseball Champions sign. When there were Academic and College Divisions of the NCAA, we were 31-5 and won the National Championship. Current head coach Jim Brownlee was a 3B on that team and we were led by Duffy Bass, who won many coaching awards that year including top coach in Illinois for all college sports.

That's D-II. My belated congratulations on wresting the D-II title away from mighty Chapman College. Why don't you head on over to d2football.com's D-II baseball board to brag about it? I see it only has 3 threads, but don't let that discourage you. Let that Upper Iowa fan feel your wrath.

Seriously, does the sign really say "1969 NCAA Baseball Champions" with no further designation over at Redbird Field? Wow.

Wichita St. is the only Valley team with a national title. The Shockers, BU, CU, MSU and SIU are the only Valley teams that have ever made a College World Series. A D-I College World Series.

Sorry we can't be like Bradley where nobody in the admin. cares about the program even though you all are doing well. Kenny K isn't going to pay attention to baseball though or pretty much most sports that aren't MBB.
Oh please. ISU baseball isn't any better than Bradley's, and they play in a much crappier facility. When is the last time ISU had a 2.5 game lead on the conference midway through the season? When is the last time you even made the Valley Tournament?

I find it hard to believe that "nobody in the admin. cares about the program" considering that our baseball coach is a member of the administration.

See, at least Bradley fans can say they actually made the D-I College World Series (two, actually), instead of running around like ISU does touting a D-II title without mentioning it's D-II.

Yes, men's basketball is the focus of our athletic program, seeing how it has the most financial impact on the athletic department. Hey, maybe if ISU put more of an emphasis on men's basketball they wouldn't have the second-longest NCAA drought in the Valley.

From what I can tell, "Kenny K" cares about women's golf. Seems a lot of Redbirds took notice when we won our 4th title in 8 years a couple days ago. Soccer won the MVC and went to the NCAAs. Men's basketball made it to the Sweet 16 (Hey, when's the last time ISU made it to the Sweet 16? That's right, never.). Meanwhile, the Deadbirds men's basketball team has finished 10th more times the last 3 years than Bradley has in 50+ years in the Valley. Baseball is leading the Valley midway through the season. Women's basketball is down, I'll grant you, but to help out we're building them and volleyball a new arena next summer (so much for "not paying attention").

I wouldn't trade our success for all the track-and-field titles (or whatever titles ISU has been winning lately) in the world.:braves:

[redbirdtim]

Oh Mik,

See, your problem is that if you look on the trophy...the National Championship trophy, it does not say D2 National Champs. But if you use that Bradley education of yours, you will see that I said, "Get your head out of your rear and head over to Redbird Field where you will see the 1969 NCAA Baseball Champions sign. When there were Academic and College Divisions of the NCAA, we were 31-5 and won the National Championship."

I at no time said we were D1 National Champs. You disagreed that we have not won more national titles is baseball than SMS, and well, you're wrong. The "almighty" Bradley fan is wrong.

Let's count up the sports BU doesn't give a damn about-volleyball (where we have won many, many conference titles), track and field (we have a lot of nice trophies from that too), men's golf (we won the conference title last year), men's tennis (we're undefeated), women's tennis (we're how many time defending champs-an even better run than your female golfers because if you do remember, it was our women's golf team that had won the two previous years), football (oh wait, the Braves don't have a football team), and softball-I believe we have won like 7 conference titles in the last 10 years and took the series at your place this year, and women's basketball-we had fun in the NCAAs last year-when's the last time BU's women's team made the postseason?

If you look at how Bradley does in the All-Sports race-usually sucktacular-you'll realize their apathy towards sports that aren't Men's B-ball, men's soccer, or women's golf...wow, you care about 3 sports at your school.

Yes, BU has had some good success in men's basketball-most of it, besides the Sweet 16 run, not lately. When you can say, like us, that you have won 122 conference titles in 23 years in the league, then you can try to say how good your administration is.

Mik, you're trying to focus on a few sports that have had success. I give you credit on a great soccer team, but our women's golf team is pretty much equal to your the past couple years. Your baseball team is doing well in the conference this year, but pretty much otherwise stinks-like ours has. If Dewey Kalmer is part of the admin., PM me and I can tell you several things he needs to fight for on behalf of his team.

As for building a new arena, isn't that so men's b-ball can get out of the Civic Center. They have made the women's team play in that toilet so long.

As for our men's b-ball team finishing last in the Valley more times than you. Look at the records of our teams, since our team has joined the Valley, we have a better record against you. So that is comparing "D1 to D1" success. We put up the sports we have the same teams in, and I bet you the Redbirds take the series.

[SiuCubFan8]

Oh Mik,

See, your problem is that if you look on the trophy...the National Championship trophy, it does not say D2 National Champs. But if you use that Bradley education of yours, you will see that I said, "Get your head out of your rear and head over to Redbird Field where you will see the 1969 NCAA Baseball Champions sign. When there were Academic and College Divisions of the NCAA, we were 31-5 and won the National Championship."

I at no time said we were D1 National Champs. You disagreed that we have not won more national titles is baseball than SMS, and well, you're wrong. The "almighty" Bradley fan is wrong.

Let's count up the sports BU doesn't give a damn about-volleyball (where we have won many, many conference titles), track and field (we have a lot of nice trophies from that too), men's golf (we won the conference title last year), men's tennis (we're undefeated), women's tennis (we're how many time defending champs-an even better run than your female golfers because if you do remember, it was our women's golf team that had won the two previous years), football (oh wait, the Braves don't have a football team), and softball-I believe we have won like 7 conference titles in the last 10 years and took the series at your place this year, and women's basketball-we had fun in the NCAAs last year-when's the last time BU's women's team made the postseason?

If you look at how Bradley does in the All-Sports race-usually sucktacular-you'll realize their apathy towards sports that aren't Men's B-ball, men's soccer, or women's golf...wow, you care about 3 sports at your school.

Yes, BU has had some good success in men's basketball-most of it, besides the Sweet 16 run, not lately. When you can say, like us, that you have won 122 conference titles in 23 years in the league, then you can try to say how good your administration is.

Mik, you're trying to focus on a few sports that have had success. I give you credit on a great soccer team, but our women's golf team is pretty much equal to your the past couple years. Your baseball team is doing well in the conference this year, but pretty much otherwise stinks-like ours has. If Dewey Kalmer is part of the admin., PM me and I can tell you several things he needs to fight for on behalf of his team.

As for building a new arena, isn't that so men's b-ball can get out of the Civic Center. They have made the women's team play in that toilet so long.

As for our men's b-ball team finishing last in the Valley more times than you. Look at the records of our teams, since our team has joined the Valley, we have a better record against you. So that is comparing "D1 to D1" success. We put up the sports we have the same teams in, and I bet you the Redbirds take the series.

YES Brandley/ISU arguments are great!:braves: :redbirds:

[outpost]

Shhhh......let's keep quiet, lie low, and keep listening in on this. :original:

:braves: :banghead: :chair: :bash: :cursing: :banghead: :chair: :redbirds:

[iSASO]

I'm listening too. I'm waiting to hear more references to "WSU is the ONLY Valley school to win a D-1 National Championship"

"It's good to be The King"

[DoubleJayAlum]

:starwars:

Most enjoyable battle I've seen around here in some time. Let's sit back and enjoy :tv_happy:

:argue:

[Mikovio]

Oh Mik,

See, your problem is that if you look on the trophy...the National Championship trophy, it does not say D2 National Champs. But if you use that Bradley education of yours, you will see that I said, "Get your head out of your rear and head over to Redbird Field where you will see the 1969 NCAA Baseball Champions sign. When there were Academic and College Divisions of the NCAA, we were 31-5 and won the National Championship."

I at no time said we were D1 National Champs. You disagreed that we have not won more national titles is baseball than SMS, and well, you're wrong. The "almighty" Bradley fan is wrong.

It's admittedly JMO, but I think simply saying that you have "more national titles" than another school is a bit deceiving when: a. You only have one title, and b. That title happens to be at the D-II level, and you're posting on a D-I conference message board.

I could run around saying Bradley has 4 "national titles" in men's basketball in reference to the NIT, but that would be misleading, don't you think? Then again, the NIT at least is D-I and probably a lot more relevant to the Missouri Valley, so it would probably be more relevant.

Nobody cares about D-II baseball, and the fact that you have a banner celebrating a D-II title from the 60's that hides the fact it wasn't achieved at the game's highest level is pathetic, quite frankly.

Let's count up the sports BU doesn't give a damn about-volleyball (where we have won many, many conference titles), track and field (we have a lot of nice trophies from that too), men's golf (we won the conference title last year), men's tennis (we're undefeated), women's tennis (we're how many time defending champs-an even better run than your female golfers because if you do remember, it was our women's golf team that had won the two previous years),

We did have the MVC POY in volleyball, and the team didn't do that bad this year. That and women's basketball will get a shot in the arm from the $60 mil+ we're spending on the new arena and conditioning facilities.

BU does focus a lot more on the revenue-generating sports, as opposed to the non-revenue sports (as do the other private schools, with the minor exception of Drake). So we tend to be better in the sports more people care about.

football (oh wait, the Braves don't have a football team),

Your football team is pathetic, even for a D-IAA. When is the last time you made the playoffs? I think we can cope without bad small-time football.

women's basketball-we had fun in the NCAAs last year-when's the last time BU's women's team made the postseason?

Yeah, you finished 8th and got to host the postseason tournament. What a joke that was.

And you didn't have "fun." Your ladies got slaughtered 91-70 in the first round. If you want to see what it means to "have fun in the NCAAs," look no further than the Bradley men this year. First make a Sweet 16, then tell us what "fun" is.

If you look at how Bradley does in the All-Sports race-usually sucktacular-you'll realize their apathy towards sports that aren't Men's B-ball, men's soccer, or women's golf...wow, you care about 3 sports at your school.

Again, as a public school you should expect to contend for the All-Sports trophy. It weighs the men's basketball championship as much as it does the cross-country championship.

Mik, you're trying to focus on a few sports that have had success.

No, I'm trying to focus on the sports that people will pay money to watch. You're trying to focus on track-and-field and tennis, and I can't blame you.

Your baseball team is doing well in the conference this year, but pretty much otherwise stinks-like ours has. If Dewey Kalmer is part of the admin., PM me and I can tell you several things he needs to fight for on behalf of his team.

Why PM me?

Dewey's struggled in the past, but there's little to complain about at the moment.

As for building a new arena, isn't that so men's b-ball can get out of the Civic Center. They have made the women's team play in that toilet so long.

Men's basketball isn't moving anywhere, and it shouldn't.

There is more tradition in Robertson Field House than anything or anyone at ISU could ever hope to achieve. Oscar Robertson's Cincinnati teams were winless at Robertson (and in one of those meetings, they were ranked #1 in the nation). The Cincinnati Enquirer said it was the greatest place to watch college basketball in America. BU won 80% of its games there over more than a 30-year span. We just need something newer and flashier to show off to potential recruits.

As for our men's b-ball team finishing last in the Valley more times than you. Look at the records of our teams, since our team has joined the Valley, we have a better record against you.

Actually, no you don't.

Bradley leads the all-time series and the Valley series.

Oh, and I did get a kick out of you 'reporting' me for that last post, especially since you attacked our athletic department first. Just for that, I have a new addition to my signature.

:braves:

[shocker3]

Hey, this is better than the WSU-SMS, MOST posts.

[redbirdtim]

Oh Mik,

You seem to forget our football team that finished 7-4 last year. We crushed the #1 team in the nation at their place and then destroyed ranked UNI (who finished runner-up in I-AA) 38-3. One of our losses was to Iowa St. who was ranked in I-A at the time. We have slid since Berry left us after two playoff appearances and a #2 ranking (a trip to the national semi's). However, we finished the season ranked pretty high last year and return most of the core of our team. We will be ranked heading into the season too.

As for me, I'm a fan of all of our sports here, and most of our sports kick the crap out of Bradley. We try not to just focus on one sport and say "Hey, we are 'better' than you because we've had more history in one sport." I like to be a fan of the department as a whole and each team, not just BU MBB, Men's soccer, and Women's golf.

This past year (only in sports both teams compete...takes away football, women's soccer, swimming and diving, men's track, and men's soccer-the only sport BU has that we don't).
Women's Tennis sweeps BU 7-0
Men's Tennis sweeps BU 7-0.
Softball takes series from BU 2-1
Baseball lost series to BU 1-2
Women's Cross Country, we smoked Bradley in the places (although just finished above them in the standings)
Men's Cross Country finished two spots below Bradley but not that far off in placings
Women's track-we finished 2nd to BU's 8th.
Women's Golf-BU wins title, ISU finishes 2nd, ending our chance at a 3-peat. Individual wise, ISU and BU tie for medalist
Men's Golf-We are the defending champs with the defending medalist...BU...finished dead last. In addition, we had 4 golfers in the top 20 to BU's 1.
Men's Basketball-give it to Bradley, they outplayed us.
Women's Basketball-split season series, but ISU finished higher in the standings.

As we can all see, yes BU has been better in men's basketball and would probably kill us in men's soccer, that Illinois State has the better athletics program as a hole. We can point to our 122 conference championship trophies and all of our all-sports trophies since we have joined the conference.

As for our baseball title, we won it. I was responding to a point and said that we won a national title. I have no problem with a school winning the national title for the level of sports they are at. Who knows, maybe if we would have been at the D1 level with D1 funding that we would have won the overall title...who knows. We played the games we had to and won.

In addition, yes we play at an on campus facility. Much like you are doing upgrades for Robertson, we are planning on a new baseball facility on campus and football upgrades. We don't play in a minor league park like you do.

[SiuCubFan8]

Oh Mik,

You seem to forget our football team that finished 7-4 last year. We crushed the #1 team in the nation at their place and then destroyed ranked UNI (who finished runner-up in I-AA) 38-3. One of our losses was to Iowa St. who was ranked in I-A at the time. We have slid since Berry left us after two playoff appearances and a #2 ranking (a trip to the national semi's). However, we finished the season ranked pretty high last year and return most of the core of our team. We will be ranked heading into the season too.

As for me, I'm a fan of all of our sports here, and most of our sports kick the crap out of Bradley. We try not to just focus on one sport and say "Hey, we are 'better' than you because we've had more history in one sport." I like to be a fan of the department as a whole and each team, not just BU MBB, Men's soccer, and Women's golf.

This past year (only in sports both teams compete...takes away football, women's soccer, swimming and diving, men's track, and men's soccer-the only sport BU has that we don't).
Women's Tennis sweeps BU 7-0
Men's Tennis sweeps BU 7-0.
Softball takes series from BU 2-1
Baseball lost series to BU 1-2
Women's Cross Country, we smoked Bradley in the places (although just finished above them in the standings)
Men's Cross Country finished two spots below Bradley but not that far off in placings
Women's track-we finished 2nd to BU's 8th.
Women's Golf-BU wins title, ISU finishes 2nd, ending our chance at a 3-peat. Individual wise, ISU and BU tie for medalist
Men's Golf-We are the defending champs with the defending medalist...BU...finished dead last. In addition, we had 4 golfers in the top 20 to BU's 1.
Men's Basketball-give it to Bradley, they outplayed us.
Women's Basketball-split season series, but ISU finished higher in the standings.

As we can all see, yes BU has been better in men's basketball and would probably kill us in men's soccer, that Illinois State has the better athletics program as a hole. We can point to our 122 conference championship trophies and all of our all-sports trophies since we have joined the conference.

As for our baseball title, we won it. I was responding to a point and said that we won a national title. I have no problem with a school winning the national title for the level of sports they are at. Who knows, maybe if we would have been at the D1 level with D1 funding that we would have won the overall title...who knows. We played the games we had to and won.

In addition, yes we play at an on campus facility. Much like you are doing upgrades for Robertson, we are planning on a new baseball facility on campus and football upgrades. We don't play in a minor league park like you do.

I am just waiting for some "Your Momma Jokes"!:braves: :redbirds:

[redbirdtim]

Honestly,

I have congratulated BU on their success in golf and in the past for basketball and soccer. Unfortunately Mik is trying to take away from the successes of our past. Truth is we won a national title in baseball and that is a fact. :redbirds:

[Mikovio]

You seem to forget our football team that finished 7-4 last year. We crushed the #1 team in the nation at their place and then destroyed ranked UNI (who finished runner-up in I-AA) 38-3. One of our losses was to Iowa St. who was ranked in I-A at the time. We have slid since Berry left us after two playoff appearances and a #2 ranking (a trip to the national semi's). However, we finished the season ranked pretty high last year and return most of the core of our team. We will be ranked heading into the season too.

And how long has it been since you made the playoffs?


As for me, I'm a fan of all of our sports here, and most of our sports kick the crap out of Bradley. We try not to just focus on one sport and say "Hey, we are 'better' than you because we've had more history in one sport." I like to be a fan of the department as a whole and each team, not just BU MBB, Men's soccer, and Women's golf.

It's admirable that you are as captivated by the javelin and hammer throws as you are basketball games. Really, it is.

Unfortunately, "Kenny K" doesn't have the luxury of throwing millions of dollars into a black hole via the Olympic sports and D-II football. The programs that make money get the funding. If that means the top javelin throwers flock to ISU, so be it. I don't think I'm going to miss any sleep over that one.


As for our baseball title, we won it. I was responding to a point and said that we won a national title. I have no problem with a school winning the national title for the level of sports they are at. Who knows, maybe if we would have been at the D1 level with D1 funding that we would have won the overall title...who knows. We played the games we had to and won.

I'm not saying you didn't win it. The fact of the matter is that you were holding a D-II baseball title over somebody's head, and I thought that was pretty silly.


In addition, yes we play at an on campus facility. Much like you are doing upgrades for Robertson, we are planning on a new baseball facility on campus and football upgrades. We don't play in a minor league park like you do.

That's right, unfortunately you don't get to play in a multi-million dollar pro baseball park.

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Unfortunately Mik is trying to take away from the successes of our past. Truth is we won a national title in baseball and that is a fact.

I've taken nothing away from your D-II title. It is what it is - a D-II title. Your calling it a "national title" is deceptive, in that ISU is a D-I school that has been a member of a D-I conference for decades. Many people would be led to assume, therefore, that this title was won at the D-I level, which of course it was not....

[redbirdtim]

Mik,

Can you not get this through your thick head...WE-ISU-WON A NATIONAL TITLE The National Title that we won was in the College Division, the Division that we were in at the time. We did the best in the division we were in. I'm sorry that you have a problem with a true statement. We have been in the Missouri Valley Conference for approx. 23 years. That is not even 3 decades. But in our 23 years...we have 122 conference titles. I call that pretty darn good success.

I will say though that our athletic department does not take state or university funding. It is fully funded on its own. So if Bradley can't make money, with a lot less sports than ISU, that's there ineptitude.

As for being excited by all sports, yes I am. I like to support all of our supports and attend events for all sports. I'm not the type of fan that would say I'm a Bradley athletics fan but only supports the basketball team.

In football, we last made the playoffs in the 1998 and 1999 season, where we made the final 4. Now this football is I-AA football, which is different than D-II football. Too bad you and your BU education, if you did even go there, cannot figure that out.

Go to any I-AA football school, DII school, or DIII school who has won a national title though and tell them that it isn't a true national title. Watch them kick the crap out of you for being a moron.

[shocker3]

OBrien Field is a beautiful ball park. I love those Palm Trees.

Illinois St on the other hand, has NO stadium. It is kind of like watching a little league game. The field looks pretty nice though.:valley:

[Mikovio]

Mik,

Can you not get this through your thick head...WE-ISU-WON A NATIONAL TITLE The National Title that we won was in the College Division, the Division that we were in at the time. We did the best in the division we were in. I'm sorry that you have a problem with a true statement.

Yes, and that NATIONAL TITLE happens to be of the DIVISION II variety, and thus the very idea that you, as a fan of a D-I program, would mock another fan of a D-I program by saying you have "more national titles" than they do is ludicrous. If you love your D-II title so much why don't you move back there?

We have been in the Missouri Valley Conference for approx. 23 years. That is not even 3 decades. But in our 23 years...we have 122 conference titles. I call that pretty darn good success.

Congratulations on your success in sports that no one will pay to watch.

I will say though that our athletic department does not take state or university funding. It is fully funded on its own. So if Bradley can't make money, with a lot less sports than ISU, that's there ineptitude.

First of all, I'm pretty sure the ISU athletic department operates in far more red ink than Bradley does.

Second, the "fully funded on its own" argument can be sustained by simply shifting around funds. All it takes is for more private donations to ISU to be funnelled into the athletics department while the state takes care of the academic side. In other words, a thousand-dollar check given to ISU with no specific instructions is much more likely to be spent on athletics at ISU than it is at Bradley.

As for being excited by all sports, yes I am. I like to support all of our supports and attend events for all sports. I'm not the type of fan that would say I'm a Bradley athletics fan but only supports the basketball team.

Well, again you're one of a kind. The vast majority of the population is only willing to pay to watch basketball, football, baseball, soccer, and volleyball.

In football, we last made the playoffs in the 1998 and 1999 season, where we made the final 4.

Wow, that's a long time ago. Denver Johnson must be the Barry Hinson of the Gateway Conference.

Now this football is I-AA football, which is different than D-II football. Too bad you and your BU education, if you did even go there, cannot figure that out.

It's officially called that because it consists of D-I schools playing what would otherwise be D-II football. The fact remains that it's second-tier, and typing it as I did just saves me a keystroke.

Go to any I-AA football school, DII school, or DIII school who has won a national title though and tell them that it isn't a true national title. Watch them kick the crap out of you for being a moron.

I have no interest in making fun of a D-II fan for winning a D-II title. Good for them. It's the D-I fan crowing to another D-I fan about a D-II title that I find amusing....

[SiuCubFan8]

Yes, and that NATIONAL TITLE happens to be of the DIVISION II variety, and thus the very idea that you, as a fan of a D-I program, would mock another fan of a D-I program by saying you have "more national titles" than they do is ludicrous. If you love your D-II title so much why don't you move back there?



Congratulations on your success in sports that no one will pay to watch.



First of all, I'm pretty sure the ISU athletic department operates in far more red ink than Bradley does.

Second, the "fully funded on its own" argument can be sustained by simply shifting around funds. All it takes is for more private donations to ISU to be funnelled into the athletics department while the state takes care of the academic side. In other words, a thousand-dollar check given to ISU with no specific instructions is much more likely to be spent on athletics at ISU than it is at Bradley.



Well, again you're one of a kind. The vast majority of the population is only willing to pay to watch basketball, football, baseball, soccer, and volleyball.



Wow, that's a long time ago. Denver Johnson must be the Barry Hinson of the Gateway Conference.



It's officially called that because it consists of D-I schools playing what would otherwise be D-II football. The fact remains that it's second-tier, and typing it as I did just saves me a keystroke.



I have no interest in making fun of a D-II fan for winning a D-II title. Good for them. It's the D-I fan crowing to another D-I fan about a D-II title that I find amusing....


Just for future reference Mik DIAA is much much better than DII football. :doh:

[Mikovio]

Just for future reference Mik DIAA is much much better than DII football.
I'm sure it is, but that's beside the point. It's second-tier football that gets special designation because it involves D-I schools participating in what would otherwise be called D-II....

But fine, I promise not to refer to it as "D-II" anymore....

[SiuCubFan8]

I'm sure it is, but that's beside the point. It's second-tier football that gets special designation because it involves D-I schools participating in what would otherwise be called D-II....

But fine, I promise not to refer to it as "D-II" anymore....

Well you shouldn't refer to it as DII because that is not what it is called!

[gosmsgo]

I'm sure it is, but that's beside the point. It's second-tier football that gets special designation because it involves D-I schools participating in what would otherwise be called D-II....

But fine, I promise not to refer to it as "D-II" anymore....


I wonder what the record is between 1-aa football vs. d-11 football.

I am sure its about 95% wins for 1-AA. Of course sometimes you never know....look at siu losing to a d-2 school in basketball.

[Shox21]

God, I'm tired. I read this whole thread this morning (not in pieces like I usually have to do). That was quite a read. But it sure is entertaining to hear someone other than WSU being bashed. Keep going. I will tune in late this afternoon for the sequel.

[redbirdtim]

Technically Mik, we did not win a D-II national title. We won the College Division National Title. While that would not be considered D1 today, it was not D-II. I invite you to come look at the trophy when it is on display and look and see what it reads. Go tell Coach Brownlee how you don't respect his national title. If he wasn't a gentleman of the game, he'd whup you right there. I also respect Coach Kalmer; I have had some nice talks with him; however, I think it's a shame that the admin. there doesn't seem to care about his program.

I'm sorry you have such a problem supporting sports that aren't men's basketball. I have pride in all of our programs. I love watching our baseball team, I love watching our track team, I love watching our golf team. I love watching sports. Maybe they don't bring in 10,000 fans a game, but they succeed at what they do-and a lot more success than Bradley. I am a fan of all sports. Maybe I'm not a "Super Fan" for a particular sport like Mik who is in love with Bradley's basketball team, but I try my hardest to support all Redbird teams. As for the state giving us money, it is being cut every year. We just had a $96 million capital campaign to help us out. The state contributes less than 20% now I believe of our budget.

As for our baseball stadium, our coaching staff is working hardcore on getting that improved. Coach JB is the best fundraising coach I have seen and has a way with people. He sells over 1,200 season tickets per year. That's pretty darn good for the program. I have heard he even takes care of selling the signs because he's a great ambassador for the athletic dept.. Although you also have to give props to coaches Tim Brownlee and Seth Kenney for their work recruiting. We are getting some great guys in the system-usually start 4 freshmen. Next year, we will have Theisen back on the mound in addition to Kopach, Sajewich, and Berger. If Frega comes around, you're looking at a solid rotation for the Redbirds. Our fieldcrew deserves a great hand as they have won national awards for the best fields for both baseball and softball.

As for the national title part, if you weren't so dense, you'd realize that I was saying that MSU needs to have more success before they start saying they're the Kings of the Valley. I could easily say they've had as many CWS appearances as Indiana St.. You going to start ripping Indiana St. then. They are banking themselves on 1 conference title and 1 CWS appearance. WSU has been in the championship game several times, even winning it. They also seem to win an average of like 1.4 Valley championships a year-as they usually win the regular season or tourney, if not both.

[Mikovio]

Technically Mik, we did not win a D-II national title. We won the College Division National Title. While that would not be considered D1 today, it was not D-II. I invite you to come look at the trophy when it is on display and look and see what it reads. Go tell Coach Brownlee how you don't respect his national title. If he wasn't a gentleman of the game, he'd whup you right there. I also respect Coach Kalmer; I have had some nice talks with him; however, I think it's a shame that the admin. there doesn't seem to care about his program.

I can't believe you're even arguing this point. The "College Division" (in contrast with the "University Division") was renamed D-II in the '70s.

Sports almanacs don't even bother making this distinction you insist upon. You're listed as "D-II." EVEN YOUR OWN ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT REFERS TO YOUR 1969 TEAM AS "Division II"!

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And I could really care less about the emotional instability of your baseball coach.

As for our baseball stadium, our coaching staff is working hardcore on getting that improved. Coach JB is the best fundraising coach I have seen and has a way with people.

Seriously, that's good to hear. What do these "improvements" entail and what sort of timetable can you give us?

Our fieldcrew deserves a great hand as they have won national awards for the best fields for both baseball and softball.

At least those awards aren't D-II.

As for the national title part, if you weren't so dense, you'd realize that I was saying that MSU needs to have more success before they start saying they're the Kings of the Valley.

And so, following your logic, MSU needs to win a D-II (sorry, "College Division") title before they can build an argument for being "Kings of the Valley"? Why do you need a D-II title as a prerequisite for becoming "Kings of the Valley"? WHY SHOULD MSU (a D-I school) ASPIRE TO BECOME D-II CHAMPIONS???

You're nonsense.

I could easily say they've had as many CWS appearances as Indiana St.. You going to start ripping Indiana St. then.

No I wouldn't. CWS appearances would be relevant, since we are all fans of D-I programs that aspire to achieve as much at the D-I level....

[shocker3]

And the rivalry continues....:valley:

[redbirdtim]

We succeeded in the division we were in...the College division. MSU needs to have success in the conference and division they are in to be able to say they are the Kings of the Valley. You like to try and twist my words, but I'm not going to let you. When I said success, any reasonable person would know what I meant, although I don't think I can call you reasonable.

And as for calling our coach emotionally unstable?...personal attacks, let us not be jerks here. That'd be like me calling POB a money-grubbing weasel who is unethical...let's not resort to that.

As for the stadium improvements, it's one of our top fundraising initiatives. I have heard we might do some pressbox remodeling to start...sorely needed before we do the traditional college wrap around from dug-out to dug-out stadium.

But one thing...so you're saying that if Bradley was DII or DIII that there national titles would not be relavant? Are you saying that any of those schools that win national titles aren't relavant? I can't fault the success we had in the college division.

[Mikovio]

And as for calling our coach emotionally unstable?...personal attacks, let us not be jerks here. That'd be like me calling POB a money-grubbing weasel who is unethical...let's not resort to that.

Are you kidding me? You've called me about 5 different names. And you're the one insinuating that your coach might have difficulty handling criticism.

All I've done is call you "nonsense," which you clearly are.

As for the stadium improvements, it's one of our top fundraising initiatives. I have heard we might do some pressbox remodeling to start...sorely needed before we do the traditional college wrap around from dug-out to dug-out stadium.

Pressbox remodeling?! And to think, I was seriously prepared to compliment you guys on something. But alas....

But one thing...so you're saying that if Bradley was DII or DIII that there national titles would not be relavant?

YES!!!

Are you saying that any of those schools that win national titles aren't relavant? I can't fault the success we had in the college division.

I'm saying they're relevant to their own divisions.

Look, I respect ISU's 1969 D-II baseball title just as much as I respect Chapman College's 1968 D-II baseball title, Cal State-Northridge's 1970 D-II baseball title, Florida Southern College's 1971 D-II baseball title, and so on. And if any of their fans come on here and try the same, "At least we have more national titles" spiel you did I'll find it just as amusing....

[shocker3]

BU vs. ILS the series.:valley: