2006-2007 Schedule Talk

[MikeKennedyRulz]

It may be a little early, but part of the Shox schedule was laid out in an article in the paper this morning.

Las Vegas Tourney:

-Two games at home against probably 200+ RPI teams.
-Combination of K-State, New Mexico, and USC in Vegas.

Rest of Schedule:

-at George Mason
-Chicago State at Koch
-UMKC at Koch
-Bracket Buster game, Turgeon says hopefully at Koch.

The rest is TBD.

[SiuCubFan8]

Good Luck with that Chicago State game!:grin:

[DawgieStyle]

yah and that umkc one too....oooo...toughy.

[Shox21]

But then there is K-State and USC. K-State is getting really scary with Huggins' signees and USC will probably be in the top 25 sometime during the year. How about your pre-season. What power games have you got on line?

[DawgieStyle]

im not sure if siu has released any of their schedule yet, ill check on it.

[DawgieStyle]

i believe indiana is on there, that is about the only one i can confirm

[SiuCubFan8]

But then there is K-State and USC. K-State is getting really scary with Huggins' signees and USC will probably be in the top 25 sometime during the year. How about your pre-season. What power games have you got on line?

I was just bustin balls. I know every program has there cupcakes. Looks pretty good as a whole. It does lack two real big guys like last year.

[SiuCubFan8]

Siu has
Western Kentucky
Indiana
Murray State
SLU(loosers)
La Tech
Central Mich? (I hope not)

[shockerfan13]

I was just bustin balls. I know every program has there cupcakes. Looks pretty good as a whole. It does lack two real big guys like last year.


Hopefully those are yet to come.

[SiuCubFan8]

Hopefully those are yet to come.

I hope so. It only helps the conference as a whole.
I wish SIU would just go and play a few 1 and dones with some big programs. But our coach is complelty against it. The only reason we got a 1 and 1 with IU is cause of football.

[shockerfan13]

I hope so. It only helps the conference as a whole.
I wish SIU would just go and play a few 1 and dones with some big programs. But our coach is complelty against it. The only reason we got a 1 and 1 with IU is cause of football.


Ours pretty much against it also. Last year with Michigan State was a little different because it was "neutral" and nationally televised. Illinois we got to play because of the tournament. So unless it's something like those 2 situations, I would not expect any of the more elite BCS teams to be on our schedule this year. I am hoping for some GOOD BCS teams though....just have to wait and see. If that happens I expect it will be a while before it is done.

[SiuCubFan8]

I better see Maryland on someone's schedule!:valley:

[DoubleJayAlum]

Creighton has the following non-conference:

George Mason (at the Q)
Nebraska (in Lincoln)
Xavier (can't remember if its in Omaha or Cincy)
at Fresno St

Dayton may also be on the schedule (I can't remember for sure)

CU starts at the Hawaii shootout or whatever they are calling that thing now. Unfortunately the field seems to be getting weaker and weaker. CU was originally of the understanding that Georgia and Michigan were going to be in the field, but that may not be the case after all.

I expect a couple of buy games to be added before the schedule is finalized.

[BornShocker]

Creighton has the following non-conference:

George Mason (at the Q)
Nebraska (in Lincoln)
Xavier (can't remember if its in Omaha or Cincy)
at Fresno St

Dayton may also be on the schedule (I can't remember for sure)

CU starts at the Hawaii shootout or whatever they are calling that thing now. Unfortunately the field seems to be getting weaker and weaker. CU was originally of the understanding that Georgia and Michigan were going to be in the field, but that may not be the case after all.

I expect a couple of buy games to be added before the schedule is finalized.
Do you happen to know of other teams scheduled in the "Hawaii shootout" as of now?
If all else fails you can always sneak your way over to Chaminade's gym. I am sure there will be some nice competition there. :grin:

[azbirdfan]

So far I believe we have

Home
Cincinnati
Cal State Northridge
Miami (Ohio)
Bracket Buster (if the Valley stays in)

Road
St. Johns
Western Michigan

[Shox21]

It does lack two real big guys like last year.

There was no offense taken and you are right about the cupcakes and hte lack of big guys. But K-State just might surprise you. They have a lot of talent returning. It's gonna be interesting to see how the new Huggins kids fit it. I would have liked a rematch with Illinois. Might get our butts beat, but it sure would be fun.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Creighton has the following non-conference:

George Mason (at the Q)
Nebraska (in Lincoln)
Xavier (can't remember if its in Omaha or Cincy)
at Fresno St

Dayton may also be on the schedule (I can't remember for sure)

CU starts at the Hawaii shootout or whatever they are calling that thing now. Unfortunately the field seems to be getting weaker and weaker. CU was originally of the understanding that Georgia and Michigan were going to be in the field, but that may not be the case after all.

I expect a couple of buy games to be added before the schedule is finalized.

I forgot to mention the bracket buster game at home, assuming the MVC and CU participates (Dana & AD Bruce Rasmussen hate this thing, so we'll have to wait and see).

[LincolnJay]

CU's schedule is as set forth above except we DO have a road game at Dayton and the Bracket Buster {Barf} which is again a home game.

Rainbow Classic is:

Slated to join UHawaii in the 43rd annual tournament are Houston, Valparaiso, Nebraska, Creighton, San Francisco, Charlotte and Wyoming.

Now none of these teams suck in the grand scheme of things but they are all teams CU could get home and homes with so there is some disaapointment at the CU board.

HOME
George Mason
Xavier
Bracket Buster
2 cupcakes to be named later

AWAY
3 games in Hawaii
Fresno State
Dayton
Nebraska

There is also a rumor of a national road game at Villanova brought to you by ESPN but this is conjecture at this point. If true, we would be down to one cupcake and only 4 non-con home games. This seems unlikely when you sell 12,000 to 15,000 tickets for home games.

[BornShocker]

CU's schedule is as set forth above except we DO have a road game at Dayton and the Bracket Buster {Barf} which is again a home game.

Rainbow Classic is:

Slated to join UHawaii in the 43rd annual tournament are Houston, Valparaiso, Nebraska, Creighton, San Francisco, Charlotte and Wyoming.

Now none of these teams suck in the grand scheme of things but they are all teams CU could get home and homes with so there is some disaapointment at the CU board.

HOME
George Mason
Xavier
Bracket Buster
2 cupcakes to be named later

AWAY
3 games in Hawaii
Fresno State
Dayton
Nebraska

There is also a rumor of a national road game at Villanova brought to you by ESPN but this is conjecture at this point. If true, we would be down to one cupcake and only 4 non-con home games. This seems unlikely when you sell 12,000 to 15,000 tickets for home games.

The Rainbow Classic field is not bad at all. No show-stoppers but defintiely not any teams you look at and take part in the actions of this smiley. :no:

[SiuCubFan8]

The Rainbow Classic field is not bad at all. No show-stoppers but defintiely not any teams you look at and take part in the actions of this smiley. :no:

What do you mean teams like Monmouth and UAA.:banghead:
I can joke about it now since the season is over and we got into the NCAA for the 5 straight time.:yes:

[outpost]

Bracket Buster (if the Valley stays in)

I suppose we oughtta continue with this for at least the foreseeable future.

Reasons -
1) Didn't perform up to expectations last year, at least not among the league leaders.
3) A good showing can help further enhance the league's emerging status, and hopefully help it shed its tag as "just another mid-major conference."
2) It always helps fill the scheduling void that is unintentionally intentionally avoided by folks like Tom Penders and Gary (sad-sack) Williams.

[ISU87]

ISU plays at Indiana, and hosts Western Michigan at least.

Usually almost always play Ball State (away in 2006), Butler (home in 2006), and possibly IPFW again (god forbid should we lose that one again)

:sycamores:

[Mikovio]

Bradley's committed games that I know of are as follows....

Home
DePaul
Loyola
Southern Miss

Road
Tennessee Tech

I wouldn't be surprised if the Butler series was renewed (again). And I'd heard BU might be involved with one of the Las Vegas tournaments.

I think the rest of the schedule will be affected by POB's decision as to whether or not he will return....

[bcrawf]

UNI has...

Home-
Iowa State (Dome)
UW Milwaukee
UMKC
Looks like we will take a road game for Bracket Busters

Away-
Bucknell
Loyola Chicago (Scary)
Iowa

Three more to be added- probably no preseason tournament this year, but if the Preseason NIT comes calling (which I have heard rumored) I think we would pick up the phone.:panthers:

[pawball]

But then there is K-State and USC. K-State is getting really scary with Huggins' signees and USC will probably be in the top 25 sometime during the year. How about your pre-season. What power games have you got on line?

What makes you think USC will be a top 25 team next year? Nothing standoutish about them last year, they circled around the #100 mark all year in about any kind of rating you'd want to look at.

[Phantom]

I'll add a bit to what AZ said earlier...

Home Games:

Cincinatti (hopefully they dont buy this one out)
Miami (Ohio)
Cal St. Northridge
Bracket Buster (at home for the next 2 years, assuming the MVC stays in it).

Road Games:

St. Johns
W. Michigan

There was/is also some talk of us getting into one of the exempt tourneys, just not sure which. Plus, I believe we are still trying to add DePaul and/or Northwestern. Depending on what tourney we get into, we have a pretty decent schedule IMO.

[jt45]

Wow, CU and UNI's schedules are shaping up nicely. This could be another year of strong RPI's for The Valley, as if that means anything.

[MSNSaluki]

With the team SIU has coming back, if Lowery doesn't go out and schedule a BCS team or two to fill our open spots he has no hair on his balls. We'll worry about the lack of home games next year.
I am stunned and very annoyed with this Central Michigan contract.

[GoPurpleAces]

I have heard UE will play USI again this year. Has anyone heard about other Aces opponents?

[outpost]

Yeah, I'm not looking for the Trojans to be in the Top 25 either.

The one good thing that this presents is an opportunity for the MVC to beat a team from the PAC-10.

[UWMPantherholic]

Road
Tennessee Tech

these guys might be tough, when we played them last year, they had a home record of 77-5 or something close to that and we played like a bunch of idiots b/c Jeter was still trying to install a new system.

[Coasterbill42]

HOME:
-2 South Padre Games
-2 Price Cutter Classic Games (1 150-200 RPI team, 1 200-250 RPI team)
-Wisconsin-Milwaukee
-Bracket Buster

NEUTRAL: 2 South Padre Games ( Big 10/Big East school and one against a 100-150 RPI team)

ROAD:
-SLU
-Arkansas
-South Florida
-(???) Kentucky

[E-Ville]

I have heard UE will play USI again this year. Has anyone heard about other Aces opponents?

So far all I know would be, Tenn-Martin (Away), W. Kentucky (Home)

I would imagine Evansville will have one of the easier MVC Non-Conference schedules because Merfeld desperately needs wins. I would look for some of the usual suspects like E. Illinois, W. Illinois, Austin Peay. It'd be nice to continue the Purdue rivalry.

[Shox21]

What makes you think USC will be a top 25 team next year? Nothing standoutish about them last year, they circled around the #100 mark all year in about any kind of rating you'd want to look at.

Sorry for the delay in responding - I've been out of town. The quote is:

"• USC: Don't be surprised to see Tim Floyd get this squad in
the Top 25 at some point next season."

and you can find it at:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2397715

[Dawgbit]

HOME:
-2 South Padre Games
-2 Price Cutter Classic Games (1 150-200 RPI team, 1 200-250 RPI team)
-Wisconsin-Milwaukee
-Bracket Buster

NEUTRAL: 2 South Padre Games ( Big 10/Big East school and one against a 100-150 RPI team)

ROAD:
-SLU
-Arkansas
-South Florida
-(???) Kentucky

Sorry dude, that thing looks like crap!

[MSNSaluki]

Sorry for the delay in responding - I've been out of town. The quote is:

"• USC: Don't be surprised to see Tim Floyd get this squad in
the Top 25 at some point next season."

and you can find it at:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2397715

not trying to be cruel, but the trojans now have a big and unexpected hole at point guard since their starter was shot and killed over the weekend. ryan francis was his name.

[Rasputin]

Yeah, no way USC will be a top 25 team next year. I like Tim Floyd a lot (as a college coach) but it will take some time to turn that mess around, the loss of their PG only adds trouble to a troubled program.

[barkeep1967]

Surprised there is no mention of SIU playing in the ESPN Disney tourney yet.

WVU.MInnisota,Arkansas are just a few of the rumoured teams that are invited.

Also didn't Bradley get an Invite to the new Illinois tournament?

[bcg]

Also didn't Bradley get an Invite to the new Illinois tournament?

Nothing official has been announced yet. There's even some questions on the completion date of the Sears Centre. The guy that is putting it together has dealt with BU before and had success (he made money), so everyone seems optimistic.

BU also has the game in Des Moines on Saturday, December 16. It might be my first trip there.

It is looking like a good schedule, now all BU needs is a good team.

[MSNSaluki]

Nothing official has been announced yet. There's even some questions on the completion date of the Sears Centre. The guy that is putting it together has dealt with BU before and had success (he made money), so everyone seems optimistic.

BU also has the game in Des Moines on Saturday, December 16. It might be my first trip there.

It is looking like a good schedule, now all BU needs is a good team.

the dude that's putting it together is named Chris Spencer. he owns some outfit out of Cincinnati that runs these tournaments. the thing will come together because he treated weber and siu right during the Sweet 16 season(brought them to vegas, they beat Iowa State and lost by 3 to illinois) and weber likes the guy a lot.

so, he's gonna get a ton of cooperation from weber, which means if bradley is on the invite list, you can just about bet on this thing happening.

[bcg]

Illinois also went out there two years ago. The LV gym was all orange against Cincinnati.

[Shox21]

not trying to be cruel, but the trojans now have a big and unexpected hole at point guard since their starter was shot and killed over the weekend. ryan francis was his name.

My comment about USC was made several weeks before any of this happened and I was responding to what made me think they could possibly be a top 25 team. Hence my response. Since I have been on vacation and a little out of touch, I was not aware of this tragic happening. Even saddened as they are, I am sure USC will bounce back -- how far and how quickly is anyone's guess.

[MSNSaluki]

My comment about USC was made several weeks before any of this happened and I was responding to what made me think they could possibly be a top 25 team. Hence my response. Since I have been on vacation and a little out of touch, I was not aware of this tragic happening. Even saddened as they are, I am sure USC will bounce back -- how far and how quickly is anyone's guess.

I wasn't hating, my man, or trying to stir trouble.
I agreed with the thought USC might be a Top 25 team two or three weeks ago, too, but when something tragic like this happens who knows what will happen to that team and program?
Hope you went somewhere cool for vacation.

[Shox21]

I wasn't hating, my man, or trying to stir trouble.
I agreed with the thought USC might be a Top 25 team two or three weeks ago, too, but when something tragic like this happens who knows what will happen to that team and program?
Hope you went somewhere cool for vacation.

I didn't take offense by your comment at all, in fact, was appreciative of it since I hadn't heard about the death. Went to VEGAS. Had a great time and actually came back with every dime I took. I even brought back $3.00 of their money (whoo, whoo!!!). Didn't skimp on the gambling either. Won a nice 4 figure pot second day out and enjoyed the rest of my time on their dime.

[SiuCubFan8]

I didn't take offense by your comment at all, in fact, was appreciative of it since I hadn't heard about the death. Went to VEGAS. Had a great time and actually came back with every dime I took. I even brought back $3.00 of their money (whoo, whoo!!!). Didn't skimp on the gambling either. Won a nice 4 figure pot second day out and enjoyed the rest of my time on their dime.

Good for you, always enjoy a good story of beating "The Man" in Vegas!

[UE-BBALL#1]

McGillis hopes to finalize the Aces' 2006-07 schedule in a week or so, and hopes it will include a road game with a big-name opponent, possibly Kentucky, Louisville, Notre Dame or Northwestern.

McGillis confirmed the Aces will host a four-team tournament at Roberts Stadium in November. Three of the teams will be UE and probably the University of Buffalo and Cleveland State. Last season, the Aces were 10-19, Buffalo 19-13 and Cleveland State 10-18.

McGillis said the tourney is tentatively scheduled for Nov. 10-12 or 17-19.

http://www.courierpress.com/ecp/college_sports/article/0,1626,ECP_752_4707588,00.html

[MSNSaluki]

I didn't take offense by your comment at all, in fact, was appreciative of it since I hadn't heard about the death. Went to VEGAS. Had a great time and actually came back with every dime I took. I even brought back $3.00 of their money (whoo, whoo!!!). Didn't skimp on the gambling either. Won a nice 4 figure pot second day out and enjoyed the rest of my time on their dime.

just booked for a late july trip there myself.
i'd be thrilled to mirror your trip. if you go out there and break even, you've actually won money.
went twice last year ... got killed once, brought home a nice take the second time. still down for this lifetime.:yes:

[E-Ville]

UE's schedule is shaping up like this. Some of these games, I'm guessing at because we seem to play these teams every year, but here it goes.

Evansville Invitational Tournament (2)
Cleveland St. & Buffalo

Wright St.
W. Kentucky
E. Illinois
W. Illinois
Austin Peay
Tenn-Martin
Kentucky or Louisville or Notre Dame or Northwestern
Squash Game against a weak conference opponent
Bracket-Buster Game

[UE-BBALL#1]

I think either Western or Eastern Illinois may be off the schedule. I think I remember hearing that last year but I'm not positive. Also, according to Western Kentucky fans they aren't playing us this year. We apparently cheat too much.

[E-Ville]

What? No, Western Kentucky. That sucks! That's one of our biggest rivalries and we would've had them at home this year. It would've looked nice on our resume with a win.

To all the non-believers: The Aces will go 8-2 pre-conference and bracket-buster. Mark my Word!!! :aces: :aces: :aces:

[redbirdtim]

With a schedule like that, any Valley team should go at least 8-2. UT-Martin blows, Western and Eastern are no contests for Valley schools, etc..

[E-Villan]

I don't think the schedule will quite look like that. The only thing I have seen to confirm anything is the invitational and possibly adding Wright State since new HC Brad Brownell is from E'ville.

I agree with Redbird, that schedule would blow. Way too many OVC teams that nobody around here cares about. If we want a regional OVC team with interest, get Murray State instead of these.

We really need to get some old rivals back in here like Xavier and especially Butler. I know Licklitter or whatever his name is got his feelings hurt by Merfeld, so one of the oldest rivalries for both schools is no more. What a crybaby. Speaking of crybabies, I really could care less if Western Ky is on the schedule or not.

[bootycall69]

Here's the lineup for the SIU tournament that was mentioned above:

ESPNU Classic--Nov 23, 24, 26 at Orlando Wide World of Sports Complex
SIU
Western Michigan
Arkansas
Marist
Minnesota
Montana
Virginia Tech
West Virginia

[MSNSaluki]

Here's the lineup for the SIU tournament that was mentioned above:

ESPNU Classic--Nov 23, 24, 26 at Orlando Wide World of Sports Complex
SIU
Western Michigan
Arkansas
Marist
Minnesota
Montana
Virginia Tech
West Virginia

it'll be interesting how siu is "seeded" in this thing.
you can make a pretty good case that siu is the second-best team in this event (behind arkansas) and should play marist or western michigan in the first round but i suspect they'll get the bcs shaft.

[E-Ville]

Yeah, my hypothetical schedule looks weak at points, but Evansville and Merfeld Need Wins very badly to lure in-coming high school athletes. They have to know this program is serious about going somewhere and an increase from 10 wins to, say, 16-17 wins will get us there. Trust me the RPI will still be there, with 18 games in an improved Valley even from last year, how could it not be? Throw in a road game against the likes of Kentucky, Louisville, or Notre Dame. A team the caliber of Western Kentucky. Buffalo even had 19 wins last year, maybe they'll throw in another tough team in the Evansville Invitational. It really doesn't look that bad compared with what our goals need to be.

If we can't have Western Kentucky, I would love to see us play Butler, or Xavier, or Dayton. I grew up watching those rivalries. Murray State would also be a cool local rivalry

I think we have to play Tenn-Martin on the road as a Bracket Buster return game.

Adding too many BCS teams or top teams from high mid-majors would be suicide to our win total and thus would further hurt next years all-important recruiting class.

How about this

Kentucky or Louisville or Notre Dame or Northwestern
Conference USA game
W. Kentucky or Butler or Xavier or Dayton
Tournament against Cleveland St & Winner of Buffalo and another good team
Wright St.
2 OVC Games (Tenn-Martin & Austin Peay)
W. Illinois
Squash Game
Bracket-Buster Game

[BlueDude]

I'm not aware of this being mentioned before...apologize if so.

Anybody notice that the highly acclaimed (Final Four) George Mason squad plays the MVC "west"'s top two teams? The Masons vs. WheatShockers & Jays (AKA "a Podunk U." that doesn't own their own arena[its also quiet], does not have the best or highest paid coach, or didn't go to a Sweet 16 U.)

It will be interesting to see how the Wheat will fair w/o Miller Time on the road against a team that out scrapped the Wheat in the tourney (no the Jays didn't make the real tourney, they suck).

It will be interesting to see how the Jays will respond to playing the CAA bad-asses in the Quiet Center as opposed to playing at GM and beating them by twenty. Maybe the Creighton Renters can squeak one out?

Just food for thought...

[MikeKennedyRulz]

I'm not aware of this being mentioned before...apologize if so.

Anybody notice that the highly acclaimed (Final Four) George Mason squad plays the MVC "west"'s top two teams? The Masons vs. WheatShockers & Jays (AKA "a Podunk U." that doesn't own their own arena[its also quiet], does not have the best or highest paid coach, or didn't go to a Sweet 16 U.)

It will be interesting to see how the Wheat will fair w/o Miller Time on the road against a team that out scrapped the Wheat in the tourney (no the Jays didn't make the real tourney, they suck).

It will be interesting to see how the Jays will respond to playing the CAA bad-asses in the Quiet Center as opposed to playing at GM and beating them by twenty. Maybe the Creighton Renters can squeak one out?

Just food for thought...

As long as the BJ's don't have to play Chatanooga they'll be alright. :innocent:

[WuDrWu]

Or Illinois State, or the U at the Qwiet.

[WSUfan]

Yeah, my hypothetical schedule looks weak at points, but Evansville and Merfeld Need Wins very badly to lure in-coming high school athletes. They have to know this program is serious about going somewhere and an increase from 10 wins to, say, 16-17 wins will get us there. Trust me the RPI will still be there, with 18 games in an improved Valley even from last year, how could it not be? Throw in a road game against the likes of Kentucky, Louisville, or Notre Dame. A team the caliber of Western Kentucky. Buffalo even had 19 wins last year, maybe they'll throw in another tough team in the Evansville Invitational. It really doesn't look that bad compared with what our goals need to be.

If we can't have Western Kentucky, I would love to see us play Butler, or Xavier, or Dayton. I grew up watching those rivalries. Murray State would also be a cool local rivalry

I think we have to play Tenn-Martin on the road as a Bracket Buster return game.

Adding too many BCS teams or top teams from high mid-majors would be suicide to our win total and thus would further hurt next years all-important recruiting class.

How about this

Kentucky or Louisville or Notre Dame or Northwestern
Conference USA game
W. Kentucky or Butler or Xavier or Dayton
Tournament against Cleveland St & Winner of Buffalo and another good team
Wright St.
2 OVC Games (Tenn-Martin & Austin Peay)
W. Illinois
Squash Game
Bracket-Buster Game

The issue is not "can the MVC help improve UE's RPI", it is "can UE help improve the MVC's RPI." So far, the answer seems to be "no".

[barkeep1967]

possibly Kentucky, Louisville, Notre Dame or Northwestern.


Hehe I am guessing you mean a game against a big name oppomemt or a fall back game against Northwestern.:original:

[galojay]

So far all I know would be, Tenn-Martin (Away), W. Kentucky (Home)

I would imagine Evansville will have one of the easier MVC Non-Conference schedules because Merfeld desperately needs wins. I would look for some of the usual suspects like E. Illinois, W. Illinois, Austin Peay. It'd be nice to continue the Purdue rivalry.

No WKU on Evansville schedule. Series was not renewed. WKU did add Southern Illinois though.

[IAJay]

As far as USC goes, one of there stud guards is out for the first semester also I think, its either Pruitt or Young. Thats on top of losing the pg.

[MVFAN]

Yeah, my hypothetical schedule looks weak at points, but Evansville and Merfeld Need Wins very badly to lure in-coming high school athletes. They have to know this program is serious about going somewhere and an increase from 10 wins to, say, 16-17 wins will get us there. Trust me the RPI will still be there, with 18 games in an improved Valley even from last year, how could it not be? Throw in a road game against the likes of Kentucky, Louisville, or Notre Dame. A team the caliber of Western Kentucky. Buffalo even had 19 wins last year, maybe they'll throw in another tough team in the Evansville Invitational. It really doesn't look that bad compared with what our goals need to be.

If we can't have Western Kentucky, I would love to see us play Butler, or Xavier, or Dayton. I grew up watching those rivalries. Murray State would also be a cool local rivalry

I think we have to play Tenn-Martin on the road as a Bracket Buster return game.

Adding too many BCS teams or top teams from high mid-majors would be suicide to our win total and thus would further hurt next years all-important recruiting class.

How about this

Kentucky or Louisville or Notre Dame or Northwestern
Conference USA game
W. Kentucky or Butler or Xavier or Dayton
Tournament against Cleveland St & Winner of Buffalo and another good team
Wright St.
2 OVC Games (Tenn-Martin & Austin Peay)
W. Illinois
Squash Game
Bracket-Buster Game


The word on the street is Butler is on the schedule for Dec. 22nd at Butler.

[Sir_ShoxAlot]

Okay, this is SeanTheShocker, that screenname won't work, so here's my new one. Alright, here's my post.

Aaahhh, man! Chicago St.!? What was Turgeon thinking when he scheduled that? RPI killer for sure.

Man, that kinda sounded like a play rehearsal, huh?:shockers: :valley:

[bootycall69]

I have been seeing a lot of schools releasing Out of Conference schedules lately, and I don't think I have seen one of those schools with an MVC opponent except for Fresno State's release that lists the Creighton game. Is the MVC guilty of scheduling games at the last minute with other schools that schedule at the last minute seeing who is left?

I know there are some schools that kind of make sure their opponents are ready to release schedules and they kind of release them together, so maybe that is the case.

Are there any rumblings of BCS opponents for the Valley except for the Pre-Conference tourneys? I have read a ton of stuff on other schools and their speculation of what teams they might be playing before the actual schedules are released and I have not read anything about any Valley team being mentioned. Not even the smaller schools. I'm afraid the valley is going to be on the short end of the stick this year because there aren't as many willing teams to play the Valley because of the whole RPI thing last year. It will be interesting to see what type of quality opponents Valley teams get this year. The Jay's are looking pretty decent for OOC schedule, but a lot of the quality is on the road (Rainbow Classic, Nebraska, Dayton, Fresno-maybe) and then George Mason and Xavier at home right now. But at this point no BCS team (Nebraska doesn't count) Hopefully there will be another nice home game, but I'm thinking it would be pretty tough.

[BearsCountry]

Bears schedule so far is:

South Padre Tournament (Delaware St, TBA, Wisconsin, Oklahoma St/Auburn) First two games are in Springfield

Home
Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Bracket Buster

Road
Saint Louis
South Florida

[shocks771]

Andy Katz wrote an article on ESPN on June 22nd about the scheduling problems that WSU is having this year. Right now WSU still needs to fill four non-conference games for next season and apparently our Sweet 16 run is making scheduling even more difficult.

In the article Katz mentioned that Turgeon had written a letter to every school in the "big six" conferences (ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-10 and SEC) except for Vanderbilt (Turgeon is close friends with Kevin Stallings), North Carolina (Turgeon is close with Roy Williams), Kansas State (due to the fact that they may be on the schedule in the Las Vegas Tournament) and Providence (WSU just completed a home and home with them last season) asking these teams for a home and home series. He even suggested that they would start the series on the road and he's gotten no takers. Where's Gary Williams at to back up the claim that he made last season? A few of the schools have said that they could play, but that they would only do so if WSU played their home game in Kansas City, which is not something that WSU is willing to do.

Turgeon is holding out hope that a few of the schools will give in and take a home and home deal, but it's getting pretty late in the game to be needing four games, so I expect to see a few teams that fall into the "mid-major" status on the schedule this year instead of the big names like Illinois or Michigan State this season. I hope I'm wrong, but that's the way it is looking.

[Dawgbit]

No WKU on Evansville schedule. Series was not renewed. WKU did add Southern Illinois though.

No....SIU added Western Kentucky.:yes:

[MSNSaluki]

Andy Katz wrote an article on ESPN on June 22nd about the scheduling problems that WSU is having this year. Right now WSU still needs to fill four non-conference games for next season and apparently our Sweet 16 run is making scheduling even more difficult.

In the article Katz mentioned that Turgeon had written a letter to every school in the "big six" conferences (ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-10 and SEC) except for Vanderbilt (Turgeon is close friends with Kevin Stallings), North Carolina (Turgeon is close with Roy Williams), Kansas State (due to the fact that they may be on the schedule in the Las Vegas Tournament) and Providence (WSU just completed a home and home with them last season) asking these teams for a home and home series. He even suggested that they would start the series on the road and he's gotten no takers. Where's Gary Williams at to back up the claim that he made last season? A few of the schools have said that they could play, but that they would only do so if WSU played their home game in Kansas City, which is not something that WSU is willing to do.

Turgeon is holding out hope that a few of the schools will give in and take a home and home deal, but it's getting pretty late in the game to be needing four games, so I expect to see a few teams that fall into the "mid-major" status on the schedule this year instead of the big names like Illinois or Michigan State this season. I hope I'm wrong, but that's the way it is looking.


welcome to the world of siu and creighton, shockers.
it sucks ... and there's nothing we can do about it.

[galojay]

No....SIU added Western Kentucky.:yes:

Haha, either way it is going to be a GREAT series!! I'm pretty excited about this one.

[rjl]

welcome to the world of siu and creighton, shockers.
it sucks ... and there's nothing we can do about it.

Hopefully, the more Valley teams that join that world, doors might open to a legitimized MVC.

Gonzaga did it somehow. Think they were willing to do anything or go anywhere to play those games, though. MTurgeon is friends with Few so he may have heard some cautionary tales.

[Phantom]

This subject really irks me, as I know it does all of you guys. I was just having this very argument with some friends the other night. They arent MVC loyalists (but are huge college hoops fans) and their argument was that the Valley teams need to go on the road to play the big boys and get some more national notoriety. I agreed with this, and then explained to them how every Valley coach has been beating down the doors of all the big boys and nobody answers. We are stuck playing the teams we play in the non-con because the big guys want nothing to do with us! So what can we do here? I think a huge part of it is that the big guys are scared of losing to a Valley team because they would consider it a "bad" loss. I think thats where they are wrong. Its no longer a bad loss IMO. I think the MVC proved themselves last year and have a good shot at doing it again this year. We are no longer "the little conference that could" and I wish the BCS leagues would realize that and not think that playing us would be so detrimental.

As far as my Redbirds go, Im hoping that Moser hits one out of the park with the few remaining games to fill on the schedule. Its pretty clear that we arent getting into a preseason tourney cuz most if not all are full and Im sure we wouldve heard something by now. So far we have...

HOME:
Cincinatti
Miami (Ohio)
Cal St. Northridge
Bracket Buster

ROAD:
St. Johns
Western Michigan

That gives us probably somewhere from 2-4 more games to fill up. Hopefully we can get some good opponents but it sounds like the list is dwindling again.

[mid-major fan]

I know this will come as a big shock but coaches do not always tell the truth, especially when it comes to scheduling. First and foremost, every coach wants to schedule games he can win or thinks he can win. About the only exceptions involve a chance for a national TV game or a chance to play a "bigger" in-state team that won't ordinarily play you or a mandate to play a guarantee game to earn some dollars for the school.

[shocks771]

I know this will come as a big shock but coaches do not always tell the truth, especially when it comes to scheduling. First and foremost, every coach wants to schedule games he can win or thinks he can win. About the only exceptions involve a chance for a national TV game or a chance to play a "bigger" in-state team that won't ordinarily play you or a mandate to play a guarantee game to earn some dollars for the school.

I really don't know who you are pointing your comment about coaches not telling the truth about scheduling to, but I can assure you that Turgeon is telling the truth when he says that he sent a letter to every school in the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, Big East, SEC and Pac-10 except for Vanderbilt, Providence, Kansas State and North Carolina. Everytime that I've had a chance to speak with Mark or someone in WSU's athletic office they are complaining about how hard it is to get people to play us, and it's not just because of last season. This has been the case for the past three or four years. While having an arena that Leonard Hamilton was quoted as saying is "louder than Duke" is nice, it definately doesn't help us get any big names to sign up to a home and home.

[MSNSaluki]

Mr. Lowery and Mr. Turgeon, despite their recent successes, have to get off their high horses and quit dreaming that any BCS school is going to do a 1-for-1 deal with SIU or Wichita State. It COULD happen, but it probably won't. Lowery is insistent that he won't do a 2-for-1 or a one-time game against a BCS school and in my opinion, he's off his rocker. With five returning starters for this year and only losing two starters after next year, the time is ripe to go on the road and open some eyes.

So a previous poster was right: Don't always believe what a coach says. Lowery and Turgeon may have called every BCS school in America BUT we don't know what kind of terms they wanted.

I hope Turgeon isn't making the same mistake as Lowery.

[mid-major fan]

I thought I just explained why it might be difficult for Wichita to get a BCS team to come to town: most BCS teams would not be very confident of a win so why risk it since they have other options. The elite teams that could be reasonably confident of a win, frankly, have more attractive options tnan a home and home with Wichita or any Valley schooo - in most cases.

[MSNSaluki]

I thought I just explained why it might be difficult for Wichita to get a BCS team to come to town: most BCS teams would not be very confident of a win so why risk it since they have other options. The elite teams that could be reasonably confident of a win, frankly, have more attractive options tnan a home and home with Wichita or any Valley schooo - in most cases.


agreed. no argument.
we in carbondale know full well about this. the only reason indiana came here four or five years ago was because davis hadn't had time to cancel all the contracts knight had signed.
he did it quickly the next year.

[WuDrWu]

2 points..............


If the "Big Boys" continue business as usual then I hope the selection guys continue to reward Valley teams with 3-5 bids. Exclusion from big post season dollars is all these guys understand.

Secondly, I agree with the 1 for 1 principle, however, I think it is now time for WSU (and SIU and CU) to have a least one (if not 2) games where they give in and play the "Gonzaga" game. Anywhere, anytime against the best. It's put up or shut up time, we're ready and it's time to break down the door or shut our mouths.

[Shox21]

Apparently we aren't the only ones having trouble filling our schedule. I'm not an insider so can't read the whole article, but here's the link. Utah and Air Force (the last two at-larges in last year) are having their share of woes as well.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=katz_andy&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fesp n%2fblog%2findex%3fname%3dkatz_andy

[dogdays]

The big boys are struggling for games too...they dont want to play SIU, WSU, CU etc but when August rolls around and they are still short games they may have to give...I use to be one who thought we should do 2 for ones or one offs but after having several discussions with a number of coaches and a couple of ad.s I completely agree with the approach of no 2 for ones.....with a mild exception...if you can get a one off with UNC or someone else of their caliber and it is the right day in the right part of the schedule and you have a reasonable or even half reasonable chance of success and the money is great , then maybe just maybe you do it...but the stars have to be in alginment, if not you are killing yourself and your future schedules...if your team is young , no way you should do it.

[okstarsfan]

Apparently we aren't the only ones having trouble filling our schedule.
You can add MSU to the list (no surprise).


MSU works to complete schedules

Lady Bears have one nonconference spot left; Bears have tough time finding foes.

Kyle Neddenriep
Springfield News-Leader (http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060713/SPORTS0401/607130387/1096)

Missouri State athletic director Bill Rowe said the final touches are being applied to the 2006-07 men's and women's basketball schedules, although the new NCAA rule to allow 27 regular-season games and an exempt tournament of up to four games hasn't exactly made scheduling any easier.

"We're still struggling, mostly on the men's side," Rowe said. "We have three more nonconference games we can schedule for the men."

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The men have games scheduled at Saint Louis and South Florida, with home games against Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Delaware State, and a trip to the South Padre Island (Texas) Invitational, where they will play Wisconsin and either Oklahoma State or Auburn.

Complete schedules will be released later this summer for both the men and women.

:bears: :valley:

[DawgFan]

Why are the big BCS' (the top 50 or top 100 type BCS) having trouble finding games when the NCAA is so willing to allow anybody, anywhere to be D1. We're at 340+ D1 schools.

I happen to think part of the disgusting, vast amount of newbie D1's being allowed is to keep BCS schools happy and have no trouble finding all the buy games they want, so they don't have to schedule deals with MVC schools. Especially schools that won't do 2 for 1's.

[Phantom]

We just added another home game at the end of November vs. Sacramento State. Not sure if its just a one off or if we have to return the game next year. We have 6 games done so far, (not including the Bracket Buster) so we should still have a couple left to add. Still havent been able to find any info on our reported ACC and C-USA games.

Its funny. I figured the year the Valley just had would help everyone out in scheduling but it seems our teams are struggling harder than ever to find games. I think UE and InSu are the only schools with a completed non-con sched so far correct?