Looks like CU scored a LARGE recruiting coup

[LincolnJay]

Looks like Creighton is going to land Ty Morrison, 6'7, 220 juco forward from Redlands CC in Oklahoma. He signed with Mizzou in the fall but got his LOI release a couple weeks ago due to the regime change there.

Ty was rated the #1 juco at Hoopmasters and #3 at Jucojunction coming into the year. He was hurt this year, playing only about half their games and dropped to #11 at Jucojunction now. Uber-athlete with a good touch.

He was recruited by the likes of Arizona, Oregon, Iowa, etc, etc, etc but I have now heard from a couple different sources on the Hilltop that met and talked with him on his visit this weekend that he has said he is going to be a Jay!!!

[DannyCooksey]

wow

that would be an impressive kid to land, considering where he has been rated all year.

I guess the talk of the Redbirds having the best class are a bit premature. If this is true, Lawson, Miles and Morrison would have to be the best.

[LincolnJay]

I guess no guarantee til story is out that LOI is in hand but this was multiple parties saying they had heard it from him.

[Dawgbit]

Is this the scholarship that Andre Walker would have had?

[Jayman]

Is this the scholarship that Andre Walker would have had?

Not necessarily his scholarship but it should be the last we have to give out unless more rumored bench warmers leave.

[DawgFan]

Altman is amazing. He's good at so many different parts of being a head coach.

[MSNSaluki]

wow ... could be a good get for the jays.

[cuhoops]

http://studentsports.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=198668
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=247499
http://studentsports.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=134735


^links to Morrison... from the bluejay board, could be a SWEET get, but i still think ISU's got the best class coming in.

GO JAYS!

[SubGod22]

I think ISU still has the best but CU is the obvious #2 if this is true.

[Canevision]

Oh, if CU gets this guy they definitely have the best, on paper, incoming class.

Miles is the highest rated kid, 3rd rated kid in a HS PF (Lawson), and a top-15 JUCO F would be better than anything anyone else had, at least according to the sites.

[Putz Jay]

You can believe what you want but in this case it is true, Creighton backed off of Slack. It's not that they don't think he's good but you might find out why they backed off after this coming weekend.

I posted this in a reply to the "Battle for Anthony Slack" thread. This is what I meant when I said you might know why they backed off after this coming weekend because Morrison was in this past weekend. They liked Slack but after an in-home visit they really had a great feeling on Morrison and thus really went after him.

I think this does solidify Creighton as the top class in the Valley so hopefully for us that does translate into the top team on the court. Altman was a so-so recruiter and I'd been disappointed by his recruiting as he never really seemed to capitalize fully on Creighton's success. However, the past two or three years he's shook some things up on the staff and really started to put a greater emphasis on recruiting and it looks like it may be starting to pay off.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Anything official on this yet?

[Putz Jay]

Nothing "official" but based on past history neither the local paper nor Creighton will have anything about it for another two or three weeks. I don't know what it is but recruiting stories out of CU or about CU in the paper just trickle out. The article on Miles came a long time after he committed. A couple of people heard him directly say that he had committed but I guess you can never say for sure until the LOI is in hand.

[torear]

Creighton very rarely reports anything on recruits until all expected letters of intent are in hand.

The World-Herald frequently goes to press with less about Nebraska commits in various sports, but has almost never taken such initiative to report a Creighton commit, so that's not suprising.

I would expect CU to have Morrison's LOI in hand first part of this week. There's too many people talking about his commitment to just be talk. From boosters, to students, to players themselves this weekend, all relaying the same the story.

IMHO, sometimes I think the University is a bit too timid in trumpeting good news such as this. Considering we live in a climate up here in Nebraska where any random three star bum that goes to NU is hailed to the media as "the one that can change a whole program", some of us fans wouldn't mind CU pointing out that, hey, not only did we beat you (badly) on the court but we outrecruited you too...

[WuDrWu]

Creighton very rarely reports anything on recruits until all expected letters of intent are in hand.

The World-Herald frequently goes to press with less about Nebraska commits in various sports, but has almost never taken such initiative to report a Creighton commit, so that's not suprising.

I would expect CU to have Morrison's LOI in hand first part of this week. There's too many people talking about his commitment to just be talk. From boosters, to students, to players themselves this weekend, all relaying the same the story.

IMHO, sometimes I think the University is a bit too timid in trumpeting good news such as this. Considering we live in a climate up here in Nebraska where any random three star bum that goes to NU is hailed to the media as "the one that can change a whole program", some of us fans wouldn't mind CU pointing out that, hey, not only did we beat you (badly) on the court but we outrecruited you too...

Rarely? Can you let me know when these rarely comments occured?

[Bluejay03]

Morrison looks like a player. He will bring a lot of talent to Creighton. 6'7 220, kind of has a Mike Grimes type of build, he could help Creighton right away. I have seen nothing official yet on his signing, but everything unofficial is sure pointing towards Creighton. And Creighton for sure now has the top class in the Valley no question about it. Illinois State is #2 and Northern Iowa probably gets the nod for the #3 class.

[outpost]

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/cwnevius/2006/03/26/morrison-400.jpg <---- Morrison

[MikeKennedyRulz]

What the heck is Christiane Amanpour from CNN doing wearing a Gonzaga jersey and hugging Mark Few?

[WuGameClan]

Dana finally makes it to the Sweet Sixteen this year...maybe even farther. They are recruiting well and have a very talented group of players

[NoBSU]

How's is the injured knee?

[redbirdtim]

Great gets for CU. They def. have the best JUCO recruits coming in if they get this guy-unfortunately they will only have these guys for 2 years.

[cuhoops]

Great gets for CU. They def. have the best JUCO recruits coming in if they get this guy-unfortunately they will only have these guys for 2 years.

Not THESE guys, THIS guy, our other recruits are Lawson and Miles and Harriman(redshirt), all true froshes.



SIGN, MORRISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LincolnJay]

How's is the injured knee?

Completely healed. 100% recovery.

It's a good decade to be a Jay! :jays:

[azbirdfan]

Looks like a solid recruit, congrats! From what I've been told, he had a lot of interest from Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Oklahoma and others and was holding out for an offer from one of them which never came. Not sure why those other schools didn't offer however most likely because they had already gotten their "a" recruits who filled those voids. Looks like a solid get for Creighton and the Valley!!

[NoBSU]

Completely healed. 100% recovery.

It's a good decade to be a Jay! :jays:

So the CU coaches were foresighted enough to watch him play to confirm his rehab while he was committed to Mizzou? Surely a pick-up game didn't break-out during his visit just when the CU coaches happened to be walking by a court.

[LincolnJay]

So the CU coaches were foresighted enough to watch him play to confirm his rehab while he was committed to Mizzou? Surely a pick-up game didn't break-out during his visit just when the CU coaches happened to be walking by a court.

Haven't been keeping up with the new NCAA rules, have you?

[NoBSU]

Nope educate me. I knew that a limited number of players could work-out. I thought this was three. So are you going to inform me that two roster players and a recruit can get together and have a supervised work-out.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Dana finally makes it to the Sweet Sixteen this year...maybe even farther. They are recruiting well and have a very talented group of players

Love the Signature! Can never get enough of the shot that dashed the NCAA hopes of the BJ's.


:shockers:

[Bird]

It shows something when you are more interested in the shot dashing CU's at-large hopes than basically sealing up the conference for WSU. A little preoccupied with CU perhaps?

[Shox21]

A little preoccupied with CU perhaps?

No more than usual. We just LOVE those guys.:rolleyes:

[CreightonRx]

According to rivals Ty Morrison (#11 JUCO player in the country) has officially committed to Creighton and signed a LOI. He just took a trip to Gonzaga and had one planned for Minnesota next weekend, which has since been canceled. Huge pickup as he's a mismatch since at 6'7-6'8 225 and can do it all. Stats won't blow you away from last year since he missed a lot of the season with injury.

Ends an unbelievable recruiting class in my opinion.
- Harriman (gray shirt, leading scorer in Iowa at 30+ ppg, 6'5, and we know DA's history with Iowa players)
- Miles (rivals top 150)
- Lawson (3-star foward)
- D'Angalo Jackson (6ft, rail thing pg/sg, with an extremely fast first step)
- Ty Morrison

WOW!!!

[CreightonRx]

Here's a video clip of him. Game is similar to Summerville. (sp?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoiA8cxVjvo&search=ty%20morrison

[WheatShock'd]

Well, I guess that ends the discussion about the best recruiting class in the Valley. Altman has done magic in the past with players that were less-than-talented...I can't wait to see what he does with raw talent like Morrison, Lawson, and Miles (Harriman looks like a Korver clone in the making). If this team stays healthy next year, this could be the best Valley team in a VERY long time.

Could it be possible to have *2* preseason top-25 Valley teams? CU and SIU certainly look like they have the material to do it.

[CreightonRx]

<img src=http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/919/98535.JPG>

[C0|db|00ded]

<img src=http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/919/98535.JPG>

You mean he can dunk too????!!!!11111eleven


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[C0|db|00ded]

Well, I guess that ends the discussion about the best recruiting class in the Valley. Altman has done magic in the past with players that were less-than-talented...I can't wait to see what he does with raw talent like Morrison, Lawson, and Miles (Harriman looks like a Korver clone in the making). If this team stays healthy next year, this could be the best Valley team in a VERY long time.

Could it be possible to have *2* preseason top-25 Valley teams? CU and SIU certainly look like they have the material to do it.

If this team stays healthy next year, this could be the best Valley team in a VERY long time.

Maybe someday if Dana could figure this league out they could finish ahead of Wichita State ...on their 4th consecutive year trying.

Could it be possible to have *2* preseason top-25 Valley teams? CU and SIU certainly look like they have the material to do it.

You can't be this stupid.


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[torear]

Interestingly enough, this class grades out as better than any class Spinelli brought into Lincoln.

[MSNSaluki]

Interestingly enough, this class grades out as better than any class Spinelli brought into Lincoln.

Here we go ...:bash: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

[C0|db|00ded]

Interestingly enough, this class grades out as better than any class Spinelli brought into Lincoln.

Spinelli never recruited for the "Class of the Valley". Great things are happening at WSU and Spinelli joins arguably the top recruiting coach in the Valley by some media sources.

It's a great day to be a Shocker!

It's seems to be a pretty good day to be a Bluejay as well!!!!11


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[CreightonRx]

This board makes me laugh. We all support each other during the season, especially out conference. But every offseason we get in these pissing wars, about who's been better, who will be better, who has the better recruits (and about 1% of any of us have seen any of the recruits play), who has the better coach, even who is the next god of the valley.

:valley:

[torear]

... because the "Class of the Valley" really cashed in on this season's results, as Ben Uzoh signs with Tulsa over Wichita State this afternoon.

Told Husker fans before I wouldn't have traded Fish for Spinelli and that hasn't changed.

[WheatShock'd]

Where is the ignore button again?

[C0|db|00ded]

... because the "Class of the Valley" really cashed in on this season's results, as Ben Uzoh signs with Tulsa over Wichita State this afternoon.

Told Husker fans before I wouldn't have traded Fish for Spinelli and that hasn't changed.

Recruiting season ain't over yet, you gotta have faith in MT!

P.S.

We don't know the whole story on Mr. Uzoh. Does it make any sense at all to "turn down" Wichita State for Tulsa??? There must have been other issues like expected roles and/or academic preferences.


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[valleyclimber]

Hmmmmmmm....does seem a bit strange that Uzoh would go for a washed up Tulsa program over a fresh off a Sweet Sixteen squad. It'll be interesting to find out some of the details on this one. :valley:

[MSNSaluki]

Recruiting season ain't over yet, you gotta have faith in MT!

P.S.

We don't know the whole story on Mr. Uzoh. Does it make any sense at all to "turn down" Wichita State for Tulsa??? There must have been other issues like expected roles and/or academic preferences.


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or, god forbid, he just didn't like wichita state.:no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:

[Little Eddie]

I would like to apologize in advance for what I'm sure is gonna be some lofty predictions by CU fans...very good recruiting class on paper but I'll reserve judgment until we start playing some games. These guys need to gel, learn and buy into the system, work their asses off for PT cuz they're gonna have lots of competition in each position.

[LincolnJay]

WOOHOO Jays from the other side of the world!!!!!

Man oh man, if the injury bug can stay away, this could be one good year!!!

:jays:

[MikeKennedyRulz]

WOOHOO Jays from the other side of the world!!!!!

Man oh man, if the injury bug can stay away, this could be one good year!!!

:jays:

Still whining about injuries I see. Some things never change I guess. :no:


:jays:

[underdawg2]

This board makes me laugh. We all support each other during the season, especially out conference. But every offseason we get in these pissing wars, about who's been better, who will be better, who has the better recruits (and about 1% of any of us have seen any of the recruits play), who has the better coach, even who is the next god of the valley.

:valley:


It is written: "there is but one godShawgod"

[cufan]

I would like to apologize in advance for what I'm sure is gonna be some lofty predictions by CU fans...very good recruiting class on paper but I'll reserve judgment until we start playing some games. These guys need to gel, learn and buy into the system, work their asses off for PT cuz they're gonna have lots of competition in each position.


Hey, Lucky Eddie. You've been listening to the coaching staff a little too much.:lol: Let Dana and your bro stew about getting the guys to gel, learn and buy into the system, etc. Join the rest of us in some good old-fashioned gloating - at least for the summer. We can worry about the other stuff next fall.

Its a great decade to be a Jay.

:clap: :bounceblue: :bounceblue: :jays: :jays: Oh, and :valley:

[Bird]

Gosh darnit, if only Anthony Slack hadn't excluded us from his final few schools. Then of course, maybe he was worried about playing time with Morrison coming in!! :jays:

[Shox21]

This board makes me laugh. We all support each other during the season, especially out conference. But every offseason we get in these pissing wars, about who's been better, who will be better, who has the better recruits (and about 1% of any of us have seen any of the recruits play), who has the better coach, even who is the next god of the valley.

:valley:

Yeah, but reading all this is the most fun I've had at work in a long, long time. Oops. Boss just got here. Gotta go "earn".

[Little Eddie]

Hey, Lucky Eddie. You've been listening to the coaching staff a little too much.:lol: Let Dana and your bro stew about getting the guys to gel, learn and buy into the system, etc. Join the rest of us in some good old-fashioned gloating - at least for the summer. We can worry about the other stuff next fall.

Its a great decade to be a Jay.

:clap: :bounceblue: :bounceblue: :jays: :jays: Oh, and :valley:

Other teams have bragging rights over CU right now...I'm ok w/ it for the off season. Those teams (SIU, WSU and Bradley) earned their bragging rights by their play. I'm optimistic about next year no doubt. I just choose to temper my excitement around other fans...I don't like to jinx things. That's why you'll never, ever see me call the fan of another team during a game to talk smack...always wait until after the buzzer sounds to get the smack in.

[valleyclimber]

Bird, it WILL be interesting to see who (Slack or Morrison) has more hops when they hit the Valley. Who knows? :valley:

[cuhoops]

It is written: "there is but one godShawgod"

LOL. i love the godshawgod comments.

Morrison should provide a big, big wing player to (hopefully) offset the talent level teams like Bradley and SIU always seem to have over us. Dotzler better be OK for next season though, I can't stand another game without a point guard.



GO JAYS

[JayJay]

I know the rest of the Valley is probably sick and tired of hearing about Creighton's recruiting class this year, but Scout.com just updated its player rankings. CU has two 4-star recruits and one high 3-star (ranked right below the lowest four-star PG). Kenny Lawson (four stars) is ranked #21 among centers, Ty Morrison (four stars) is ranked #23 among SF, and Isacc Miles (three stars) is ranked #31 among PG. I realize these "stars" don't add up to a single W, but it wasn't that long ago when the scouting services would immediately drop a player from its rankings if they signed with a valley school.

:jays: :valley:

[MikeKennedyRulz]

I know the rest of the Valley is probably sick and tired of hearing about Creighton's recruiting class this year, but Scout.com just updated its player rankings. CU has two 4-star recruits and one high 3-star (ranked right below the lowest four-star PG). Kenny Lawson (four stars) is ranked #21 among centers, Ty Morrison (four stars) is ranked #23 among SF, and Isacc Miles (three stars) is ranked #31 among PG. I realize these "stars" don't add up to a single W, but it wasn't that long ago when the scouting services would immediately drop a player from its rankings if they signed with a valley school.

:jays: :valley:

:clap: :jays: :clap: :jays: :clap: :jays:

Mail the trophy to the cream of the Valley!!!

[cuhoops]

:clap: :jays: :clap: :jays: :clap: :jays:

Mail the trophy to the cream of the Valley!!!

Umm, a-hole, that was a compliment to the valley, not just Creighton. Read the posts instead of just the user-names. Creighton's recruiting class is a great thing for CU and the Valley, it's really a shame you can't appreciate that.

[CUJaysFan]

Umm, a-hole, that was a compliment to the valley, not just Creighton. Read the posts instead of just the user-names. Creighton's recruiting class is a great thing for CU and the Valley, it's really a shame you can't appreciate that.

it's a jealousy thing - DA has owned WSU on the hardwood - MT had looked like a superior recruiter - but now CU brings in what looks like the best hoops recruiting class in the last 25 years for any MVC school - and MKR comes to the realization that last season was as good as it will get down there in ICT.

[shockerfan13]

it's a jealousy thing - DA has owned WSU on the hardwood - MT had looked like a superior recruiter - but now CU brings in what looks like the best hoops recruiting class in the last 25 years for any MVC school - and MKR comes to the realization that last season was as good as it will get down there in ICT.


Well he can keep owning us if it leads to a better finish than CU and a NCAA tourney LOL.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

it's a jealousy thing - DA has owned WSU on the hardwood - MT had looked like a superior recruiter - but now CU brings in what looks like the best hoops recruiting class in the last 25 years for any MVC school - and MKR comes to the realization that last season was as good as it will get down there in ICT.

Whats that say for CU, who has finished below the Shox in each of the last 3 seasons? Also, when was the last time St. Dana made it to the Sweet 16? So, I guess the Shox last season is better than any BJ fan has experienced under St. Dana. No need for any Shocker fan to be jealous of Dana or CU, these kids have done absolutely nothing at the D-1 level yet.

[TrueBlueJay]

No need for any Shocker fan to be jealous of Dana or CU, these kids have done absolutely nothing at the D-1 level yet.

Huh? Man you are off the deep end sometimes. :banana:

[torear]

You couldn't have proven his point more. You wear your emotions on your sleeve, and right now, that's some serious green eyed monster.

[cuhoops]

What a great day to be a bluejay!!!

[Bird]

With 9 post season appearances in a row and this recruiting class, what a great decade to be a Jay!!:jays:

[C0|db|00ded]

Good lord this thread is great! My, Isasos and many other's file cabinet is literally bulging with quotes from this cornucopia of reckless statements... The lack of composure being displayed by the CU Nation points to much more pain and sadness than I ever though the NIT could create.

It's a great day to be a Shocker!


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[Angrybluejaydan]

I would like to apologize in advance for what I'm sure is gonna be some lofty predictions by CU fans...very good recruiting class on paper but I'll reserve judgment until we start playing some games. These guys need to gel, learn and buy into the system, work their asses off for PT cuz they're gonna have lots of competition in each position.


There is reason for CU fans to be fired up. But I gotta second Little Eddie's motion. The MVC is going to be even better next season with all of the returning talent, returning coaches, returning experience and good recruiting.

"I CAN'T HARDLY WAIT....I CAN'T WAIT.....I CAN'T WAIT"

-Paul Westerberg, Replacements, 1987

:jays: :valley:

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Huh? Man you are off the deep end sometimes. :banana:

Did I miss something? Have the new recruits for CU played D-1 basketball somewhere before? Not sure how pointing out that all of these "studs" still have to prove themselves is going off the deep end.

[TrueBlueJay]

Whats that say for CU, who has finished below the Shox in each of the last 3 seasons? Also, when was the last time St. Dana made it to the Sweet 16? So, I guess the Shox last season is better than any BJ fan has experienced under St. Dana. No need for any Shocker fan to be jealous of Dana or CU, these kids have done absolutely nothing at the D-1 level yet.

Ok Mr. Brilliant. If you go back and read your message you first reference the kids playing for DA that finished behind the Shox. No where did you reference the new players only - ergo it stands to reason that your last statement was talking about the current players for Creighton.

I cannot read your mind. I can only read what you write. :banana:

[crjays1]

MKR,

Lets hope after WSU signs two 4 star recruits and a three star recruit that WSU fans are realsitic because none of them played D1 ball yet. WSU fans control everythread on this board, sorry if we would like to enjoy the best incomming class in the Valley.

Have a great day being a shocker, and I will take the last decade to be a Bluejay!

Peace

[MikeKennedyRulz]

MKR,

Lets hope after WSU signs two 4 star recruits and a three star recruit that WSU fans are realsitic because none of them played D1 ball yet. WSU fans control everythread on this board, sorry if we would like to enjoy the best incomming class in the Valley.

Have a great day being a shocker, and I will take the last decade to be a Bluejay!

Peace

Yeah, the BJ's run to the sweet 16 was awesome...oh, wait a minute...

[crjays1]

Thats the best you can do, COLD will be very disappointed after that reply.

Please check this out
http://athensohio.net/sports/basketball/100-greatest/

Please find WSU!

[Bird]

I keep hearing how WSU's Sweet 16 run is better than CU's success the past 9 years. All a Sweet 16 means is your team made the tournament and had a good weekend at the right time. Its a great accomplishment, but it only shows you had a good team for 1 year. 9 straight post-season appearances means you have had a good PROGRAM for a decade. What has Kent State done since its Elite 8. How about Butler since its Sweet 16? How's Weber State been since the late 90's? Unless WSU can sustain its success from last year, its just another Butler.

Sure I hope CU breaks through and makes some noise in the tournament, but I'll take a good program over a good team any day.

[shockerfan13]

I keep hearing how WSU's Sweet 16 run is better than CU's success the past 9 years. All a Sweet 16 means is your team made the tournament and had a good weekend at the right time. Its a great accomplishment, but it only shows you had a good team for 1 year. 9 straight post-season appearances means you have had a good PROGRAM for a decade. What has Kent State done since its Elite 8. How about Butler since its Sweet 16? How's Weber State been since the late 90's? Unless WSU can sustain its success from last year, its just another Butler.

Sure I hope CU breaks through and makes some noise in the tournament, but I'll take a good program over a good team any day.


Well we've been in the post season for 4 straight years now...that's not too shabby either given Turgeon has only been here for 6 years. I think that is more than a fluke...and each season we have improved upon the previous season. Now obviously that is gonna start leveling off, but it's a good level to be at.

And no matter how you want to spin it....Turgeon got to a spot that Dana hasn't been to in half the time.

[crjays1]

Congrat shockerfan!

No spin, funny this was a thread about CU recruiting, and you certain WSU fans feel the need to continue to make every thread shocker related.

Jealousy?
Penis Envy?



Enjoy your 15 minutes..........

[shockerfan13]

Congrat shockerfan!

No spin, funny this was a thread about CU recruiting, and you certain WSU fans feel the need to continue to make every thread shocker related.

Jealousy?
Penis Envy?



Enjoy your 15 minutes..........

LOL yeah....there were NO CU fans taking jabs at WSU in this thread. I think the CU fans made this about WSU more than WSU fans did. LOL good try though. Enjoy finishing behind the Shox....again. :lol:

[crjays1]

Reread the thread.

Enjoy your 15 minutes.

By the way can you please beat George Mason next year!

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Reread the thread.

Enjoy your 15 minutes.

By the way can you please beat George Mason next year!

Shall we compare Turgeon's first six years at WSU to Altman's first six at CU? We'll beat George Mason if the BJ's can beat Chattanooga.

[shockerfan13]

Shall we compare Turgeon's first six years at WSU to Altman's first six at CU? We'll beat George Mason if the BJ's can beat Chattanooga.


Or even SIU...heck we split with them the last couple years...you would think the god Altman could beat them once in a while.

[crjays1]

Compare away!

DA
Year Win/Loses
94 - 95 7 -19
95 - 96 14-15
96 - 97 15 - 15
97 - 98 18 - 10
98 - 99 22-9
99 - 00 23 - 10

NCAA 98 - 99 and 99-00
NIT 97 - 98
District 12 Coach of the year 1999

By the way he does hold a 21 - 4 recod against WSU in his tenure.

I do not care enough to know the stats for Turgeon, but I am sure you will find them.

[crjays1]

Or even SIU...heck we split with them the last couple years...you would think the god Altman could beat them once in a while.

No but we can sure beat the shocks!

21 - 4 all time record DA vs WSU.

Spin away!

[shockerfan13]

No but we can sure beat the shocks!

21 - 4 all time record DA vs WSU.

Spin away!


And yet you still can't seem to finish above us lately. Must suck....I can do this all day.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Or even SIU...heck we split with them the last couple years...you would think the god Altman could beat them once in a while.

Shall we discuss Northern Iowa? CU swept them last year; how did WSU do?

:jays:

[crjays1]

So can I.:innocent:

But that will get us nowhere.:clap:

CU program is just that a program, WSU had a very good year and it was just that one year. Now if you continue your success you may have something to shove down people throats on this site.

CU just had the best recruiting class in DA tenure, that is the point of this thread.

How is WSU recruiting going?:lol:




Good luck next year, hopefully you can avoid the NIT.

[shockerfan13]

So can I.:innocent:

But that will get us nowhere.:clap:

CU program is just that a program, WSU had a very good year and it was just that one year. Now if you continue your success you may have something to shove down people throats on this site.

CU just had the best recruiting class in DA tenure, that is the point of this thread.

How is WSU recruiting going?:lol:




Good luck next year, hopefully you can avoid the NIT.

Well I guess it's tough to recruit when you have so many talented and young players from a Sweet 16 team on the roster. Something CU wouldn't know much about. And you are right....Shox have sucked every year except for last....they will go back into the abyss and be lucky to finish 9th next year. Keep thinking like that Jays fans...just gonna hurt worse as you see WSU remain as the "class of the valley".

[Bird]

Shall we compare Turgeon's first six years at WSU to Altman's first six at CU

Sure. Turg: 1 NCAA, 3 NIT's, 1 regular season championship, increased win total 5 years, no NBA player v. Altman: 2 NCAA's, 1 NIT, 2 conference tournament championships, increased win total every year, and 1 NBA player.

There is no argument that Turg is on a similar path as Altman took. The question remains whether he can sustain it like Altman.

[JayJay]

And yet you still can't seem to finish above us lately. Must suck....I can do this all day.


Shox finished ahead of CU in standings last three years.

Shox lose to CU in head-to-head meetings.

Shox went to Sweet 16, where Dana has never been.

Shox been to one NCAA in forever, Jays six in last 8 years.

Shox improving every year, Jays flat-lined last three.

Shox haven't won MVC tourney in forever, Jays can't count their trophies.

Yawn.

How does one actually get win one of these smack-offs? Be the last one to post? Shox fans, we Jay fans are only bragging a little bit about our recruiting class. Let's hear about yours. I'd like to know -- seriously. :valley:

[crjays1]

Well I guess it's tough to recruit when you have so many talented and young players from a Sweet 16 team on the roster. Something CU wouldn't know much about. And you are right....Shox have sucked every year except for last....they will go back into the abyss and be lucky to finish 9th next year. Keep thinking like that Jays fans...just gonna hurt worse as you see WSU remain as the "class of the valley".


Class of the Valley = 3 NIT berths and 1 NCAA(sweet 16):lol:

SIU must be KINGSHEETE of the valley 5 straight NCAA and a sweet 16!

[shockerfan13]

Shox finished ahead of CU in standings last three years.

Shox lose to CU in head-to-head meetings.

Shox went to Sweet 16, where Dana has never been.

Shox been to one NCAA in forever, Jays six in last 8 years.

Shox improving every year, Jays flat-lined last three.

Shox haven't won MVC tourney in forever, Jays can't count their trophies.

Yawn.

How does one actually get win one of these smack-offs? Be the last one to post? Shox fans, we Jay fans are only bragging a little bit about our recruiting class. Let's hear about yours. I'd like to know -- seriously. :valley:

Actually I like ours just fine if you combine them with what we have returning. Gratz on the good recruiting class, hope there aren't any issues with players and playing time...seriously that happens.

To be honest, stars and rankings make for nice discussion but I don't put alot of stock in it. Each program is looking for different types of players. It's whether the program can recognize potential and find the player that fits their style and has the right attitude for team chemistry. Some of the past recruits we have had, and some that are coming in are 5 stars to me and I am sure Turgeon will do just fine with what he has next year.

Plus, all those sights can only follow so many players. There are several out there that turn out to be "diamonds in the rough".

[crjays1]

Some of the past recruits we have had, and some that are coming in are 5 stars to me and I am sure Turgeon will do just fine with what he has next year.

How Sweet!:lol:

[shockerfan13]

How Sweet!:lol:

point was it doesn't really matter who thinks they are 5 stars or 1 star...what matters is what they do on the court.

Man CU fans are so irritating LOL

[Jayfan]

Plus, all those sights can only follow so many players. There are several out there that turn out to be "diamonds in the rough".

ie Kyle Korver :jays:

[shockerfan13]

ie Kyle Korver :jays:


Good example. And I thought I heard that Adam Morrison wasn't all that highly recruited or ranked. Is that true? If so, that is the ultimate example.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Turgeon in first 6 years at WSU:

-111-76 (.594)
-Four postseason appearances
-One sweet sixteen
-Improvement every year
-Valley COY

Altman in first six years at CU:

-99-78 (.559)
-3 postseason appearances
-No sweet sixteens
-Didn't improve every year

[JayJay]

Actually I like ours just fine if you combine them with what we have returning. Gratz on the good recruiting class, hope there aren't any issues with players and playing time...seriously that happens.

To be honest, stars and rankings make for nice discussion but I don't put alot of stock in it. Each program is looking for different types of players. It's whether the program can recognize potential and find the player that fits their style and has the right attitude for team chemistry. Some of the past recruits we have had, and some that are coming in are 5 stars to me and I am sure Turgeon will do just fine with what he has next year.

Plus, all those sights can only follow so many players. There are several out there that turn out to be "diamonds in the rough".


I completely agree. CU has been living off those "diamonds in the rough" for years (e.g., Korver, Buford, Taylor) that the scouting services seem to overlook. We've never until this year had much success getting the highly regarded prospects. Whether they will be any more productive, we'll have to wait and see.

WSU seems to have been having good luck lately with tranfers, like Cousinard and Bradley. Any new ones we should look out for this year?

[shockerfan13]

I completely agree. CU has been living off those "diamonds in the rough" for years (e.g., Korver, Buford, Taylor) that the scouting services seem to overlook. We've never until this year had much success getting the highly regarded prospects. Whether they will be any more productive, we'll have to wait and see.

WSU seems to have been having good luck lately with tranfers, like Cousinard and Bradley. Any new ones we should look out for this year?


Well I will say that Dana has done more with less, so I can understand why they hype. As far as the Shox...I would say Arbry Butler (although sounds like he may redshirt) is probably our best athlete coming in this year. From the workouts and practices it sounds like Thomasson may be able to come in right away and give us good production in the absence of Paul Miller. Those would be the top 2 newcomers from what I have heard and witnessed.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

I completely agree. CU has been living off those "diamonds in the rough" for years (e.g., Korver, Buford, Taylor) that the scouting services seem to overlook. We've never until this year had much success getting the highly regarded prospects. Whether they will be any more productive, we'll have to wait and see.

WSU seems to have been having good luck lately with tranfers, like Cousinard and Bradley. Any new ones we should look out for this year?

Actually, PJ was not a transfer, he sat out a year as a redshirt. Wilson was a transfer along with Bradley. As far as this year, the Shox have 6'8" Phillip Thomasson who transferred from Colorado St. He was a top 100 guy out of HS according to Fox Sports. He should fill in for PM. He is better defensively than Miller, but maybe a little weaker on the offensive side.

[cufan]

Just to set the record straight:

Dana's first nine years:
7-19
14-15
15-15
18-10
22-9
23-10
24-5
23-9
29-5

Improved record in each of first seven years and 8 out of 9 years - But don't let the facts get in your way. Also, Dana had a top 10 team in his nineth year. Let's see if Turgeon stays in Wichita long enough to do that for you.

[JayJay]

Actually, PJ was not a transfer, he sat out a year as a redshirt. Wilson was a transfer along with Bradley. As far as this year, the Shox have 6'8" Phillip Thomasson who transferred from Colorado St. He was a top 100 guy out of HS according to Fox Sports. He should fill in for PM. He is better defensively than Miller, but maybe a little weaker on the offensive side.

Thanks for the clarification on Cooz/Wilson.

How many years of eligibility does Thomasson have left?

And MKR, if you're sick of this thread, you can always start a discussion about who's the bigger farce: GW or Billy Packer. :lol:

[Bird]

Turgeon in first 6 years at WSU:

-111-76 (.594)
-Four postseason appearances
-One sweet sixteen
-Improvement every year
-Valley COY

Altman in first six years at CU:

-99-78 (.559)
-3 postseason appearances
-No sweet sixteens
-Didn't improve every year

As already stated, Altman actually improved the number of wins his first 7 years, including his first year at CU. I believe Turg's first year at WSU was a drop off from the year before he got to WSU. Altman was also District Coach of the Year one of this first 6 years, which includes coaches from a much larger pool than just the MVC.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Just to set the record straight:

Dana's first nine years:
7-19
14-15
15-15
18-10
22-9
23-10
24-5
23-9
29-5

Improved record in each of first seven years and 8 out of 9 years - But don't let the facts get in your way. Also, Dana had a top 10 team in his nineth year. Let's see if Turgeon stays in Wichita long enough to do that for you.

Not so fast my friend:

While the win totals improved in his first six years, his winning % did not.

94-95: 7-19 (.269)
95-96: 14-15 (.483)
96-97: 15-15 (.500)
97-98: 18-10 (.643)
98-99: 22-9 (.710)
99-00: 23-10 (.697)

Here are Turgeon's:

00-01: 9-19 (.321)
01-02: 15-15 (.500)
02-03: 18-12 (.600)
03-04: 21-11 (.656)
04-05: 22-10 (.688)
05-06: 26-9 (.743)

Advantage Turg. But, lets not let facts stand in the way. That, my friends is improvement every year.

[Jayfan]

Turgeon in first 6 years at WSU:

-111-76 (.594)
-Four postseason appearances
-One sweet sixteen
-Improvement every year
-Valley COY

Altman in first six years at CU:

-99-78 (.559)
-3 postseason appearances
-No sweet sixteens
-Didn't improve every year

Acording to goshockers.com "In 2004-05, Mark Turgeon became the first Wichita State head coach to improve the Shockers in the win column four-straight seasons with 15, 18, 21 and 22 wins"
If he has improved every year why doesn't it read Mark Turgeon has become the first Wichita State head coach to improve the shorkers win column six-straight seasons?

DA did improve in the win column 6 straight years, sorry his first 7 years the win column improved.

2000-01 Creighton University 24-8
1999-00 Creighton University 23-10
1998-99 Creighton University 22-9
1997-98 Creighton University 18-10
1996-97 Creighton University 15-15
1995-96 Creighton University 14-15
1994-95 Creighton University 7-19
:jays:

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Thanks for the clarification on Cooz/Wilson.

How many years of eligibility does Thomasson have left?

And MKR, if you're sick of this thread, you can always start a discussion about who's the bigger farce: GW or Billy Packer. :lol:

Thomasson will be a Jr. next year.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

You might also notice that Turg had a better winning % in each of his first six seasons than Altman had in his.

[XSaluki]

Dana made it to the NCAAs a few of those years. NCAA post season games are bit harder to win.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Dana made it to the NCAAs a few of those years. NCAA post season games are bit harder to win.

And he didn't win very many of them, thats for sure.

[SiuCubFan8]

Class of the Valley = 3 NIT berths and 1 NCAA(sweet 16):lol:

SIU must be KINGSHEETE of the valley 5 straight NCAA and a sweet 16!

:yes: :salukis:

And the future also looks bright!:grin:

[Aargh]

Grats to CU on what appears to be a great recruiting class. Lawson and Morrison fill some immediate needs at CU. Miles could be vital if Dotzler has trouble recovering from his injuries or if he turns out injury-prone. CU is getting a lot of immediate help in areas where CU needed players who can produce quality minutes.

I noticed the scouting services still have Arbry Butler at 6'7", 205. That was accurate at the beginning of Butler's JR year in HS. Butler, from Little Rock, Ark., is 6'9" and a 3-star (per the scouting services). The Arkansas Gatorade PoY is Chris Brown (6'9" WSU recruit), who is NR by the scouting services. Chris Brown is listed as uncommitted and WSU is not on his list of interested schools. My confidence (actually - lack of confidence) in scouting services has been confirmed.

Scouting services have never heard of J.T. Durley (6'8", 235 WSU recruit). That could be because Durley spent his summers getting ready for football season instead of playing AAU ball. Sometimes it seems the services have seen an AAU game or 2 and that's the entire basis for their evaluations.

Derek Brown (6'6" WSU walk-on recruit) is so far below the radar that you'd have to use sonar to find him. Derek Brown racked up his 22 points, 6 boards, 6 assists and 3 steals playing for a HS similar in size to Herriman's. Those guys often don't get noticed by the services. Interesting point is that Derek Brown got his numbers playing point guard for his HS team. His hometown newspaper reported that he turned down offers from 2 unnamed MVC schools to walk on at WSU.

WSU has 2 probably project players in the frontcourt for 2006-'07 (6'10" So and 6'11" Fr coming off a redshirt). WSU is looking for a perimeter player for its final scholarship.

Perimeter players take one look at WSU's roster and see Brauer, Ogirri and Couisnard were all So's last year. That's not very attractive to a HS guy looking for playing time at D-1. The last scholarship might get saved for next year.

[redbirdtim]

Ok...let me try and settle this...both Turg and Altman both have had successful improvements. Both are good, solid coaches who are building programs. Dana has been around longer, but both Turg and Altman have had success.

I am very happy to see the Valley getting some great recruits. If numerous sites rank Morrison as a top JUCO prospect, I will then assume that he has the POTENTIAL to be a stud. If he does pan out, luckily he would only be playing at CU for two years.

[torear]

Advantage Turg. But, lets not let facts stand in the way. That, my friends is improvement every year.

Which makes the three straight NIT bids that much worse.

[CUJaysFan]

good point torear - if turg is so damn brilliant - the second coming of john wooden even - why six years til his first NCAA appearance?

CU was coming out of a lower low when altman was hired as well - the whole thing is baffling

GODTURGGOD!!!!!!

and it would be hard to argue that creighton wouldn't have been in the NIT both last season and several years ago - if not for significant injury issues...

[MikeKennedyRulz]

CU was coming out of a lower low when altman was hired as well

No way in hades!! The Shox were spiraling even further downward than they had been before. They had sucked for the entire decade of the 90's and had had three worthless coaches in a row. Numerous player/coach altercations and problems.

Also, isn't it about time CU did something in the tourney? I mean when is just getting there not going to be enough for the vaunted Gonzaga of the midwest? 2 NIT's in the last three years...impressive indeed.

[blueblood]

Wait a minute, thats not what ISASO has been saying.

[CUJaysFan]

i doubt it

randy roo was a decent recruiter and had brought in talent - the fact that he lasted as long as he did is something of a testament to that

rick johnson is statistically the worst coach in creighton history - within three years he had taken a program that had been in post season play three straight years and 2 ncaa tournaments to the basement of the mvc

[shockerfan13]

No way in hades!! The Shox were spiraling even further downward than they had been before. They had sucked for the entire decade of the 90's and had had three worthless coaches in a row. Numerous player/coach altercations and problems.

Also, isn't it about time CU did something in the tourney? I mean when is just getting there not going to be enough for the vaunted Gonzaga of the midwest? 2 NIT's in the last three years...impressive indeed.

yeah I mean if Altman is so brilliant...why sooooo many years and tournament appearances with very limited success??

[WuDrWu]

Perhaps the much vaunted CU degrees do not come with a little common sense. The Valley is much stronger top to bottom today (and the last few years) thus making it more difficult to get to the dance. During Dana's first years the Valley was ranked as low as 14 (imsmc) in conference RPI, a far cry from the last few years.

If I need to explain further, just respond with an X. I wouldn't expect much more.

[CUJaysFan]

well - that is certainly a new one - and i'll give points on originality

guess gene sucks because the mvc was lousy in baseball when he was winning big all those years ago.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

well - that is certainly a new one - and i'll give points on originality

guess gene sucks because the mvc was lousy in baseball when he was winning big all those years ago.

The difference is he was actually accomplishing something on a NATIONAL level as well.

[TrueBlueJay]

Blueblood - can I borrow your puking picture?

[Bird]

The Valley is much stronger top to bottom today (and the last few years) thus making it more difficult to get to the dance.

Really? The last few years we have had 3-4 teams in the dance. Now, you just need to finish top 2-3 regular season and win a couple in St. Louis to make the NCAA. In the beginning of CU's post-season run, you either had to win the regular season or tournament championships to make the tournament. Which is more difficult? I'm not sure.

The fact remains the only 2 seasons in the last 8 that CU didn't make the NCAA tournament were years we had significant injury issues to vital players. Yet, we were able to make the NIT in both years. If anybody wants to underscore the impact of injuries to key players, look at In. State last year, or Ill State when they lost their stud guard a few years back. That is what makes CU's run all the more impressive. We lost Funk and were still on the cusp of the tourney until we lost our point guard. Pretty damn impressive.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Really? The last few years we have had 3-4 teams in the dance. Now, you just need to finish top 2-3 regular season and win a couple in St. Louis to make the NCAA. In the beginning of CU's post-season run, you either had to win the regular season or tournament championships to make the tournament. Which is more difficult? I'm not sure.

The fact remains the only 2 seasons in the last 8 that CU didn't make the NCAA tournament were years we had significant injury issues to vital players. Yet, we were able to make the NIT in both years. If anybody wants to underscore the impact of injuries to key players, look at In. State last year, or Ill State when they lost their stud guard a few years back. That is what makes CU's run all the more impressive. We lost Funk and were still on the cusp of the tourney until we lost our point guard. Pretty damn impressive.

Man, you BJ's with your injury whining! How long are you going to use that excuse? I swear I have never seen a fanbase whine so much or use what-ifs more than the BJ's this year. Every team can come up with a what-if scenario that would lead them to go undefeated. GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!

[cufan]

Have your fun, guys. It will make your fall next season all the more enjoyable. -oops, was that out loud?

[shockerfan13]

Have your fun, guys. It will make your fall next season all the more enjoyable. -oops, was that out loud?


LOL for us....yes it will. But I wouldn't worry about our fall if I were you

[Bird]

Man, you BJ's with your injury whining! How long are you going to use that excuse? I swear I have never seen a fanbase whine so much or use what-ifs more than the BJ's this year. Every team can come up with a what-if scenario that would lead them to go undefeated. GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!

Not whining at all. We played the hand we were dealt and kept the 20 win season, 10 MVC wins, and post-season streaks going. Shows the magic of Dana.

I would be interested if you can show me another Valley school that has had the injuries CU has had the last 3 years and was still able to make the post-season every year. If you want to ignore the fact that CU has had major injury problems the past 3 years but has still been as successful as a fully healthy WSU, that's cool.

[C0|db|00ded]

good point torear - if turg is so damn brilliant - the second coming of john wooden even - why six years til his first NCAA appearance?

CU was coming out of a lower low when altman was hired as well - the whole thing is baffling

GODTURGGOD!!!!!!

and it would be hard to argue that creighton wouldn't have been in the NIT both last season and several years ago - if not for significant injury issues...

Mark Turgeon came to Wichita State very "wet behind the ears". He had very little head coaching experience where Dana came to CU fresh off a humiliating experience at KSU. Dana is tremendously more experienced than Mark yet still can't claim the all important bragging right of going deep (S16) in the NCAA tournament. However, to be fair, he has never worked for a "sleeping giant" either... :innocent:

It's a great day to be a Shocker!


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[torear]

Man, you BJ's with your injury whining! How long are you going to use that excuse? I swear I have never seen a fanbase whine so much or use what-ifs more than the BJ's this year. Every team can come up with a what-if scenario that would lead them to go undefeated. GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!

Statements like this are all we need to show that you're incapable of a substantive discussion of basketball. Either you're too ignorant of the game that it all flies over your head or your myopic jealousy precludes any acceptance of logic.

Which is why you post your drivel on any thread on this board having to do with Creighton just further proves your immature obsession. Feel free to post the intellectual equivalent of "NO I'M NOT! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALALALA!'

...and I though Husker fans had the market corned on being thick headed.

[blueblood]

No way in hades!! The Shox were spiraling even further downward than they had been before. They had sucked for the entire decade of the 90's and had had three worthless coaches in a row. Numerous player/coach altercations and problems.

Also, isn't it about time CU did something in the tourney? I mean when is just getting there not going to be enough for the vaunted Gonzaga of the midwest? 2 NIT's in the last three years...impressive indeed.


For a long time, many of us were saying WSU sucked. WSU fans disagreed. It appears that we now all agree that WSU sucked for a long long time. Good to see after all the arguing that we can finally agree on something.

[torear]

See, this would be more amusing if we could get the spin straight

"We're the Class of the Valley! No one has the tradition we have!", when Creighton has twice as many MVC titles in significantly less time spent in the league

"Turgeon is the best coach in the Valley!" Never mind six years until an NCAA bid, the second half collapses three years in a row with healthy rosters, etc.

"But we were awful for over 10 years and had three incompetant coaches in a row!" So, whatever happened to WSU's grand tradition that's supposed to make everyone shake in their boots? What tradition laden program takes over a decade off from postseason play?

How bout you all take a break and get your stories straight so you can at least have a fighting shot of making a lick of sense?

[blueblood]

NO.

I wanna stick with the WSU sucked for a long long time.

[C0|db|00ded]

Creighton Trolls 1

WSU Trolls 0

A good day for a BlueJay.

But please understand that I am currently studying for a very important exam and can do little to help maintain the high level readers of this board are accustomed to seeing WSU debaters participate at.


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[MSNSaluki]

Creighton Trolls 1

WSU Trolls 0

A good day for a BlueJay.

But please understand that I am currently studying for a very important exam and can do little to help maintain the high level readers of this board are accustomed to seeing WSU debaters participate at.


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Which exam is that? The Arby's drive-thru crew leader test? Good luck!

[outpost]

Since CU is gonna claim injuries this year.....let's see, we had an injury or two in 1990, one in 1991, '92, '93, '94, '95 and so on all the way through the 1999-2000 season. Some of these injuries actually involved players, too!! John Cooper, John Felter to name a couple.

But we also had injuries involving our head coach......I'm almost certain that I remember Cohen had some sort of disability as he walked the sideline. And whatever it was.....it really hurt our performance, chemistry, post-season chances, etc. etc. etc.

Coach Thompson had cancer, but it wasn't diagnosed until after he departed.

So yeah....injuries of one form or another plagued the Shockers for............oh.........about 10 years during the 1990's.

[LincolnJay]

Since CU is gonna claim injuries this year.....let's see, we had an injury or two in 1990, one in 1991, '92, '93, '94, '95 and so on all the way through the 1999-2000 season. Some of these injuries actually involved players, too!! John Cooper, John Felter to name a couple.

But we also had injuries involving our head coach......I'm almost certain that I remember Cohen had some sort of disability as he walked the sideline. And whatever it was.....it really hurt our performance, chemistry, post-season chances, etc. etc. etc.

Coach Thompson had cancer, but it wasn't diagnosed until after he departed.

So yeah....injuries of one form or another plagued the Shockers for............oh.........about 10 years during the 1990's.

And with all those injuries, how many times did you still win 20 games and end up in the postseason?

[Little Eddie]

Just a painful, painful thread to read. WSU has the Sweet 16 bragging rights which is fine...deserved even. However if you post willy nilly like some, without really thinking first, it gets to be a tad much. I mean the "whine" factor about CU's injuries?? Nobody was whining...they were bringing it up as it was a factor...I won't even get into the who was injured stats as we all know them to be SIGNIFICANT. Some teams get over 1 or 2 guys being injured...5 and 6 guys though?? Starting PG's???

That's fine if you wanna put down what I feel was a successful season considering these SIGNIFICANT injuries but I feel you'd be doing so just to spite.

Some of you are making me wish I would have cheered for Mason when I went to the game...

[CreightonRx]

Just a painful, painful thread to read. WSU has the Sweet 16 bragging rights which is fine...deserved even. However if you post willy nilly like some, without really thinking first, it gets to be a tad much. I mean the "whine" factor about CU's injuries?? Nobody was whining...they were bringing it up as it was a factor...I won't even get into the who was injured stats as we all know them to be SIGNIFICANT. Some teams get over 1 or 2 guys being injured...5 and 6 guys though?? Starting PG's???

That's fine if you wanna put down what I feel was a successful season considering these SIGNIFICANT injuries but I feel you'd be doing so just to spite.

Some of you are making me wish I would have cheered for Mason when I went to the game...

well said LE, this thread is pretty sad. I've just come to accept that WSU fans will post how great they are on just about every thread on this board, they just can't get enough of themselves. During the NCAA's I remember someone on the Creighton board saying something to the effect of "I hope WSU beats Tenn, but they're already annoying fans will be even worse" and that has proven to be very true, even worse than I imagined.

Bradley fans, congratulations on having success (even beating tougher teams than almighty WSU) and knowing how to handle it.

[crjays1]

MKR,

Are you feeling ok?

I just got caught up on the thread, boy you were off your game today. Should have brought in Isaso or Cold for relief, you just got hammered, point after point. LOL

I have been around long enough to know you shake this one off and come back firing tommorrow. I still have faith!

Peace!

[outpost]

Aw, hell, it's the offseason........it's just too bad that your post season ended earlier than ours. That last comment was made in jest, and you're correct in assuming that not much thought was put into it.

If Blue hasn't trademarked the vomit-pic, I'd be happy to insert it right here. But not because I'm unable to handle Sweet 16 success.

I tried to start a "Mid-major unification" thread........if all you want to do is tear each other down, then go for it.

[C0|db|00ded]

well said LE, this thread is pretty sad. I've just come to accept that WSU fans will post how great they are on just about every thread on this board, they just can't get enough of themselves. During the NCAA's I remember someone on the Creighton board saying something to the effect of "I hope WSU beats Tenn, but they're already annoying fans will be even worse" and that has proven to be very true, even worse than I imagined.

Bradley fans, congratulations on having success (even beating tougher teams than almighty WSU) and knowing how to handle it.

During the NCAA's I remember someone on the Creighton board saying something to the effect of "I hope WSU beats Tenn, but they're already annoying fans will be even worse" and that has proven to be very true, even worse than I imagined.


I don't believe that to be the case. If anything, past Shocker regulars have grown quiet, satisfied with the experience of an esteem-bolstering season. I on the other hand am not hampered by mere mortal ego frailties thus you won't see much deviation in my tone and temperament regardless of the circumstances.

"I'm in my prime." -Doc Holliday


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[blueblood]

In regards to this thread and in the words of DaShox and ISASO



Games over...........We won... thank you for playing.

[iSASO]

Have your fun, guys. It will make your fall next season all the more enjoyable. -oops, was that out loud?

*Sound of Lone Ranger Theme*

Hey, can I add your quote to these jewels from last season(note they're both from, you guessed it, Creighton fans):

True BlueJay 2/19/06 7:19pm
“Watching this game yesterday it was amazing to see the glossed over look of the Shocker players. Here they were again, reliving old nightmares. A late season crash. They couldn't believe the hammer that came down on them so hard. They tried to look to the deafly quiet crowd for help, but to no avail. It was just another ugly loss at home for the Shockers. No luck in this game to help them like the luck from their last game. Pure and simple, the Shockers we all know and love were back on the floor, blowing any homecourt advantage they thought they should have had.

It was something to again watch the Shocker players and their coach, hang their head low and slowly waltz out of the Roundhouse. Don't you think they don't know what is coming? Every last player on that team is expecting it now. The dreaded crash & burn at the end of the season. The only real question left for this WSU team is - have they done enough up to now to take them to the promised land? They know the rest of the year is nothing but a free fall.
Oh well....if that cliff is large enough and the NIT comes calling, I know at least one of you who will be jumping for joy!”


Crjays1 2/20/06 5:32am
“The end of the season shocker choke job is starting, it will be fun to watch.”

[crjays1]

Nice quotes but what does that have to do with anything in the thread?

15 minutes tick tock tick tock.....................

[iSASO]

Have your fun, guys. It will make your fall next season all the more enjoyable. -oops, was that out loud?

What does this have to do with the thread?

[Little Eddie]

What does this have to do w/ this thread?? Isaso can attest that the guy on the right actually looks like me a bit...minus the pocket protector jaunce going w/ the shirt.

[Jayfan]

Man, you BJ's with your injury whining! How long are you going to use that excuse? I swear I have never seen a fanbase whine so much or use what-ifs more than the BJ's this year. Every team can come up with a what-if scenario that would lead them to go undefeated. GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!

I don't think that we are whining at all. That is what you call pride. It would have been easy to say whoa is me and throw the season away early. I think we are proud of the players stepping up playing their roles and winning. I will be the first to say, when we lost Funk then Hibma and Motz for awhile, I thought there goes the season. They did a great job of staying focused and winning games. In fact there are games they should have won but didn't because of turnovers poor shot selection etc...

[Jayfan]

It's a good thing that you guys are free of major injuries I can only expect you will light us up this year! Can't wait. Turgeon is the best coach in the MVC now so I guess we can expect to be joining evansville, and Drake in the doormat district of the MVC. Wow maybe after WSU's Ten year run of dominance we will have a chance to beat them. (22-4) Gosh can't wait. Why don't you guys post your own thread about how good Mr. T is so we can talk about our recruits. I always used to hate when my lil brother tagged along and tried to interupt me while I was having a conversation with my friends.

[iSASO]

OK, I don't want to see you joining any conversation involving a Sweet 16 then.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

MKR,

Are you feeling ok?

I just got caught up on the thread, boy you were off your game today. Should have brought in Isaso or Cold for relief, you just got hammered, point after point. LOL

I have been around long enough to know you shake this one off and come back firing tommorrow. I still have faith!

Peace!

This from the brainiac that gave us this comment?

Crjays1 2/20/06 5:32am
“The end of the season shocker choke job is starting, it will be fun to watch.”

[kyyle23]

This from the brainiac that gave us this comment?
Crjays1 2/20/06 5:32am
“The end of the season shocker choke job is starting, it will be fun to watch.”

Well just because it didnt happen this season doesnt mean it wasnt fun to watch the previous 5 seasons :lol:

[crjays1]

Brainiac?

Personal attacks are not like you!

Someone a little bitter about yesterday?

I am so glad that WSU fans care so much about my opinion, that they post my quotes from three months ago.

Those comments must have really hit a nerve. I guess the truth hurts!

By the way have you beaten Gearge Mason yet? We have!

Next year, on ESPN and once again when shocker nation has a national audience please do not piss it down your leg.(Isaso: remember this one and you can quote it later on when you seems it will make you look better/or just bitter).

Peace

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Brainiac?

Personal attacks are not like you!

Someone a little bitter about yesterday?

I am so glad that WSU fans care so much about my opinion, that they post my quotes from three months ago.

Those comments must have really hit a nerve. I guess the truth hurts!

By the way have you beaten Gearge Mason yet? We have!

Next year, on ESPN and once again when shocker nation has a national audience please do not piss it down your leg.(Isaso: remember this one and you can quote it later on when you seems it will make you look better/or just bitter).

Peace

Get back to me when CU makes a sweet 16 under Altman.

[crjays1]

Tick Tock Tick Tock

[MikeKennedyRulz]

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[3ontheway]

22-4. Just think, it took that miracle of a performance from Bricklayer Brier to win that game against a CU team without Funk and its starting PG who played 30 minutes a game. Brier had been, I think, about 3-25 from behind the arc in the 7 or so games leading up to that one. Congrats on the Sweet 16 and having the best coach on the planet.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

22-4. Just think, it took that miracle of a performance from Bricklayer Brier to win that game against a CU team without Funk and its starting PG who played 30 minutes a game. Brier had been, I think, about 3-25 from behind the arc in the 7 or so games leading up to that one. Congrats on the Sweet 16 and having the best coach on the planet.

Imagine that, a BJ fan making excuses. I never would have predicted that to happen. :no:

[Bird]

Not sure where the excuse is in that statement. The fact is it took a miracle shot by your PG to beat CU without its starting backcourt in WSU. He was just pointing out the facts. If WSU is so great, surely you should be able to run away in the almighty Koch from a team that was missing its starting backcourt.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

So, was it a miracle shot by Tolliver in Omaha? Or was that a clutch shot?

[Jayfan]

Get back to me when CU makes a sweet 16 under Altman.

Do you just copy and paste that from a word file over and over again? Yeah we havent won a Sweet Sixteen you have! HUGE accomplishment! Thats almost like winning a national championship or something. Did they give you an I lost to George Mason but made it to the sweet Sixteen Trophy or something?? Mike grow up be proud of your school and after you have 10 years of dominance in basketball come back post a thread, and I will worship the ground the shockers walk on! Until then find something else the Jays have yet to do. Because if we wanted to start listing things the jays have accomplished against things the shockers have accomplished in basketball, Our list would be longer.

[Jayfan]

OK, I don't want to see you joining any conversation involving a Sweet 16 then.

No problem I will wait to talk about the elite eight.

[3ontheway]

So, was it a miracle shot by Tolliver in Omaha? Or was that a clutch shot?


Did you even watch the games? Tolliver, 12 foot baseline shot, Brier 21 footer. Brier 29% 3 Pt FG shooter, Tolliver 52% from the field.

So yes, it was just a clutch shot.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Did you even watch the games? Tolliver, 12 foot baseline shot, Brier 21 footer. Brier 29% 3 Pt FG shooter, Tolliver 52% from the field.

So yes, it was just a clutch shot.

Do you know if MB made any other "miracle" shots in any other games? You think it was a miracle because it broke all the little BJ hearts and ended their hopes and dreams. The look on the face of the BJ coach in this pic says it all:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/mbrayfield/381740_320x320_mb_art_R0.jpg

[3ontheway]

"I can't believe that brick layer of a shooter just buried that shot at the buzzer." Sigh. Who cares? He made it, hell of a (miracle) shot. That CU was even competing with the like of WSU in the Koch temple of doom (healthy or unhealthy) was also a miracle.

Also, that Altman could devise a game plan to keep CU in a position to win against the best coach on the planet, in that terrifying environment, was the biggest miracle of all.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

"I can't believe that brick layer of a shooter just buried that shot at the buzzer." Sigh. Who cares? He made it, hell of a (miracle) shot. That CU was even competing with the like of WSU in the Koch temple of doom (healthy or unhealthy) was also a miracle.

Also, that Altman could devise a game plan to keep CU in a position to win against the best coach on the planet, in that terrifying environment, was the biggest miracle of all.

Couldn't agree more. I think it is a testament to DA that he was able to compete with the Shox. I mean you guys were down to the team manager and ball boy playing the perimeter at that point. It is amazing what CU was able to accomplish with a team full of walk-ons. I mean, every player who had any talent got hurt last year, right?

[3ontheway]

PG=most important player on the floor (arguably)

If you didn't notice a big drop off in CU's play since JD was out, you are what I suspect you to be.

[outpost]

No problem I will wait to talk about the elite eight.


tic toc tic toc.......

[MikeKennedyRulz]

tic toc tic toc.......


:lol: :lol: :clap: :clap: :banana: :banana:


:jays: :jays: :jays: :jays:

[torear]

Couldn't agree more. I think it is a testament to DA that he was able to compete with the Shox. I mean you guys were down to the team manager and ball boy playing the perimeter at that point. It is amazing what CU was able to accomplish with a team full of walk-ons. I mean, every player who had any talent got hurt last year, right?

Obviously, we need to type slower so MKR can follow...

Maybe with all the baseball avatar, you're confusing the two sports? One has 5 players on the court at any one time with maybe 13 total on the roster. One has 9 on the field at once and a roster of upwards of 25.

There's one person on this thread whose trying to argue that losing a starting point guard and a preseason All-American should have no bearing on a team's success.

... and the funny this is, that's the one that's trying to tell everyone else they're not making sense.

Go ask God Turgeon if he thinks he would have made it as far as he did if you take Ogirri and Miller out of the lineup.

But, feel free to continue making an a** out of yourself. It's quite hilarious.

[outpost]

Torear, are you trying to say that if you type too fast you're risking injury?

God, that would be a travesty for all the CU posters to lose out on your contributions. I mean.....who are the last second "miracle" posts going to come from if you have to sit out?

Excuse me, I meant "clutch" posts, not miracle posts......

Take care of those fingers, I'd hate to start hearing even more excuses coming from Omaha.