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SalukiProf
03-04-2006, 10:41 AM
A team-by-team breakdown:

Northern Iowa [23-8]; RPI 21; SOS 39; 8-6 vs RPI top 50; 1 bad loss [158 - Indiana State]; Out of conference RPI 4, SOS 36; 5-5 down the stretch; 10-5 Rd/Neutral.

Analysis: Comfortably in even with a loss against SIU. Despite the awful stretch run, there will not be many better at-large resumes than this, whatever the morons on ESPN's college gameday have to say.

Wichita State [24-7]; RPI 24; SOS 59; 6-7 vs RPI top 50; no bad losses; Out of conference RPI 62, SOS 78; 7-3 down the stretch; 10-5 Rd/Neutral.

Analysis: No blemishes on the resume - even with a loss against Bradley, WSU is as clear as locks get.

Missouri State [20-8]; RPI 25; SOS 45; 4-8 vs RPI top 50; no bad losses; Out of conference RPI 6, SOS 51; 8-2 down the stretch; 8-6 Rd/Neutral.

Analysis: Like UNI, Missouri State is comfortably in. The only negative is the record vs. RPI top 50, but this is mitigated by their lack of bad losses.

Creighton [19-9]; RPI 36; SOS 53; 6-6 vs RPI top 50; 2 bad losses [Chattanooga 176, Illinois State 226]; Out of conference RPI 24, SOS 84; 6-4 down the stretch; 5-8 Rd/Neutral.

Analysis: On the right side of the bubble - but will probably be forced to sweat things out until all of the 11 seeds are announced on Selection Sunday. The bad losses were early enough that they will not matter a great deal, and the Rd/Neutral record is close enough to 500 that a team with 6 wins vs the RPI top 50 will not be left out - despite not reaching 20 wins.

Bradley [19-9]; RPI 37; SOS 61; 6-5 vs RPI top 50; 3 bad losses [Loyola Chicago 137, Drake 174, Indiana State 158]; Out of conference RPI 41, SOS 134; 8-2 down the stretch; 6-8 Rd/Neutral.

Analysis: If selection sunday was today, Bradley would be in. The only negatives are the three bad losses and the Rd/Neutral record. There are also rocking down the stretch with the return of a key player. A win versus Wichita State today puts them in, while a loss would leave them on the bubble - and probably on the wrong side of it.

Southern Illinois [20-10]; RPI 44; SOS 71; 6-4 vs RPI top 50; 4 bad losses [Alaska-Anchorage (DII); Monmouth 172; Indiana State 158; Evansville 191]; Out of conference RPI 69, SOS 109; 5-5 down the stretch; 9-7 Rd/Neutral.

Analysis: This is a classic example of a bubbleicious resume as a result of bad losses, weak scheduling, and poor performance down the stretch. On my judgement we would NOT be in were today selection sunday. Furthermore, were SIU to lose today, we would do damage to all the other MVC resumes, as it would likely result in SIU dropping out of the RPI top 50. A win today would put SIU on the bubble as a result of its RPI top 50 and Rd/Neutral records, but not neccesarily on the right side of it. In other words, we need to win the tourney!


A final note to those who are pessimistic about the Selection Committee - I do not think we have anything to worry about - it is far more a matter of folklore than history that they have ****** the MVC in the past. Three MVC bubble teams from recent years illustrate this well:

Southern Illinois 2002 26-7 (received at-large bid)
RPI 50; SOS 154; 3-2 vs RPI top 50; 4 bad losses [Colorado State 162, Wichita State 167, Northern Iowa 168, SW Missouri State 145]; Out of conference RPI 38, SOS 136; 7-3 down the stretch; 13-7 Rd/Neutral.

Northern Iowa 2005 20-10 (received at-large bid)
RPI 37; SOS 74; 2-6 vs RPI top 50; 3 bad losses [Evansville 218, Bradley 142, Drake 146]; Out of conference RPI 19, SOS 118; 7-3 down the stretch; 8-8 Rd/Neutral.

Wichita State 2005 20-9 (no at-large bid)
RPI 45; SOS 88; 2-6 vs RPI top 50; 3 bad losses [Manhattan 187, Indiana State 202, Bradley 142]; Out of conference RPI 79, SOS 217; 4-6 down the stretch; 9-6 Rd/Neutral.

The resume's of each of the MVC teams, with the exception of SIU, compare FAVOURABLY with those of SIU 2002 and UNI 2005. Last year, Wichita State gave the committee SUBSTANTIVE reasons to leave them out, rather than reasons of mere perception.


The only real candidate for a recent MVC snubbee is SW Missouri State in 2000, but their resume from that year does not look nearly as good as, say, that of Bradley this year as a result of top 50 wins.

SW Missouri State 2000 22-10 (no at-large bid)
RPI 34; SOS 60; 2-4 vs RPI top 50; 4 bad losses [Missouri Kansas City 218, Illinois State 209, Bradley 110, Wichita State 184]; Out of conference RPI 41, SOS 28; 9-1 down the stretch; 10-8 Rd/Neutral.

We need to consider, however, that this came in a year when Indiana State DID get in with a bubbleicious resume:

Indiana State 2000 22-9 (received at-large bid)
RPI 47; SOS 100; 2-2 vs RPI top 50; 3 bad losses [George Washington 120, Austin Peay 153, Bradley 110]; Out of conference RPI 97, SOS 155; 6-4 down the stretch; 10-8 Rd/Neutral.

Even SIU's resume looks good compared to this. In other words, don't worry, be happy - UNI, WSU, and MSU are in, Creighton is on the right side of the bubble, Bradley could put themselves there, and an SIU win in the tourney could still give us 6 bids.


GO BRAVES!

GO VALLEY!

GO DAWGS!

kabullseye
03-04-2006, 10:48 AM
Talk about your homework. Thanks!

Aargh
03-04-2006, 11:46 AM
Outstanding analysis.

Better researched and more accurate than the talking heads in the meida provide.

mproviz
03-04-2006, 05:29 PM
I don't think that the tournament could have gone better as far as getting the maximum amount of bids possible. I agree with most points of the previous analysis, but I think that BU needs to win the tourney more than SIU to be considered. After the results today, I really think 6 bids is starting to become a real possiblity. I didn't want to lose to BU today, but as far as the valley goes, it was a great win.

Hooloovoo
03-04-2006, 06:52 PM
I don't think that the tournament could have gone better as far as getting the maximum amount of bids possible. I agree with most points of the previous analysis, but I think that BU needs to win the tourney more than SIU to be considered. After the results today, I really think 6 bids is starting to become a real possiblity. I didn't want to lose to BU today, but as far as the valley goes, it was a great win.

The Valley teams might have done the rights things to get 6 teams in, but the rest of the NCAA must not have gotten the memo. Cincinnati beat WVU, improving their resume, Rhode Island beat Dayton (Dayton win would have helped Creighton's RPI), A&M plasters Tech, firming up their bubble status, Notre Dame beat Depaul (which probably puts ND back on the bubble thanks to their glorified status in college sports and hurts both CU and BU's RPIs), etc. And don't forget the results from yesterday. The "massive planetary realignment" that was called for to prevent the Jays from dancing might be happening.

The next week is going to be rough watching and waiting. This is a feeling I'm not used to. Every other year since I've started following Creighton I knew exactly where the Jays were as soon as their last game was finished in the Valley tourney.

skinny_uncle
03-04-2006, 06:58 PM
Notre Dame has an RPI of 88, a 15-12 record and a 3-10 record against the top 50. If they Dance, the whole process is a joke. You've been listening to Digger too much.

Hooloovoo
03-04-2006, 07:01 PM
Notre Dame has an RPI of 88, a 15-12 record and a 3-10 record against the top 50. If they Dance, the whole process is a joke. You've been listening to Digger too much.

Remember, "glorified status in college sports." And remember, they are the in Big East, the end-all, be-all, "most spectacular conference ever created that should get every team in the dance and get a bye into the Sweet 16 just because they are the Big East." I certainly don't think they deserve to be in the conversation, but they will be. How many Valley teams do I think deserve an invite to the dance? At least 5, maybe 6. How many do I think will happen? 4. I will continue to have zero confidence in the NCAA committee until proven otherwise.

skinny_uncle
03-04-2006, 07:11 PM
and ND is 6-10 in the Big East.
Sorry I left that part out.

Hail Red & White
03-04-2006, 07:40 PM
and ND is 6-10 in the Big East.
Sorry I left that part out.

Yeah, but they lost all of their games on the last possession (or some such nonsense) :p! Good teams are supposed to win games like that. The only way the Irish get in is to win the Big East Tournament. If that happens, the basketball gods really do have a sick sense of humor ;)!

AcePurple
03-04-2006, 07:44 PM
There is ZERO chance ND gets in. But your point is still valid, there are plenty of other mediocre looking BCS schools we should be scared of (FSU, Seton Hall, Syracuse to name a few).

Hooloovoo
03-04-2006, 07:45 PM
Yeah, but they lost all of their games on the last possession (or some such nonsense) :p! Good teams are supposed to win games like that. The only way the Irish get in is to win the Big East Tournament. If that happens, the basketball gods really do have a sick sense of humor ;)!

Based upon the lunacy of this year, ND will win the Big East tournament and Kansas freaking State will win the Big 12. Gonzaga will get bumped in the first round of the WCC tourney, and Purdue will win the Big 10 tourney. Then the pigs start flying and the constant bickering stops on Valleytalk for 17 minutes.

Hooloovoo
03-04-2006, 07:55 PM
There is ZERO chance ND gets in. But your point is still valid, there are plenty of other mediocre looking BCS schools we should be scared of (FSU, Seton Hall, Syracuse to name a few).

The strange thing is, Syracuse has a decent RPI (35 according to Ken Pom) while Seton Hall is sitting at 49. And Florida State has a 55. And which team looks best for the NCAA? Of course, it's FSU. :confused: Oh wait, I forgot, they fluked a win over Duke and have a non-conference SOS at 317, so they get in without question. (FYI, their best non-conference win was over NEBRASKA.) And UAB is apparently sitting pretty with an RPI of 45. My head hurts.

I know there are many factors that come into play, but come on! This year is screwy!

Hail Red & White
03-04-2006, 08:02 PM
Yes, it's screwy alright. When the last NCAA RPI list comes out, it won't tell us much except which teams the Valley contenders need to root for in the coming week. If FSU for instance, plays and beats Virginia Tech or Wake forest in the ACC first round, sure it's a win, but is it really valuable to boost their RPI by enough. I think they might need two wins and make the ACC semi's to really improve their stock. It was bad enough trying to figure this stuff out for the Missouri Valley this weekend. Can you imagine trying to do it for another 8 or 10 conferences loaded with bubble teams? I agree. My head hurts too!

AcePurple
03-04-2006, 08:10 PM
From ESPN's Bubble Watch:
"San Diego State [19-8 (13-3), RPI: 63, SOS: 127] Clinched the sole MWC title by beating Wyoming at home. Is that enough? I would think so. The overall profile is soft, but the team is healthy and whole now and, historically, the MWC champ always gets a bid. Aztecs just need a win in the MWC tourney so the committee doesn't have a huge excuse to omit them."

We deserve 6 in before mediocrity like this.... Just another reminder that we should not "expect" 5 bids.