Nebraska's Spinelli to take job at WSU?

[shockerfan13]

That's what's being reported so far. Interesting if true, pretty impressive hire. This guy is known as quite a recruiter.

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2006/04/27/huskerextra/doc4450602c78516967893194.txt

[MikeKennedyRulz]

NM, somebody beat me to it.

[shockerfan13]

Ok, ignore my post about this....LOL ;)

[CreightonRx]

wow, very very good hire. I've seen him speak live and he is very personable, easy to see why he's one of the best recruiters in the game. Pretty much every good recruit NU has gotten came via Spinelli. NU's problem is that Collier is too dumb to use the talent in any way shape or form.

I have to say I don't see why he would take what would appear to be a step down in terms of a coaching move. Not saying WSU isn't better than NU, b/c they are, but with MT's new contract Spinelli isn't getting himself in line to be the next head coach, and you see more BCS assistants getting good head coaching jobs than mid-major assistant. Perhaps he wants to learn under MT, if true, that speaks volumes as to what kind of respect MT has in the coaching community.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

You stole my thunder...now prepare to die!!!! :grin:

Surely a coach at "major" "BCS" school would not take the same job at a lowly MVC school. I love it, he is regarded as the Skers top recruiter. Hopefully he won't bring cancer like McCray to WSU, but I like the hire. I think Turg and Spinelli worked together with the 76ers, when Spinelli was a scout and Turg was an assistant coach.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

wow, very very good hire. I've seen him speak live and he is very personable, easy to see why he's one of the best recruiters in the game. Pretty much every good recruit NU has gotten came via Spinelli. NU's problem is that Collier is too dumb to use the talent in any way shape or form.

I have to say I don't see why he would take what would appear to be a step down in terms of a coaching move. Not saying WSU isn't better than NU, b/c they are, but with MT's new contract Spinelli isn't getting himself in line to be the next head coach, and you see more BCS assistants getting good head coaching jobs than mid-major assistant. Perhaps he wants to learn under MT, if true, that speaks volumes as to what kind of respect MT has in the coaching community.

He probably wants to keep his job longer than one more year, which is probably all Collier has left. :lol:

[shockerfan13]

wow, very very good hire. I've seen him speak live and he is very personable, easy to see why he's one of the best recruiters in the game. Pretty much every good recruit NU has gotten came via Spinelli. NU's problem is that Collier is too dumb to use the talent in any way shape or form.

I have to say I don't see why he would take what would appear to be a step down in terms of a coaching move. Not saying WSU isn't better than NU, b/c they are, but with MT's new contract Spinelli isn't getting himself in line to be the next head coach, and you see more BCS assistants getting good head coaching jobs than mid-major assistant. Perhaps he wants to learn under MT, if true, that speaks volumes as to what kind of respect MT has in the coaching community.


It's probably frustrating to be the main guy bringing in the talent only to see a coach waste it away LOL.

[CreightonRx]

what's really going to be a plus for your recruiting is not only is a very good recruiter in terms of his charisma, etc....but he's going to add a whole region to an area you guys don't usually tap for recruits. You guys already do well in your usual areas, but he has extensive contacts along the east coast, especially NYC, areas that aren't exactly void of talent.

If he can sell the NU program - no NCAA in 10 or so years, Collier has never had a winning record in the big xii, and they averaged like 4,000 per game in a old arena, in a school where football is god and even baseball gets more attention than the hoops program (don't quote me on these numbers, but they're pretty close)- to blue chip players from the east coast, imagine what he's going to be able to sell coming off a sweet 16 and a sold out Koch arena.

As annoying as SOME of you WSU fans are, I agree that it's a great day to be a shocker. (not that it's not a great day to be a CU fan either:original: )
:valley:

[torear]

It's not a step down. WSU is a better job than Nebraska.

For the (relative few) Husker basketball apologists, Spinelli was the one reason to have hope. He's been nearly solely responsbile for the recruiting classes NU has brought in the last couple of years.

Kudos to the Shockers though. You just drove the last stake in the heart of Husker basketball fan. :-)

[mid-major fan]

It is pretty much understood that Collier almost lost his job this year and that next year will be his last if Nebraska doesn't have a winning season. I would assume that is the reason for the job switch. Spinelli may want to stay in the Midwest.

[LincolnJay]

Great hire by WSU!

He is one heck of a recruiter and I believe Turgeon has the rocks to reel him in when he gets a little over the top and brings a problem child to the table like a Joe McCray. Collier has no stones and allowed Spinelli to bring anything into the program that had bball talent which has led to poor chemistry. As stated, I don't see Turgeon allowing that.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

what's really going to be a plus for your recruiting is not only is a very good recruiter in terms of his charisma, etc....but he's going to add a whole region to an area you guys don't usually tap for recruits. You guys already do well in your usual areas, but he has extensive contacts along the east coast, especially NYC, areas that aren't exactly void of talent.

If he can sell the NU program - no NCAA in 10 or so years, Collier has never had a winning record in the big xii, and they averaged like 4,000 per game in a old arena, in a school where football is god and even baseball gets more attention than the hoops program (don't quote me on these numbers, but they're pretty close)- to blue chip players from the east coast, imagine what he's going to be able to sell coming off a sweet 16 and a sold out Koch arena.

As annoying as SOME of you WSU fans are, I agree that it's a great day to be a shocker. (not that it's not a great day to be a CU fan either:original: )
:valley:

The opening back up of the East Coast could be big for the Shox with Spinelli. WSU lost its ties to the East when Jean Prileau left a couple of years ago to go to Marquette (and now Iowa State). He was the WSU assistant with ties to the East. He helped bring in some of the early recruits for Turg. Now, hopefully this region will open back up for the Shox.


:shockers: :valley:

[iSASO]

the sleeping giant reaches another level of alertness.

[LincolnJay]

the sleeping giant reaches another level of alertness.

The expected a-hole behavior kicks in again.

[blueblood]

the sleeping giant reaches another level of alertness.

http://www.pukeplanet.com/pukeimages/toilet_puke.jpg

[Shox21]

As annoying as SOME of you WSU fans are, I agree that it's a great day to be a shocker. (not that it's not a great day to be a CU fan either:original: )
:valley:

Some are annoying, but there are a lot of us that are really very loveable.:lol:

[shocker3]

Hopefully taking Spinelli from UNL will help the Bluejays maintain their total dominance over UNL.:valley: :shockers:

[torear]

Good heavens, blueblood, that's disgusting.

CU outrecruited UNL this year. If anything, this'll harken back to those halcyon days of 11 win seasons for the Corn and finishing dead last in the Big XII.

[shocker3]

It's nice to see a coach leave a BCS program and go to a Valley School.:valley: :shockers:

[blueblood]

Not as disgusting as ISASO's idol worship. Really ISASO, give it a break.

[shockerfan13]

Good heavens, blueblood, that's disgusting.

CU outrecruited UNL this year. If anything, this'll harken back to those halcyon days of 11 win seasons for the Corn and finishing dead last in the Big XII.


Well I sure hope you outrecruited Nebraska. Bottom fish in the BigXII. But for as much as they have sucked they have gotten some decent players....just a coach who can't develop or coach talent LOL.

[C0|db|00ded]

Considering that Mark Turgeon has become arguably the best recruiter in the Valley would this even be fair? With Mark's penchant for uncovering diamonds in the rough and Spinelli's east coast connections, things could get out of hand in this little league of Jesuits and directionals.

In light of being the financial "Class of the Valley" we should be able to provide Mr. Spin plenty of dough to go out and hunt some foxes!


It's a great day to be a Shocker!


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[shockerfan13]

Considering that Mark Turgeon has become arguably the best recruiter in the Valley would this even be fair? With Mark's penchant for uncovering diamonds in the rough and Spinelli's east coast connections, things could get out of hand in this little league of Jesuits and directionals.

In light of being the financial "Class of the Valley" we should be able to provide Mr. Spin plenty of dough to go out and hunt some foxes!


It's a great day to be a Shocker!


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Wonder if you catch any big ones today......

[blueblood]

http://www.pukeplanet.com/pukeimages/toilet_puke.jpg

[Shox21]

Blueblood - Really wish you would find another way to express your feelings. This is REALLY getting disgusting.

[torear]

Spinelli hasn't brought in kids to Lincoln any better than what CU or WSU's been getting.

Be wary of one thing. UNL doesn't produce, pound for pound, more BS about anything like they do about recruiting. In any sport. They did it before Spinelli got there (Wes Wilkinson is going to save the program. Nate Johnson is the next Iverson), did it with him there, and will likely do it once he's gone.

Spinelli's a good coach and recruiter, but he's not God's gift to basketball recruiting just because idiots in South Stadium in Lincoln say so. I wouldn't trade Coach Fish for him.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good hire for WSU. He complements the success that's already been going on down there and regardless of what he does down there, it's a nice statement to have an assistant in the Big XII leave for a Valley school... to still be an assistant. That and there's no better comedy than seeing Corn fan try and spin this.

[shockerfan13]

According to the OWH it's not official yet.....

BY LEE BARFKNECHT

LINCOLN - Scott Spinelli, Nebraska's associate head basketball coach, declined to say Thursday morning whether he will take an assistant coaching job at Wichita State.

"As of today, anything that is said regarding that situation is pure speculation. And that's the truth,'' Spinelli said by phone from North Carolina, to which he added, "I'm here recruiting for Nebraska.''

"On the record, that's the best thing I can say.''

Three sources close to NU basketball told The World-Herald late Wednesday and early Thursday that Spinelli will leave NU for Wichita State of the Missouri Valley Conference.

One source said Spinelli visited WSU this week and already has a starting date for his new job - May 8.

Marc Boehm, Nebraska's executive associate athletic director, said that Spinelli hadn't resigned as of late Thursday morning.

"Nothing is official,'' said Boehm, who oversees basketball. "We may know more later today.''

Wichita State coach Mark Turgeon was in meetings Thursday morning and not immediately available for comment. Turgeon is seeking a replacement for associate head coach Tad Boyle, who left to become head coach at Northern Colorado.

For Spinelli, going from an assistant's job at Nebraska to an assistant at Wichita State would be a lateral move in coaching duties and a drop in conference strength from a BCS league to a non-BCS league.

Why might he leave for such circumstances? One explanation is that Spinelli's boss, Nebraska head coach Barry Collier, has been under fire for two years.

Spinelli, when asked if he has been pursuing other jobs, said:

"No. I'm not out actively looking for anything. When people call, you always listen. But I'm not looking. I never was looking, except for some head coaching positions, but that was earlier on.''

Spinelli was a finalist for the head coaching job at the University of Hartford. He also is believed to have interviewed with Texas-San Antonio.

Since Spinelli arrived at Nebraska three years ago, he has been highly praised for opening a pipeline into East Coast prep schools and signing players ranked by national recruiting analysts.

Among his signees were guard Joe McCray, an honorable mention All-Big 12 pick in 2005 who was kicked off the team in 2006; center Aleks Maric, an honorable mention pick in 2006; and guard Jamel White, a Big 12 all-freshman team selection in 2006.

Of the 12 players on scholarship for next season, Spinelli has been the main recruiter for seven - Maric, White, Kyle Marks, Jim Ledsome, Toni Soda, Ryan Anderson and Roburt(cq) Sallie.

Spinelli is in the first year of a two-year contract at Nebraska with a base salary of $123,600.

Spinelli also gets $10,000 annually from the University of Nebraska Foundation and $10,000 annually from the school's athletic shoe and apparel contract. His contract contains no penalty for resignation.

[ten~39]

[snip]That and there's no better comedy than seeing Corn fan try and spin this.

Actually, a lot of the fusker posters over on one of their largest boards are being pretty respectful of MVC/WSU with regards to this news.

http://65.98.70.3/vbbs/showthread.php?t=38775

[stormpanther5012]

Id have to say he moved to WSU so that he could coach at a school that actually has a chance at A) Getting to the Dance, B) Winning a Game), and C) producing a quality coaching resume. NU does not offer that, Ive had season tickets the last two years as a grad student here, its ugly hoops to watch kids.

My opinion good move for Spinelli.

[Shox21]

Could be he's thinking that MT will only be at WSU a year or two and he would be in line to take over. OR he could be thinking that being an asst head coach at a team that can get to the Dance (rather than one that can only get to the middle of the road in their own conference) would be a faster stepping off place to get a head coaching job on down the line. Hope it's a good move for both Spinelli and WSU.

[DaShox]

Oh my.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

?

[Canevision]

It's nice to see a coach leave a BCS program and go to a Valley School.:valley: :shockers:

Ben Miller left Kansas to be an assistant at MSU a few years back. Assitants move all the time to try and move up the coaching seat ladder (read: closer to the HC seat).

[cuhoops]

Spinelli after one year at WSU



"I went from losing to Creighton once a year to losing to Creighton twice a year."


Before you get your panties in a bunch, clod and isaso, I know CU and WSU split the series.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Ben Miller left Kansas to be an assistant at MSU a few years back. Assitants move all the time to try and move up the coaching seat ladder (read: closer to the HC seat).

True, but Spinelli is going from Associate Head Coach at NU to Associate Head Coach at WSU. He is going from the top assistant at NU to the top assistant at WSU. A lateral move.

[CreightonRx]

Spinelli is in the first year of a two-year contract at Nebraska with a base salary of $123,600.

Spinelli also gets $10,000 annually from the University of Nebraska Foundation and $10,000 annually from the school's athletic shoe and apparel contract. His contract contains no penalty for resignation.

Can WSU match that salary of $140,000? That seems like quite a bit for an assistant. Or he could always have taken a decent sized paycut, what a slap in the face that would be for Collier and NU!

[MSNSaluki]

this is the second-funniest $hiit i've read on this board today.

[torear]

Most Husker fans are rationalizing it thinking Turgeon's going to be gone in a year or so and Spinelli must be setting himself to take over (almost Painter-like).

Sure. Whatever makes you all sleep at night.

With Turgeon's contract, unless KU opens up next year (I highly doubt it), I can't see him going anywhere any time soon- and that makes this that much more delicious.

[SubGod22]

Lateral in position title only. We all know it's a step up in programs. NU is horrible and Collier should have been fired 5 years ago.

[BlueDude]

Still speculative according to the Spinoma World Herald (Friday).

[shockerfan13]

Still speculative according to the Spinoma World Herald (Friday).


True, but alot of dodging on both sides with some of their comments. Just have to wait and see.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

They are just being PC until an agreement has been reached and an official statement can be made.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Id have to say he moved to WSU so that he could coach at a school that actually has a chance at A) Getting to the Dance, B) Winning a Game), and C) producing a quality coaching resume. NU does not offer that, Ive had season tickets the last two years as a grad student here, its ugly hoops to watch kids.

My opinion good move for Spinelli.

Stormy -

Let me know if you want to sell your tickets to next year's NU - Creighton game. :naughty:

[ten~39]

Looks like it's official. Spinelli to WSU.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=2159750

Nebraska associate head basketball coach Scott Spinelli said in an interview Friday afternoon that he is leaving after three years to become an assistant coach at Wichita State.


Scott Spinelli

Spinelli said the move was done with two things in mind - taking care of his family and helping him reach his goal of becoming a head coach.

"This is going to put me in a position where we believe I can reach that path (of becoming a head coach)," he said. "And Coach (Mark) Turgeon at Wichita State has a 10-year contract. With me having two babies just out of diapers and one in diapers, looking out for the best interests of my family, this was a no-brainer."

From a job standpoint, the duties are a lateral move. And in conference strength, Nebraska is in a BCS league (Big 12) while Wichita State is in the Missouri Valley. But Spinelli said he sees this as a growth move.

"I don't see this as a lateral move," he said. "With what Coach Turgeon has done there and looking at Wichita State, they've got an excellent program.

"I'm coming from the Big 12, but we know how strong the Missouri Valley is."

[MikeKennedyRulz]

"I don't see this as a lateral move," he said. "With what Coach Turgeon has done there and looking at Wichita State, they've got an excellent program.

"I'm coming from the Big 12, but we know how strong the Missouri Valley is."


Wow, that is gonna bruise some Little XII egos. Everything he said is correct. More stability and a better program. Easy decision.

[torear]

It's been said a lot in this thread, but it's really hard to fully grasp how hilarious this is for us Creighton fans.

Ever since that man arrived in Lincoln, Scott Spinelli was the one sole reason the 12 Nebraska basketball fans had even the faintest sliver of hope.

Props to you, WuShock, for crushing that last silver lining for Nebrasketball.

[GarH]

This is great for WSU and some more good publicity for the MVC. It looks good for a Big-12 coach to leave a BCS school to go to a Valley school. Too many times in the past it's gone the other way.


:shockers: :valley:

[C0|db|00ded]

Spinelli must have heard my reports on WSU being the "Financial Class of the Valley" and decided to come on down for a piece of the big 'ol Shocker Pie!


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[Bird]

He's actually taking a pretty good pay cut as well - hilarious for us that can't stand the Huskers!!

[C0|db|00ded]

He's actually taking a pretty good pay cut as well - hilarious for us that can't stand the Huskers!!

He's actually taking a pretty good pay cut as well

Most likely.. not. 100k is only his "base" pay.


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[DaShox]

That's gotta hurt, leaving the "mighty" Big12 to be another branch in Turg's coaching tree. This is called capitalizing on NCAA success. I hope Bradley can do the same. Feel free to mass e-mail this to Billy Packer and Gary Williams.

http://www.goshockers.com/article.aspx?ID=3802

[CreightonRx]

It's been said a lot in this thread, but it's really hard to fully grasp how hilarious this is for us Creighton fans.

Ever since that man arrived in Lincoln, Scott Spinelli was the one sole reason the 12 Nebraska basketball fans had even the faintest sliver of hope.

Props to you, WuShock, for crushing that last silver lining for Nebrasketball.

LOL, it just got worse for the big red. Aleks "I had 0 pts and 3 rebounds against Creighton" Maric is declaring for the NBA draft! Sorry this is a little off topic but I can't help enjoy the demise of our cocky instate rival.

http://www.draftexpress.com/dedaily.php?p=653

[outpost]

Now if only we could all help turn the tide back against the Fuskers in baseball again.........

:valley: :shockers: :jays:

(and "go" to hell, NU)

[ten~39]

Now if only we could all help turn the tide back against the Fuskers in baseball again.........

:valley: :shockers: :jays:

(and "go" to hell, NU)

You mean the tide that has allowed them that stellar CWS record of 1-5.:doh:

CWS speaking, the fuskers are nothing but MSU with a couple of extra appearances due to generous seeding and easy tournament brackets.

UNL has a LONG, LONG way to go before they can hold a candle to WSU's long-term success.

[CUJay]

I am hearing that Spinelli's contract provides for him to assume the head coach position if Turgeon leaves. Anyone else heard this?

[Chairman of the Boards]

LOL! :lol: Nothing more than BCS spin.

[shockball]

I am hearing that Spinelli's contract provides for him to assume the head coach position if Turgeon leaves. Anyone else heard this?

This is the first I've heard of this. BCSBS

[outpost]

V GodSpinelliGod V

http://webs.wichita.edu/gs/basketball/spin_small.jpg

Sorry, couldn't resist...:original:

[SubGod22]

100k is his base pay. But I read where 143k was his base pay in Lincoln

[iSASO]

What coup for Mark Turgeon!
Spinelli wanted to be a part of the Shocker Nation and glean knowledge from the reigning Coach of the Year so badly he'd take a cut in base pay.

The sleeping giant grows more conscious every day.

[CreightonRx]

100k is his base pay. But I read where 143k was his base pay in Lincoln

not to be overly detailed but 143 was his total compensation with 123 base and 20 from other things. The only reason I say this is I believe I posted 143 earlier in the thread w/o being very clear.

[MSNSaluki]

Spinelli must have heard my reports on WSU being the "Financial Class of the Valley" and decided to come on down for a piece of the big 'ol Shocker Pie!


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yeah, that's it.

[C0|db|00ded]

What coup for Mark Turgeon!
Spinelli wanted to be a part of the Shocker Nation and glean knowledge from the reigning Coach of the Year so badly he'd take a cut in base pay.

The sleeping giant grows more conscious every day.

We are well poised to be the first Valley school in the modern era to experience and demonstrate tangible benefits from a Sweet 16 appearance. I predict that WSU will elevate and maintain its national status to a point other Valley schools could only dream of. We are soon to collect our 3rd consecutive Valley All-Sports trophy and word at the Valley office is that they are thinking of just renaming it the All-WSU trophy. Astonishment at the speed and overall magnitude of WSU basketball's rebirth (awakening) once competent leadership was intact should be tempered by the fact that we were once already a national basketball giant in the early 80's. Like any good stock that suffers a correction, if it is of quality, it will recover.

It's a great day to be the "Class of the Valley"

It's a great day to be a Shocker!

(cue BB's vomit pic)


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[kyyle23]

We are well poised to be the first Valley school in the modern era to experience and demonstrate tangible benefits from a Sweet 16 appearance. I predict that WSU will elevate and maintain its national status to a point other Valley schools could only dream of. We are soon to collect our 3rd consecutive Valley All-Sports trophy and word at the Valley office is that they are thinking of just renaming it the All-WSU trophy. Astonishment at the speed and overall magnitude of WSU basketball's rebirth (awakening) once competent leadership was intact should be tempered by the fact that we were once already a national basketball giant in the early 80's. Like any good stock that suffers a correction, if it is of quality, it will recover.

It's a great day to be the "Class of the Valley"

It's a great day to be a Shocker!

(cue BB's vomit pic)


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Awwwwwww, isnt that cute? He really believes what he says.

[iSASO]

I noticed you didn't refute any of those assertions. When all else fails, and you can't kill the message, kill the messenger.

[TrueBlueJay]

I'll refute them - You just lost a guard you wanted to Creighton and another to Tulsa.

The clASS of the Valley

[blueblood]

or show a picture of a guy throwiing up.

[Chairman of the Boards]

[QUOTE=TrueBlueJay]I'll refute them - You just lost a guard you wanted to Creighton and another to Tulsa.

Are you sure they actually offered either one of them a scholarship? :no:

[iSASO]

I'll refute them - You just lost a guard you wanted to Creighton and another to Tulsa.

The clASS of the Valley

Everyone loses recruits. One wanted a degree in Pharmacology. WSU doesn't offer that because KU wants all the drug dealers on its campus. Both Tulsa and OU, the finalists for Uzoh, fit his academic needs better. Can't blame him for that.
Nice try though. Predictible, but nice.

As Creighton knows from its recent trip to the Sweet Sixteen...
*crickets*
recruiting impact may not be felt until the next class or two rolls into town.

[MSNSaluki]

We are well poised to be the first Valley school in the modern era to experience and demonstrate tangible benefits from a Sweet 16 appearance. I predict that WSU will elevate and maintain its national status to a point other Valley schools could only dream of. We are soon to collect our 3rd consecutive Valley All-Sports trophy and word at the Valley office is that they are thinking of just renaming it the All-WSU trophy. Astonishment at the speed and overall magnitude of WSU basketball's rebirth (awakening) once competent leadership was intact should be tempered by the fact that we were once already a national basketball giant in the early 80's. Like any good stock that suffers a correction, if it is of quality, it will recover.

It's a great day to be the "Class of the Valley"

It's a great day to be a Shocker!

(cue BB's vomit pic)


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Name me one good stock that suffers an 18-year correction then recovers.
Bad analogy.
Unless you want to risk breaking up this nice little WSU circle jerk you guys have going, come up with better examples.

[iSASO]

A quick check of a dictionary reveals this:

analogy: a partial similarity on which a comparison may be based.

I don't see where "the rules" of using an analogy requires complete parallel to the day and hour.

The analogy stands. In fact, I will continue the analogy:

I originally "bought stock" in WSU at the age of 14, just prior to its early 80's run to the Elite Eight with several NBA players on the roster.
I rode the stock up and then held onto it until it hit rock bottom in about 1996. Being the visionary I am, I bought a huge amount of stock at that time, adding to my portfolio. Granted the returns were a little slow coming, but my how it has paid off over the past several years.

It seems there is plenty of upside potential in both top-line and bottom-line numbers even now. I rate it a Strong Buy.

[C0|db|00ded]

A quick check of a dictionary reveals this:

analogy: a partial similarity on which a comparison may be based.

I don't see where "the rules" of using an analogy requires complete parallel to the day and hour.

The analogy stands. In fact, I will continue the analogy:

I originally "bought stock" in WSU at the age of 14, just prior to its early 80's run to the Elite Eight with several NBA players on the roster.
I rode the stock up and then held onto it until it hit rock bottom in about 1996. Being the visionary I am, I bought a huge amount of stock at that time, adding to my portfolio. Granted the returns were a little slow coming, but my how it has paid off over the past several years.

It seems there is plenty of upside potential in both top-line and bottom-line numbers even now. I rate it a Strong Buy.

So true!

However, while I don't always take the opportunity to have the last word against those who would fling darts at me, rest assured I always can. Men of educated minds understand the difference between a literal example and an analogous one, however, I will offer my friend Joey a literal one...

http://members.cox.net/meltone2/pics/au75-pres.gif

Striking similarities eh?

Oh, and WSU's correction didn't last 20 years. We had what amounted to a bad decade. Since 2001 we have had 4 strong years of winning: 18-12, 21-11, 22-10, 26-9.

Shocker Basketball -It's as good as gold!


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[MSNSaluki]

So true!

However, while I don't always take the opportunity to have the last word against those who would fling darts at me, rest assured I always can. Men of educated minds understand the difference between a literal example and an analogous one, however, I will offer my friend Joey a literal one...

http://members.cox.net/meltone2/pics/au75-pres.gif

Striking similarities eh?

Oh, and WSU's correction didn't last 20 years. We had what amounted to a bad decade. Since 2001 we have had 4 strong years of winning: 18-12, 21-11, 22-10, 26-9.

Shocker Basketball -It's as good as gold!


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Since 2001 you have had 4 strong years of winning: 18-12, 21-11, 22-10, 26-9.
Shocker Basketball - It's as good as gold? Don't think so.
Since you only have 1 NCAA tournament invitation during that span, I'd say your stock is underperforming. Another Valley title or a couple more NCAA invites might make you a blue chip but right now you're Boston Market.

[iSASO]

It's all about your basis in the stock. If you got in early, you got a handsome capital gain.

[outpost]

Since you only have 1 NCAA tournament invitation during that span, I'd say your stock is underperforming. Another Valley title or a couple more NCAA invites might make you a blue chip but right now you're Boston Market.

Joey, sticking with the aforementioned analogy, WSU's stock has already proven to have more upside than yours in only one showing.

Did "Joey's team" have a Sweet 16 appearance?

Was "Joey's team" able to sell out virtually every share of its arena the past season or two? Rest assured, if we had at least another 2-3000 seats, they would've been gobbled up.

Have the Shockers suffered the indignity of losing to a D-II school in the past 20 years? No, because our downside was always more limited than "Joey's team."

[C0|db|00ded]

It's all about your basis in the stock. If you got in early, you got a handsome capital gain.

Joey's historical charts only go back to 1990.


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[outpost]

He's got charts? We have yet to see them.

They probably wouldn't support Joey's "facts".........

[iSASO]

Since 2001 you have had 4 strong years of winning: 18-12, 21-11, 22-10, 26-9.
Shocker Basketball - It's as good as gold? Don't think so.
Since you only have 1 NCAA tournament invitation during that span, I'd say your stock is underperforming. Another Valley title or a couple more NCAA invites might make you a blue chip but right now you're Boston Market.

With a Sweet Sixteen in its first quarter results, it's clear the organization is under good management. Long-term Management which focuses on the long-term and delivers great value to stakeholders in the short-term. Re-iterating a Strong Buy.

[outpost]

"Joey's Team" is one of the "Dogs of the Dow"......

Pun intended.

[MSNSaluki]

I don't work for Merrill Lynch but during the 18-year "correction" period Wichita State just endured Southern Illinois went to 7 NCAA tournaments and, yes, had a Sweet 16 season. And in the year you broke your drought, we added another NCAA bid of our own.

In addition, SIU's 126 wins in the past five seasons is the 7th highest total in Division I behind such lightweights as Duke (143), Illinois (134), Connecticut (132), Gonzaga (132), Pitt (131) and the good 'ol boys at Kansas (130)

Yet, you Wichita State guys think that one Sweet 16 appearance and a deep-pocketed booster turns your program into the gold standard. Amazing.

I really believe the Wichita State program is on the upswing and more NCAA tournament bids are on the way. But the reality is this: At this moment in time, again, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, you guys are nothing more than a Powerball winner. You made ONE splash. You've got cash. Congratulations.

Now, just shut up until you find your way back to the Big Dance.

[iSASO]

Hmmm. No thanks.

Is it true that the Gold Standard Salukis couldn't hold onto their coach after their Sweet Sixteen run?

[CUJay]

Hmmm. No thanks.

Is it true that the Gold Standard Salukis couldn't hold onto their coach after their Sweet Sixteen run?

Is it true that the Shockers' coach did not even receive a job offer from another university after the Shockers' Sweet 16 run?

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Is it true that the Shockers' coach did not even receive a job offer from another university after the Shockers' Sweet 16 run?

No, he was offered the OU job and turned it down. He also turned down a chance to even interview for the Arizona St. job, saying he wasn't interested.

[kyyle23]

Hmmm. No thanks.

Is it true that the Gold Standard Salukis couldn't hold onto their coach after their Sweet Sixteen run?

Not exactly. Bruce stuck around for one more year. After getting an extension.

No, he was offered the OU job and turned it down. He also turned down a chance to even interview for the Arizona St. job, saying he wasn't interested.

Kind of like how Bruce turned down WVU? Only to wait a year and take a better job?

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Kind of like how Bruce turned down WVU? Only to wait a year and take a better job?

Sort of, except that WSU has more to offer a coach to get him to stay than SIU did at that time. Deeper pockets, better facilities, bigger city, etc...

[MSNSaluki]

Hmmm. No thanks.

Is it true that the Gold Standard Salukis couldn't hold onto their coach after their Sweet Sixteen run?

Uh, no.
Weber stuck around to lead the Salukis to ANOTHER NCAA tournament.

[outpost]

Eischen, while it's true that "Joey's Team" may be the best equity holding in "Joey's portfolio", the rest of said portfolio has left a lot to be desired.

At WSU, the rising tide has lifted all boats, and should continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

And we've got a steady supply of interested investors who believe in what we're doing (read Charles Koch). Go ahead and lip at us if you like, but I perceive a lot of envy in your posts.

[MSNSaluki]

Eischen, while it's true that "Joey's Team" may be the best equity holding in "Joey's portfolio", the rest of said portfolio has left a lot to be desired.

I can't argue with you about the rest of SIU's portfolio but I've always contended that all that matters is what happens on the court. Wins and multiple NCAA tournament bids trump six-figure assistants and prominent boosters. Just my opinion.

At WSU, the rising tide has lifted all boats, and should continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

I can't argue that point either. I've posted in more than one spot on this site Wichita State has a lot going for it.

And we've got a steady supply of interested investors who believe in what we're doing (read Charles Koch).

I wish SIU had more.

Go ahead and lip at us if you like, but I perceive a lot of envy in your posts.

There's no envy in my posts, my friend. It's a gag reflex.

I'll go out and have a few cocktails on a Saturday, come home and just before I go to bed, I always turn to this one channel for a laugh. There's this crazy TV minister who routinely takes the most ridiculous news event of the day and tries to convince his audience that very event is talked about in the bible in Revelations and the end of the world is near.

ShockerNation on Valley Talk is the same way ... except nowhere near as entertaining. You guys spin every news tidbit out of the men's basketball office as a sign that Wichita State is the Valley's best. WSU hires an assistant who would have been fired by Nebraska in a year (thanks to Collier) and suddenly, we hear all these stories about how great a recruiter he is. Sorry, but if he was such a great recruiter Nebraska wouldn't suck so bad (and Barry Collier isn't THAT horrible a coach, even though my friends from Omaha might disagree).

I'm happy Wichita State is finally enjoying some basketball success but Christ, tone down the hyperbole. And remember this: the hard part isn't getting to the top. IT'S STAYING THERE!

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Its not Shocker fans saying he is a great recruiter, it is several different media sources. There is a difference there. And Collier is bad enough to screw up any recruit he gets, no matter how good the player is.

[MSNSaluki]

You Wichita guys are quick to point out how your administration kept your basketball program down for 18 years due to their ineptness.
Maybe that's what ails Collier, too. When's the last time Nebraska had a good basketball team?
He's not as bad a coach as he's made out to be. He could just be in a bad job.

[blueblood]

I don't want any part of this. BUT one thing I do know, Collier is a bad basketball coach. He appears to be a good classy guy. But he is a horrible basketball coach.

[outpost]

I don't want any part of this. BUT one thing I do know, Collier is a bad basketball coach. He appears to be a good classy guy. But he is a horrible basketball coach.

Which could also be a big reason why Coach Spinelli jumped. Many a good employee has left a bad organization when they see writing on the proverbial wall. I did it myself 4 years ago. If I had stayed, my destiny would ultimately have been in someone else's hands.

Kudos to Spinelli for wanting to better his situation.

[MSNSaluki]

Which could also be a big reason why Coach Spinelli jumped. Many a good employee has left a bad organization when they see writing on the proverbial wall. I did it myself 4 years ago. If I had stayed, my destiny would ultimately have been in someone else's hands.

Kudos to Spinelli for wanting to better his situation.

Funny, I was in the same situation, too.
But, I wasn't making the kind of money Collier is (haha).

I hope Spinelli is a real find for the Shockers. While I like to fire back at the WSU folks here who think you've got the greatest program on earth, I like to see all Valley schools make strides.
We've got to kick some BCS booty again next year, right?:valley:

[outpost]

Boot 'em
Cold in the
Stones

[MSNSaluki]

Boot 'em
Cold in the
Stones


:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[WheatShock'd]

I don't think Collier is a bad coach, I just think he has the WRONG job. He is at a school where basketball is not a priority and I honestly don't think he has the moxie to be a Big 12 coach. Remember, he had some great Butler teams and I don't think he ever should have left. He belongs in the low-mid major level.

[TrueBlueJay]

You haven't witnessed what we here in Nebraska have - he is a terrible bench coach. Period.

He had success at Butler because Motta was his main assitant - it is obvious to me Motta was the key to Collier's success at Butler.

[WheatShock'd]

You haven't witnessed what we here in Nebraska have - he is a terrible bench coach. Period.

He had success at Butler because Motta was his main assitant - it is obvious to me Motta was the key to Collier's success at Butler.

You may have a point there. But I also think that Stevie P. has not exactly given the Husker bball program the support it should have. Is there really that large of a contingent that actually supports Husker basketball? Because there certainly does not seem there is any pressure on Steve to make any real changes. The Devaney Center is a dump by Big 12 standards, especially considering the rest of NU's facilities are some of the best in the nation (especially baseball and football). Collier is just a head coach, he needs a supporting cast around him as well.

Oh well, I guess Husker nation has just become accustomed to getting creamed by Creighton every year. :naughty:

[MikeKennedyRulz]

You haven't witnessed what we here in Nebraska have

Yes, he/she has. :grin:

[cufan]

Unfortunately for the Shockers, Spinelli's top supply source is going to jump ship to take Spinelli's job. That and the NCAA crack down on the phony prep school/puppy mills is going to substaintially cut into Spinelli's meet and potatoes.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=2161700

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Unfortunately for the Shockers, Spinelli's top supply source is going to jump ship to take Spinelli's job. That and the NCAA crack down on the phony prep school/puppy mills is going to substaintially cut into Spinelli's meet and potatoes.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=2161700

Actually, according to the Eagle, his main Prep source is still Laurinburg and not Patterson. But, yeah, the Shox are going to slide right into the Abyss because they only have one player rated by Rivals in this recruiting class. :no:

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Unfortunately for the Shockers, Spinelli's top supply source is going to jump ship to take Spinelli's job. That and the NCAA crack down on the phony prep school/puppy mills is going to substaintially cut into Spinelli's meet and potatoes.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=2161700

Unfortunately for you, it doesn't look like your dream will come true now that not one but two of the coaches at this prep school have turned Collier down.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=2165825

:jays:

[CreightonRx]

Actually this is a lot of Creighton fans dream come true. We're seeing our holy BCS rival being humiliated and be turned down by two high school coaches! This has to be hurting their massive egos, but I'm sure some of their fans will still be blind to the fact that their program sucks.

[SubGod22]

Do they actually still have fans who don't realize/admit that thier program sucks?


That's just sad

[Hooloovoo]

Do they actually still have fans who don't realize/admit that thier program sucks?


That's just sad

There are people who are convinced that the Nebraska basketball program is simply dormant and will return to their glory days.

I'm trying to find evidence of their glory days.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Unfortunately for you, it doesn't look like your dream will come true now that not one but two of the coaches at this prep school have turned Collier down.

:jays:

Actually, RX is right. Most CU fans get more enjoyment out of beating Nebraska than a win over Wichita. I know that WSU is in conference, but that is just the way it is. I suspect many in Wichita might feel the same way about KU and/or KSU if they ever got a chance to play them.

Barry Switzer once said that even though the annual Oklahoma-Nebraska FB game determined the Big 8 champion and had National Championship ramifications, OU alums still wanted to beat Texas (and this was when Texas was in another conference) more than they wanted to beat NU. I suppose that is similar to how most CU fans feel about beating NU.

Truth be told, the typical CU fan who never comes to ValleyTalk would consider CU's main in conference rival to be SIU (even though SIU owns us of late). I suspect that WSU wouldn't even make the radar yet (although that is changing). Therefore, most CU fans love the Spinelli move to WSU and think that it is hilarious that NU is now getting turned down by high school assistant coaches.

[cufan]

Frankly, I know that Spinelli is a hell of a recruiter. Don't know what he can do x's and o's wise. I was just yanking your chain about NU hiring his recruiting source. The bigger challenge for Spinelli's recruiting MO will be the NCAA investigations into prep schools.

[outpost]

Just chiming in here.......frankly posting, I get more satisfaction out of beating just about any BCS school than I do when we beat Creighton.

Probably goes on another thread but since this seems to have a remote relationship to it.....there's just so much more intensity in an in-conference matchup.

Luring away (with the help of a "lame-duck" coach at NU) a top assistant?
Keeping a coach that OU sincerely wanted (but can't admit)?
Beating Big East schools 3 times in 2 years? Being on the same court with 2 Big 10 teams, and coming within an eyelash of beating one of them?
Beating an SEC team that was top 10 at one point in the year?

I feel great about what we've been able to accomplish in the past year. And that's just in basketball.

[C0|db|00ded]

Actually, RX is right. Most CU fans get more enjoyment out of beating Nebraska than a win over Wichita. I know that WSU is in conference, but that is just the way it is. I suspect many in Wichita might feel the same way about KU and/or KSU if they ever got a chance to play them.

Truth be told, the typical CU fan who never comes to ValleyTalk would consider CU's main in conference rival to be SIU (even though SIU owns us of late). I suspect that WSU wouldn't even make the radar yet (although that is changing). Therefore, most CU fans love the Spinelli move to WSU and think that it is hilarious that NU is now getting turned down by high school assistant coaches.

ROFL, nice one. I guess that is why we set the all-time Nebraska attendance record when we came to town last year. Admit it son, the most important game on everybody's mind in Omaha-hattan is when Wichita comes to town. That game is circled on the coaches calendar as we speak. How else could you explain some very mediocre regular season performances out of CU over the last few years yet when Wichita comes to town it's like the Final Four with huge emotional come-back victories, last-second winning desperation shots, Dana running all over the court like he lost his favorite pocket-watch... students (the few that come) spending all night long poring over their comprehensive NIT heckling themes... You would think it was USA versus Russia.


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[MSNSaluki]

ROFL, nice one. I guess that is why we set the all-time Nebraska attendance record when we came to town last year. Admit it son, the most important game on everybody's mind in Omaha-hattan is when Wichita comes to town. That game is circled on the coaches calendar as we speak. How else could you explain some very mediocre regular season performances out of CU over the last few years yet when Wichita comes to town it's like the Final Four with huge emotional come-back victories, last-second winning desperation shots, Dana running all over the court like he lost his favorite pocket-watch... students (the few that come) spending all night long pouring over their comprehensive NIT heckling themes... You would think it was USA versus Russia.


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now you are inserting wichita as the top game of the season for other schools?
the madness never ends.

[C0|db|00ded]

now you are inserting wichita as the top game of the season for other schools?
the madness never ends.

It's certainly the top road-game for other schools.. no question about it. Kids that are down about coming to the Valley to play against opponents located in the middle of remote corn-fields cheer up when their opportunity arrives for a chance to play at the "Thrill" (Koch Arena). As far as being CU's favorite opponent at home.. I didn't make up that story about setting a Nebraska record for attendance when we came to town -It's Science!


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[crjays1]

The WSU game record attendace was broken fro the BB game.

Keep the ignorance flowing, I always get a laugh out of the BS you spew.

[MSNSaluki]

It's certainly the top road-game for other schools.. no question about it. Kids that are down about coming to the Valley to play against opponents located in the middle of remote corn-fields cheer up when their opportunity arrives for a chance to play at the "Thrill" (Koch Arena). As far as being CU's favorite opponent at home.. I didn't make up that story about setting a Nebraska record for attendance when we came to town -It's Science!


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bad news, cold.
siu doesn't give a rat's *** about koch arena or wichita state. maybe in time, after the shockers have completed their ascension and are regarded as the Duke of the Midwest.
but for now, creighton, mo. state, uni and all of the schools in illinois are the places siu looks forward to.

[C0|db|00ded]

bad news, cold.
siu doesn't give a rat's *** about koch arena or wichita state. maybe in time, after the shockers have completed their ascension and are regarded as the Duke of the Midwest.
but for now, creighton, mo. state, uni and all of the schools in illinois are the places siu looks forward to.

And this coming from the official spokesperson of the Carbondale Clowns? Don't make me dig up all the quotes from players after they leave Koch Arena. Wichita is the destination spot for Basketball and Baseball as far as the Missouri Valley Conference is concerned!

It's a great day to be a Shocker!


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[kyyle23]

And this coming from the official spokesperson of the Carbondale Clowns? Don't make me dig up all the quotes from players after they leave Koch Arena. Wichita is the destination spot for Basketball and Baseball as far as the Missouri Valley Conference is concerned!

It's a great day to be a Shocker!


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dig em up, Fanboi. I want links.

[C0|db|00ded]

dig em up, Fanboi. I want links.

How many do you want? I particularly like this one from the great g0dAltmang0d himself!!1

"This building is tough to play in because it's so loud," Altman said. "It challenges you. If guys are weak-minded, you're going to give into it here. I told the guys to try to embrace it and thrive on it. It's just a great college venue." -Dana Altman


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[kyyle23]

How many do you want? I particularly like this one from the great g0dAltmang0d himself!!1

"This building is tough to play in because it's so loud," Altman said. "It challenges you. If guys are weak-minded, you're going to give into it here. I told the guys to try to embrace it and thrive on it. It's just a great college venue." -Dana Altman


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How about some Carbondale "Clowns" quotes. We know you have nothing better to do. Get to diggin

[Rasputin]

C0|db|00ded + http://members.cox.net/flyomaha/shocker.gif = http://members.cox.net/flyomaha/Troll.JPG

Quite an uncanny resemblance, isn't it?

[DoubleJayAlum]

How many do you want? I particularly like this one from the great g0dAltmang0d himself!!1

"This building is tough to play in because it's so loud," Altman said. "It challenges you. If guys are weak-minded, you're going to give into it here. I told the guys to try to embrace it and thrive on it. It's just a great college venue." -Dana Altman


I see a nice compliment for your arena, but I don't see him referencing WSU as CU's biggest rival. As I said, most CU fans don't see you as their biggest rival. So what? I don't see why that offends WSU fans.

[DoubleJayAlum]

ROFL, nice one. I guess that is why we set the all-time Nebraska attendance record when we came to town last year. Admit it son, the most important game on everybody's mind in Omaha-hattan is when Wichita comes to town. That game is circled on the coaches calendar as we speak. How else could you explain some very mediocre regular season performances out of CU over the last few years yet when Wichita comes to town it's like the Final Four with huge emotional come-back victories, last-second winning desperation shots, Dana running all over the court like he lost his favorite pocket-watch... students (the few that come) spending all night long poring over their comprehensive NIT heckling themes... You would think it was USA versus Russia.

Hate to break it to ya, but little old Fresno State out drew you and that game started at midnight in subzero temperatures. SIU also out drew you. The typical CU fan does not see WSU as a big rival yet. SIU: yes, Nebraska: yes, WSU: NO, not yet!

By the way, Dana runs all over the court "like he lost his favorite pocket watch" EVERY game. :lol:

I'll say this though - both CU-WSU games this year should be instant classics. They were hard fought and came down to last second shots.

[C0|db|00ded]

Hate to break it to ya, but little old Fresno State out drew you and that game started at midnight in subzero temperatures. SIU also out drew you. The typical CU fan does not see WSU as a big rival yet. SIU: yes, Nebraska: yes, WSU: NO, not yet!

By the way, Dana runs all over the court "like he lost his favorite pocket watch" EVERY game. :lol:

I'll say this though - both CU-WSU games this year should be instant classics. They were hard fought and came down to last second shots.

STOP diffusing my posts by responding in a sensible way! :original:


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[MSNSaluki]

STOP diffusing my posts by responding in a sensible way! :original:


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thanks, cold.
good to see you can be corrected once.:original:

[C0|db|00ded]

thanks, cold.
good to see you can be corrected once.:original:

I made no reference to him "correcting" me. Reread.


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[MSNSaluki]

I made no reference to him "correcting" me. Reread.


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I'm sorry ... thanks for letting somebody diffuse you.:yes:

[outpost]

Hate to break it to ya, but little old Fresno State out drew you and that game started at midnight in subzero temperatures. SIU also out drew you. The typical CU fan does not see WSU as a big rival yet. SIU: yes, Nebraska: yes, WSU: NO, not yet!

By the way, Dana runs all over the court "like he lost his favorite pocket watch" EVERY game.

I'll say this though - both CU-WSU games this year should be instant classics. They were hard fought and came down to last second shots.

Yeah, and both of them were clutch. No miracles, just clutch. In spite of what some fans have led themselves to believe.

[Hooloovoo]

Yeah, and both of them were clutch. No miracles, just clutch. In spite of what some fans have led themselves to believe.

Exactly. Two evenly-matched teams playing what could be argued were two of the best games in the Valley regular season. Win or lose, those are fun games to watch (but better with a win :grin:)

[torear]

IIRC, the state record for attendance in Nebraska was broken by Creighton something like 6 or 7 times this season.

With the capacity topping 17,000+ next year and the buzz surrounding the team already, CU has the opportunity to potentially obliterate the single season total attendance record in the MVC.

[Aargh]

IIRC, the state record for attendance in Nebraska was broken by Creighton something like 6 or 7 times this season.

With the capacity topping 17,000+ next year and the buzz surrounding the team already, CU has the opportunity to potentially obliterate the single season total attendance record in the MVC.
That's all very true. Keep us posted on how those "two-for-one" and "free ticket" promotions go. It will be interesting to see CU's attendance numbers next year.

Maybe "Joan of Arcadia" night can be added along similar lines as the "Joan of Arc" promotion.

[iSASO]

An equally intriguing number would be the % of those in attendance who wear Nebraska football gear.

[blueblood]

Have KU or KSU returned WSU's calls yet?

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Have KU or KSU returned WSU's calls yet?

Yep, playing K-State in the Vegas tourney next season. Ku is still scared. We'll keep you posted though.

[IAJay]

An equally intriguing number would be the % of those in attendance who wear Nebraska football gear.

Sad but true. Every year its less and less though.

[torear]

That's all very true. Keep us posted on how those "two-for-one" and "free ticket" promotions go. It will be interesting to see CU's attendance numbers next year.

Maybe "Joan of Arcadia" night can be added along similar lines as the "Joan of Arc" promotion.

Every single Creighton home game this year, including games played at midnight and the NIT games, had more tickets sold than would have fit at full capacity at any other of the 9 MVC venues. There's a reason Creighton plays in a 17,000+ seat arena and everyone else plays in venues roughly the equivalent of the Omaha Civic Auditorium.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Every single Creighton home game this year, including games played at midnight and the NIT games, had more tickets sold than would have fit at full capacity at any other of the 9 MVC venues. There's a reason Creighton plays in a 17,000+ seat arena and everyone else plays in venues roughly the equivalent of the Omaha Civic Auditorium.

Because the players like the qwiet qwaint atmosphere?

[DoubleJayAlum]

Because the players like the qwiet qwaint atmosphere?

You win. :clap: I think there is no dispute that Wichita has more loud mouths than any other MVC city. Congratulations!

[MikeKennedyRulz]

You win. :clap: I think there is no dispute that Wichita has more loud mouths than any other MVC city. Congratulations!

Thanks. I'll take it and Omahaha can keep its wine and cheese snobs. Or is that whine and cheese?

[torear]

More stellar logic from our Wichita brethern. "When I was at the game in Omaha, sitting six stories away from the court, I really have a greater ability to comment on the noise level on the floor - far more than the fans, players and coaches (even my own) that were actually down there." Is that right? Or are you one of those who watched the game on television and think you're even that much more qualified to tell the 15,600+ who were there was it sounded like?

I rest my case on what Turgeon himself said after the game. He sold his players your same line of BS - "it's not going to get that loud" and admitted afterwards they weren't ready for it.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

More stellar logic from our Wichita brethern. "When I was at the game in Omaha, sitting six stories away from the court, I really have a greater ability to comment on the noise level on the floor - far more than the fans, players and coaches (even my own) that were actually down there." Is that right? Or are you one of those who watched the game on television and think you're even that much more qualified to tell the 15,600+ who were there was it sounded like?

I rest my case on what Turgeon himself said after the game. He sold his players your same line of BS - "it's not going to get that loud" and admitted afterwards they weren't ready for it.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/mbrayfield/MBshot3.gif

[blueblood]

http://www.pukeplanet.com/pukeimages/toilet_puke.jpg

[Hooloovoo]

http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/maxes/DeadHorse.gif

[TrueBlueJay]

Will the WSU fans get back to me when the shuckers have sold as many season tickets as Creighton?

Clock starts.....NOW

tick tick tick tick

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Will the WSU fans get back to me when the shuckers have sold as many season tickets as Creighton?

Clock starts.....NOW

tick tick tick tick

Will BJ fans get back to me when they completely sell out there building to season ticket holders. There is a waiting list if you would like to get on it. Keep on keepin on with your "Joan of Arc" free promotions needed to sell out the QWIET.

[TrueBlueJay]

tick tick tick tick

[MikeKennedyRulz]

tick tick tick tick

Is that the sound the gerbil in your head makes as he goes round and round?

[TrueBlueJay]

Wrong answer - any other tries? I'll repeat the query:

Please tell us when WSU will have more season tickets sold than Creighton.

Your time is running out - please buzz in if you have the answer.

tick tick tick tick

[MikeKennedyRulz]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/mbrayfield/2311226754.jpg

[blueblood]

http://www.humorbug.com/fpics/s_humorbug_f696ee9ba1.jpg

[MSNSaluki]

you guys quit you sniping back and forth at each other.
SIU drew 6,400 for it's december home game with louisiana-lafayette last year.
take that!

[torear]

I'm sure you're pleased with your little graphic, but I assume we can take that as an admission that you have no answer to back up your "Qwiet Qwest" nonsense? Good to know.

I must say, MKR, you've taken a serious beating on this forum the last few weeks and you're not handling it very well.

[outpost]

I haven't gone through every post in this thread.

Someone from CU, please enlighten me....how many season ticket commits have the Bluejays gotten this year?

If this year is too early, then what was last season's total?

[Bird]

CU sold 10,474 season tickets last year.

[outpost]

Thanks. Until our downtown arena is built, we've got no virtually hope of matching that number.

[TrueBlueJay]

Outpost - do you know how many people the new Wichita arena will hold?

Basketball?
Concerts?

Has groud been broken? Has it been named yet?

Is there a site that would give information or let one see the plans?

[Jayfan]

You Wichita guys are quick to point out how your administration kept your basketball program down for 18 years due to their ineptness.
Maybe that's what ails Collier, too. When's the last time Nebraska had a good basketball team?
He's not as bad a coach as he's made out to be. He could just be in a bad job.


No the guy sucks, a good coach can enhance the talent he recruits. Name one guy in the past 4 years that has come out of the NU program "better" than when he started? There isn't any. Sure they naturally get better, but they are never coached up beyond expectations.

[Rasputin]

http://www.arenadigest.com/news/2006/april/new_sedgwick.htm

One of the proposals looks remarkably similar to Wells Fargo in Des Moines and another looks like a Hy-Vee grocery store. The seating capacity will be 15,000 max with the largest proposal, supposedly, even smaller with the others. Proposed numbers: 418,500sq ft and $119.8 million

[BornShocker]

I don't mind A and B. I would probably choose B. Word on the streets is many people are disgusted with C, as am I.

[Rasputin]

I can't believe C even made it to the list of final proposals! Personally, I like A the best.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

I can't believe C even made it to the list of final proposals! Personally, I like A the best.

Nobody cares what you think.

[kyyle23]

Nobody cares what you think.

From looking at your avatar, I have deduced that you are a republican. (good old times GnR reference) :lol: :lol:

[outpost]

TBJ -

Ground has yet to be broken. At this point, property rights have not been purchased from land-owners in the target area. Hoping for as many as 18k seats, but not sure what the County has up its sleeve.

I work for the City, and oversee an inspection fund at City Hall that is funded exclusively by contractors, builders....building permit fees, plan review fees, licensing, sign permit revenue, etc.......not a dime of taxpayer support goes into it.

The fund is required to maintain a 3-4 month operating reserve.....currently we are sitting below 3 months, and may have to increase premiums soon in order to attempt to boost the reserve. Obviously, the balance fluctuates depending on the level of building activity.

We are anticipating several good-sized commercial projects, including the downtown arena, that will help inject some permit revenue into the fund. Some of them are hung up in the political process.

Incidentally, I noticed an article in the Wichita Business Journal that indicated material price increases will probably affect the arena costs. I think that sales tax revenues are still ahead of projections, but we might see an unfortunate offset with these material costs.

That's about the extent of my knowledge at the moment.

[outpost]

I can't believe C even made it to the list of final proposals! Personally, I like A the best.

I also like A, and voted for it recently in an on-line poll. JMHO, but I believe that it provided the best access, and connected it better with other parts of downtown.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

From looking at your avatar, I have deduced that you are a republican. (good old times GnR reference) :lol: :lol:

Why yes, yes I am. I am as red as they come. :lol: :lol:

[Jayfan]

You may have a point there. But I also think that Stevie P. has not exactly given the Husker bball program the support it should have. Is there really that large of a contingent that actually supports Husker basketball? Because there certainly does not seem there is any pressure on Steve to make any real changes. The Devaney Center is a dump by Big 12 standards, especially considering the rest of NU's facilities are some of the best in the nation (especially baseball and football). Collier is just a head coach, he needs a supporting cast around him as well.

Oh well, I guess Husker nation has just become accustomed to getting creamed by Creighton every year. :naughty:

Yes the Devaney center is a dump by any standard. Long live Steve P. Yeah he could care less about basketball the only reason Collier wasn't fired this year is they didn't want to have to pay out his contract. (around 1 mil pay out i think). They will dump him like a bad habit next year and the rest of his crew, Spinelli is not an idiot. Its good he finally moved up in the world.:valley: :jays:

[Rasputin]

Spinelli was the "jewel" of that staff and contrary to Husker-nation belief, Wichita is a step-up from the NU basketball program. As much as I hate NU, it is sad to see any program unravel and implode at the seams like they are. Any bets UNO will beat UNL in exhibition next year? :naughty:

[Jayfan]

Spinelli was the "jewel" of that staff and contrary to Husker-nation belief, Wichita is a step-up from the NU basketball program. As much as I hate NU, it is sad to see any program unravel and implode at the seams like they are. Any bets UNO will beat UNL in exhibition next year? :naughty:

Only if I get UNO

[outpost]

Will it be at the Qwest?

[Rasputin]

Nah, intra-state exhibition games against UNK, UNO, Wayne State, etc are always played on the larger schools' homecourt. UNO has their own facility (Sapp Fieldhouse) and doesn't play at the Qwest, only UNO Hockey does.

[DUShock]

With all of these Cityscapes at the bottom of everyone's post, it makes one wonder if the folks in Wichita and Omaha are voracious readers of Mumford :innocent:

[MSNSaluki]

this site better have plenty of bandwidth and storage space with all these photos popping up.

[Chairman of the Boards]

According to a so-called NU basketball insider, Spinelli accepted the WSU position because he was guaranteed the WSU coaching job in 2 years when Turgeon moves on to a big-time BCS program. I laughed so hard that I spit beer all over him... what a bunch of blinded tools in Huskerland. :valley:

[MSNSaluki]

According to a so-called NU basketball insider, Spinelli accepted the WSU position because he was guaranteed the WSU coaching job in 2 years when Turgeon moves on to a big-time BCS program. I laughed so hard that I spit beer all over him... what a bunch of blinded tools in Huskerland. :valley:

what's just as funny is the notion that turgeon will be leaving for a big-time bcs school in two years.
while i think he's a good coach and has done a great job at wichita, if the shockers don't make it back to the ncaa tournament this year spinelli's dream scenario might be put on hold.

[Aargh]

CU, SIU and WSU are all legitimate top-25 picks next year. All are capable of being in the top-25 from pre-season to the NCAA's.

CU and SIU are the programs recognized as perennial NCAA teams. WSU is approaching that, but not there yet.

BU is likely to end up as a one-year wonder, but the 5-seed in the MVC made it to the S16. Think about that a minute. 5-seed in the MVC tourney is one of the top 16 teams in the nation. BU beat teams to prove they earned that recognition.

In the last 25+ years it has been rare for the Valley to have multiple teams in the top-25. Usually we get excited when a Valley team gets votes.

Overall recruiting is as good as it's been in the 100-year history of the Valley. The quality of the underclassmen and recruits is outstanding.

Pardon my optimism, but a 4th place finish in the Valley next year could be a legitimate candidate for an at-large bid to the NCAA's.

[MSNSaluki]

CU, SIU and WSU are all legitimate top-25 picks next year. All are capable of being in the top-25 from pre-season to the NCAA's.

CU and SIU are the programs recognized as perennial NCAA teams. WSU is approaching that, but not there yet.

BU is likely to end up as a one-year wonder, but the 5-seed in the MVC made it to the S16. Think about that a minute. 5-seed in the MVC tourney is one of the top 16 teams in the nation. BU beat teams to prove they earned that recognition.

In the last 25+ years it has been rare for the Valley to have multiple teams in the top-25. Usually we get excited when a Valley team gets votes.

Overall recruiting is as good as it's been in the 100-year history of the Valley. The quality of the underclassmen and recruits is outstanding.

Pardon my optimism, but a 4th place finish in the Valley next year could be a legitimate candidate for an at-large bid to the NCAA's.

great post.
agree 100 percent.
the valley has to take its newfound momentum and keep building.

[cufan]

Spinelli has been tagged as a great recruiter, but I have to wonder what kind of kids he is recruiting. I haven't followed Nebraska basketball that closely, so I don't have stats to back up the following generalization. However, it appears that his recruits, although highly touted at least in the local media, have not amounted to much in college. Some have been dismissed for disciplinary reasons (i.e., won't listen to the coach or work hard), others have played out of control or won't play hard, there has been zero team chemistry, and many left the program after one or two years- particularly this year after Spinelli bailed. I know it would suck to play for Collier, but the fact that few of these guys appear to have any loyalty or ability to gel as a team leaves me wondering.

[Shox21]

Spinelli has been tagged as a great recruiter, but I have to wonder what kind of kids he is recruiting. I haven't followed Nebraska basketball that closely, so I don't have stats to back up the following generalization. However, it appears that his recruits, although highly touted at least in the local media, have not amounted to much in college. Some have been dismissed for disciplinary reasons (i.e., won't listen to the coach or work hard), others have played out of control or won't play hard, there has been zero team chemistry, and many left the program after one or two years- particularly this year after Spinelli bailed. I know it would suck to play for Collier, but the fact that few of these guys appear to have any loyalty or ability to gel as a team leaves me wondering.

Possibly more to do with Collier than Spinelli? Turgeon has a certain criteria when it comes to the kids on his team. They all work hard, they are all team players. No showboats (well, maybe once in a while but certainly not on a regular basis). Spinelli won't last very long if he doesn't listen to MT about what kind of kids he wants. MT certainly didn't put up with any crap from Jared Young. I don't have any inside knowledge as to what happened with Young, and I have absolutely nothng against him and wish him all the luck in the world, but if you don't listen to Coach, and you can't work within the system, you're gone. So I am sure before Spinelli does any recruiting, he will have a very definite idea of the type of player MT wants.

[cufan]

Very well may be (most likely is) Collier. Time will tell if Spinelli has the contacts that will bring in the type of kid Turgeon wants.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Food for thought from Greg Doyel at sportsline.com:

7. Shockers' shocker: One of the most meaningful moves was Nebraska assistant Scott Spinelli's departure for Wichita State. For one thing, it confirms the shaky ground on which Nebraska coach Barry Collier stands; in nautical terms, Spinelli has jumped a sinking ship. It also shows the allure of the Missouri Valley Conference. Finally, it shows that Wichita State coach Mark Turgeon is ready to get serious about recruiting. Spinelli knows how to work the underbelly of New York City basketball. The rest of the MVC is shuddering, because the stakes just went up.

[outpost]

Nautically speaking (and briefly off topic), since NU won't ever play us, I guess it's up to Creighton to sink the hukser baksetball program.

[SubGod22]

They've been doing a pretty good job of that in recent years.