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bballer250
05-19-2006, 10:53 AM
Did anyone see this article from CBSSportline.com ??? So what do you think about these father-son Dynasties???

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/9423731

Here is the text:

Some day soon, Pat Knight will be the head coach at Texas Tech. Some day shortly after that, Texas Tech basketball will cease to be relevant. This is Sean Sutton's fault.

Some day soon, Keno Davis will be the head coach at Drake. Some day shortly after that, Drake basketball will plunge to the bottom of the Missouri Valley Conference. This also is Sean Sutton's fault.


You started all this, Sean Sutton. (Getty Images)
Right now, Tony Bennett is the new head coach at Washington State. He has never been a head coach anywhere. He has only been a college assistant for six years. If in five years we can't find Washington State without a plunger, that too will be Sean Sutton's fault.

Sean Sutton wasn't normal, but all over the country, fathers and sons and naïve athletics directors thought he was. They saw Oklahoma State name Sutton, the son of legendary OSU coach Eddie Sutton, the Cowboys' head coach designate in May 2004.

A light bulb went off in Lubbock, Texas. And in Pullman, Wash. And in Des Moines, Iowa.

Light bulbs are cheap. They burn out, or they shatter. And when it shatters, a light bulb is no longer a good idea. It is something dangerous.

Designating Pat Knight as the next coach at Texas Tech? That's dangerous. Nationally, he is known only for being Bob Knight's blindly loyal son. Pat Knight is not widely respected by other coaches. He is most certainly not feared by anyone in the Big 12, or in the Big West, for that matter. When Bob Knight retires, possibly after the 2006-07 season, the rest of the Big 12 is having a party. Pat Knight will be invited. He'll be the one wearing the lampshade.

Other than working for his father, Pat Knight's only college coaching experience is one season as a part-time assistant at Akron. While at Texas Tech, Pat Knight has overseen some of the worst recruiting -- and I'm not exaggerating -- anywhere. His recruiting has been so bad that his father, ogre that he is, has had to renege on a handful of Pat's scholarship offers. After seeing the kids Pat Knight thought could play, Bob Knight literally had to say no. And go stand in the corner.

When Bob Knight retires, Texas Tech officially becomes a women's basketball school. This is Sean Sutton's fault. Sutton isn't Oklahoma State's next coach because Daddy says so. Sutton would deserve the job on his own merits. He played point guard for Kentucky and Oklahoma State. He was an assistant in the SEC at Ole Miss. For 12 years he has worked at OSU, but long ago Sutton could have been a head coach somewhere else. A number of schools -- from solid leagues like Conference USA and the Missouri Valley -- have tried to lure him away from OSU.

Sean Sutton is not normal. He's good.

Pat Knight? He tried to get the Wright State job in 2003. Couldn't. He tried to get the Loyola (Ill.) job in 2004. Couldn't even get an interview. Tiny schools won't hire Pat Knight, so what the hell ... let's make him a head coach in the Big 12! Somewhere, Billy Gillispie and Rick Barnes are smiling.

At least Pat Knight has a reputation, mocked as it may be. Keno Davis? No reputation. None. Before Drake, he spent two years at Division II Southern Indiana, then six at Southeast Missouri State. His father is Tom Davis, the former Iowa coach who came out of retirement in 2003 to try to resurrect Drake. At the time it looked strange. Three years later -- last month -- when Drake announced that Keno Davis would eventually replace his father, it made more sense. Keno wasn't going to get a head coaching job any other way, so he'll get one this way, by following his father.

That's how it looks. At Washington State, that's how it is. Dick Bennett, a sweetheart of a man, told me last week that he came out of retirement to Washington State because he knew that if he did a solid job, Tony Bennett would have a great shot at replacing him. At least he was honest.

Good as he turned out to be, Tom Davis got his first head coaching position at tiny little Lafayette. Bob Knight debuted at Army. Dick Bennett? He started at a high school, then went to Division III, then to a small Division I school, then to Wisconsin. That's what qualified coaches do. They work their way up.

Being Daddy's Boy, though, means never having to say "I'm hungry." And it's not fair -- not to other coaches who deserve these jobs, and not to these schools' fans, who deserve more than a nepotism hire.

Last week I spoke with Tom Davis, Dick Bennett and Texas Tech athletics director Gerald Myers. (Bob and Pat Knight don't talk to me, which is fine. Their company isn't all that.) All three gave the same basic defense: (A) these sons are qualified because (B) by growing up with successful fathers, their learning curve has been faster than the average assistant.

Fair enough. But if Pat Knight is ready for Texas Tech, why couldn't he get hired by Wright State, or interviewed by Loyola? If Keno Davis is ready for the Missouri Valley, why does he literally have zero name recognition in college basketball? And as good as Tony Bennett may be -- and he's the only one of these three guys with a chance -- is he truly ready to compete with UCLA's Ben Howland, Washington's Lorenzo Romar, Arizona's Lute Olson and Arizona State's Herb Sendek?

Of course not. Tony Bennett should fight for the job at Idaho or Montana State before getting handed Washington State. Keno Davis is a borderline MVC assistant, nothing more. Pat Knight? Already turned down by the dregs of college basketball, Pat should stay an assistant coach until it's time to sell vacuum cleaners.

This is your fault, Sean Sutton. And for the love of God, stop smiling about the future promotion of Pat Knight.

E-Villan
05-19-2006, 11:28 AM
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea needs to look no farther than DePaul. After the success and tradition Ray Meyer established, Joey proved he couldn't coach dogs to meat let alone guide a D-1 program. They still haven't recovered.

There are countless examples of successful businesses failing after an incompetent son, daughter, nephew etc took over the business. Why would any D-1 program tie their hands to this and take on such risk is beyond me.

Sean Sutton is the rare exception.

MSNSaluki
05-19-2006, 12:50 PM
wow ... doyel finally wrote something that makes a bit of sense.

DoubleJayAlum
05-19-2006, 02:14 PM
On a related note, Eddie Sutton is resigning right now.

outpost
05-19-2006, 02:26 PM
Well, WSU had the Smithsons.....about 3 coaches in between father and son, though......glad we've moved on from them.

I'd welcome them both back if they chose to return and visit. Don't think it's in the cards, though.

Good memories, especially when father was coach and son was a player. Memories not as good when son returned to coach. Both landed on their feet, and I'm very happy for them.

NoBSU
05-20-2006, 09:22 AM
On a related note, Eddie Sutton is resigning right now.

Which is a big reason for the article.

Doyle likes to back-up Okie Lite people. Remember his article six weeks or so ago that Barry Hinson was a candidate for the Kansas State job. Has anyone else reported that so-called piece of inside knowledge? Hinson used that article to get some local Springfield press that "oh fear, fear, Hinson may be hired away" but instead of a contract extension from the Missouri State administration, he received more of a implied don't let the door hit you on your ...

So now it is a two birds with one stone for Doyle. He gets to bolster Sutton and bash Knight in the same article.

WuDrWu
05-20-2006, 11:10 AM
Some day soon, Keno Davis will be the head coach at Drake. Some day shortly after that, Drake basketball will plunge to the bottom of the Missouri Valley Conference. This also is Sean Sutton's fault.


2 questions: 1)Is it really going to take a plunge? 2)If that happens won't it be more the fault of Kurt Kanaske (sp) than Sean Sutton? I mean I realize Sean sucks, but jeez.....:original:

DUBulldog
05-20-2006, 12:17 PM
Some day soon, Keno Davis will be the head coach at Drake. Some day shortly after that, Drake basketball will plunge to the bottom of the Missouri Valley Conference. This also is Sean Sutton's fault.


2 questions: 1)Is it really going to take a plunge? 2)If that happens won't it be more the fault of Kurt Kanaske (sp) than Sean Sutton? I mean I realize Sean sucks, but jeez.....:original:

1. When you're already in the bottom half every year, it's really not much of a plunge. It's impossible to say what will happen when Keno takes over, but I don't know of any Drake fans who are eager for it to happen. Keno's a nice guy, and he might turn out to be a fine coach....but I don't think he's proven himself worthy of coaching at this level. And, I think that's the main point of Doyel's article....guys like Pat Knight and Keno haven't had to earn it.

2. There's more than enough fault to go around for the Drake basketball mess. Sure, you can blame Kanaskie.....he certainly took the program to new lows (record-wise). You can also blame athletic directors, who made a series of poor hires. If I had to blame one person, it would be Bob Karnes, who was athletic director up until the mid-80's. In 1971, Drake was coming off 3 consecutive Elite 8 appearances, including one final 4. Coach Maury John left for Iowa State, due to Karnes unwillingness to pay him what he deserved. The coaching decision came down to an assistant coach for Louisville (then an MVC member) and an assistant coach for UCLA....both of whom wanted the job badly. Karnes picked the Louisville assistant, Howard Stacey, who immediately ran the program into the ground. The other finalist who was passed up.....some guy named Denny Crum. That could go down as one of the poorest decisions in NCAA history. Other coaches who have applied for the Drake job and not been hired.....Bruce Weber and Bob Huggins.

bballer250
05-20-2006, 01:52 PM
It sounds like the person to blame at Drake must be the current AD ... why would an AD agree to name someone with no experience and no track record as the next head coach?? I really don't think the old coach [Kanaskie] had any imflunce over the decision. I don't know anything about the situation there ... maybe some of the Drake fans can fill in the blanks for the rest of us.

DUBulldog
05-20-2006, 03:13 PM
It sounds like the person to blame at Drake must be the current AD ... why would an AD agree to name someone with no experience and no track record as the next head coach??

There is no current AD at Drake....the decision was announced by the president of the university. Most Drake fans think that this was part of the original deal in hiring Tom Davis....he took the job with the understanding that his son would follow him as head coach.

Mecha_Bulldog
05-20-2006, 03:41 PM
I'm guessing that before this announcement, every team competing with Drake for recruits used the uncertainty of Dr Tom's tenure against them. He could retire at any time, and who knows what Drake's next coach will be. Naming Keno the next head coach now at least lets recruits know the coaching staff will still be around when they graduate.

Jayfan
05-20-2006, 03:48 PM
Do you think maybe the only reason Dr. Tom came back to coaching, was to get his son a job? Very crafty, same with Knight.

bballer250
05-20-2006, 09:33 PM
If Keno really is as inexperienced as this article would suggest, I doubt any MVC coaches are shaking in their boots ...

Rasputin
05-20-2006, 10:05 PM
How could anyone think Drake would improve with Keno Davis? If Tom Davis cannot get Drake past the middle-of-the-pack in the MVC, there is no way Keno will be able to. Which is why I hope Dr. Tom sticks around for awhile, he is probably Drake's only hope for the forseeable future.

bballer250
05-21-2006, 07:19 AM
Do you really think Dr. Tom will stick around?? I think in the release information that annouced the "Keno as the next Head Coach" deal, it said Keno has a contract through 2010-11 ... that's only 5 years from today ... if his Dad sticks around for too many more years it will just cut into his earning potential ... and will a new AD coming online who is hopefully more respective than the last one that let this deal slide through I don't see how he could be planning to stay any more than 1 year at tops, or maybe even just stepping down before this season gets under way ...

Mecha_Bulldog
05-21-2006, 08:00 AM
Dr Tom has said that the only reason he wouldn't coach next year is if his health suddenly deteriorates. I suppose the new AD could force him out, but that's extremely unlikely. No one really knows how long he'll stick around, but I assume he'll retire after one or two more seasons.

DUBulldog
05-21-2006, 09:29 AM
Even before this was announced, I'd heard Dr Tom say that Keno would do best taking over a program that had already achieved some success, so I could see Tom sticking around for another couple of years in the hope that Keno inherits a better program. Drake will probably be better next season, but they will lose 4 key players after that. I'm not sure if 2007-08 would be the right season for Keno to take over, since the Bulldogs will probably be in rebuilding mode that season.

I don't see Tom Davis coaching more than 1-2 more seasons, but he might have other ideas.

As Mecha Bulldog pointed out, the main reason for this move was to help in recruiting, as players considering Drake might have been scared off by uncertainty over who would actually be their coach by the time they were a junior or senior.

bballer250
05-21-2006, 08:00 PM
Looks like they still will have to fear who will be their coach ... no track record ... no experience ... who knows what kind of coach Keno will be ...I'm not sure I'd want to send my kids into a situation like that ...

Dawg_tired
05-22-2006, 11:00 AM
I don't think Dr. Tom retires and hands the reigns over to Keno until he's loaded up on players. Which hasn't happened yet. Though I have heard that the kid from Okalhoma will surprise people and will be a major contributor next year. I can see Dr. Tom handing over more and more responsibiltiy as time goes on. It might end up looking like a chairman and a president kind of thing.