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Ace Dad
03-05-2006, 10:59 AM
The Numbers, Gamed?

Missouri Valley Conference Teams Have Used Savvy Scheduling to Boost Their RPI and Possibly Burst the Bubble Hopes of Some Major Programs

By Eric Prisbell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 5, 2006; E01



It was not unusual Wednesday to see two ACC coaches greet each other before a critical game, shake hands and engage in a brief pregame chat. The unusual part was the topic of conversation: the Missouri Valley Conference.

No men's basketball conference has sparked more debate this season among coaches and commissioners than the MVC, a 10-team conference spread across six Midwestern states that has become, by some measures, one of the nation's best. The Valley has never had more than three teams make the NCAA tournament but could land as many as six invitations this season, maybe more than traditional power conferences such as the ACC, Big 12 and Pacific-10.

Shrewd scheduling practices, increased parity across the country and a few key nonconference victories have boosted the Valley's position in the Rating Percentage Index, a mathematical measurement of a team's strength that is used by the NCAA selection committee to help determine tournament berths.

Four seasons after being rated the nation's 14th-best conference in the RPI, the Valley ranks sixth. And Friday, before the start of the MVC tournament quarterfinals in St. Louis, the Valley was one of three conferences (joining the Big East and the Big Ten) with at least six teams in the RPI's top 45.

"I've been beating the drum since October, when I told everyone to get on top of the hill and sing like Julie Andrews in the 'Sound of Music,' " Missouri State Coach Barry Hinson said. "Whether you want to call it a fluke or a phenomenon, so be it. I rest my case: It's the sixth-best conference in the country."

The NCAA tournament selection committee will decide how much weight to give the Valley's gaudy RPI rankings when the 65-team field is unveiled a week from today. Last season, no team with an RPI ranking worse than 63rd received an at-large bid, and no team with an RPI ranking better than 39th was left out.

But some coaches, whose teams also are jockeying for tournament bids, suggest privately and publicly that the Valley's RPI credentials are inflated, and that they have outsmarted the computer formula. Doug Elgin, the Valley's commissioner, has heard coaches such as Houston's Tom Penders refer to the Valley's "hype machine" and such analysts as ESPN's Jay Bilas say the selection committee needs to look beyond RPI numbers.

"Any major coach hiding behind that notion that we have cracked the code, tell that coach to come play our teams and see how overrated we are," Elgin said. "That notion that we have somehow outsmarted the system is a bunch of crap. . . . It's easy to make those statements when you're not willing to back it up."

In response, Maryland Coach Gary Williams said: "They haven't been banging down anyone's door in the ACC to play. The phone works both ways, last time I checked."

Penders praised the Valley as a conference but added that it does not include a team he would be afraid to play on a neutral court.

"What is RPI, garbage in and garbage out?" Penders said, speaking in general about the formula. "How do you build RPI, go out and play no one? If it's just a computer thing this year, I was born in 1945, I don't know much about computers. . . . The committee will dictate what guys do the next few years. If teams are rewarded for playing no one in the computers, then we should all do that."

As many as six Valley teams could be seeded anywhere from sixth to 12th in the NCAA tournament, according to some projections, even though Creighton Coach Dana Altman readily admits that the conference lacks a great team. Houston's Conference USA, however, has only two teams -- Alabama-Birmingham and Memphis -- ranked in the RPI's top 50, even though Memphis remains in contention for a No. 1 seed in the NCAA tournament. Similarly, the Atlantic 10 consists of one-loss George Washington and only one other team, Saint Joseph's (15-12), ranked in the RPI's top 50.

"The Missouri Valley needs to be studied," Saint Joseph's Coach Phil Martelli said. "How did they get there? What did they do? I do think we have to look at what is going on -- where are our numbers falling short? And we're going to need administrators at some schools to back their coaches. If there needs to be changes, let's make changes."

Elgin decided to make a change in early 2000 after seeing the Valley's nonconference strength-of-schedule ranking drop from eighth to 25th. The conference decided to withhold an annual $50,000 NCAA tournament distribution from programs that did not play a nonconference schedule consisting of opponents with a three-year average RPI of 149 or better. Two teams, Elgin said, did not make the cut. But Elgin ditched the policy after two years, and now the league office works in conjunction with teams to assemble nonconference schedules.

"They've outsmarted it? Good," said Thomas Yeager, the commissioner of the Colonial Athletic Association. "A lot of these coaches from bigger programs think [at-large bids are] a birthright in their league or in their program. Look at some of the nonconference schedules they play. The home team wins two out of every three games, regardless of whether you are Duke or St. Mary's of the Swamp. If I'm sitting in one of those power leagues, all I'm trying to do is hold serve at home and maybe sweep a couple of the bottom-feeders. You have teams coming out of the Colonial and the Valley that are crashing the party, and some of the guys that might get squeezed out don't think it's right."

Critics affiliated with larger conferences say Valley teams rarely play stiff competition outside their conference. But, as Yeager explained, some big programs routinely avoid strong smaller programs to "go find Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs to play."

Williams said the ACC and its teams need to examine the RPI and decide whether it is beneficial to continue to schedule difficult nonconference opponents. Williams suggested that it might be better to play a lower-ranked team on the road, even though that takes away one revenue-generating home game.

Williams, who compared the RPI to the Da Vinci Code, also said the ACC should consider lobbying for its teams more aggressively because the MVC has "done a great job publicity-wise, I'll say that for them."

"Somebody has" beaten the RPI, Williams added. "The Missouri Valley has. I've looked at all their schedules. They didn't play anybody. If they would have played all the Big Ten teams or something, then that's different. The only thing I can figure, and I don't know if this is true, is if you lose to a team with a pretty good RPI, that's better than beating a team that has a low RPI. If you look at our league, those stats, what's the problem?"

Consider the top six teams in the Valley and the ACC, all potential NCAA tournament teams. The ACC group played 43 games against top 50 competition, including 13 opponents outside the ACC. The Valley group played 68 games against top 50 competition, but only eight opponents outside the Valley. In games against top 50 teams outside their conference, the Valley group is 4-4 and the ACC group is 9-4.

One outcome that significantly helped the Valley came when Northern Iowa won at highly rated Louisiana State on Dec. 19. Northern Iowa Coach Greg McDermott and Elgin had discussed whether to schedule the game, but Elgin felt the decision was a "lobbed softball" because the Panthers were experienced and many of the Tigers' fans were expected to be away for the holidays.

"We rolled the dice, and it worked out," McDermott said. "Not only has it benefited us, but everyone in our league has benefited."

The victory lifted Northern Iowa to 11th in the RPI rankings, which meant every other Valley team would benefit from playing, and beating, the Panthers during the conference season. In turn, other Valley teams would then be rewarded for playing other teams that beat Northern Iowa, which finished 11-7 in conference play.

"They study the RPI and the mechanics and know the formula," said Craig Thompson, the Mountain West Conference commissioner and a former chair of the selection committee. "They start out the conference with a high RPI, then when they keep playing each other it's like a vortex, just feeding on itself. I don't know if that's outsmarting it, but they've done a great job utilizing the formula."

The "vortex" effect, in which conference teams benefit from playing each other, is nothing new to college basketball -- it has helped power conferences for years -- but it is a change for the Valley, which has not been this deep in the past. Another change will come this week, Wichita State Coach Mark Turgeon noted, when a half-dozen Valley teams start rooting for teams in other conference tournaments, all in the interest of improving seeding or receiving an at-large berth. And when the committee reveals the 65-team field next Sunday, they will find out how much strength there is in numbers.

"If you look at the RPI, look at the strength of schedules, look at what our conference has done, I rest on that," Hinson said. "If I were in a court of law, I would look at the judge and look at the jury and say, 'Your Honor and ladies and gentleman of the jury, I rest my case.' "

© 2006 The Washington Post Company

Ace Dad
03-05-2006, 11:06 AM
Guys, there is always pressure to win NCAA games. But this year the MVC and the CAA will be carrying the banner for so-called mid majors. I think it is unprecedented for college coaches to belittle a conference in the media as Gary Williams and Tom Penders did. Too bad Maryland is going to the NIT. I would love for a MVC team to "spank that boody." Penders is a jerk. Last year he spouted off about our basketball.

If we get 5 teams in and all five make a first round exit, we will set back the MVC by 5-7 years before the national media pays any attention to our teams.

If we get 5 teams in and all five advance, we send a message.

The truth is somewhere in the middle and we will see.

I say we play 3 or 4 ACC teams next year:D Alright, pass the wine!

barkeep1967
03-05-2006, 11:07 AM
Nice Ace Dad thanks for the post.

On a side note playing games on the road greatly improves the RPI. These other coaches damn well know that. If they admitted it however they might actually have to do it.

XSaluki
03-05-2006, 11:10 AM
"If they would have played all the Big Ten teams or something, then that's different."

That quote makes this article worthless.

CincyShocker
03-05-2006, 11:12 AM
Gary Williams, what a freaking baby! Cry all you want Gary, the bottom line is your headed to the NIT.

"Somebody has" beaten the RPI, Williams added. "The Missouri Valley has. I've looked at all their schedules. They didn't play anybody. If they would have played all the Big Ten teams or something, then that's different. The only thing I can figure, and I don't know if this is true, is if you lose to a team with a pretty good RPI, that's better than beating a team that has a low RPI. If you look at our league, those stats, what's the problem?"

This goes beyond ignorance to plain jealousy. Haven't played anybody huh Gary boy? I guess Illinois, Michigan State, Iowa, LSU, Boston College, Indiana, etc. classify as "nobody".

getreal4
03-05-2006, 11:15 AM
Thanks for the article AceDad I hope several Valley teams call to schedule home & aways with ACC teams and report the results. We all know what those results will be...

cjp27
03-05-2006, 11:16 AM
I'm sure any team in the league would play anyone on a home and home basis. Just because we don't want to play 3 for 1's against the ACC doesn't mean we won't play them. The BCS schools are the ones that need to man up and play us.

pawball
03-05-2006, 11:17 AM
Can't believe this guy didn't mention the fact that the BCS schools are totally unwilling, for the most part, play home-n-home games with Valley schools.

kyyle23
03-05-2006, 11:18 AM
I think every team in the MVC should call Williams and ask for a home and home matchup against Maryland, and then tell the papers wether he accepts or not. What a jag-off.

cjp27
03-05-2006, 11:18 AM
I'm sure his phone would suddenly quit working then.:mad:

RoyalShock
03-05-2006, 11:44 AM
First, I want to remind everyone that according to the posting rules, full articles are not supposed to be posted. Please include no more than a short excerpt and a link to the story. We'll let this one slide.

Having said that, it is now clear if it wasn't before, that idiots like Gary Williams refuse to believe that anyone outside the "cowardly 6" could be good enough to justify a decent RPI. He makes such outlandish claims (play the entire Big10? What!?!?!?) that the ACC commissioner ought to be trying to convince Mrs. Williams to consult a mental health professional.

I also have to laugh at Pender's remark that he's not afraid to play any Valley team on a nuetral court. Tom, you're such a brave man.

And now it's time to bash the author:
Consider the top six teams in the Valley and the ACC, all potential NCAA tournament teams. The ACC group played 43 games against top 50 competition, including 13 opponents outside the ACC. The Valley group played 68 games against top 50 competition, but only eight opponents outside the Valley. In games against top 50 teams outside their conference, the Valley group is 4-4 and the ACC group is 9-4.

Maybe that is the reason the ACC is 3rd and the MVC is 6th? That was just a stupid paragraph by itself.

Pathetic.

bvillecat
03-05-2006, 11:45 AM
This goes beyond ignorance to plain jealousy. Haven't played anybody huh Gary boy? I guess Illinois, Michigan State, Iowa, LSU, Boston College, Indiana, etc. classify as "nobody".

The problem I have is with teams like MSU. The average RPI rank for the teams they have beat OOC is 163. They haven't beat anyone OOC. I guess you could say, Wis-Milwaukee, but then again, they have beat NO ONE OOC either.

The same with WSU. They average RPI rank of teams they have beat OOC is 182! They, again, have beat no one of worth. I can't imagine a BCS conference team with that resume trying to get in with those type of quality wins OOC.

Creighton, at least they have beat some teams that are "respectable." Evne then, the average RPI ofthe teams they have beaten OOC is 156.

SIU's is 162. And that's not counting losses to Monmouth, DII Alaska Anchorage, and St. Louis (which, IMO isn't THAT bad of a loss). But if you're a team trying to convince the committee to accept you, then you have to beat teams like this.

SO as a fan of a BCS conference and school, you can see why I think these stats are overblown. I personally think the MVC should only get 3 teams in this year. Right now, I'd put Northern Iowa, Bradley (who is playing the best basketball out of anyone in the MVC right now), and probably WSU. But that's just my opinion, but feel free to criticize any of the points I brought up.

-Z-
03-05-2006, 11:50 AM
It's very hard for Valley teams to get home-and-home game with other leagues. ISU has to agree to a 2-for-1 just to get Indiana to come to Terre Haute. Still, the lowly Sycamores have won three of the last four against the Hoosiers, two of them in Hulman Center.
:D :D

RoyalShock
03-05-2006, 11:57 AM
bvillecat,

Maybe as a BCS fan, instead of criticizing the MVC, start petitioning your coach(s) to play us on the court, instead of in the computers.

If they are too afraid to play a home-and-home with teams they think are overrated, then they really have no room to gripe. If the RPI is part of the game, kudos to Elgin for learning the rules.

And someone should tell Gary Williams that the phone does indeed work in both directions. If he doesn't like being left out in favor of MVC teams, maybe he should call one of our coaches to schedule some games to prove his theory. He's a hypocrite.

OilerPimp
03-05-2006, 11:57 AM
Maryland?...hmmm...well, let's see:
10 of their first 11 non-conference games (excluding the Maui Inv. ((where they lost by 12 to Gonzaga and then beat that powerhouse Charminade))) leading in to ACC play, were at HOME.

They've won 1, count 'em 1, road game ALL YEAR. (Ga. Tech)

Get off your stump Mr. Williams.

iSASO
03-05-2006, 12:07 PM
The RPI is the system endorsed by the BCS schools to benefit themselves. They love it until it backfires on them.

Who cares about the lack of major OOC wins by WSU and MSU? The numbers are the numbers based on a whole season of play.

You can't fault anyone for using the system to their advantage.

This is now several years in a row where the MVC has used the big boys' system to its advantage. The whiners who now complain have two choices:

1. Play MVC teams on some kind of equitable basis to make their point
or
2. Find some other quality opponents to play ON THE ROAD in the non-conference.

Stop hiding behind poor teams on your non-con schedule that drive revenue for home games and drive down your RPI.
If you're so much better, shut up and play. Have some confidence in your supposedly superior team. Shut up and play.

ValleyGuy
03-05-2006, 12:14 PM
Gary Williams may want to look at his own schedule if he wants to talk about playing "nobody"

Maryland’s non-conference/RPI
Farleigh Dickinson - 144
Gonzaga -9
Chaminade – Non- DI
Arkansas - 46
Nicholls State - 293
Minnesota - 70
George Washington - 29
Western Carolina - 244
American - 221
Delaware State - 126
Virginia Military Institute - 318
TX A&M – Corpus Christi - 205
Temple -61


I'll go out on a limb and say FIVE games against 200+ RPIs (one 300+) is playing some nobodies.

They then played the 6th place A10 team (Temple - Lost) and the 10th place Big Ten team (Minny - Win).

Their Non-conference had some gems (Gonzaga - Lost, George Washington - Lost, Arkansas - Win) - but it certainly had some stinkers.

I'm pretty sure there isn't a team in the Valley that played that many 200+ RPIs.

Maryland is the last school that should be talking this season

MSNSaluki
03-05-2006, 12:22 PM
I've suspected the Valley's RPI has been a bit inflated all year. It was hard for me to fathom SIU, which seems to have a lot of holes, had an RPI of 18 at one point midway through the conference season.

That being said, the BCS schools have played this same game for years. The Vanderbilts and Clemsons and Colorados and Rutgers of the world ride the coattails of the heavyweights in their conference and seemingly are bubble teams because of their inflated RPI. Now, the Valley has the same game plan and it's manipulation.

Gary Williams can crawl up my *** and take a deep breath. So can Tom Penders.

Those two can ***** and moan all they want when the meet in the first round of the NIT.

iSASO
03-05-2006, 12:26 PM
You see, they also bank on the belief that no one will look up their schedule to see how big of a hypocrite they are. Shame on you for relying on facts. You're not playing "fair".

SalukiProf
03-05-2006, 12:31 PM
bvillecat,

Your argument has some merit, but it is hypocritical to argue it unless you apply the same standard to BCS schools. Take, for example, Connecticut. The average RPI of the teams they beat out of conference is 177, as compared with SIU at 162, MSU at 163, and WSU at 182. Only ONE of Connecticuts OOC wins was a true away game - and that was against mighty Pepperdine, which has an RPI of 244. [SIU won away OOC at Kent State (61) and Murray State (64); MSU won away OOC at Wisconsin-Milwaukee (57); even WSU's best OOC win at San Francisco (184) beats Connecticut.

*sarcasm*
Naturally, that means that Connecticut's RPI of 3 is inflated, that they do not deserve a #1 seed, and that the Big East is a worthless conference and only deserves three bids, right?
*sarcasm*

GO VALLEY!

Hail Red & White
03-05-2006, 12:35 PM
Being objective here. I think it is fair to say that the MVC teams really have not played many highly-touted teams from the BCS leagues. We are fixated with the home-and-home matchups against our more reknowned in-state rivals. If it doesn't happen for our teams, maybe we should "bite the bullet" and schedule one (and only one) road game at these places (provided they even want to play us) and show them what we've got. Indiana, Purdue, Iowa State, and Iowa seem willing to go home and home or at least 2 for 1 with Drake, UNI, UE, and INS. Illinois would only play BU, SIU, or ILS in Champaign, while Kansas, Missouri, and Kansas State seem unwilling to play WSU or MSU anywhere. I will give props to Indiana. Of all the BCS teams, they were willing to play road games this year at Indiana State, Ball State, and Western Illinois. Not the most glamorous thing for the Hoosiers to do, but it created quite a buzz in Terre Haute, Muncie, and Macomb.

For the Williams comments about the MVC, I kinda dismiss them. ACC teams won't even go on the road to face their CAA neighbors! Granted, half the CAA arenas are smaller than pretty much all of the MVC venues, but still, they play pretty good basketball. I read on the CAAZone that Doug Elgin and CAA commish were kicking around the idea of a CAA-MVC challenge in the future. Is this true? If so, what do you think about it?

TNMSUFAN
03-05-2006, 12:44 PM
Just from reading the article you could almost see a MVC vs CAA challenge coming and if it gets us exposure on ESPN I am ok with it.

-Z-
03-05-2006, 12:52 PM
Sounds great. Let's get ESPN to broadcast it in early Dec. and drop out of the bracketbuster.

Scalare76
03-05-2006, 12:56 PM
That article has some humor. I can't believe the animosity surrounding this issue. Kudos to the Valley!! The NCAA dished out the rules with the formula and we have played by their rules. No reason to complain....they set the law and we followed. My thinking on why the Valley is so high is because we have a lot of teams that are probably between the 25th and 50th best team in the country. Nobody is great, but all are good. We really don't have any bottom feeders. Indiana St beat Indiana <snicker> <snicker>

Ace Dad
03-05-2006, 01:05 PM
Royal, you are right, I will only post links in the future.

txsaluki05
03-05-2006, 01:12 PM
Wow, thanks for posting that, that really pissed me off. Where does Gary Williams live? I'd love to knock on his door and throw his unbelievably strong schedule in his face. Bring the Terrapins to Carbondale; hell we'll go to college park next year. Wow I'm so mad I'm not even thinking straight.

scottpt99UE
03-05-2006, 01:15 PM
I wonder if Gary would play a Big Ten team if it wasn't for the ACC/Big 10 Challenge. I think the Committee is gonna say lets see how good the MVC is, and put atleast 4 of us in. Then like acedad if all 4 lose everyone says told you so and we drop back down. Once we win 3 or 4 and 2 make it to the second weekend, everyone says maybe the MVC is for real. We can all send some cheese to Gary Williams and Digger so that can have a big feast.

I am just thinking here but if all 10 MVC teams played Maryland on a neutral court, I think we right around 5-5.

bvillecat
03-05-2006, 01:31 PM
bvillecat,

Your argument has some merit, but it is hypocritical to argue it unless you apply the same standard to BCS schools. Take, for example, Connecticut. The average RPI of the teams they beat out of conference is 177, as compared with SIU at 162, MSU at 163, and WSU at 182. Only ONE of Connecticuts OOC wins was a true away game - and that was against mighty Pepperdine, which has an RPI of 244. [SIU won away OOC at Kent State (61) and Murray State (64); MSU won away OOC at Wisconsin-Milwaukee (57); even WSU's best OOC win at San Francisco (184) beats Connecticut.

*sarcasm*
Naturally, that means that Connecticut's RPI of 3 is inflated, that they do not deserve a #1 seed, and that the Big East is a worthless conference and only deserves three bids, right?
*sarcasm*

GO VALLEY!


I completely agree that teams like UConn and Pitt (whom I think OOC is worse than UConn if I'm not mistaken) do not schedule well OOC. BUT, they KNOW that their schedule is going to look pretty good after playing in conference. MVC teams HAVE to schedule some big time teams AND beat some of those teams to prove their worth. Northern Iowa has proved they can beat some good major conference teams while most of other MVC teams have not.

But overall, it's just not fair for the MVC. I think they're in the middle between a mid-major and the major conference teams, but they're still not close yet. I just think, besides beating each other up in conference, most MVC teams haven't proved to be better than some of the major conference bubble teams.

shocker3
03-05-2006, 01:35 PM
Sounds great. Let's get ESPN to broadcast it in early Dec. and drop out of the bracketbuster.


I agree. I think a MVC-CAA December challenge would be great.

If we could get espn to cover it, then I would also say drop out of bracketbusters.

iSASO
03-05-2006, 01:37 PM
When BCS schools beat each other up in their conferences, it's because they play in tough leagues. It's an advantage they have.

When the MVC does the very same thing, it's used against them.

More hypocritical double-standards.

MVC Fan
03-05-2006, 02:19 PM
I personally loved the comments by CAA commish Yaeger. Sounded like he was very adamant that these big boys were full of crap. Hope he talked to the AD at George Mason who is on the committee and gave him instructions to stick up for the CAA, MVC, and similar leagues.

Wish the writer would've done a better job noting, too, that many of those ppl ripping the MVC, it is in their best interests to do so.

ISASO, you're exactly right. This has become so tiring, having to defend this league at every stop from things that other leagues are equally guilty of. This is exactly the same junk St. Joseph's had to go through a few yrs ago, just because they had the audacity to become one of the best teams in the country. Just hope this league shuts some mouths in two weeks just like the Hawks did.

DaShox
03-05-2006, 04:35 PM
Gary Williams, University of Maryland

clongtho@umd.edu
(301) 314-7029

http://umterps.collegesports.com/school-bio/md-coaches.html

Enjoy answering your phone, Gary.

Yoshi
03-05-2006, 04:42 PM
Gary Williams, University of Maryland

clongtho@umd.edu
(301) 314-7029

http://umterps.collegesports.com/school-bio/md-coaches.html

Enjoy answering your phone, Gary.

Everyone here send this contact information to your AD along with quote from Williams and ask them to demand a one for one with Williams. Also, ask your AD to report the results back to the WAPOST. With Williams getting ten calls from the MVC, I can guarantee how many of us will see Maryland on the schedule next year. Exactly ZERO.

DaShox
03-05-2006, 04:44 PM
Tom Penders, University of Houston
(713) 743-9430
FAX (713) 743-9429

http://uhcougars.collegesports.com/school-bio/hou-school-bio-directory.html


Funny comment by Penders about "neutral courts". What? Don't want to play at Koch Arena again, Tommy? Why not? Keep talking.....it's perfect NCAA billboard material for the MVC.

MVC 4 Life
03-05-2006, 05:00 PM
I think this is a good article for the MVC. It shows how the BCS schools do the same that the MVC schools have done. GO MVC. I notice COLD has not post on this thread because he is not a MVC fan, just a WSU fan.

Nyghtewynd
03-05-2006, 05:05 PM
Who wants to play freaking Houston, anyway? I heard you get NCAA sanctions just from being in the same room as that team.

Yoshi
03-05-2006, 05:13 PM
Who wants to play freaking Houston, anyway? I heard you get NCAA sanctions just from being in the same room as that team.

Hahahaha! LMFAO!

Here is his secretary's email: mbrandle@mail.uh.edu. Maybe she can relay the message to that fat head with bad hair that ANY Valley team will play Houston (hahahahaha) on a neutral floor anywhere! Just be sure to mention that it won't be on a neutral NCAA floor, because he isn't going!! :D

DaShox
03-05-2006, 05:24 PM
Maryland Non-Conference Schedule
Fairleigh Dickinson @ College Park, Md.
Gonzaga (Maui Inv.) - Terps lost by 12
Chaminade (Maui Inv.)
Arkansas (Maui Inv.)
Nicholls State @ College Park, Md.
Minnesota (ACC-Big Ten Challenge) @ College Park, Md.
George Washington (BB&T Classic) @ Washington, D.C.
Western Carolina @ College Park, Md.[/B]
American @ College Park, Md
Delaware State @ College Park, Md
VMI @ College Park, Md
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi @ College Park, Md

7 cupcakes all at home. Why don't you look up those RPI's? Oooh, yeah that's different. Wanna come to Koch Arena, Gary? Ask Leonard Hamilton what his trip was like.

saluki_in_ohio
03-05-2006, 05:28 PM
This is what I get off of the University of Maryland website:

Gary B. Williams
gwillia1@umd.edu University of Maryland, College Park
Head Coach BB
PRES-ICA-Men's Basketball 0715 Comcast Center
University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742-1011
phone: +1 301 314 7029

saluki_in_ohio
03-05-2006, 05:32 PM
Tom Penders email addy:


Contact Information
Full Name: Thomas V Penders Affiliation: Staff
E-Mail: tvpenders@uh.edu
Phone: Fax:
Pager: Mobile:
Web Page:
Faculty/Staff Departmental Information
Title: Head Coach
Building:

skinny_uncle
03-05-2006, 05:37 PM
It's our fault that the ADs at the Valley schools are smarter at scheduling than the guys at BCS schools. Tricky of us. Maybe they can figure it out someday.
:D

Lurking Dog
03-05-2006, 06:44 PM
Valley teams will exit the tournament faster than Billy Packer can say "DU Bulldog is a tough little monkey."

With that in mind, I suspect I'll be visiting the sports book a week from Monday.

WuDrWu
03-05-2006, 08:36 PM
I think every team in the MVC should call Williams and ask for a home and home matchup against Maryland, and then tell the papers wether he accepts or not. What a jag-off.

What an outstanding idea. Someone forward to Doug Elgin and every Valley AD office as well as every team's media outlet and whatever fish wrap wrote the article.

"You've reached the office of Gary Williams. I'm not in right now, but if you'll leave a message, I'll get back with you just as soon as I find my stones."

uni27
03-06-2006, 12:07 AM
Gary should be more concerned that his best player flunked out mid season and all three of his seniors have been arrested in the last couple of years. Real class act.

http://www.caazone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=30410

brokeback shocker
03-06-2006, 12:14 PM
What a punk.

Maryland doesn't play the mid-majors right in his area (George Mason and George Washington) so why would he start playing anyone else.

Aargh
03-06-2006, 02:19 PM
For years one of the excuses the BCS teams have used for not scheduling Valley teams is, "We get all the RPI boost we need in our league - why should we play you?"

BCS scheduling habits (OOC cupcakes at home and one OOC against a "name" for RPI purposes) bit them in the backside this year. The Valley scheduled OOC home-and-homes with a lot of RPI 70 - 200 teams while many BCS schools scheduled OOC mainly as home games against RPI 200+ teams.

A road win against an RPI 170 team gets more RPI points than a home win against an RPI 220 team.

The NCAA sent a pretty clear message when it changed the formula to rewarding road wins. The BCS teams ignored the message.

This year the Valley played the BCS "in-conference RPI boost game". I guess only the BCS schools are "allowed" to work the system that way. Here's the results:

Top-50 RPI teams

B10 - 7 out of 11 (64%)
BEast - 9 out of 16 (56%)
ACC - 5 out of 12 (43%)
SEC - 6 out of 12 (50%)
B12 - 4 out of 12 (33%)
MVC - 6 out of 10 (60%)
P10 - 3 out of 10 (30%)

Want to talk about "working the system to inflate RPI" - just look at the B12. Baylor ends up with a 157 RPI BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED ANY OOC GAMES! If Baylor weren't on probation and allowed to play OOC games, they wouldn't have an RPI any where near that number. Then the MVC would be the #5 RPI conference and the B12 would be #6.

Scalare76
03-06-2006, 02:33 PM
One thing that is never brought up in these discussions is why there aren't other 'fluke' conferences. See, if the RPI was really that hosed then you would see more big conferences dropping back and more mids moving up. The only thing that is skewed in their eyes is the MVC. They're not complaining about the WAC or the Sun-Belt, Horizon, MAC, etc. It is just the Valley.

Let the debates continue, but if MSU does not get a bid then the NCAA is full of themselves. They will never be able to justify leaving a top 25 RPI out of the picture, and if they do, then they may as well toss the whole RPI out the window. The RPI may not be perfect and probably could use some tweaking, but overall it is a good indicator of a team.

The RPI is in place so the bias can be removed. You hear the pundits all the time acting like beating a named school means something (Nebraska was listed as a good win). The point of the RPI is to remove the name and conference assocation.

I saw in the Bracketology today that Western Kentucky was a 14 seed. What a friggin' joke. WKU is a damn good team this year and their RPI is low because of conference play.

Go Salukis!!

wsubball96
03-06-2006, 03:41 PM
Bottome line.... Don't fill your non-conference schedule with cupcakes.

As for Maryland - Their RPI would improve with conference play too except They have to win the conference games. They are at 8-8 with a total of 18 wins on the season and 7 wins being non-conference cupcake teams.

And they think they are getting screwed if they don't make the tourney...