The correct scheduling formula under current conditions

[LincolnJay]

Now that you can play in a holiday event every year, the correct formula is to schedule 1 fer 1's with like teams {A-10, MWC, CUSA, MAC} for the regular season and find a holiday tournament that gets you neutral games against Illinois, Texas, etc, etc. to build your RPI {especially if you win!}.

There, the argument is over. Now, let's move on.

:valley:

[WuDrWu]

As usual, your "I wish I was Notre Dame" arrogance has clouded any good judgement you might stumble upon in normal circumstances.

Hope, then hope some more while we test ourselves against the best.


Since it takes two to actually have an "arguement", now it's over.

:shockers: :valley:

[STLRedbird]

But if ESPN or CBS is acting as a matchmaker for a television game and it's a one and done, you take the deal. Then you do as Gonzaga did and you go out and win that game.

In the past 10 years, Ill St has...
... played h&h series with Wisconsin, Purdue, Pitt, St. Johns's, and presumably Cincinnatti.
... played 1&done games with Cincinnatti and Kansas
... played 2 of a horrible 3&done seriew with Illinois

Observations...
... playing a one and done does not kill your ability to schedule h&h series with BCS schools forevermore as some claim.
... 1&done games for natl tv audiences are ok in my book.
... Signing that 3&done deal with Illinois was a horrible mistake.

[Aargh]

the correct formula is to schedule 1 fer 1's with like teams {A-10, MWC, CUSA, MAC}

What do you do when those teams refuse to play you?

[iSASO]

But if ESPN or CBS is acting as a matchmaker for a television game and it's a one and done, you take the deal. Then you do as Gonzaga did and you go out and win that game.


Has Creighton and its fans given up on following the Gonzaga model? Seems that just a few days ago, that model was still accepted. Then when WSU duplicates it, suddenly it becomes a crime.

[WuDrWu]

But if ESPN or CBS is acting as a matchmaker for a television game and it's a one and done, you take the deal. Then you do as Gonzaga did and you go out and win that game.

In the past 10 years, Ill St has...
... played h&h series with Wisconsin, Purdue, Pitt, St. Johns's, and presumably Cincinnatti.
... played 1&done games with Cincinnatti and Kansas
... played 2 of a horrible 3&done seriew with Illinois

Observations...
... playing a one and done does not kill your ability to schedule h&h series with BCS schools forevermore as some claim.
... 1&done games for natl tv audiences are ok in my book.
... Signing that 3&done deal with Illinois was a horrible mistake.

Well put and a voice of reason in an otherwise dangerous board. :original:

[blueblood]

Has Creighton and its fans given up on following the Gonzaga model? Seems that just a few days ago, that model was still accepted. Then when WSU duplicates it, suddenly it becomes a crime.


Creighton does not follow the Gonzaga model. Never has. Gets some facts and then come back.

[rjl]

Creighton does not follow the Gonzaga model. Never has. Gets some facts and then come back.

The argument is that many Creighton posters on this board have considered Creighton the "Gonzaga of the midwest", as in the top 'mid-major' East of the Rockies and West of the Appalachians.

In other words, emulating Gonzaga.

But now that WSU is emulating what made Gonzaga Gonzaga, the firestorm erupts.

[Rasputin]

The argument is that many Creighton posters on this board have considered Creighton the "Gonzaga of the midwest", as in the top 'mid-major' East of the Rockies and West of the Appalachians.

In other words, emulating Gonzaga.

But now that WSU is emulating what made Gonzaga Gonzaga, the firestorm erupts.

So did Butler, UWM, Valpo, etc. They all made sweet 16 runs. Are/were they emulating Gonzaga too?

[MoValley John]

For whatever reason, I have shown a little restraint in not chiming in on this debate until now. Here are my thoughts. A. Creighton does not claim to emulate Gonzaga. The Gonzaga of the Midwest crap is just a moniker to denote a successful mid-major program. B. WSU can schedule anyone they want. C. CU and WSU fans on this forum are a bunch of hypocrites, SIU fan has been pretty consistent. D. The recent scheduling of Syracuse on WSU's schedule should pose a problem for RJL, as it now appears he needs to add at least 4 more colored gnats to his sig, as it seems, WSU has raised the ire of many.

For me, I want to watch the game, but it won't be on tv (see story on other thread).

[outpost]

So did Butler, UWM, Valpo, etc. They all made sweet 16 runs. Are/were they emulating Gonzaga too?

Has Valpo ever had Duke at home? I can remember at least a couple of games where Valpo visited Cameron. All within the last 3-4 years.

Now would one call that a 2-and-done, or two 1-and-dones???

Either way, that's worse than what WSU was able to reel in this week.

[rjl]

For whatever reason, I have shown a little restraint in not chiming in on this debate until now. Here are my thoughts. A. Creighton does not claim to emulate Gonzaga. The Gonzaga of the Midwest crap is just a moniker to denote a successful mid-major program. B. WSU can schedule anyone they want. C. CU and WSU fans on this forum are a bunch of hypocrites, SIU fan has been pretty consistent. D. The recent scheduling of Syracuse on WSU's schedule should pose a problem for RJL, as it now appears he needs to add at least 4 more colored gnats to his sig, as it seems, WSU has raised the ire of many.

For me, I want to watch the game, but it won't be on tv (see story on other thread).

Nah, it's OK if fans from other teams disagree with what WSU is doing. It's their perrogative, after all.

But Creightonians hold a special place for their affinity towards swarming around and trying to crap on all things WSU.

And I NEVER said that Creighton claims to emulate Gonzaga, I said that the Creighton fans on this board have claimed to in the past.

But now that WSU is emulating the path that Gonzaga took, it's those same fans that are crapping all over it.

[barkeep1967]

Either way, that's worse than what WSU was able to reel in this week.


I am not sure about that. I think you take Duke anytime anywhere they are the #1 elite team in the country period.

Remember I am still pissed SIU turned down the UNC game last year. I was not blasting WSU for taking the Syracuse game. ( until I found out there was no t.v.) My problem with it was the way CU and SIU were being talked down upon because of it.

[Rasputin]

Nah, it's OK if fans from other teams disagree with what WSU is doing. It's their perrogative, after all.

But Creightonians hold a special place for their affinity towards swarming around and trying to crap on all things WSU.

And I NEVER said that Creighton claims to emulate Gonzaga, I said that the Creighton fans on this board have claimed to in the past.

But now that WSU is emulating the path that Gonzaga took, it's those same fans that are crapping all over it.

You don't suppose that "affinity" has anything to do with how certain WSU fans have acted in the past, do you? Nah. You would rather believe it is jealousy or an obsession though, wouldn't ya? :naughty: WSU posters have been crapping on everybody (especially CU) since VT was started.

[rjl]

Has Valpo ever had Duke at home? I can remember at least a couple of games where Valpo visited Cameron. All within the last 3-4 years.

Now would one call that a 2-and-done, or two 1-and-dones???

Either way, that's worse than what WSU was able to reel in this week.

Just saw Rasputin's post in your quote.

All those teams made the S16, then it was over.

UWM lost it's coach to Tennessee. I think Butler lost theirs too. None of those teams has really done anything since thier run.

The difference between the Gonzaga model and those teams is that Gonzaga has BUILT on it's S16 appearances. It continues to improve. The S16 wasn't some goal that they met, and decided they wouldn't ever do anything greater.

WSU is aiming at the same thing. We made the S16 last year, but in order to get better we HAVE to take risks, we HAVE to continue and find teams we'll be considered the "underdog" against.

We're not satisfied with a S16. We want more.

And if all you play in your non-con schedule is teams you are favored to beat, you'll NEVER improve. You'll be satisfied with being stagnant, satisfied with where you are.

[Rasputin]

Just saw Rasputin's post in your quote.

All those teams made the S16, then it was over.

UWM lost it's coach to Tennessee. I think Butler lost theirs too. None of those teams has really done anything since thier run.

The difference between the Gonzaga model and those teams is that Gonzaga has BUILT on it's S16 appearances. It continues to improve. The S16 wasn't some goal that they met, and decided they wouldn't ever do anything greater.

WSU is aiming at the same thing. We made the S16 last year, but in order to get better we HAVE to take risks, we HAVE to continue and find teams we'll be considered the "underdog" against.

We're not satisfied with a S16. We want more.

And if all you play in your non-con schedule is teams you are favored to beat, you'll NEVER improve. You'll be satisfied with being stagnant, satisfied with where you are.


Thanks for proving my point. What makes you any different than where Butler, UWM, or Valpo was after their runs? You act like somehow WSU's run is more significant or should count more.

Nice to know you are ignoring me though, rjl, I would expect nothing less from you. :laughing:

[outpost]

What makes you any different than where Butler, UWM, or Valpo was after their runs?

I'll swing at that one, rasp.

Let's see, we managed to hold onto our coach and our aspirations to sustain our success, leverage it, build on it. We're on the radar, apparently like CU, and we're willing to stick our necks out and take a few more risks than Dana's regime.

How's that lottery jingle go?........oh yeah,

You can't win if you don't play.

That seems applicable here in some far-fetched, yet directly analagous way. Hopefully at least the concept will find its way into the nebulous matter surrounding your mind.

[rjl]

I viewed your post because I knew it was in direct response to what I just said.

NOTHING makes our S16 Run any different than those teams. There is nothing you could have gotten from what I said that would lead you to believe that.

WHAT IS DIFFERENT from those teams is what we are doing after the run. We took the steps to keep our coach. We're taking the steps to increase the difficulty of our schedule proportionate to the ability of our team.

THAT is the difference. Those teams were satisfied with their runs, we are not.

[STLRedbird]

I was not blasting WSU for taking the Syracuse game. ( until I found out there was no t.v.)

+1

My thoughts exactly.

No TV = BCS b1tch

And a mea culpa. ESPN arranged the Cincy/ISU game. There was no special TV deal for the Kansas/ISU 1&done.

[LincolnJay]

http://www.kenpom.com/conf.php?c=MVC

Interesting link to Kenpom's RPI in 2005 and 2006 {the two years that have had the home vs. road adjustment}. Let's review SOS for WSU and CU:

2005
CU 78 WSU 88

2006
CU 55 WSU 58

Hmmmmmmm, looks to me like you don't have to whore yourself to have a solid schedule.

[WuDrWu]

Creighton does not follow the Gonzaga model. Never has. Gets some facts and then come back.


Wow, Commander Obvious......yes, truer words have never been spoken. CU is no Gonzaga.

[Aargh]

...the correct formula is to schedule 1 fer 1's with like teams {A-10, MWC, CUSA, MAC} for the regular season...

What do you do when those teams refuse to play you?
I asked that question 12 hours ago and the board has been very active, but somehow no one has an answer for that question.

Interesting link to Kenpom's RPI in 2005 and 2006 {the two years that have had the home vs. road adjustment}. Let's review SOS for WSU and CU:

2005
CU 78 WSU 88

2006
CU 55 WSU 58

Hmmmmmmm, looks to me like you don't have to whore yourself to have a solid schedule.

I remember 2004-05. That was when WSU followed the Altman plan and lined up every possible home-and-home with mid-majors with recent Tourney appearances. WSU opened the season 9-0, then watched RPI and SoS plummet as all those 22-7 teams when we scheduled them turned out to be 7-22 teams the years we played them. Second-place finish in the Valley got WSU an NIT invitation and lots of "NIT Sponsor" signs in Omaha. That was the year of the great collapse when WSU couldn't finish the season. The cupcake OOC schedule hadn't prepared WSU for Valley play.

2005-06 still had some of those home-and-homes to finish up and we got saddled with two RPI 300+ teams in a tourney. If WSU would have scheduled a home-and-home with Toledo instead of getting blasted by Michigan State, SoS would have been much worse and we may have seen the MVC regular-season champ going to NCAA's with a 12 or 13 seed.

Another 2005-06 note. WSU did have one of those nasty one-and-done buy games against a 22-7 team that went to the Tourney. Northwestern St. visited Wichita and doesn't get a return game.

Thanks, LincolnJay, you reminded me of a few things: Turgeon has tried the Altman plan, been burned by it and has nothing but NIT bids to show for it.

[Jayfan]

WHAT IS DIFFERENT from those teams is what we are doing after the run. We took the steps to keep our coach. We're taking the steps to increase the difficulty of our schedule proportionate to the ability of our team.


It's all fine and dandy but you still have to go out and win.

[WuDrWu]

It's all fine and dandy but you still have to go out and win.


Great arguement. What a knucklehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In your myopic world, it's better to not try and sneak by than to try and fail.


Win or lose, I applaud the effort of WSU. It's far better to try and fail then never to have tried at all.

[rjl]

It's all fine and dandy but you still have to go out and win.

The LSU series is just a great series no matter how you look at it, if you ask me.

They will be very tough this year, but travel to Koch next year (they don't non-con travel often), bringing some premier college basketball competition to Wichita, then another game the following year. Nice 3 year RPI-boosting guarantee.

The Syracuse matchup is more of a calculated risk, I think. WSU has matched up very well vs. Big East teams over the last few years--Providence coach Tim Welsh even called us a Big East style team and said we would have easily finished in the top half of that conference--so the game at the Carrier Dome is very winnable.

Now, both series are still risks.... But like I said, if you never take risks, you'll never go anywhere.

[rjl]

I remember 2004-05. That was when WSU followed the Altman plan and lined up every possible home-and-home with mid-majors with recent Tourney appearances. WSU opened the season 9-0, then watched RPI and SoS plummet as all those 22-7 teams when we scheduled them turned out to be 7-22 teams the years we played them. Second-place finish in the Valley got WSU an NIT invitation and lots of "NIT Sponsor" signs in Omaha. That was the year of the great collapse when WSU couldn't finish the season. The cupcake OOC schedule hadn't prepared WSU for Valley play.


I was just reading this again and wanted to make sure it was noticed.

I think 04-05, when WSU finished 2nd in the Valley but still went to the NIT, was the moment that WSU changed it's scheduling philosophy.

MT and staff want to do everything in their power to position WSU positively in the NCAA selection committee's eyes at the end of the season.

And if the teams we need to play to do that wont come to the Shockers, the Shockers will come to them.

[Jayfan]

In your myopic world, it's better to not try and sneak by than to try and fail.


Congrats for trying, I appreciate the John Wayne attitude.




All those teams made the S16, then it was over.

UWM lost it's coach to Tennessee. I think Butler lost theirs too. None of those teams has really done anything since their run.

What I didn't make clear is that is only the first step. By the end of the season we will know if WSU goes the way of Butler or Gonzaga. You can schedule all the games you want but if you get run out of the Gym in two of them and walk over some cream puffs at home you may end up more like the bulldogs east of the Mississippi then the ones west.

Go out and win long live the second comming:shockers: Just remember the little guys when you get to the top!

Maybe the rest of the Valley can live off your scraps
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[Jayfan]

The LSU series is just a great series no matter how you look at it, if you ask me.

They will be very tough this year, but travel to Koch next year (they don't non-con travel often), bringing some premier college basketball competition to Wichita, then another game the following year. Nice 3 year RPI-boosting guarantee.

The Syracuse matchup is more of a calculated risk, I think. WSU has matched up very well vs. Big East teams over the last few years--Providence coach Tim Welsh even called us a Big East style team and said we would have easily finished in the top half of that conference--so the game at the Carrier Dome is very winnable.

Now, both series are still risks.... But like I said, if you never take risks, you'll never go anywhere.


I disagree with scheduling the Cuse game. If you are going to schedule a one and done like that I think it would have been better scheduled next year when you have LSU at home, but if your going for strike while the Iron is hot then all I can say is I hope you win one if not both!

[DoubleJayAlum]

The LSU series is just a great series no matter how you look at it, if you ask me.

They will be very tough this year, but travel to Koch next year (they don't non-con travel often), bringing some premier college basketball competition to Wichita, then another game the following year. Nice 3 year RPI-boosting guarantee.

The Syracuse matchup is more of a calculated risk, I think. WSU has matched up very well vs. Big East teams over the last few years--Providence coach Tim Welsh even called us a Big East style team and said we would have easily finished in the top half of that conference--so the game at the Carrier Dome is very winnable.

Now, both series are still risks.... But like I said, if you never take risks, you'll never go anywhere.

Let me go on record in saying that I support the LSU scheduling. Although Bossier City is not exactly neutral, it seems better than most of these allegedly "neutral" sites (and it is certainly better than the Bradley-ISU deal). Heck, maybe WSu can get lucky and schedule the Bossier City game early in the year while most of Louisiana is still obesessed with LSU football and hasn't started focusing on basketball, thereby limiting the attendance.

That being said, lets not get carried away with how great LSU is going to be in '06-'07. Granted, they are an SEC school and should help the RPI, but I think most of us will agree that Baby Shaq will be gone by then. Once he is gone LSU will probably be no better (and potentially worse) then high mid-majors like Xavier.

That being said, I stll think the LSU series is a good get. The one and done with Syracuse is a tragedy however, but I won't dwell on it now because I think we've all heard enough. (Please note that although my position is clear on one and dones, I didn't participate in the 19 page thread regarding the issue because I think its a fight that has been argued multiple times).

I'll make one comment about WSU's scheduling difficulties though (and believe me I'm trying to keep this civil) because I do think it is relevant. I think one of the main reasons that WSU has had such difficulty scheduling for 2006-2007 actually relates back to the scheduling the previous year (2005-2006). Instead of scheduling several multi-game series with other mid majors or other schools, WSU seemed only to work on its schedule for 2005-2006 season. The unfortunate result of that is that it left Turgeon and his staff to have to fill an entire schedule again for 2006-2007. Then coming off the first trip to the NCAAs, I think Turgeon and his staff did not realize how much harder it would be to schedule. Some may claim that he should have known better, some will say that he didn't have the experience of scheduling after an NCAA trip, so he may have been blind-sided by how difficult it really was. But I don't want to go down that road here because we'll never get an answer. Hopefully, remaining games with multi-year series will be added as the remaining games to WSU's schedule this year, so that the staff doesn't have to spend the entire offseason next year adding every game but one (LSU).

There, I've made what I consider to be a valid point and remained civil :original: (although my tongue hurts from biting it during the time I typed the post :grin: )

[case8930]

I don't know why everybody's getting so uptight about scheduling. The object is to win games and advance in the tournament. If WSU wants to schedule all one and dones---fine. Hopefully it will pay off come tournament time. If Creighton wants to schedule as they always have---fine. Hopefully it will pay off come tournament time. I don't think anybody can say for sure one way is better than the other.

[outpost]

Fair enough, DoubleJay. Comments received well from this Shocker fan.

My final comment (and opinion) on this subject is that there is no correct scheduling formula.

[SiuCubFan8]

The LSU series is just a great series no matter how you look at it, if you ask me.

They will be very tough this year, but travel to Koch next year (they don't non-con travel often), bringing some premier college basketball competition to Wichita, then another game the following year. Nice 3 year RPI-boosting guarantee.

The Syracuse matchup is more of a calculated risk, I think. WSU has matched up very well vs. Big East teams over the last few years--Providence coach Tim Welsh even called us a Big East style team and said we would have easily finished in the top half of that conference--so the game at the Carrier Dome is very winnable.

Now, both series are still risks.... But like I said, if you never take risks, you'll never go anywhere.

Agree the LSU series is good for WSU and the VAlley. But the one and done with 'Cuse I don't like, but I am not Turg so it doesn't matter what I think is good or not!

[brokeback shocker]

Double Jay:

The Syracuse game is a tragedy? C'mon now and let's quit using these apocolyptic terms.

Some may disagree wtih it, but it is hardly whoring or a tragedy. You lose a little credbility, as much as that can happen on a frickin' anonymous message board, which extreme terms are used.

Syracuse isn't Miss State or Tex Am or Oregon etc. Syracuse is on the 2nd rung of the elite programs in college basketball.

[WuDrWu]

Double Jay:

The Syracuse game is a tragedy? C'mon now and let's quit using these apocolyptic terms.

Some may disagree wtih it, but it is hardly whoring or a tragedy. You lose a little credbility, as much as that can happen on a frickin' anonymous message board, which extreme terms are used.

Syracuse isn't Miss State or Tex Am or Oregon etc. Syracuse is on the 2nd rung of the elite programs in college basketball.

If I may BBS, Syracuse led the nation in total attendance last year (and many years previous) and was 2nd in average attendance. They won the National Championship in 2003 and were 2nd in 87 and 96. They've won fewer than 20 games 2 times (1997 19 wins, 1982 16 wins) in the last 29 seasons. They have 48 NCAA tournament wins. The current coach is 726-253 including 254-15 at home in non-conference games. They are as elite a program as there is in college basketball. If they are on the second rung, then there are only 1 or 2 teams on each rung.

Let me say that again.... 254-15 against non-conference foes at home. I love how so many Valley bretheren say WSU has to win to save face.

254-15.

[Aargh]

Another schools taking "buy" games at SU this year is Baylor.

Oklahoma State got a "neutral site" game against SU in New York City. Yeah, that's gonna be "neutral" and OSU doesn't get the raod game RPI adjustment for the game.

East Coast press is calling WSU the "crown jewel" and "marquee game" of SU's OOC schedule.

[SiuCubFan8]

Another schools taking "buy" games at SU this year is Baylor.

Oklahoma State got a "neutral site" game against SU in New York City. Yeah, that's gonna be "neutral" and OSU doesn't get the raod game RPI adjustment for the game.

East Coast press is calling WSU the "crown jewel" and "marquee game" of SU's OOC schedule.


The "Crown Jewel"? :lol:

[DoubleJayAlum]

Another schools taking "buy" games at SU this year is Baylor.

Oklahoma State got a "neutral site" game against SU in New York City. Yeah, that's gonna be "neutral" and OSU doesn't get the raod game RPI adjustment for the game.

East Coast press is calling WSU the "crown jewel" and "marquee game" of SU's OOC schedule.

I've really tried to stay out of this mess in the hope that the thread would just die. Since it won't seem to do do though, I have a few questions/comments:

1. Is the SU-OSU game on TV?

2. Is the match-up w/ OSU part of some sort of tourney or Big XII-Big East Challenge?

3. Is the SU-OSU match-up simply a one time affair or is this part of some sort of series?

4. NYC, truth be told, is St Johns country, not Syracuse country (although there probably are some Syracuse fans there just like there are LSU fans in Bossier City)

5. I would sincerely hope that WSU is considered a better opponent than Baylor (seriously, c'mon). This year, I also believe that WSU is better than OSU. This then begs the question: Assuming WSU is better than OSU, why did OSU at least get to play SU in NYC, while WSU accepted a less appealing deal by agreeing to play them on SU's home floor without TV coverage?

Maybe "crown jewel" is east coast speak for biggest sucker :naughty:

[DUShock]

I don't know why everybody's getting so uptight about scheduling. The object is to win games and advance in the tournament. If WSU wants to schedule all one and dones---fine. Hopefully it will pay off come tournament time. If Creighton wants to schedule as they always have---fine. Hopefully it will pay off come tournament time. I don't think anybody can say for sure one way is better than the other.

Very well stated. I'm sooo tired of all this B.S. See you folks in October...

:ranting:

Go Valley!!

Go Shocks!!!!

[Shox21]

I've really tried to stay out of this mess in the hope that the thread would just die. Since it won't seem to do do though, I have a few questions/comments:

1. Is the SU-OSU game on TV?

2. Is the match-up w/ OSU part of some sort of tourney or Big XII-Big East Challenge?

3. Is the SU-OSU match-up simply a one time affair or is this part of some sort of series?

4. NYC, truth be told, is St Johns country, not Syracuse country (although there probably are some Syracuse fans there just like there are LSU fans in Bossier City)

5. I would sincerely hope that WSU is considered a better opponent than Baylor (seriously, c'mon). This year, I also believe that WSU is better than OSU. This then begs the question: Assuming WSU is better than OSU, why did OSU at least get to play SU in NYC, while WSU accepted a less appealing deal by agreeing to play them on SU's home floor without TV coverage?

Maybe "crown jewel" is east coast speak for biggest sucker :naughty:

I don't know the answers to your questions, nor do I care. (AND THIS IS NOT DIRECTED JUST TO YOU BUT TO ALL NAYSAYERS ON THIS SUBJECT) Until you walk a mile in MT's shoes, you have absolutely no right to second guess whatever decision he makes as head coach of WSU. You don't have any clue what MT tried to do and why. This is a done deal, so stop criticizing it.

[SiuCubFan8]

I don't know the answers to your questions, nor do I care. (AND THIS IS NOT DIRECTED JUST TO YOU BUT TO ALL NAYSAYERS ON THIS SUBJECT) Until you walk a mile in MT's shoes, you have absolutely no right to second guess whatever decision he makes as head coach of WSU. You don't have any clue what MT tried to do and why. This is a done deal, so stop criticizing it.

So nobody on this board should ever critisize any valley coach, right?

[Shox21]

So nobody on this board should ever critisize any valley coach, right?

Not what I said. I think this thing has been hashed, and rehased. There is another thread on this board that is 19 pages long of nothing but comments (mostly gripes and criticisms). Nothing anyone can say will change the fact that there is going to be a one time game between WSU and Syracuse at Syracuse this year. No one knows where this will lead or if it will lead anywhere. I simply think it's time to move on to another subject.

[Tasmanian Devil]

So nobody on this board should ever critisize any valley coach, right?


No no, every coach is fair game except for Turg! :naughty:

[Shox21]

No no, every coach is fair game except for Turg! :naughty:


Be my guest -- I just don't have to view it any more. I'm sick of it and I think most of the Valley is sick of it. You are always complaining that everything is about WSU -- and then you go and keep a thread like this going, and going, and going. I feel like the Energizer Bunny. You want to ***** about MT, go ahead -- see what it gets you. But PLEASE find a different topic.

[Tasmanian Devil]

LOL, it's called sarcasm.

[rjl]

I'm convinced that Shox21 is an ethics robot with the humor software uninstalled.

Just kidding, Shox. I don't really think that you are a robot.

[Shox21]

I'm convinced that Shox21 is an ethics robot with the humor software uninstalled.

Just kidding, Shox. I don't really think that you are a robot.


You're right. No robot here. And I do have a sense of humor (no sarcasm here) -- just not the kind of humor that most of the posters on VT seem to have (and I'm beginning to think that is a blessing). I don't post just for the sake of seeing my words in print. If I have something to say, I say it. If all I have is a gripe and nothing constructive -- I usually keep quiet. That is, until a thread gets to the point of ad nauseam.

If you want to read the same quips over and over, then you are entitled. I don't have to and therefore will excuse myself from this thread. Hopefully, someone will post something new and above all, interesting.

[rjl]

You're right. No robot here. And I do have a sense of humor (no sarcasm here) -- just not the kind of humor that most of the posters on VT seem to have (and I'm beginning to think that is a blessing). I don't post just for the sake of seeing my words in print. If I have something to say, I say it. If all I have is a gripe and nothing constructive -- I usually keep quiet. That is, until a thread gets to the point of ad nauseam.

If you want to read the same quips over and over, then you are entitled. I don't have to and therefore will excuse myself from this thread. Hopefully, someone will post something new and above all, interesting.

It's the offseason.

There's new information about our respective colleges maybe twice a week, at the very most.

If something was only posted when new information was available, there'd barely be anything posted at all.

[Shox21]

It's the offseason.

There's new information about our respective colleges maybe twice a week, at the very most.

If something was only posted when new information was available, there'd barely be anything posted at all.


In light of the types of heated back and forth posts on here -- the season better start soon or mayhem will ensue.