Has Shocker Hoops Peaked? [Archive]

Jayfan

08-15-2006, 12:27 AM

iSASO

08-15-2006, 07:07 AM

Honest question? Hardly.
Some questions and logic-check:

Jayfan said:
"Has Mark settled for WSU being merely the best in the Valley every 13 years?

How can Turgeon 'settle' for something every 13 years when he's only been there 6 years? Your statement really makes no sense.

Jayfan said:
"Or does he aspire to achieving even more?"

Note sarcasm meter overload: No, I think Turgeon will just cruise the remaining 10 years of his new contract. He's locked in now with the big money and will surely be content to stop recruiting and finish last every year. He is such an un-motivated, non-competitive guy. Look at all the failure he has experienced in his career - Final Fours as a player and coach, Big 8 accolades galore after being a walkon. Truly a slacker, wouldn't you agree?

Jayfan said:
"Wichita State’s average home attendance of 10,435 was 37th in NCAA Division I during the 2005-06 men’s basketball season with little room to grow."

Nice spin job. There is room to grow the fanbase nationally and the next step is to do that. There is more revenue to be gleaned from home games, certainly, but the real power gain will be had through the Shocker Channel and nationally televised games before and during the NCAA Tournament.

Jayfan said:
"Will WSU try to play quality one and one's instead of whoring itself out each year to the BCS?"

Yes, they will. It's already being done. Returning a loaded team off a Sweet 16 is no time to sit cowering at home in a corner. Don't hide your light under a bushel basket, let your little light shine!

Jayfan said:
"Or will it settle for remaining at its current level, being occasionally the best in the Valley?"

At its current level, WSU is the best in the Valley - defending champ and Sweet 16. How can "settling" for being the best be a bad thing?? You contradicted yourself.

I understand your effort. I give it a C-. You can do better. Next time, think out the logic before you copy-cat someone else. Better yet, try being original.

outpost

08-15-2006, 07:40 AM

I tried to provoke stimulating and civil discourse on the subject of CU hoops, I tried to give CU fans something to talk about (and take a break from slamming WSU's scheduling practices). The Jays have an outstanding record over the past years of getting to the dance. They advanced to the 2nd round in one of those years. Given many of the responses to the CU/Peaked thread, I think I was successful in my purpose.

I know that this doesn't apply to all Creighton fans. But now, I've got an imitator. The sarcasm and attempt at being cute wasn't lost on me here. But thanks for asking the question anyway, Jayfan.

I'll just respond to the basic question. No, I don't believe Shocker Hoops has peaked. As the 1990's dragged on, I will honestly admit that I felt like it had. Obviously, there weren't any signs of commitment by the previous President, AD's, and basketball coaches during this period to convince me otherwise.

When Don Beggs was hired, followed by Jim Schaus and Mark Turgeon, I began to feel hopeful that better days were ahead. Coach Turgeon's record speaks for itself as far as year-over-year improvement goes. Maybe WSU hoops will plateau in terms of wins this year, 26 will be tough to top. I don't think that quantity of wins is important as quality of wins. So I applaud the Shocker staff's efforts to upgrade the schedule. I also applaud everyone who did what it took to keep Coach Turgeon.

We'll see what this year brings. My biggest concern is replacing Paul Miller, I think we're solid at every other position.

Finally, with the growth experienced in his profession, and the quality of student-athletes being recruited by his coaching staff, I am optimistic that the Shockers can make a return to the level achieved last year.

Jamar Howard 4 President

08-15-2006, 07:48 AM

The time that some posters spend on here posting absolute drivel is amazing, and I'm not talking about Jayfan only. There are plenty of "I'm at war with all other posters" nerds on both sides of the isle. I'm just amazed that people can actually entertain themselves by typing the same slams over and over again. These "arguments" are so worn out that there is truly nothing funny left.

Is this what many of you look like while posting during the summer? :Jumpy:

MikeKennedyRulz

08-15-2006, 07:56 AM

Honest question. They have been to the NCAA's once since 1988 and reached the Sweet 16. The 05-06 WSU team won the second-most games of any Shocker team in history, and won two NCAA games for the first time since 1981.

Has Mark settled for WSU being merely the best in the Valley every 13 years? Or does he aspire to achieving even more?

Wichita State’s average home attendance of 10,435 was 37th in NCAA Division I during the 2005-06 men’s basketball season with little room to grow.

Will WSU try to play quality one and one's instead of whoring itself out each year to the BCS? Will WSU change its scheduling tactics, convinced that it is the best way to improve? Or will it settle for remaining at its current level, being occasionally the best in the Valley?

Thanks for keeping the replies civil.

I think the one-year wonder that was Shocker hoops is over and the slide into the abyss is upon us. Attendance is down, recruiting is at an all-time low, the only teams that the Shox can play are bottom dwellers in NCAA hoops, WSU cannot attract quality assistant coaches to replace those that leave, and former players want nothing to do with the program.

I am not sure what it is going to take to regain the momentum and right the sinking ship. Maybe it is an assistant coach from a BCS program, a couple of big time opponents, a top rated European player or a completely sold-out arena for a season. Personally, I think if the Shox can make it to the NCAA's and by some grace of god reach the Sweet 16, things will turn around.

Thanks for your honest inquiry into Shocker hoops and for seeking out honest basketball discussion. It is truly a breath of fresh air on this board. Kudos to you my friend.

:valley:

martymoose

08-15-2006, 08:11 AM

Honest question. They have been to the NCAA's once since 1988 and reached the Sweet 16. The 05-06 WSU team won the second-most games of any Shocker team in history, and won two NCAA games for the first time since 1981.

Has Mark settled for WSU being merely the best in the Valley every 13 years? Or does he aspire to achieving even more?

Wichita State’s average home attendance of 10,435 was 37th in NCAA Division I during the 2005-06 men’s basketball season with little room to grow.

Will WSU try to play quality one and one's instead of whoring itself out each year to the BCS? Will WSU change its scheduling tactics, convinced that it is the best way to improve? Or will it settle for remaining at its current level, being occasionally the best in the Valley?

Thanks for keeping the replies civil.

I don't openly agree with ISASO all that often, but you definitely didn't think this through before you posed.....most of it doesn't make any since when looking at the current state of Shocker athletics. :doh:

You tried to copy cat ISASO, but Creighton hoops are in a definite decline, there has not been anything to prove Shocker athletics are moving backward or staying the same...remember, we've improved every year for the last 6 years.

:shockers:

outpost

08-15-2006, 08:18 AM

Did the author use the word whore in the initial post? I hadn't noticed that the first time I read it.

What a civil-sounding word. :no:

CUJay

08-15-2006, 08:37 AM

I don't understand why it was an "honest question" when posed about Creighton basketball, but was "absolute drivel" when posed about Shocker hoops. Don't rock the boat if you don't want to get wet.

iSASO

08-15-2006, 11:43 AM

6 years of continued improvement vs. Creighton's recent plateau. It's a more relevant question about Creighton than WSU.

Let's truly copy-cat outpost's first sentence about Creighton peaking:
"They have been to the NCAA's several years, but had to settle for the NIT last year."

Now let's substitute WSU and see how it works out:
"They won the conference championship and went to the NCAA Tournament last year, but had to settle for the Sweet 16."

Really doesn't apply, does it?

cuhoops

08-15-2006, 01:03 PM

I don't openly agree with ISASO all that often, but you definitely didn't think this through before you posed.....most of it doesn't make any since when looking at the current state of Shocker athletics. :doh:

You tried to copy cat ISASO, but Creighton hoops are in a definite decline, there has not been anything to prove Shocker athletics are moving backward or staying the same...remember, we've improved every year for the last 6 years.

:shockers:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

"but Creighton hoops are in a definite decline"

And you, sir, definitely didn't think this through before you posted, we return two POY candidates, the best recruiting class in the Valley(not my words), the best arena in the Valley, and arguably the best coach in the Valley.

What decline?

c'mon marty... I thought you were smarter...:jays: :jays:

Jamar Howard 4 President

08-15-2006, 01:47 PM

I don't understand why it was an "honest question" when posed about Creighton basketball, but was "absolute drivel" when posed about Shocker hoops. Don't rock the boat if you don't want to get wet.

:no:

There are plenty of "I'm at war with all other posters" nerds on both sides of the isle

I also specifically said that I was refering to posters other than just Jayfan. I never singled out Creighton fans. My comment was on the way many posters are posting the same boring insults and sarcasm over and over again. I simply don't understand why people would spend so much of their time in absolutely rediculous message board arguments during the offseason of a sport. It makes Valleytalk look like it is full of 13 year old girls.

DUShock

08-15-2006, 01:53 PM

I certainly hope not!

Go Valley!!

Go Shocks!!!!

C0|db|00ded

08-15-2006, 02:18 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

"but Creighton hoops are in a definite decline"

And you, sir, definitely didn't think this through before you posted, we return two POY candidates, the best recruiting class in the Valley(not my words), the best arena in the Valley, and arguably the best coach in the Valley.

What decline?

c'mon marty... I thought you were smarter...:jays: :jays:

By looking at a five-year trend-line of CU's on-court performance your program is clearly in decline. If not for the miracle in St. Louis things could be looking quite grim for our friends in Omahattan. Can you imagine if the Qwiet Municipal Center wasn't the "toast of your little town" and Creighton didn't just happen to be playing there? Your bolstered attendance numbers have moved inversely with your on court success clealry proving that the citizens of Omahattan are coming out to support an "exciting" municipal event instead of a surging basketball team. In a nice mid-sized town where little options are available for entertainment, it is clear to me that mediocre Bluejay basketball is a more popular choice than sitting at home and watching television. Remember, an arena is a very new thing for the local "sophistos" in the "big apple" of Nebraska.

Nebraskan's (Creightonians) are soooo proud and try soooo hard.. you just want to throw your arms around them!! :hug:

T

...:cool:

cuhoops

08-15-2006, 02:21 PM

By looking at a five-year trend-line of CU's on-court performance your program is clearly in decline. If not for the miracle in St. Louis things could be looking quite grim for our friends in Omahattan. Can you imagine if the Qwiet Municipal Center wasn't the "toast of your little town" and Creighton didn't just happen to be playing there? Your bolstered attendance numbers have moved inversely with your on court success clealry proving that the citizens of Omahattan are coming out to support an "exciting" municipal event instead of a surging basketball team. In a nice mid-sized town where little options are available for entertainment, it is clear to me that mediocre Bluejay basketball is a more popular choice than sitting at home and watching television. Remember, an arena is a very new thing for the local "sophistos" in the "big apple" of Nebraska.

Nebraskan's (Creightonians) are soooo proud and try soooo hard.. you just want to throw your arms around them!! :hug:

T

...:cool:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

You're really running out of insults aren't you?

:no:

:jays: :jays:

martymoose

08-15-2006, 02:26 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What decline?

c'mon marty... I thought you were smarter...:jays: :jays:

Well, do I need to spell it out to you????? If I'm off on a stat, correct me...won't make much difference, will still show a decline for CU and increase for WSU.

2004:
CU #4 Seed MVC Tourney - NCAA (0 wins)
WSU #3 Seed MVC Tourney - NIT (0 wins)

2005:
CU #3 Seed MVC Tourney - NCAA (0 wins)
WSU #2 Seed MVC Tourney - NIT (2 wins)

2006:
CU #4 Seed MVC Tourney - NIT (2 wins)
WSU #1 Seed MVC Tourney - NCAA (2 wins)

c'mon cuhoops... I thought you were smarter...actualy, no, I guess I really didn't....:lol:

:shockers:

C0|db|00ded

08-15-2006, 02:26 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You're really running out of insults aren't you?

:no:

:jays: :jays:

With such a cornucopia of marginally competent posters hailing from Nebraska, I couldn't run out of insults in three lifetimes. If you sense anything in my post is refutable feel free to take a spin...

T

...:cool:

DoubleJayAlum

08-15-2006, 02:31 PM

Well, do I need to spell it out to you????? If I'm off on a stat, correct me...won't make much difference, will still show a decline for CU and increase for WSU.

2004:
CU #4 Seed MVC Tourney - NCAA (0 wins)
WSU #3 Seed MVC Tourney - NIT (0 wins)

2005:
CU #3 Seed MVC Tourney - NCAA (0 wins)
WSU #2 Seed MVC Tourney - NIT (2 wins)

2006:
CU #4 Seed MVC Tourney - NIT (2 wins)
WSU #1 Seed MVC Tourney - NCAA (2 wins)

c'mon cuhoops... I thought you were smarter...actualy, no, I guess I really didn't....:lol:

:shockers:

You don't seriously want to start comparing records in the MVC tourney do you? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Seeds in the MVC tourney are one thing, but I think results matter a little more :grin:

Shox21

08-15-2006, 02:37 PM

I certainly hope not!

Go Valley!!

Go Shocks!!!!

Now I KNOW your keyboard is stuck.

rjl

08-15-2006, 02:45 PM

You don't seriously want to start comparing records in the MVC tourney do you? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Seeds in the MVC tourney are one thing, but I think results matter a little more :grin:

I'd prefer the results that get you the MVC tourney seeding, developed over the course of the entire season, over the performance of one weekend as a barometer of my team's performance.

I know what you are saying and all, and the MVC Tournament is a definite area for improvement for WSU, but the seeding numbers given by Marty are just indicators of how each team did in the Valley season.

martymoose

08-15-2006, 02:46 PM

You don't seriously want to start comparing records in the MVC tourney do you? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Seeds in the MVC tourney are one thing, but I think results matter a little more :grin:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: BJ fans love this smiley, I can see why.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do people outside of the MVC give a $h1t how anyone does in the Valley tournement....probably not. You need to do something throughout the entire season and in the NCAA's and quite frankly, CU is falling off the map... Sorry, Turgeon is bringing WSU hoops back where they belong in the national spot light and if it means CU drops off, that's ok with me.

:shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers:

martymoose

08-15-2006, 02:46 PM

I'd prefer the results that get you the MVC tourney seeding, developed over the course of the entire season, over the performance of one weekend as a barometer of my team's performance.

I know what you are saying and all, and the MVC Tournament is a definite area for improvement for WSU, but the seeding numbers given by Marty are just indicators of how each team did in the Valley season.

Please don't use logic...you're confuse the BJ's

DrJay

08-15-2006, 03:00 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: BJ fans love this smiley, I can see why.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do people outside of the MVC give a $h1t how anyone does in the Valley tournement....probably not. You need to do something throughout the entire season and in the NCAA's and quite frankly, CU is falling off the map... Sorry, Turgeon is bringing WSU hoops back where they belong in the national spot light and if it means CU drops off, that's ok with me.

:shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers:
I don't think CU is worried about falling off the map. If you want to talk about peaking, WSU achieving less than a MVC regular regular season championship and a sweet 16 appearance would be a decline compared to last year. :chair:

martymoose

08-15-2006, 03:49 PM

I don't think CU is worried about falling off the map. If you want to talk about peaking, WSU achieving less than a MVC regular regular season championship and a sweet 16 appearance would be a decline compared to last year. :chair:

Thank you! Finally someone who understands!

Question for you.... How many NCAA tournament games has CU won since the Sweet 16 run? It's zero, right? Maybe there was 1 in there I missed, who knows. What's Dana's NCAA tournament record with CU? 2-10? :lol:

rjl

08-15-2006, 04:19 PM

Thank you! Finally someone who understands!

Question for you.... How many NCAA tournament games has CU won since the Sweet 16 run? It's zero, right? Maybe there was 1 in there I missed, who knows. What's Dana's NCAA tournament record with CU? 2-10? :lol:

cough, cough

Waiting for a Creightonian to correct the mistake there....

WSUfan

08-15-2006, 04:37 PM

This CU-WSU fighting is getting really BORING !! How about if we devote the rest of this week to bashing the Big 10 and Big 12 instead of each other?

Bird

08-15-2006, 04:46 PM

C0|db|00ded

08-15-2006, 04:57 PM

I'll correct the mistake - CU has never made a Sweet 16 under Altman. No argument from any CU fan that CU hasn't had a lot of post-season success. But, we have sustained enough success to make the post-season for 9 years now and have proven ourselves to be a great program and not a great 1 year wonder. To put that in context, Gal Mekel was in about 3rd grade the last time CU didn't make the post-season.

No argument from any CU fan that CU hasn't had a lot of post-season success. But, we have sustained enough success to make the post-season for 9 years now and have proven ourselves to be a great program and not a great 1 year wonder.

great program :confused1:

I didn't know a synonym for "great program" is "the king of one-and-dones". I would feel more comfortable with "good" program and I think most of the college basketball world would agree. One might be persuaded that CU has had great consistency in getting to the tournament. One could also say that CU has been a great disappointment considering its numerous recent appearances.

great ( P ) Pronunciation Key (grt)
adj. great·er, great·est:

-Remarkable or outstanding in magnitude, degree, or extent.

-Of outstanding significance or importance: a great work of art.

-Superior in quality or character; noble: “For he was great, ere fortune made him so” (John Dryden).

-Powerful; influential: one of the great nations of the West.

-Wichita State had a great tournament run in 2005-2006.

T

...:cool:

DawgieStyle

08-15-2006, 04:58 PM

Gal Mekel was in about 3rd grade the last time CU didn't make the post-season.

point

Mc Bulldog

08-15-2006, 05:18 PM

Has Shocker Hoops Peaked? .. I'm not sure .. but I am sure that most Shocker fans get their turtle muddy and I suppose in order to do that they must peek, right? :Jumpy:

To the rest of the MVC .. don't get your turtle muddy!

MSNSaluki

08-15-2006, 05:22 PM

These Omaha/Wichita pissing matches have officially become ridiculous.
C'mon guys ... Give the rest of us a break!:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

GarH

08-15-2006, 07:44 PM

WSUfan hit the nail on the head. The banter is getting REALLY boring. CU fans have every right to be proud of their team. They have done the Valley proud for many years. Shocker fans (including myself) have every right to be proud of the Shockers since MT became our coach. The insults by both sides have gotten ridiculous.

LincolnJay

01-26-2007, 09:43 PM

The abyss? :innocent:

Ricky Del Rio

01-26-2007, 11:09 PM

The abyss? :innocent:

Don't start. You are not qualified.

I remember 2-3 years ago and the Blue Bird cup of arrogance did runneth over and over and over.

Then, the Doggies decided their cup of arrogance was bigger and badder than the Blue Bird cup of arrogance and so it was and it was visited like a mighty storm on this very board.

Then the Doggies stubbed their nails and some Doggies went away and the Doggie arrogance, thankfully, slowly diminished to a reasonably acceptable state.

And quick as a wink, the Blue Bird program arose from the very grave yard it has assigned to the Shockers year after year - the NIT tournament.

Armed with a touch of meager success, the Blue Birds are starting to medicate themselves again with their self-intoxicating brand of arrogance.

Blue Birds, leave the cups of arrogance to the Experts of Arrogance, the Doggies.

Please!

MSNSaluki

01-27-2007, 12:45 AM

Don't start. You are not qualified.

I remember 2-3 years ago and the Blue Bird cup of arrogance did runneth over and over and over.

Then, the Doggies decided their cup of arrogance was bigger and badder than the Blue Bird cup of arrogance and so it was and it was visited like a mighty storm on this very board.

Then the Doggies stubbed their nails and some Doggies went away and the Doggie arrogance, thankfully, slowly diminished to a reasonably acceptable state.

And quick as a wink, the Blue Bird program arose from the very grave yard it has assigned to the Shockers year after year - the NIT tournament.

Armed with a touch of meager success, the Blue Birds are starting to medicate themselves again with their self-intoxicating brand of arrogance.

Blue Birds, leave the cups of arrogance to the Experts of Arrogance, the Doggies.

Please!

I wasn't part of the SIU contingent here in the early stages of VT, but I'm trying to figure out when the Doggies stubbed their nails.:innocent:

Jayfan

01-27-2007, 02:26 AM

The abyss? :innocent:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

mproviz

01-27-2007, 02:53 AM

Will WSU try to play quality one and one's instead of whoring itself out each year to the BCS?

Thanks for keeping the replies civil.

It's hard to keep replies civil when you spew garbage like this. Do you have any idea what impact WSU "whoring itself out" made on the valley earlier this season as far as national attention is concerned? I'll let you ponder that one for a while. Sure, we've gone to pot lately, but that has absolutely no effect on us "whoring ourselves out" earlier in the season. I actually enjoyed being ranked 8th in the nation earlier this year; I'd like to see you pull that off playing your quality 1-1's with other mid-major teams no one cares about. Call me crazy, but i'm actually quite happy (yes, that's right!) about the way Mark's non-con scheduling went this year! In fact, I'd go so far as to say I'd like to see it done next year too! Now, if we could just get this conference play thing figured out... :doh:

XSaluki

01-27-2007, 07:13 AM

I think the scheduling didn't hurt any thing. The #8 ranking was good publicity. It went from being the best publicity to the worst publicity in 2 short weeks with the 'historic' drop.

For WSU's (and the Valley's sake) I hope they turn it around because now the coaches and reporters will think twice before giving a ranking to a Valley team (again).

As far as scheduling, I think the Shockers won't have as much trouble next year.

kyyle23

01-27-2007, 07:48 AM

:confused1:

I didn't know a synonym for "great program" is "the king of one-and-dones". I would feel more comfortable with "good" program and I think most of the college basketball world would agree. One might be persuaded that CU has had great consistency in getting to the tournament. One could also say that CU has been a great disappointment considering its numerous recent appearances.

great ( P ) Pronunciation Key (grt)
adj. great·er, great·est:

-Remarkable or outstanding in magnitude, degree, or extent.

-Of outstanding significance or importance: a great work of art.

-Superior in quality or character; noble: “For he was great, ere fortune made him so” (John Dryden).

-Powerful; influential: one of the great nations of the West.

-Wichita State had a great tournament run in 2005-2006.

T

...:cool:

If Wichita State stays their course and doesnt make the tournament, wouldnt that make them the "king of one and done"?

Wichita State had a(singular) great tournament run. SIU and Creighton have had extended runs in both tournaments, NIT and NCAA. There is something to be said for consistency in a programs ability to maintain tournament status, year in year out.

Dawgbit

01-27-2007, 07:58 AM

Turgeon is a great coach.

dogdays

01-27-2007, 09:03 AM

blueness

01-27-2007, 10:18 AM

Conspiracy Theory:

The Shocks scored a deal with either the Big 12 or the Big 10 to join their conference strictly for basketball purposes. They do not care about the Valley, so they toyed with all of us by jumping up into the Top10 and then going into a tank job. Turgeon is such a great coach that he can make it look like it was a just a couple of "bad games" when really it was all scripted.

The national writers/broadcasters (especially the likes of Digger Phelps and Billy Packer) understand this, and have given special exemption to the Shocks.

What we do not know is that come selection Sunday, the Shocks will roll in with about 18-19 wins, a loss in the semifinals of the MVC, but will receive a 5 seed in the St. Louis regional. As they win the region, Mark Turgeon proudly exclaims his team has seceded from the Valley.:banana:

This discourse between the Shocks and Jays is fun during the OFF SEASON. GIVE IT A REST:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

:jays: :jays: :jays:
:valley: :valley: :valley:

Ace Dad

01-27-2007, 10:50 AM

We are comparing apples, oranges, and grapes. No way to compare teams from one year to the next because of too many variables. No way to control the variables statistically, I think. Coach Turgeon is trying to build a national contender. Each game he and the Shockers walk on the court to beat the opposing team. It is silly to suggest that he is content with where he is.

creightonfever

01-27-2007, 11:44 AM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Learn from this shux.. dont go running your mouths off

Divergence

01-27-2007, 01:53 PM

Conspiracy Theory:

They do not care about the Valley, so they toyed with all of us by jumping up into the Top10 and then going into a tank job.

I guess you could applied about Creighton - right. They get the pre-season Top 25 rating. Altman decides that this is not good and they decide to tank their non-conference so they can hold the MVC down and hopefully they can slip out of everybody consciousness so there won't be any expectations for the rest of the season. No matter what happens, it's a win-win for Altman.

a) CU continues to finish 3rd in the valley and goes to the NIT again. We'll CU just didn't have the talent and Altman did the best job ever in elevating this team of mediocre players.

b) CU somehow slips by the selection committee and gets a NCAA bid and does their usual 1 and done routine. Therefore this is Altman best job of taking a bunch of mediocre players to get a NCAA bid.

C0|db|00ded

01-27-2007, 02:20 PM

Turgeon is a great coach.

I wholeheartedly agree! The national media even goes so far as to say one of the best in the country!

It's a great day...

T

...:cool:

MSNSaluki

01-27-2007, 06:03 PM

I wholeheartedly agree! The national media even goes so far as to say one of the best in the country!

It's a great day...

T

...:cool:

A great coach should not have to say, "I don't know what to do" in a postgame show when asked why his team is so bad on defense.
Got that from another active threat here at VT.:lol:

C0|db|00ded

01-27-2007, 06:10 PM

A great coach should not have to say, "I don't know what to do" in a postgame show when asked why his team is so bad on defense.
Got that from another active threat here at VT.:lol:

The greatest managers know when to admit they are wrong or don't have the answer. It's the ones who stubbornly walk off a cliff and take everyone with them that you have to worry about. There aren't many coaches I would replace Mark with and that is an honest statement.

T

...:cool:

MSNSaluki

01-27-2007, 06:34 PM

The greatest managers know when to admit they are wrong or don't have the answer. It's the ones who stubbornly walk off a cliff and take everyone with them that you have to worry about.

I can't disagree with that statement one bit.

There aren't many coaches I would replace Mark with and that is an honest statement.

T

...:cool:

I think you have a good one in Turgeon. I hope you can keep him for a while. Just figured I'd bust your balls a little bit on the "one of the best in the country" statement. He's a good one, IMO, but not quite where you place him yet.:original:

C0|db|00ded

01-27-2007, 07:11 PM

Mark looked pretty good against a couple very fine coaches in John Brady and Jim Boeheim, especially when you consider it was like taking a water bottle to a gun fight in regards to the disproportional height and athleticism between the two teams.

T

...:cool:

LincolnJay

01-27-2007, 07:17 PM

DoubleJayAlum

01-27-2007, 07:34 PM

LSU RPI 72

Syracuse RPI 46

:doh:

How about:

WSU RPI 60 :doh:

WSUbballer

01-27-2007, 07:45 PM

How about:

WSU RPI 60 :doh:

I wouldn't say that's too bad considering the team is 4-6 in Valley play and only 5 games above .500 overall..

C0|db|00ded

01-27-2007, 08:14 PM

LSU RPI 72

Syracuse RPI 46

:doh:

Are you having trouble following along...? :helpsmilie: What does RPI have to do with Final Four and National Championship coaches?

Maybe it's not your fault. A bit tired from chasing ambulances are we? :sleeping: :ermm:

T

...:cool:

LincolnJay

01-27-2007, 09:14 PM

C0|db|00ded
Instrument of Pain

:sleeping:

Jayfan

01-27-2007, 11:01 PM

Surely most of you folks got the point of this post to start with?
All summer we heard different variations of how CU and SIU had peaked and how did we feel about it, that we couldnt get any farther than the sweet 16 was in part because that was our supposed expectation. That WSU was the up and comer , that the national media loved WSU and therefore in one year they had essentially over taken CU and SIU has the leader of the Valley. Why was SIU not able to imporve? The reply was how do you improve on 1st place every year, yet some WSU fans used the premise to downgrade SIU and CU. Now , hosted by their own pitard , they dont like that someone brought it back to them. Karma is a *****. I have been waiting for someone to address the how does it feel to peak issue. Thanks for bringing it up Jay. Its like many SIU and CU posters said at the time. Wait until you have a recent , real track record to talk about before blowing your own horn. WSU will rebound Im sure but hopefully some of their fans will be a little more realistic this time around and not so full of themselves.

The funny thing that I think some don't realize is this was written as a parody to a thread started by a wsu fan back in august. LJ just brought it back from the "Abyss" for humorous purposes. Do I think the Turg doesn't aspire for more? No... I was just tired of all the crazy questions as you mentioned as to whether or not Dana or Lowery are happy with being a "big fish in a little pond". I think all of the MVC coaches aspire for more. Even Royce...:innocent: Thanks LJ I forgot all about this one.

iSASO

01-27-2007, 11:13 PM

All this back-slapping and yet there are only two coaches in the conference who have taken their current teams to the Sweet Sixteen...and neither one is named Altman or Lowery.

jelly_81

01-27-2007, 11:49 PM

All this back-slapping and yet there are only two coaches in the conference who have taken their current teams to the Sweet Sixteen...and neither one is named Altman or Lowery.
And take that sweet sixteen and a quarter this year and what do you have??? A Quarter. So there you go

:salukis: :valley:

iSASO

01-27-2007, 11:55 PM

'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

doinit salukistyle

01-28-2007, 12:31 AM

pssst isayso, jelly is a saluki fan, he's loved and loved and loved and loved, and will keep loving again this year

MSNSaluki

01-28-2007, 01:11 AM

All this back-slapping and yet there are only two coaches in the conference who have taken their current teams to the Sweet Sixteen...and neither one is named Altman or Lowery.

All this back-slapping over Turgeon, yet unless the Shockers win the Valley tournament next month, he'll have ONE NCAA tournament appearance in seven years on the job.

Sorry ... couldn't resist.:innocent:

Hein72

01-28-2007, 01:42 AM

Wow, I am glad to see the CU fans have changed in my absence.

iSASO

01-28-2007, 08:52 AM

pssst isayso, jelly is a saluki fan, he's loved and loved and loved and loved, and will keep loving again this year

Sure seemed like he was speaking for Creighton as well. If not, then SIU alone has been to that many Sweet 16's to have loved and loved and loved and loved and will love again this year?

I count 4 plus a prediction for this year. Is that accurate?

Jayfan

01-28-2007, 07:28 PM

Sure seemed like he was speaking for Creighton as well. If not, then SIU alone has been to that many Sweet 16's to have loved and loved and loved and loved and will love again this year?

I count 4 plus a prediction for this year. Is that accurate?

I would rather have a shot at the sweet sixteen consistantly then be at the outside looking in consistantly. Well I guess 100% of the time Turgeon has made it to the dance he has made it to the sweet sixteen as a head coach. Your right good measure for a program. Even I can get lucky and make one free throw in a row.