Kaleb Korver

[Putz Jay]

Just read an interview with Kaleb Korver, he talks a little bit about a few Valley schools.
http://thebluejaycafe.com/articles/korver.html

[DUBulldog]

Just read an interview with Kaleb Korver, he talks a little bit about a few Valley schools.
http://thebluejaycafe.com/articles/korver.html

Looks like there's a real good chance he'll end up in the MVC.

I would say my favorites are Drake, Creighton, Northern Iowa, and Iowa State.

I saw him play several times this summer. He needs to bulk up, and work on his ball handling and quickness.........but, he can really shoot the rock. I don't think he's quite as tall as either of his brothers, but I think he has better perimeter skills at the same age.

[MSNSaluki]

How many freakin' ball-playing Korver's are there?
I hope Mama and Papa Korver have finished their business!

[DUBulldog]

How many freakin' ball-playing Korver's are there?
I hope Mama and Papa Korver have finished their business!

There's one more after Kaleb....I think the youngest is going into his sophomore season at Pella.

[DoubleJayAlum]

How many freakin' ball-playing Korver's are there?
I hope Mama and Papa Korver have finished their business!

I think that DU and CU fans are very happy about the fertility of the Korvers.

I think that the fight over Kaleb will be huge. I just don't want to lose him to a non-Valley school.

:jays: :bulldogs:

[MoValley John]

Could it be alot of hype? Kyle set the bar pretty high. I'm not saying Klayton and Kaleb aren't great ballplayers, but Klayton, while being injury prone, has yet to live up to the expectations at Drake. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. He needs to be healthy and on the court to judge. Kaleb is shorter, and while he may be a great high school ball player, that does not automatically make you a great college player. The youngest, well he's too young to speculate.

I remember when Eddie was the next coming of Larry. Sycamore fans were poised to be back in the title game. Didn't happen.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

There's one more after Kaleb....I think the youngest is going into his sophomore season at Pella.

What's his name? Korn? Kameron? Kleveland? Kommando? Koncrete?

[DUBulldog]

What's his name? Korn? Kameron? Kleveland? Kommando? Koncrete?

I don't remember......but I know it does begin with 'K' :banana:

[DUBulldog]

Could it be alot of hype? Kyle set the bar pretty high. I'm not saying Klayton and Kaleb aren't great ballplayers, but Klayton, while being injury prone, has yet to live up to the expectations at Drake. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. He needs to be healthy and on the court to judge.

I might disagree with you about whether Klayton has lived up to expectations at Drake. I saw him play in high school, and he has performed better at DU than I expected, based on what I saw of him in high school. Now, if the expectations were that he would be another Kyle, then he hasn't (yet) met expectations, and probably never will. I don't think most Drake fans expected him to be as good as his brother.

I'm not sure that I'd call him injury-prone either, as he's had only one injury that I'm aware of, and that was a freak thing (knee to knee collision with teammate in practice).

[MSNSaluki]

Kold.

[SalukiSpike]

It's probably Kendall.

[MoValley John]

I might disagree with you about whether Klayton has lived up to expectations at Drake. I saw him play in high school, and he has performed better at DU than I expected, based on what I saw of him in high school. Now, if the expectations were that he would be another Kyle, then he hasn't (yet) met expectations, and probably never will. I don't think most Drake fans expected him to be as good as his brother.

I'm not sure that I'd call him injury-prone either, as he's had only one injury that I'm aware of, and that was a freak thing (knee to knee collision with teammate in practice).

Injury prone may be a harsh way to put it, but he has been sidelined. As for the expectations, I remember the recruitment of Klayton by both Creighton and Drake. At the time, the hype was "In many ways, he is better than his brother Kyle."

And while you may say that Klayton wasn't hyped this way out of high school, the return of Klayton has many Drake fans thinking that this will be the year. Those thoughts are prdicated by the original recruiting hype. This could be the year, maybe not. Until we see a healthy Klayton Korver, we can only guess.

[DUBulldog]

Injury prone may be a harsh way to put it, but he has been sidelined. As for the expectations, I remember the recruitment of Klayton by both Creighton and Drake. At the time, the hype was "In many ways, he is better than his brother Kyle."

You might be right about that, I really don't remember. I know that he wasn't listed among the top 10-15 players in Iowa by most of the "experts", and wasn't even the most highly regarded player on his high school team (Hibma was).

You're correct that expectations are always higher when you're following a sibling who was very good. Around the same time that Indiana State signed Eddie Bird, the younger brothers of both Akeem Olajuwon and Dennis Johnson were being pretty heavily recruited....neither ever turned into a decent player, but because of bloodlines, both were more heavily recruited than they would have been without their names.

If you're interested, I can send you a tape of Kaleb Korver in the championship game of Des Moines' summer league and let you judge for yourself. I don't think he's a superstar by any means, but he certainly is a very good shooter with excellent range.

[MoValley John]

If you're interested, I can send you a tape of Kaleb Korver in the championship game of Des Moines' summer league and let you judge for yourself. I don't think he's a superstar by any means, but he certainly is a very good shooter with excellent range.

I've seen tape. I'm not saying he isn't good, I'm just saying there is a difference between playing HS ball and college ball. As for summer leagues, they are fun to watch, but it's mostly street ball type play, with less than inspired defense.

[DUBulldog]

As for summer leagues, they are fun to watch, but it's mostly street ball type play, with less than inspired defense.

Which is why I love watching it! :original:

[SalukiSpike]

Damn it what is the youngest Korver brothers name? My interest is peaked.

$5 that it is Kendall.

[DUBulldog]

Damn it what is the youngest Korver brothers name? My interest is peaked.

$5 that it is Kendall.

I just looked it up.....it's Kirk

[SalukiSpike]

I'm not giving you $5.

[MoValley John]

I just looked it up.....it's Kirk

Kirk?:noexpression: Gee that doesn't have much of a ring to it.:noexpression: Maybe that's why you had to look it up.:noexpression:

[DUBulldog]

I'm not giving you $5.

Damn, it would have really helped me with my kid's college tuition this year. :down:

[MoValley John]

Damn, it would have really helped me with my kid's college tuition this year. :down:

A moderator posting foul language on the site? I'm astonded!

Well the money would have gone to a college fund, so I can see the slip up. As I see it, we have a moderator with a foul mouth and a Saluki fan that has admitted to being a welcher.:innocent:

[DUBulldog]

A moderator posting foul language on the site? I'm astonded!

Not to mention astounded :innocent:

[MoValley John]

Not to mention astounded :innocent:
Amased, suprized, shoked, fourlorn and egzasperated!:lol:

[Myopicraiderfan]

You might be right about that, I really don't remember. I know that he wasn't listed among the top 10-15 players in Iowa by most of the "experts", and wasn't even the most highly regarded player on his high school team (Hibma was).

You're correct that expectations are always higher when you're following a sibling who was very good. Around the same time that Indiana State signed Eddie Bird, the younger brothers of both Akeem Olajuwon and Dennis Johnson were being pretty heavily recruited....neither ever turned into a decent player, but because of bloodlines, both were more heavily recruited than they would have been without their names.

If you're interested, I can send you a tape of Kaleb Korver in the championship game of Des Moines' summer league and let you judge for yourself. I don't think he's a superstar by any means, but he certainly is a very good shooter with excellent range.


Don't forget WSU's own Henry Carr! Antoine who? I think everyone remembers Henry extending his arm before every free throw attempt.

[DUBulldog]

Don't forget WSU's own Henry Carr! Antoine who? I think everyone remembers Henry extending his arm before every free throw attempt.

LOL....I remember getting many a laugh while watching him prepare to shoot free throws.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Damn, it would have really helped me with my kid's college tuition this year. :down:

I am taking a single course this fall at WSU.

You will be glad to know I paid less for tuition in the aggregate for four years at Texas A&M (154 hours) than I am paying for this single course at WSU.

(Yes, I am that old.)

Just thought you were dying to know how times have changed.

By the way, I feel for you and your pocketbook. I trust the second mortgage loan on your home went through OK.

[DUBulldog]

I am taking a single course this fall at WSU.

You will be glad to know I paid less for tuition in the aggregate for four years at Texas A&M (154 hours) than I am paying for this single course at WSU.

(Yes, I am that old.)

Just thought you were dying to know how times have changed.

By the way, I feel for you and your pocketbook. I trust the second mortgage loan on your home went through OK.

Wow, you are old! :innocent: It will only get better for me next year when I have two in college! :cursing: Too bad my kids don't share the Korvers' basketball abilities!

[blueblood]

My daughter moves into Keiwit hall at Creighton on Friday. Beat that.

[DUBulldog]

My daughter moves into Keiwit hall at Creighton on Friday. Beat that.

Can't beat that....at least my son is at a state school.....I love Drake, but didn't even consider sending my kids there unless they could earn scholarships.....my daughter insists she's going out of state for college, so that will be $$$$ :banghead:

[blueblood]

I guess she is smarter than me because she got some money. Without help it would be pushing 35,000 if you include books, room, food and all. Like I said, good thing she's smarter than me and got schollie help. She moves into a 9 story all freshman coed dorm at noon. AAAHHH to be young again.

[Rasputin]

I guess she is smarter than me because she got some money. Without help it would be pushing 35,000 if you include books, room, food and all. Like I said, good thing she's smarter than me and got schollie help. She moves into a 9 story all freshman coed dorm at noon. AAAHHH to be young again.

My daughther wants to go to Grinnell (thanks to her mothers advice). I like the idea of UNO, Iowa, or Iowa St, myself. :innocent:

[Jayfan]

My daughter moves into Keiwit hall at Creighton on Friday. Beat that.


Tell her to watch out for the boys of 4 south:naughty:

[DUBulldog]

My daughther wants to go to Grinnell (thanks to her mothers advice).

I think we have a winner in the "spend daddy's $$$$$$ category" :original: I don't suppose any of the Korver boys have ever considered Grinnell.....although they could average 50 ppg in Grinnell's system.

[Drakey]

You might be right about that, I really don't remember. I know that he wasn't listed among the top 10-15 players in Iowa by most of the "experts", and wasn't even the most highly regarded player on his high school team (Hibma was).


My memory was that Klayton was not even offered a scholarship by Creighton, and that Drake was really his only option. Am I wrong?

[MoValley John]

My memory was that Klayton was not even offered a scholarship by Creighton, and that Drake was really his only option. Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong.

[Bird]

It was my understanding as well that CU did not offer. I don't know whether Drake was his only other option.

[MoValley John]

Creigton did offer, they didn't go as strongly for Kaleb as other players, but they did pitch him an offer. Klayton even made an official visit to Creighton. As for Kaleb, he seems like he is getting similar looks and interest that Klayton did.

As for Kyle, he had no options. Drake didn't want him, Iowa State didn't want him, nobody wanted him. Creighton got him by default because UNI dropped the ball.

[LincolnJay]

As I recall, CU wanted Klayton to wait til spring to sign so they could follow him during his senior year. Don't think he wanted to wait for a Creighton "maybe scholie", Drake offered in the fall and he took it. I think he had more offers than Kyle ever got.

[TrueBlueJay]

CU did not offer a scholarship to Klayton.

I do not know about any other offers he may have had on the table.

[MoValley John]

Lincoln Jay hit it on the head. Creighton wanted him, but was working other guys and wanted him to wait.

[MoValley John]

Now Kyle, he got no love from anyone!

[cufan]

Not entirely on point on Klayton. Dana wanted him to wait, so he could see how he played his senior year and as you said see who else they were able to recruit. Dana was concerned that Klayton would not have the same success as Kyle. He was also concerned whether Klayton would fit into Dana's system. He did not want to bring Klayton in and have him sitting on the bench or put him under the pressure of living up to Kyle right after Kyle had completed his career and was fresh on everyone's mind. In short, he did not want an Eddy Bird situation.

Dana did want Klayton to wait pretty badly, but could not guaranty an offer would come even if Klayton waited. I think DU put some pressure on Klayton to sign in the fall or risk not getting an offer. Klayton and his parents decided to take the DU offer rather than risk waiting for CU - and I am not suggesting CU would have been his first choice, I don't know if that was even the case. In any event, except for knocking his knee out of whack it was a good choice for Klayton. Hopefully, he can step it up a notch now that he is healthy.

As for Kaleb, I dont think Dana has the same concern about following in Kyle's footsteps. Kyle is not as fresh in everyone's minds as he was two years ago. Although there would still be some expectation and comparison, I don't think Kaleb wouldn't quite have the same kind of pressure on him as Klayton would have.

[TrueBlueJay]

Lincoln Jay hit it on the head. Creighton wanted him, but was working other guys and wanted him to wait.

Translated:

Creighton did not offer Klayton a scholarship.

[MoValley John]

Further translated: A bird in the hand.
Sometimes this pays off, sometimes it doesn't.

[TrueBlueJay]

Forget the birds, give me the bush. :drool:

What LJ and cufan stated is my understanding as well.

[MoValley John]

I'll take the bush anyday, but then again, I'm married and the bush just don't come around so often anymore.

As for Klayton, during the recruiting process, I was travelling extensively between Omaha and Des Moines. The Klayton recruitment was publicized in both cities, as Klayton had narrowed his choices to the two prospective schools. I can't remember which players exactly, but Creighton was very high on a couple of guys and offered them early, asking Klayton to wait. I think Dana figured the Kyle factor would give him time. There was no question that Klayton would be offered, it just wasn't official. Klayton knew he had options and knew he would be offered by Creighton, but Drake forced the issue by offering and sealed the deal.

Does this mean that if Creighton offered early, Klayton would be a Bluejay? I don't think so. I think Klayton was leaning towards Drake, and when the offer came, he took it.

but then again, give me the bush!

[Mc Bulldog]

Ignorant expert? .. I see!

[Drakey]

So Movalleyjohn... you have gone from the position that I was absolutely wrong in saying that CU did not offer Klayton a Scholarship, to a position that CU did not offer Klayton a scholarship?

[DUBulldog]

As for Kyle, he had no options. Drake didn't want him.....

According to the story I've heard from very reliable sources, that is not entirely true....Drake wanted him, but did not have a scholarship available. Kurt Kanaskie wanted to offer him a scholarship anyway, assuming that one would open up in the spring. Kanaskie was told by those above him that he couldn't overbook his scholarships that way.

Anyway, that's the story I've heard from more than one Drake "insider".

[CUJay]

As for Kyle, he had no options. Drake didn't want him, Iowa State didn't want him, nobody wanted him. Creighton got him by default because UNI dropped the ball.

It is true that UNI dropped the ball on Kyle. My understanding is that Kyle was considering UNI and Creighton. UNI scheduled an in-home visit, and Kyle's family prepared a nice meal and waited patiently for the UNI coach(es) to show up. But they never did. The UNI folks forgot about the visit!

[MoValley John]

So Movalleyjohn... you have gone from the position that I was absolutely wrong in saying that CU did not offer Klayton a Scholarship, to a position that CU did not offer Klayton a scholarship?

"My memory was that Klayton was not even offered a scholarship by Creighton, and that Drake was really his only option. Am I wrong?"

No. I have gone from the position that both Drake and Creighton were recruiting Kaleb to both Drake and Creighton were recruiting Kaleb and Drake won. At the point that Kaleb committed, schollys were going to be made available from both schools and Kaleb knew it. More precisely, my objection was your position that "Drake was his only option."

[Drakey]

Thanks for the great news. I didn't know Kaleb had committed to the Bulldogs.

[Dawg_tired]

Help me out DU, but I think if you look at the stats for freshman and sophmore year, Klayton and Kyle are very similar. IMO Klayton has an intangible toughness that Drake lacked last year. He's the guy you want with the ball at the end of the game. Is he as good as Kyle? We'll see.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Sorry DT, but Klayton's stats don't compare very well to Kyle over their first two years.

Kyle (FR) 8.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 97-204 fg’s (48%), 63-145 3fg’s (43%), 34-38 ft’s (89%)
Kyle (SO) 14.6 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 148-315 fg’s (47%), 100-221 3fg’s (45%), 72-83 ft’s (87%)

Klayton (FR) 7.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 72-189 fg’s (38%), 39-122 3fg’s (32%), 34-46 ft’s (74%)
Klayton (SO) 9.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 87-216 fg’s (40%), 56-146 3fg’s (38%), 58-74 ft’s (78%)

There are lots of good reasons for Klayton's stats to be below Kyle's: Kyle had better teammates, the two played in different systems, Klayton played hurt his entire sophomore year, and it probably isn't fair to compare anyone to one of the best players in recent MVC history. That said, Klayton lags behind Kyle in almost every category, especially shooting.

I agree with what you said about toughness and wanting him to have the ball at the end. I remember that everyone but Klayton had the ball at the end a couple years ago.

[Jayfan]

It is true that UNI dropped the ball on Kyle. My understanding is that Kyle was considering UNI and Creighton. UNI scheduled an in-home visit, and Kyle's family prepared a nice meal and waited patiently for the UNI coach(es) to show up. But they never did. The UNI folks forgot about the visit!

Probably should be a whole new thread but... A) If UNI would have broken bread w/ the Korvers would Kyle have been a Panther?

and

B) If he did wear the purple and gold would he have achieved as much as he did in Omaha?

[MSNSaluki]

Does it raise any eyebrows that UNI "forgot" about a home visit?

I guess it could happen but it seems kind of out there.

Weird, wild, wacky stuff.:fear: :fear: