Would Syracuse, LSU, Michigan State or Iowa State even play SIU?

[MSNSaluki]

Just to be contrary ...:doh:

Let's look at the scheduling question from another perspective. Is it possible that SIU isn't finding BCS teams as willing to play it as Wichita State and Bradley has?

It's possible SIU has met more resistance from BCS schools because their recent resume has five years of pages versus one for WSU and Bradley.

Please ... this isn't a bombing of Beirut. Just another possible scenario.

[SiuCubFan8]

Just to be contrary ...:doh:

Let's look at the scheduling question from another perspective. Is it possible that SIU isn't finding BCS teams as willing to play it as Wichita State and Bradley has?

It's possible SIU has met more resistance from BCS schools because their recent resume has five years of pages versus one for WSU and Bradley.

Please ... this isn't a bombing of Beirut. Just another possible scenario.

Hmmmmmmmm, Interesting.

I would say it plays a role. Now how much? Have no idea?

[MoValley John]

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Let's look at the scheduling question from another perspective. Is it possible that SIU isn't finding BCS teams as willing to play it as Wichita State and Bradley has?

It's possible SIU has met more resistance from BCS schools because their recent resume has five years of pages versus one for WSU and Bradley.


This is a good point, but just one piece in a very complex puzzle. SIU may struggle a little harder to find any BCS one for ones because Carbondale isn't the easiest place for a BCS team to fly into, play a game, and fly out. Logistics are much easier for Peoria and Wichita.

[C0|db|00ded]

This is a good point, but just one piece in a very complex puzzle. SIU may struggle a little harder to find any BCS one for ones because Carbondale isn't the easiest place for a BCS team to fly into, play a game, and fly out. Logistics are much easier for Peoria and Wichita.

SIU may struggle a little harder to find any BCS one for ones because Carbondale isn't the easiest place for a BCS team to fly into, play a game, and fly out.

Could fan boats be an option?


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[MSNSaluki]

This is 2006. Contrary to popular belief, there are two airports (one in Carbondale, one in Marion) that can handle a plane that would bring in a BCS team. That's not an issue. Mid-majors that fly commercial and have to drive to Carbondale from St. Louis have bigger gripes than a BCS team that would charter into town.

I will agree Carbondale isn't the sexiest place in the world (unless you have an affinity for deer).

BTW, thanks for your input, COLD.:original:

[rjl]

I was thinking about this a little bit ago, and I came up with the following theory:

SIU has a way of winning by making their opposition look ugly. Low scoring games, no flash, no offensive firepower.... just long, tough, physical matchups.

Even when SIU loses, the team they lose to didn't look that good.

So I'm wondering if a lot of teams have reservations about playing SIU and have their team look like crap, win or lose?

[MoValley John]

This is 2006. Contrary to popular belief, there are two airports (one in Carbondale, one in Marion) that can handle a plane that would bring in a BCS team. That's not an issue. Mid-majors that fly commercial and have to drive to Carbondale from St. Louis have bigger gripes than a BCS team that would charter into town.

I will agree Carbondale isn't the sexiest place in the world (unless you have an affinity for deer).

BTW, thanks for your input, COLD.:original:

BCS teams, while they do charter flights, fly commercial as well. It is less expensive, so having to charter a flight for an OOC game would be a factor in scheduling. With the increased costs associated with charters, making a trip to Carbondale is less desirable for the big boys.

[C0|db|00ded]

I was thinking about this a little bit ago, and I came up with the following theory:

SIU has a way of winning by making their opposition look ugly. Low scoring games, no flash, no offensive firepower.... just long, tough, physical matchups.

Even when SIU loses, the team they lose to didn't look that good.

So I'm wondering if a lot of teams have reservations about playing SIU and have their team look like crap, win or lose?

Oh goodness, do you really want to wake up the entire SIU-C Nation now? What is the daily bandwidth limit on this forum? :innocent: :doh: :naughty:


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[SiuCubFan8]

Oh goodness, do you really want to wake up the entire SIU-C Nation now? What is the daily bandwidth limit on this forum? :innocent: :doh: :naughty:


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That was kinda funny Cold, I'll give you that one!

[rjl]

Oh goodness, do you really want to wake up the entire SIU-C Nation now? What is the daily bandwidth limit on this forum? :innocent: :doh: :naughty:


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No, I didn't see it as an insult.

SIU is a VERY defensive oriented team.

Even if they will have a lot more offense this year, that's the current perception.

The nationally televised Valley Championship game last year was a tough, ugly, defensive game.

Would you, as a BCS coach, want to bring your team into that?

[MSNSaluki]

No, I didn't see it as an insult.

SIU is a VERY defensive oriented team.

Even if they will have a lot more offense this year, that's the current perception.

The nationally televised Valley Championship game last year was a tough, ugly, defensive game.

Would you, as a BCS coach, want to bring your team into that?

I'm not insulted, either.
Our style works for us, and pretty well I might add.
RJL is right ... who WOULD want to play us?

[C0|db|00ded]

No, I didn't see it as an insult.

SIU is a VERY defensive oriented team.

Even if they will have a lot more offense this year, that's the current perception.

The nationally televised Valley Championship game last year was a tough, ugly, defensive game.

Would you, as a BCS coach, want to bring your team into that?

It is a fine point but based on a very sensitive premise of which I have used to author many "award-winning" threads. :innocent: :lol: Everybody knows the dawgs are ugly and bring the game to the lowest common denominator, but they have been behaving so nicely on the forum as of late I think we should let ugly dawgs lie. :sleeping: :original:

You guys have gotten so frisky lately I have had to go into semi-retirement! :lol:


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[DaShox]

Resume is a factor. WSU-Georgetown was a 1-1 deal while the reported MSU-Georgetown is a 2-1 deal. WSU has problems getting the big boys into Koch because it's an intimidating hell hole. Factor in SIU's home court streak with the "thug ball" and you have the same problem.

You have to give up something to get something.

[underdawg2]

[QUOTE=DaShox] Factor in SIU's home court streak with the "thug ball" and you have the same problem.


And we're just the right thugs to do it, too!
:bash: :chair: :angry:

(apologies to Bluto of Animal House)

[The Mad Hatter]

I don't know whether this has anything to do with it, but I wonder if the coaching turnover at SIU has made it harder to get BCS teams. Eventhough there has been consistent success at SIU, it has been under multiple coaches which may make it less likely that Lowery will be given credit for what happened under Weber and Painter in the minds of BCS coaches. I think that Mark's connections to the Larry Brown coaching tree helps in this respect, and in spite of success on the court, SIU has less of this.

I am not sure this plays a role, but it might. I do agree absolutely that SIU's style hurts their ability to schedule. BCS teams know that win or lose, a game against SIU will be ugly and will not make them look good for their local or a national audience.

[RoyalShock]

SIU's style of play shouldn't concern the Big 10 (eleven). But I guess when you're located in the heart of a BCS conference's "territory", those teams don't want to play you. It's easier to face a loss to a team half a continent away than one in your own back yard.

[Aargh]

This is pretty easy. Look at SIU's W/L record in Carbondale. SIU is one of the most difficult teams in the nation to beat on their home court.

That doesn't get great teams interested in playing in C'Dale and is why I think IU will buy out the return game.

SIU could probably beat half of the top-30 in C'dale next year - or the year after. Not many of the top-30 are going to be interested in that OOC loss.

SIU's scheduling isn't gong to get any easier, and St. Mary's isn't going o get press outside of C'Dale or maybe the Valley.

[DaShox]

That doesn't get great teams interested in playing in C'Dale and is why I think IU will buy out the return game.

Which is why SIU fans need to be careful about their commentary on 1-0 deals.

[BearsCountry]

Question for the Bradley fans - is there a hot shot high school prospect in Peoria right now? I know Peoria in the past produces alot of great players. That would make some teams play there.