Interesting MVC stats

[Rasputin]

I stole these from "GoJays" at the BJ Cafe, hopefully he won't mind that I used them. Very interesting indeed.

MVC Tournament Champions since 1977:

CU - 31% - 1978,1981,1989,1989,1991,1999,2000,2002,2003,2005
Southern - 17% - 1977,1993,1994,1995,2006
Illinois State - 13% - 1983,1990,1997,1998,
WSU - 6.8% - 1985,1987
Bradley - 6.8% - 1980,1988
Indiana State - 6.8% - 1979,2001
Nothern Iowa and MSU each have one title

(Tulsa won the rest during the 80's and 90's)

Conference Titles: I tried to break this down to the modern era but lunch time was coming so I didn't. (this includes shared titles)

Creighton - 13 conference titles
Southern - 7 titles
WSU - 6 titles
Bradley - 6 titles
Drake - 5 titles
Illionis State - 5 titles
Indiana State - 2 titles
Evansville - 1 title
UNI and MSU - 0

NCAA tournament streaks since 1994 for the MVC and totals:

Southern - 5 times- 2002-Current - 7 total times to NCAA
Creighton - 5 times - 1999-2003 - 6 total times to NCAA
UNI - 3 times - 2004-2006 - 3 total times to NCAA
Southern - 2 times - 1994-95
Illinois State - 2 times - 1997-1998 - 2 total times to NCAA
Indiana State - 2 times - 2000-2001 - 2 total times to NCAA
Bradley and WSU - 2006

MVC Sweet Sixteens - 6 times

1994 and 1995 Tulsa
1999 MSU
2001 Southern
2006 Bradley
2006 WSU

[iSASO]

Modern era? What's that? You sound like an MSU fan, thinking the league was founded when they joined in 1990.

MVC Sweet Sixteens - 9 times
1994 and 1995 Tulsa
1999 MSU
2001 Southern (It's 2002 right?)
2006 Bradley
1979 Indiana State
1964, 1982, 2006 Wichita State

MVC Elite Eights
1964, 1982 Wichita State
1979 Indiana State
1969 Drake

MVC Final Fours
1964 Wichita State
1969 Drake
1979 Indiana State

I could be missing some as well. Let's be accurate. This isn't Stalinist Russia, rewriting or re-inventing history is not allowed.

[Majik45]

NCAA tournament streaks since 1994 for the MVC and totals:
Southern - 5 times- 2002-Current - 7 total times to NCAA
Creighton - 5 times - 1999-2003 - 6 total times to NCAA
UNI - 3 times - 2004-2006 - 3 total times to NCAA
Southern - 2 times - 1994-95
Illinois State - 2 times - 1997-1998 - 2 total times to NCAA
Indiana State - 2 times - 2000-2001 - 2 total times to NCAA
Bradley and WSU - 2006


Last time I checked Bradley was in the NCAA tournament in 1996 too.

[brokeback shocker]

please list the years of the 13 championships by Creighton. I don' t think that is correct.

[brokeback shocker]

I just checked the NCAA recrod book.

Creighton does have 13 regular season championships (including co-championships) if you go back to the 1930s.

1930, 31, 32, 35, 36, 41, 42, 43, 78, 89, 91, 01, 02

I will tally up the rest of the valley for your intellectual pleasure and post later this a.m.

I believe that the equivalent of NCAA Div 1 started in 1945 0r 1946.

Is the 1930s the rigth starting place or should we start later?

[bcg]

Last time I checked Bradley was in the NCAA tournament in 1996 too.

Streaks. Bradley did play in NCAA tournament in '96, but AP got injured in '97 and it was off to the NIT again. The '95 team was good, but not good enough.

As long as they are showing old Final Four apperances, Bradley has a couple of those.

[brokeback shocker]

The NCAA record book says Division I started in 1948.

Since 1948, Creighton has 5 MVC championships.

[MSNSaluki]

Modern era? What's that? You sound like an MSU fan, thinking the league was founded when they joined in 1990.

MVC Sweet Sixteens - 9 times
1994 and 1995 Tulsa
1999 MSU
2001 Southern (It's 2002 right?)
2006 Bradley
1979 Indiana State
1964, 1982, 2006 Wichita State

MVC Elite Eights
1964, 1982 Wichita State
1979 Indiana State
1969 Drake

MVC Final Fours
1964 Wichita State
1969 Drake
1979 Indiana State

I could be missing some as well. Let's be accurate. This isn't Stalinist Russia, rewriting or re-inventing history is not allowed.

mark down SIU for a sweet 16 in 1977.

[martymoose]

Wow, a Jay fan posting inaccurate data....nothing new here...

[cufan]

Martymoose, The data is accurate. He said the tournament streaks since 1994. So again, the information is accurate within the time frame he stated. Others have expanded the scope beyond the original post. Read before you post.

[Hooloovoo]

Modern era? What's that? You sound like an MSU fan, thinking the league was founded when they joined in 1990.

Actually, I think that you could make a case for a "modern era" in college basketball. When that would be, I don't know for sure, but I would probably put it at just after the Magic-Bird finals. Looking back, I think that things have changed since then, probably not for the better.

[Majik45]

Martymoose, The data is accurate. He said the tournament streaks since 1994. So again, the information is accurate within the time frame he stated. Others have expanded the scope beyond the original post. Read before you post.

Ummm, it wasn't completely accurate cause Bradley was in the NCAA's twice since 1994, not just the sweet 16 run last year.

[DUBulldog]

Modern era? What's that? You sound like an MSU fan, thinking the league was founded when they joined in 1990.

MVC Sweet Sixteens - 9 times
1994 and 1995 Tulsa
1999 MSU
2001 Southern (It's 2002 right?)
2006 Bradley
1979 Indiana State
1964, 1982, 2006 Wichita State

MVC Elite Eights
1964, 1982 Wichita State
1979 Indiana State
1969 Drake

MVC Final Fours
1964 Wichita State
1969 Drake
1979 Indiana State

I could be missing some as well. Let's be accurate. This isn't Stalinist Russia, rewriting or re-inventing history is not allowed.

We can add Drake 1969, 1970, 1971 to your Sweet 16 list

and

Drake 1970, 1971 to your elite 8 list.

[LincolnJay]

Actually, I think that you could make a case for a "modern era" in college basketball. When that would be, I don't know for sure, but I would probably put it at just after the Magic-Bird finals. Looking back, I think that things have changed since then, probably not for the better.

I think the "modern era" of college basketball coincides with the advent of cable TV and the TV money that has poured into the sport since then {along with the opportunities to be on TV a lot}. Thus, you are probably looking at about the 80's on IMHO.

[rjl]

You can also add a "NCAA Championship Game" category and put 1979 Indiana St. in it.

[martymoose]

Martymoose, The data is accurate. He said the tournament streaks since 1994. So again, the information is accurate within the time frame he stated. Others have expanded the scope beyond the original post. Read before you post.


Actually, he said NCAA Tournament Streaks since 1994 and posted year - year streaks....but didn't put a year on Sweet 16's, so you sir should read before you post!

Plus he tried to manipulate data in favor of CU by selecting only years that suit his needs....Let's just look at the entire history of the MVC, or entire D1 history of each school...CU had a nice little run in the mid to late 90's and early 2000's, unfortunatly it's coming to an end now.

The sad part is even by manipulating data CU still has no Sweet 16's, going to the NCAA is great, but win some damn games for God's sake!... :(

[rjl]

I love basketball history, so I thought I'd keep this list going.

UPDATED MVC NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY

MVC Sweet Sixteens - 9 times
1994 and 1995 Tulsa
1999 MSU
1977, 2001 Southern (It's 2002 right?)
1950, 1954, 1955, 2006 Bradley
1979 Indiana State
1964, 1982, 2006 Wichita State
1969, 1970, 1971 Drake

MVC Elite Eights
1964, 1982 Wichita State
1979 Indiana State
1969, 70, 71 Drake
1950, 1954 Bradley

MVC Final Fours
1964 Wichita State
1969 Drake
1979 Indiana State
1950, 1954 Bradley

MVC NCAA Championship Game
1979 Indiana State


Anybody see anything that needs added or changed? Should we leave Tulsa in there.... cause if they're in there, surely Cincinnati, Louisville, etc. should be there too.

[dogdays]

My take on the modern era would be sometime when UCLA began to dominate, late 60's early to mid 70's...Jabbar, Walton..Elvin Hayes from Houston..Jr Birdgman from Louisville..David Thompson from NC State ... etc....that in my minds eye was the beginning....

[SiuCubFan8]

I love basketball history, so I thought I'd keep this list going.

UPDATED MVC NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY

MVC Sweet Sixteens - 9 times
1994 and 1995 Tulsa
1999 MSU
1977, 2001 Southern (It's 2002 right?)
1950, 1954, 1955, 2006 Bradley
1979 Indiana State
1964, 1982, 2006 Wichita State
1969, 1970, 1971 Drake

MVC Elite Eights
1964, 1982 Wichita State
1979 Indiana State
1969, 70, 71 Drake
1950, 1954 Bradley

MVC Final Fours
1964 Wichita State
1969 Drake
1979 Indiana State
1950, 1954 Bradley

MVC NCAA Championship Game
1979 Indiana State


Anybody see anything that needs added or changed? Should we leave Tulsa in there.... cause if they're in there, surely Cincinnati, Louisville, etc. should be there too.

Leave Tulsa but no Lousiville or Cinn, IMO.

[bcg]

MVC NCAA Championship Game
1979 Indiana State


Anybody see anything that needs added or changed? Should we leave Tulsa in there.... cause if they're in there, surely Cincinnati, Louisville, etc. should be there too.

I realize that it is a half century ago, but I believe Bradley played and lost in the championship game in both '50 and '54 against CCNY and LaSalle.

[iSASO]

Modern Era = the Year D1 was founded = 1948.

[rjl]

UPDATED MVC NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY

MVC Sweet Sixteens - 16 times
1994 and 1995 Tulsa
1999 MSU
1977, 2001 Southern (It's 2002 right?)
1950, 1954, 1955, 2006 Bradley
1979 Indiana State
1964, 1982, 2006 Wichita State
1969, 1970, 1971 Drake

MVC Elite Eights
1964, 1982 Wichita State
1979 Indiana State
1969, 70, 71 Drake
1950, 1954 Bradley

MVC Final Fours
1964 Wichita State
1969 Drake
1979 Indiana State
1950, 1954 Bradley

MVC NCAA Championship Game
1950, 1954 Bradley
1979 Indiana State

[rjl]

Just trying to keep this fresh and correct....

Updated to ad CU in S16.



UPDATED MVC NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY

MVC Sweet Sixteens - 16 times
1994 and 1995 Tulsa
1999 MSU
1977, 2001 Southern (It's 2002 right?)
1950, 1954, 1955, 2006 Bradley
1979 Indiana State
1964, 1982, 2006 Wichita State
1969, 1970, 1971 Drake
1974 Creighton

MVC Elite Eights
1964, 1982 Wichita State
1979 Indiana State
1969, 70, 71 Drake
1950, 1954 Bradley

MVC Final Fours
1964 Wichita State
1969 Drake
1979 Indiana State
1950, 1954 Bradley

MVC NCAA Championship Game
1950, 1954 Bradley
1979 Indiana State

[XSaluki]

If you are keeping Tulsa and setting the start at 1948, then Cincinnati and Louisville should be included or Tulsa should be dropped.

If you are starting talking 80s on, then you would keep Tulsa and dump the old guard.

Either way, it is a nice collection/history for the Valley.

[MSNSaluki]

I love basketball history, so I thought I'd keep this list going.

UPDATED MVC NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY

MVC Sweet Sixteens - 9 times
1994 and 1995 Tulsa
1999 MSU
1977, 2001 Southern (It's 2002 right?)
1950, 1954, 1955, 2006 Bradley
1979 Indiana State
1964, 1982, 2006 Wichita State
1969, 1970, 1971 Drake

MVC Elite Eights
1964, 1982 Wichita State
1979 Indiana State
1969, 70, 71 Drake
1950, 1954 Bradley

MVC Final Fours
1964 Wichita State
1969 Drake
1979 Indiana State
1950, 1954 Bradley

MVC NCAA Championship Game
1979 Indiana State


Anybody see anything that needs added or changed? Should we leave Tulsa in there.... cause if they're in there, surely Cincinnati, Louisville, etc. should be there too.

Good work, RJL!:valley:
Technically, SIU went to the Sweet 16 in 2002.

[shockball]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Championship

St. Louis went to the sweet sixteen as a valley member twice. 1952 and 1957.

[blueness]

FWIW:

Creighton was an independent from the 1949-1950 Season until rejoining the Valley for the 1977-1978 Season.

[Aargh]

MVC Tournament Champions since 1977:

CU - 31% - 1978,1981,1989,1989,1991,1999,2000,2002,2003,2005
This is a bit confusing. Oh, it's the auto bid out of St. Louis. I actually misread that as being the actual league champion those years.

So, what has the winner in St.Louis almost 1/3 of the time done with the auto bid? I think these are the results. Correct me if I am wrong.

1978 - one and done
1981 - one and done
1989 - one and done
1991 - one and done
1999 - one and done
2000 - one and done
2002 - round of 32
2003 - one and done
2005 - one and done

Way to represent.

I'm not basing this on research. I'm basing it on the fact that CU fans have pointed out their last S16 was 1974 and CU fans correcting a "one-and-done" post about the 2002 team. I haven't heard a cricket chirp when the remainder of CU's post-season results have been mentioned, so I'm assuming they're all "one-and-dones".

I'm really hoping there are some more "round of 32" seasons in there. The list I made has CU 1-9 in the Tourney in the years they've won the auto bid.

Just off the top of my head I remember these MVC results since 1978

WSU E8 - 1981, S16 - 2006
MSU S16 - 2001 (??)
SIU S16 - 2002
BU S16 - 2006

Please tell me I'm wrong in at least 2 of the years CU got the auto bid. That would put CU at 3-9 in the Tourney.

Then when other teams report some Tourney wins I think it's going to be obvious that CU has won the auto bid almost 1/3 of the time and is pretty much in the middle of the MVC for Tourney wins since 1978. The teams ahead of CU in Tourney wins will have had fewer opportunites and won more games.

I can't believe CU fans are pointing out how many times CU has made the Tourney. The Valley has 4 S16's in the last 6 years.

Please let there be some more "round of 32" games in Creighton's resume. If WSU won the auto bid 1/3 of the time and went 1-9 with it - I would be hanging my head in shame.

[wufan]

I would say the start of the modern era was in 1948. There were fairly dramatic changes to the game in the 60's when freshman were allowed to play varsity. When dunking was allowed, and when the 3-point line went into effect. I would guess those would be your cut off points.

[wufan]

And when Evansville became Division-I

[DaShox]

Modern Era vs. TV Era

The modern era of college basketball began with Division I in 1948. Most people lump the term modern era in with the advent of television. That being the case, the tv era for college sports did not begin in the 1980's with cable tv. The fact is, and most experts agree, the genesis of college basketball on tv began on January 20, 1968.

The Game of The Century
Featuring the nation's top two teams and two of college basketball's greatest players of all time, #2 University of Houston met #1 UCLA in college basketball's first nationally televised regular season game on January 20, 1968 in The Astrodome before a then-record 52,693 fans.

January 20, 1968, ah yes what a great day!

UCLA (13-0) had a 47 game winning streak while the Cougars (16-0) had won 17 straight and 48 consecutive home games.

Months earlier, Houston and UCLA had met in the 1967 national championship semifinals. It was Elvin Hayes vs Lew Alcindor. Hayes' 39 points & 15 rebounds led Houston to the win and broke the UCLA 47 game winning streak. This was the genesis of college basketball on television.

[shockball]

Wichita State went to the elite 8 in 1964. Need to add one more elite 8 for the good guys.
The shocks went to the final 4 in 1965.

Paul Silas and the bluejays had a non MC sweet 16 in 1964. Silas's final college game was a loss to WSU.

[skinny_uncle]

I stole these from "GoJays" at the BJ Cafe, hopefully he won't mind that I used them. Very interesting indeed.

MVC Tournament Champions since 1977:

CU - 31% - 1978,1981,1989,1989,1991,1999,2000,2002,2003,2005
Southern - 17% - 1977,1993,1994,1995,2006
Illinois State - 13% - 1983,1990,1997,1998,
WSU - 6.8% - 1985,1987
Bradley - 6.8% - 1980,1988
Indiana State - 6.8% - 1979,2001
Nothern Iowa and MSU each have one title

(Tulsa won the rest during the 80's and 90's)

Conference Titles: I tried to break this down to the modern era but lunch time was coming so I didn't. (this includes shared titles)

Creighton - 13 conference titles
Southern - 7 titles
WSU - 6 titles
Bradley - 6 titles
Drake - 5 titles
Illionis State - 5 titles
Indiana State - 2 titles
Evansville - 1 title
UNI and MSU - 0

NCAA tournament streaks since 1994 for the MVC and totals:

Southern - 5 times- 2002-Current - 7 total times to NCAA
Creighton - 5 times - 1999-2003 - 6 total times to NCAA
UNI - 3 times - 2004-2006 - 3 total times to NCAA
Southern - 2 times - 1994-95
Illinois State - 2 times - 1997-1998 - 2 total times to NCAA
Indiana State - 2 times - 2000-2001 - 2 total times to NCAA
Bradley and WSU - 2006

MVC Sweet Sixteens - 6 times

1994 and 1995 Tulsa
1999 MSU
2001 Southern
2006 Bradley
2006 WSU
Actually that run was 3 times (1993,1994,1995). The Dawgs were the first Valley team to win 3 straight Valley tourneys. The Sweet 16 runs for SIU were in 1977 and 2002.

[OmahaBen]

(edt: double post)

[OmahaBen]

Correct me if I am wrong.
No problem

1978 - one and done
1981 - one and done
1989 - one and done
1991 - one and done
1999 - one and done
2000 - one and done
2002 - round of 32
2003 - one and done
2005 - one and done
...
so I'm assuming they're all "one-and-dones".

You know what happens when you assume...

Off the top of my head, there's at least two more victories in there. Once in either 89 or 91 when Harstad and Co. advanced (I'm thinking 91, just cause that was also the CWS year), and again in 1999 when they beat Louisville in the first round (The Valley went 3-3 in the NCAA tourney that year).

[blueness]

FWIW

1991. CU 11-seed beat 6seed New Mexico State

CU lost in 2nd round to 3-seed Seton Hall.

1999. CU 10-seed beat 7-seed Louisville

CU lost in 2nd round to 2-seed Maryland

2001. CU 10-seed lost to 7-seed Iowa