WSU fans whining at Shockernet that their last game is...

[LincolnJay]

Wyoming. Sorry, but that's a pretty good team that had a down year last year but still ended up in their conference championship game with a VERY young team with basically everybody back.

Do you ever think that Wyoming fans are saying the same thing about WSU? That they wanted a BCS name? Scheduling WSU is a let down?

Now, having it on the road is pretty crappy scheduling, I will agree but home and home's with teams from that conference {BYU, Wyo, etc} are good gets ya whiners.:crybaby: Get over yourselves.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Wyoming. Sorry, but that's a pretty good team that had a down year last year but still ended up in their conference championship game with a VERY young team with basically everybody back.

Do you ever think that Wyoming fans are saying the same thing about WSU? That they wanted a BCS name? Scheduling WSU is a let down?

Now, having it on the road is pretty crappy scheduling, I will agree but home and home's with teams from that conference {BYU, Wyo, etc} are good gets ya whiners.:crybaby: Get over yourselves.

Thanks for visiting Shockernet. So, you like to complain about the amount of WSU fans here and how it ruins the board, but yet you go to the WSU message board? Makes since to me. :no:

[LincolnJay]

I go to all the boards on occasion - mostly for recruiting info. You have a couple guys over there that are pretty good at finding recruiting stories. Also dropped in on the basketball section to see what's up and found...:cry:

[blueblood]

I thought Shocker fans went to see the Shockers? It didn't matter who they were playing. ISASO, "I bought my tickets to see my team, not to see the opponent."? What? Are the ones not happy with Wyoming not true Shocker fans? How can this be?????

[rjl]

I go to all the boards on occasion - mostly for recruiting info. You have a couple guys over there that are pretty good at finding recruiting stories. Also dropped in on the basketball section to see what's up and found...:cry:

Whatever, hypocrite.

But sorry, whenever you think of the term 'good name', Wyoming isn't what pops into mind.

Combine that with the fact that, if this is indeed the one-and-one series Turg was alluding to, we're going on the road the first game, it doens't sit pretty.

Of course you know, since you've read the whole thread on Shockernet, there's a rumor we're just playing Wyoming (and going on the road the first year) because we're recruiting a 4-star '07 SF from Cheyenne. At least that would make sense.

[rjl]

I thought Shocker fans went to see the Shockers? It didn't matter who they were playing. ISASO, "I bought my tickets to see my team, not to see the opponent."? What? Are the ones not happy with Wyoming not true Shocker fans? How can this be?????

Blueblood, the master at using a self-professed ignorance of facts and context as an argumentative tactic.

Blueblood, you may think acting like an idiot may actually help you excel at debate..... but it really just makes you look like an idiot.

You can't seperate individual statements from one discussion and use them in another without taking into account the context.

If you don't understand that simple principle, I have no idea why I'm trying to convince you of anything in the first place.

[outpost]

Guess it's time to dispel the assertions from up north that Shocker fans are contradicting themselves.

If it happens, I'd be happy with Wyoming. My only problem with the arrangement is that I'd prefer it to be at home this year for better home-away balance.

Last time we had a home and home with the Cowboys, we got the home game first, so I can see why they might want to reverse the venues.

Hell, Randy Smithson took a team into Wyoming. And surprisingly, they competed well. Didn't come away with the 'w', but didn't make a bad showing either.

Finally, haven't looked at Wyoming's schedule [status], so don't know how desperate they are for a good home game for this season. Well, we may fit the bill for them.

Wyoming wouldn't be the first name that pops into my mind when thinking 'name team'.....but I wouldn't turn them down for a home and home, regardless of how stable the scheduling situation is at the time.

[blueblood]

For the record, and I think most Jays would agree, a home and home with Wyoming is a great get. I would take it in a heartbeat.

rjl, my feelings towards you are mutual.

[WSUbballer]

Maybe this is a "good" team for CU fans who are used to getting teams like this, but I hardly qualify a team coming off a 13-18 season with an RPI in the 150's as somebody "good".

[rjl]

For the record, and I think most Jays would agree, a home and home with Wyoming is a great get. I would take it in a heartbeat.

rjl, my feelings towards you are mutual.

Yet, you are the only one of the two of us who posts with the self-professed ingorance....

Of course, if it's not a feigned ingorance, you probably don't realize it.

Back on-topic.

Would I like a home-and-home with Wyoming? Sure.

Would I consider Wyoming a top 125, "good name" team? No, especially since they finished with a 170 or so RPI last season.

While Wyoming might be a great 1-and-1 for Creighton fans, I'd like WSU to aspire to more.

[outpost]

Interesting. Per the attached link, Wyoming [like WSU] is traveling to Canada next week for exhibition games. Instead of going to Brit. Columbia, they are heading to Calgary, Alberta.

http://wyomingathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/082306aaa.html

One other comment on this potential schedule addition. Wyoming's conference (The MWC) has fallen behind the Valley in RPI. But not much. A road win over these guys could help the Valley's RPI out later in the season. We've also got New Mexico in the Las Vegas tourney, so nobody should understate the importance of a game like this.

[LincolnJay]

Maybe this is a "good" team for CU fans who are used to getting teams like this, but I hardly qualify a team coming off a 13-18 season with an RPI in the 150's as somebody "good".

You {and many of your brethern} would make excellent BCS fans cause you think and act just like them.

Perhaps you should check out their prospects GOING FORWARD instead of dwelling on one bad year last year.

[rjl]

You {and many of your brethern} would make excellent BCS fans cause you think and act just like them.

Perhaps you should check out their prospects GOING FORWARD instead of dwelling on one bad year last year.

Wyoming has 9 freshmen and 4 sophmores.

Does that answer how "forward" they'll be this year and next?

I'll reiterate: this series would be great for Creighton fans, but not the jewel for us.

[blueblood]

wow

[Jayball]

No one said it would be a 'jewel'. Just a solid H and H series to get.

Maybe WSU should play Kenesaw State twice if Wyoming isn't cutting it?
That should be really compeitive.

[Aargh]

Wyoming's 2005-06 roster (http://wyomingathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/wyo-m-baskbl-mtt.html)

4 of the 7 upperclassmen from last year graduated. Should be 1 Jr and 3 Sr's on WU's roster this year.

WU ran an 8-man rotation last season and returns 4 of those players. 3 returning players were starters.

[rjl]

No one said it would be a 'jewel'. Just a solid H and H series to get.

Maybe WSU should play Kenesaw State twice if Wyoming isn't cutting it?
That should be really compeitive.

You are missing the point.

Yes, Wyoming is a good one-and-one.

But the "good name" comment had our collective expectations higher, especially in the context of LSU and Syracuse already on the schedule.

[DoubleJayAlum]

A couple of comments:

1. Perhaps Turgeon is taking the Lou Holtz approach while at ND and talking up the caliber of his opponents. I remember Holtz saying things like, "Well William & Mary is a good school and they have some really good athletes. If it wasn't for a few bad breaks last year, they could have gone undefeated." If Wyoming is the WSU opponent that Turgeon was referencing, then I would be dissapointed as well, not because Wyoming is a bad get, but because Turgeon made it sound like WSU would be playing somebody better.

2. I think that WSU backers are justifiably upset if the first game against Wyoming is on the road. WSu should be setting the scheduling terms not Wyoming. IF the first game is one the road, this should be an embarassment for WSU because it means they can't seem to get the upper hand in scheduling even against mediocre teams that failed to reach the post season last year. Although Turgeon is a good coach, its beginning to look like scheduling is not exactly his forte.

3. Nobody from CU said that a Wyoming game would be a "crown jewel", rjl. Its just a quality home and home series and frankly one most WSu fans probably wouldn't have had a problem with if Turgeon had not talked them up (assuming they are the team he was talking about perviously) and WSU didn't have to go on the road in year one.

4. What ever happened to the Mississippi State match-up? The statements out of Wichita and Mississippi St seemed to indicated this was almost a done deal? Any word on who backed out? Since it was the Miss. St. coach who mentioned the match-up to the media, if would seem more likely that Wichita was the one that cancelled, although I'm just speculating. With WSu's home scheule looking like it does, I would have thought a home game against Miss. St. would have been a nice game for the home fans to see.

[Dawg_tired]

Thanks for visiting Shockernet. So, you like to complain about the amount of WSU fans here and how it ruins the board, but yet you go to the WSU message board? Makes since to me. :no:

I think that makes "since" to everybody.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

I think that makes "since" to everybody.

:bulldogs:

[rjl]

A couple of comments:

1. Perhaps Turgeon is taking the Lou Holtz approach while at ND and talking up the caliber of his opponents. I remember Holtz saying things like, "Well William & Mary is a good school and they have some really good athletes. If it wasn't for a few bad breaks last year, they could have gone undefeated." If Wyoming is the WSU opponent that Turgeon was referencing, then I would be dissapointed as well, not because Wyoming is a bad get, but because Turgeon made it sound like WSU would be playing somebody better.

2. I think that WSU backers are justifiably upset if the first game against Wyoming is on the road. WSu should be setting the scheduling terms not Wyoming. IF the first game is one the road, this should be an embarassment for WSU because it means they can't seem to get the upper hand in scheduling even against mediocre teams that failed to reach the post season last year. Although Turgeon is a good coach, its beginning to look like scheduling is not exactly his forte.

3. Nobody from CU said that a Wyoming game would be a "crown jewel", rjl. Its just a quality home and home series and frankly one most WSu fans probably wouldn't have had a problem with if Turgeon had not talked them up (assuming they are the team he was talking about perviously) and WSU didn't have to go on the road in year one.

4. What ever happened to the Mississippi State match-up? The statements out of Wichita and Mississippi St seemed to indicated this was almost a done deal? Any word on who backed out? Since it was the Miss. St. coach who mentioned the match-up to the media, if would seem more likely that Wichita was the one that cancelled, although I'm just speculating. With WSu's home scheule looking like it does, I would have thought a home game against Miss. St. would have been a nice game for the home fans to see.

Thanks for the logical, thought out post, DoubleJay.

1. Exactly. I personally would be of the mind to undersell a game that isn't definite yet, and let the quality of the game speak for itself when it becomes public. If Wyoming is in fact the game, this is an area where Turg and I disagree.

2. I'm thinking the same thing. Is it really this hard to get teams at Koch this year? The only logical explanation I can think of is that we are recruting this forward (http://kansas.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=52120)out of Cheyenne. He graduates in 07, so a game there next year does us no good.

3. The 'crown jewel' comment was maybe over the line, but it was in response to the insinuations LincolnJay was making in this thread's opening post.

4. I don't know what happened to that, although I don't recollect ever hearing anything official from the WSU side. There was a mention in the Miss st. article, but maybe the shedules didn't line up? I don't know. I'd like to think we didn't turn that down without a good reason, though.

But who knows, maybe that's the series Turg is talking about, and the Wyoming rumor is just a red herring?

[dawg_tired nemesis]

originally posted by dawg_tired
I think that makes "since" to everybody

Congrats dt, you have won the all valley grammer rodeo. :innocent:

[outpost]

:censored: :censored: :censored:

Corrected.

[WSUbballer]

I think that makes "since" to everybody.
Sweet Irony. The man who doesn't know what a preposition is is now the one coming on board as the grammar police.

[TrueBlueJay]

Wyoming has 9 freshmen and 4 sophmores.

Does that answer how "forward" they'll be this year and next?

I'll reiterate: this series would be great for Creighton fans, but not the jewel for us.

Here are the Shocker "Jewel" home games this year. I'm sorry but I'm laughing my arse off as I write this:

Rockhurst
Chicago St.
UMKC
Kennedaw St.
Maryland Eastern-Shore :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[blueblood]

wow

[rjl]

Here are the Shocker "Jewel" home games this year. I'm sorry but I'm laughing my arse off as I write this:

Rockhurst
Chicago St.
UMKC
Kennedaw St.
Maryland Eastern-Shore :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wichita State is the at-home jewel for CU.

Heck, it's the road jewel too.

We're playing at least 2 teams better than CU this year.

[blueblood]

anatomy of a stupid question


Originally Posted by Bird
Add Louisville to the number of top notch teams that choose to rent their arena.


rjl, "Who are the others?"


then the answer


"Off the top of my head, Kentucky, Marquette, UNLV, and Georgetown. Not bad programs"


ouch

[rjl]

anatomy of a stupid question


Originally Posted by Bird
Add Louisville to the number of top notch teams that choose to rent their arena.


rjl, "Who are the others?"


then the answer


"Off the top of my head, Kentucky, Marquette, UNLV, and Georgetown. Not bad programs"


ouch

What?

How is that a stupid question?

I asked a question, he gave an answer.... and a bad one at that. I'd only call Kentucky and Georgetown "top-notch" teams out of that list.

How old are you? I'm not trying to insult, but I'm seriously starting to wonder. Your reasoning and arguments are the worst I've EVER seen anywhere, Internet or otherwise.

But, just to keep on-topic, for every "top-notch" basketball team you can name that plays off campus, I'd bet there are 3 or 4 who play on campus.

[Dawg_tired]

Kennedaw St.????????? Go Owls.

[WSUbballer]

Kennedaw St.????????? Go Owls.
Waldorf?? At least keep it Division 3...

[TrueBlueJay]

Wichita State is the at-home jewel for CU.

Heck, it's the road jewel too.

We're playing at least 2 teams better than CU this year.

LMAO - delusions of gradeur. You should try joining the real world some time.

This has to be one of the funniest threads in a VERY long time to watch some of the WSU fans stick up for their "jewel" home games.

Rockhurst
Chicago St.
UMKC
Kennedaw St.
Maryland Eastern-Shore

Gawd this is funny.

[outpost]

Always gotta defend those jewels.

[TrueBlueJay]

Always gotta defend those jewels.

Now that made me laugh at my desk at work - nice one OP

[MSNSaluki]

Yes, Wyoming is a good one-and-one.

There is nothing wrong with a home-and-home series with Wyoming.
Decent program. Not an RPI killer. And, WSU gets a home game next year out of the deal.
I say congrats WSU!

[cuhoops]

Wichita State is the at-home jewel for CU.

Heck, it's the road jewel too.

We're playing at least 2 teams better than CU this year.


LSU, maybe. But if you think Syracuse is going to be better than the jays; well, then I'm sad you don't think more of your Valley brethren. I think the shux will beat Syracuse, I really do. LSU, on the other hand, I don't know about. Time will tell.

[barkeep1967]

I'll reiterate: this series would be great for Creighton fans, but not the jewel for us.

Just have to ask. Are you just talking about the fans or the schools overall?

Because if you are talking about schools overall it's going to take a few more trips to the dance before WSU is on par with Creighton.

[rjl]

LMAO - delusions of gradeur. You should try joining the real world some time.

This has to be one of the funniest threads in a VERY long time to watch some of the WSU fans stick up for their "jewel" home games.

Rockhurst
Chicago St.
UMKC
Kennedaw St.
Maryland Eastern-Shore

Gawd this is funny.

Delusions?

EVERYTHING I said is a fact.

The top preseason ranking for any of your non-con schedule (according to ESPN's andy Katz list) is Xavier at 41.

The top game you play is WSU at 22.

WSU plays Syracuse (21) and LSU (5).

THOSE ARE FACTS, *******.

You can't dispute them. Sorry.

Once again, you aint got s***.

It funny to watch you try and come up with BS.

But you aint got s***.

WSU is the best team on your schedule.

[LincolnJay]

Delusions?

EVERYTHING I said is a fact.

The top preseason ranking for any of your non-con schedule (according to ESPN's andy Katz list) is Xavier at 41.

The top game you play is WSU at 22.

WSU plays Syracuse (21) and LSU (5).

THOSE ARE FACTS, *******.

You can't dispute them. Sorry.

Once again, you aint got ****.

It funny to watch you try and come up with BS.

But you aint got ****.

WSU is the best team on your schedule.

Why is Andy Katz the final word in polls. I believe CollegeHoopsNet is much more on top of things myself:


College Basketball: Preseason Top 40


In this month's updated Preseason Top 40, we have the added bonus of knowing who left (Cedric Simmons, Kyle Lowry, etc) and who stayed in school (Joakim Noah, Glen Davis, etc). The only team to completely drop out of the Top 40 is NC State, replaced by #37 Michigan. Moving back into Top 25 are Kentucky and LSU, who replace depleted Connecticut and Villanova.



2006-07 Early Preseason Top 40

1 Florida

..i really wanted to be different here, but florida just has too many guys back

2 Kansas

..everyone knows bill self can recruit, now its time for him to win big

3 North Carolina

..for me, it's less about the recruits, and more about tyler hansbrough

4 Wisconsin

..experienced badgers ready to surprise with big ten title

5 LSU

..the return of davis is huge, but incoming transfers will be the key

6 Ohio State

..oden injuries and lack of depth lead to many questions

7 Duke

..the health of nelson and the improvement of mcroberts are key

8 UCLA

..despite loss of farmar, this team is still the class of the pac-10

9 Alabama

..steele, davidson, hendrix give tide good mix of inside-outside

10 Louisville

..loss of dean is no big deal, cards will battle pittsburgh for big east title


11 Texas A&M

..just about the entire team is back from this emerging program

12 Washington

..no one recruits (see hawes, spencer) better than romar these days

13 Pittsburgh

..gray will be a rock, but success will depend on the play of fields & ramon

14 Tennessee

..chris lofton is one of the nation's most underrated scoring stars

15 Memphis

..yes, tigers lose a lot, but coach cal has a stockpile of young talent

16 Georgetown

..lose trio of seniors, but no conference lost more than big east this summer

17 Arizona

..williams and budinger could have arizona back in final four.. in 2008

18 Syracuse

..uconn and nova losses are gains for eric devendorf and crew

19 Boston College

..jared dudley now the man with partner smith gone

20 Texas

..kevin durant and co. better be as good as advertised

21 Kentucky

..forget rondo, this team is ready to atone for last year's disappointment

22 Southern Illinois

..salukis return top 9 scorers from tourney team, but mvc is no cake-walk

23 Georgia Tech

..young jackets still probably a year away from top 10

24 Oklahoma State

..coaching change will help, boggan and curry are set for better things

25 Xavier

..easily the team to beat in the atlantic 10 next year

26 Florida State ..like self above, hamilton brings in names but needs to produce

27 Marquette ..with lowry gone, james is easily best pg in the big east

28 Creighton ..return of funk should push jays back into big dance

29 Villanova ..surprise loss of lowry hurts, not enough help for curtis sumpter

30 Michigan State ..a new era begins without ager, brown, and davis

31 Indiana

32 Connecticut

33 Nevada

34 Gonzaga

35 Illinois

36 Hofstra

37 Michigan

38 Bucknell

39 Wichita State

40 South Carolina

[cuhoops]

FACT. YOU CAN'T DISPUTE THAT. SORRY.




:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[rjl]

FACT. YOU CAN'T DISPUTE THAT. SORRY.




:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hmm. Please tell me you are dumb enough to believe WSU will be ranked #39 in the opening polls. PLEASE. That would be a bigger insult to your intelligence than ANYTHING I could ever post.

Even so, according to this BS list:

Looks like SIU is still the best team you'll play all year long.

Then WSU.

According to this one, WSU plays THREE teams better than Creighton this year. None of your non-con is even on this list.

Guess what?

YOU STILL aint got sh t.

It eats you up in side. I know it does. That's why you are so obsessed. That's why you're obsessed enough to rely on the ONE poll that has WSU ranked so low. That's why all you blue gnats swarm all over WSU in all the posts on Shockernet. It eats you up soooo much, and it's sooo funny to us.

You aint got sh t. hahaha...

[WuDrWu]

Maybe this is a "good" team for CU fans who are used to getting teams like this, but I hardly qualify a team coming off a 13-18 season with an RPI in the 150's as somebody "good".


Perfect. Thanks for saving me some more typing.

[TrueBlueJay]

Hmm. Please tell me you are dumb enough to believe WSU will be ranked #39 in the opening polls. PLEASE. That would be a bigger insult to your intelligence than ANYTHING I could ever post.

Even so, according to this BS list:

Looks like SIU is still the best team you'll play all year long.

Then WSU.

According to this one, WSU plays THREE teams better than Creighton this year. None of your non-con is even on this list.

Guess what?

YOU STILL aint got sh t.

It eats you up in side. I know it does. That's why you are so obsessed. That's why you're obsessed enough to rely on the ONE poll that has WSU ranked so low. That's why all you blue gnats swarm all over WSU in all the posts on Shockernet. It eats you up soooo much, and it's sooo funny to us.

You aint got sh t. hahaha...

Tell you what "dumbarse" (since you have lowered this to name calling).

I'll be willing to bet Creighton's OOC schedule is ranked higher in the RPI ranking that WSU's this season. Loser can't post on the board for a year.

What say you, dumbarse?

I think its funny that you are actually trying to stick up for your OOC schedule...that's all. It makes me laugh.

But I'm willing to put CU's schedule against WSU's. Are you all in? Or are you going to fold?

[rjl]

Tell you what "dumbarse" (since you have lowered this to name calling).

I'll be willing to bet Creighton's OOC schedule is ranked higher in the RPI ranking that WSU's this season. Loser can't post on the board for a year.

What say you, dumbarse?

I think its funny that you are actually trying to stick up for your OOC schedule...that's all. It makes me laugh.

But I'm willing to put CU's schedule against WSU's. Are you all in? Or are you going to fold?

Haha...

You still aint got sh t.

Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

It's not just about SoS. It's about NAMES. Like it or not.

WSU's already had national sports journalists writing about our non-conference schedule, complete with "statement games". The season is still months away, and we're already getting publicity for who we've scheduled.

You aint got sh t.

When CU beats Xavier, and they'd better, it won't mean anything. You were expected to. You'll have to dig for newstories.

When WSU travels down to LSU, it will be news before the game even starts. S16 team vs. Final 4 team. S16 team with the balls to schedule them, return game next year in Wichita.

Bank on it.

You know it now. I can tell. If you didn't realize it before, you're starting to. I know you'll never admit it though. You'll still stalk Shockernet, looking for any tidbit of info you can start an entire thread on Valleytalk with, then attempt to deny your obsession.

You aint got sh t.

p.s. I didn't lower it to namecalling. I said you'd be dumb if you actually thought that #39 was true. You're reaching now. I can tell. Looking for reasons to try and say I'm not playing fair.

You know what?

You. Aint. Got. Sh t.

[DJShocker10]

I just gotta get this out of my head.

These polls mean nothing. They're the freakin PRESEASON polls. They don't count towards SQUAT!

Syracuse is a good team. But I really don't think they're going to be as good as the polls say. They won't be great. I think Xavier is on par with Syracuse. They only thing that could set Syracuse beyond would be because they're a name school (and 30,000+ Orange).

LSU is the best Non-Con game in the Valley as far as I've seen.

My point again- THE PRESEASON MEANS NOTHING!! What was George Mason ranked preseason last year??

The top half of the Valley can beat any team when they're playing at their best.

I'm done for now.

:valley: :shockers:

[TrueBlueJay]

Haha...

You still aint got sh t.

Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

It's not just about SoS. It's about NAMES. Like it or not.

WSU's already had national sports journalists writing about our non-conference schedule, complete with "statement games". The season is still months away, and we're already getting publicity for who we've scheduled.

You aint got sh t.

When CU beats Xavier, and they'd better, it won't mean anything. You were expected to. You'll have to dig for newstories.

When WSU travels down to LSU, it will be news before the game even starts. S16 team vs. Final 4 team. S16 team with the balls to schedule them, return game next year in Wichita.

Bank on it.

You know it now. I can tell. If you didn't realize it before, you're starting to. I know you'll never admit it though. You'll still stalk Shockernet, looking for any tidbit of info you can start an entire thread on Valleytalk with, then attempt to deny your obsession.

You aint got sh t.

p.s. I didn't lower it to namecalling. I said you'd be dumb if you actually thought that #39 was true. You're reaching now. I can tell. Looking for reasons to try and say I'm not playing fair.

You know what?

You. Aint. Got. Sh t.

:sleeping:

Go back and check post #38

I noticed you wouldn't take my bet. Nothing you say holds any water from here on out. You obviously are nothing but a troll.

Have a good time with your home OOC schedule this year. If you don't beat everyone by 20 it will be a failure. Sounds like fun.

[rjl]

So, do you think anything posted on Valleytalk means ANYTHING then?

It's a discussion board. Preseason polls are discussion, for discussion.

[rjl]

:sleeping:

Go back and check post #38

I noticed you wouldn't take my bet. Nothing you say holds any water from here on out. You obviously are nothing but a troll.

Have a good time with your home OOC schedule this year. If you don't beat everyone by 20 it will be a failure. Sounds like fun.

You ever heard that song by the Cray-Tones?

We Aint Got Sh_t?

Tell you what. I have no idea who CU has on their non-con other than the teams you guys have bragged about here.

Knowing that, I'll bet WSU's non conference schedule gets more discussion and respect than Creighton's come NCAA Selection time.

[TrueBlueJay]

Too subjective.

Obviously you do not want to bet - you are a bigger kitty than I originally thought.

You've shown you have no stones. The board sees you for what you are.

We are done.

[rjl]

Too subjective.

Obviously you do not want to bet - you are a bigger kitty than I originally thought.

You've shown you have no stones. The board sees you for what you are.

We are done.

Too subjective?

But isn't the respect the selection comittee and press give your non-con schedule WHAT MATTERS?

I know why you don't want to bet on it.

Man, you realize it.

You.


Aint.


Got.


Sh_t.

[TrueBlueJay]

Too subjective?

But isn't the respect the selection comittee and press give your non-con schedule WHAT MATTERS?

I know why you don't want to bet on it.

Man, you realize it.

You.


Aint.


Got.


Sh_t.

Here kitty kitty kitty.

[rjl]

TBJ,

Let me put this hypothetical question out there for you.

This isn't indicative of either Creighton or WSU. It's just a question to see where you stand.

And, please be honest. If you are at least half-way intelligent you can tell the conclusions that could be drawn from your answer.

OK?

Assume for the sake of argument there are 300 NCAA D-1 teams.

Your team is ABC, ranked #25. Best pre-season ranking it's had in a LONG time. Your non-con schedule is 10 games.

Scenario 1, ABC plays teams ranked the following:
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109

avg: 105

Scenario 2, ABC plays teams ranked the following:
1
2
3
4
5
251
252
253
254
255

avg: 128

Which schedule do you think is a better non-conference schedule? Which schedule will get more publicity? Which schedule will get more respect?

Which schedule would you like ABC to play, considering where ABC has been and where you want them to go?

[TrueBlueJay]

Here Kitty kitty kitty.

[rjl]

Here Kitty kitty kitty.

Why don't you take my bet?

Why don't you answer my question?

Oh. I know. You know it too.

You. Aint. Got. Sh_t.

You're little "kitty kitty kitty" taunt doesn't mean anything. I just wont take your bet because I have no idea who you're playing, nor do I care.

All I care is that WSU's non-con schedule is FAR more impressive than CU's. You know it.

That's a fact. You can't deny it.

So take my bet. Come on. Take it. Take the bet on the conditions that MEAN something. Take it. Please, I beg you. Take it.

You aint got sh_t, and your kitty kitty crap proves it.

[DJShocker10]

Why don't you take my bet?

Why don't you answer my question?

Oh. I know. You know it too.

You. Aint. Got. Sh_t.

You're little "kitty kitty kitty" taunt doesn't mean anything. I just wont take your bet because I have no idea who you're playing, nor do I care.

All I care is that WSU's non-con schedule is FAR more impressive than CU's. You know it.

That's a fact. You can't deny it.

So take my bet. Come on. Take it. Take the bet on the conditions that MEAN something. Take it. Please, I beg you. Take it.

You aint got sh_t, and your kitty kitty crap proves it.

:clap:

[TrueBlueJay]

Why don't you take my bet?

Why don't you answer my question?

Oh. I know. You know it too.

You. Aint. Got. ****.

You're little "kitty kitty kitty" taunt doesn't mean anything. I just wont take your bet because I have no idea who you're playing, nor do I care.

All I care is that WSU's non-con schedule is FAR more impressive than CU's. You know it.

That's a fact. You can't deny it.

So take my bet. Come on. Take it. Take the bet on the conditions that MEAN something. Take it. Please, I beg you. Take it.

You aint got ****, and your kitty kitty crap proves it.

Kitty - I'm the one who offered you a wager and you have avoided it. Are you in or are you out?

Here kitty kitty kitty

[TrueBlueJay]

By the way - for a wager to take place, there must be a specific, measurable result.

You wager is neither of these.

You in or out, kitty?

[TrueBlueJay]

All I care is that WSU's non-con schedule is FAR more impressive than CU's. You know it.

That's a fact. You can't deny it.



Rockhurst
Chicago St.
UMKC
Kennedaw St.
Maryland Eastern-Shore

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[WuDrWu]

I just gotta get this out of my head.

These polls mean nothing. They're the freakin PRESEASON polls. They don't count towards SQUAT!

Syracuse is a good team. But I really don't think they're going to be as good as the polls say. They won't be great. I think Xavier is on par with Syracuse. They only thing that could set Syracuse beyond would be because they're a name school (and 30,000+ Orange).

LSU is the best Non-Con game in the Valley as far as I've seen.

My point again- THE PRESEASON MEANS NOTHING!! What was George Mason ranked preseason last year??

The top half of the Valley can beat any team when they're playing at their best.

I'm done for now.

:valley: :shockers:

DJ, I love ya man but I hope you have a breathalizer on your car. Syracuse would beat Xavier 19 out of 20 times. They are not on par at all. Me thinks you've been dipping into the blueaid a little too much lately.

[LincolnJay]

Hmm. Please tell me you are dumb enough to believe WSU will be ranked #39 in the opening polls. PLEASE. That would be a bigger insult to your intelligence than ANYTHING I could ever post.

Even so, according to this BS list:

Looks like SIU is still the best team you'll play all year long.

Then WSU.

According to this one, WSU plays THREE teams better than Creighton this year. None of your non-con is even on this list.

Guess what?

YOU STILL aint got sh t.

It eats you up in side. I know it does. That's why you are so obsessed. That's why you're obsessed enough to rely on the ONE poll that has WSU ranked so low. That's why all you blue gnats swarm all over WSU in all the posts on Shockernet. It eats you up soooo much, and it's sooo funny to us.

You aint got sh t. hahaha...

You're a troll and you can't read = Xavier is #25 in that poll.

TBJ is right, you got no stones. 5 home OOC games against 250+ teams except UMKC 150+. Your team better win damn near everything this year cause your RPI is gonna suck.

[WuDrWu]

LSU, maybe. But if you think Syracuse is going to be better than the jays; well, then I'm sad you don't think more of your Valley brethren. I think the shux will beat Syracuse, I really do. LSU, on the other hand, I don't know about. Time will tell.


Again, too much blue aid. So you think CU would be favored at SU???????

No chance, no how. I love BJ fans sometimes. Many of you now are setting it up so that if WSU loses, you will claim they underachieved while your nadless athletic department rests on the soft games you have scheduled.

"WSU should beat Syracuse and LSU, maybe." Trust me, if WSU wins these 2 games then the Shocks will be in the top 10 (and CU will not).

Regardless of the outcome, WSU will come out of these games a better team.

Can you say the same?

[rjl]

Rockhurst
Chicago St.
UMKC
Kennedaw St.
Maryland Eastern-Shore

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

LSU
Syracuse
KSU/USC

And Creighton has Xavier, and....

....







....








....





Who is Creighton playing again? Xavier, and......?

Take my wager. I proposed one too. One that's betting on what MATTERS.

I know why you won't. Because the eventual winner is even obvious to you.

¿Y porqué es eso?

No tienes mierda!

[rjl]

You're a troll and you can't read = Xavier is #25 in that poll.

TBJ is right, you got no stones. 5 home OOC games against 250+ teams except UMKC 150+. Your team better win damn near everything this year cause your RPI is gonna suck.

Troll?

hahaha....

I'm not the one starting flame threads by picking information of the other team's board, Skippy.

[TrueBlueJay]

No chance, no how. I love BJ fans sometimes. Many of you now are setting it up so that if WSU loses, you will claim they underachieved while your nadless athletic department rests on the soft games you have scheduled.



Hopefully you aren't from the same kitty litter (get it?) as rjl - I'll make the same offer to you.

CU will have a higher rated OOC schedule than WSU according to the RPI rankings.

Loser doesn't post on VT for a year.

[rjl]

Hopefully you aren't from the same kitty litter (get it?) as rjl - I'll make the same offer to you.

CU will have a higher rated OOC schedule than WSU according to the RPI rankings.

Loser doesn't post on VT for a year.

Here kitty kitty. Take my bet.

Here kitty kitty.

[TrueBlueJay]

LSU
Take my wager. I proposed one too. One that's betting on what MATTERS.



Please - I beg you - quit showing your ignorance and your lack of stones. You look foolish. It MUST be specific and measurable. Yours is neither. Mine is.

And when all else fails - my wager was offered first. You ran away.

Here kitty, kitty, kitty.

[LincolnJay]

Here kitty kitty. Take my bet.

Here kitty kitty.

Man, you are one big puss[y]. Take TBJ's bet if you got any stones.

[TrueBlueJay]

Here kitty kitty. Take my bet.

Here kitty kitty.

Good comeback Kitty. LMAO

[WuDrWu]

Bottom line, our schedule is challenging, CU's is not.


You know it, I know it, sports writers know it, the rest of the country knows it.


Closing your eyes, covering your ears and screaming "lalalalalalalalalalala Dana is god" doesn't make it any different.




I used to pull for CU all the time. No more. I've had it with the ignorance and elitism of so many CU fans. I'd like to say I'll change my mind and support all the Valley teams but I don't see how I will at this point.

[cuhoops]

Again, too much blue aid. So you think CU would be favored at SU???????

No chance, no how. I love BJ fans sometimes. Many of you now are setting it up so that if WSU loses, you will claim they underachieved while your nadless athletic department rests on the soft games you have scheduled.

"WSU should beat Syracuse and LSU, maybe." Trust me, if WSU wins these 2 games then the Shocks will be in the top 10 (and CU will not).

Regardless of the outcome, WSU will come out of these games a better team.

Can you say the same?

CU is ranked in the top 10 in a pre-season poll. We simply are supposed to be a very good basketball team this year. I didn't say WSU should beat LSU and SU, maybe. I said "they should beat SU, I don't know about LSU." Don't put words in my mouth. If you only win one of those games or win none of those games you are not sitting pretty with the selection crew; however, if you win both, you will be sitting VERY pretty,unless you lose one of your 5 or 6 exhibition games. You're taking a big gamble, we'll see how it works out. The Jays prefer to do one-and-ones with teams like George Mason, Xavier, and (eek, Nebraska) and we also have a good chance of playing Hawaii in the tournament. The Shux and the Jays both have good chances at the tourney with their schedules, now let's see who capitalizes.



And as for our "ignorance and elitism" have you read ANY of Isaso's, rjl's, clods, or MKR's posts? Seriously! They claim to be the class of the valley, have national rep., the best coach in the Valley, the best arena in the Valley, the best team in the Valley, etc. We CU fans have just retaliated; it's what you do on message boards.


:jays: :jays:

[outpost]

Bottom line, our schedule is challenging, CU's is not.


You know it, I know it, sports writers know it, the rest of the country knows it.


Closing your eyes, covering your ears and screaming "lalalalalalalalalalala Dana is god" doesn't make it any different.




I used to pull for CU all the time. No more. I've had it with the ignorance and elitism of so many CU fans. I'd like to say I'll change my mind and support all the Valley teams but I don't see how I will at this point.

I won't go that far. I'll save up all my energy, voice and good natured (yet spirited) antagonisms for Creighton's visit to Koch. Other than that, good luck against the [Not exactly New England] Patriots, Mukseteers, and huksers.

[WuDrWu]

I won't go that far. I'll save up all my energy, voice and good natured (yet spirited) antagonisms for Creighton's visit to Koch. Other than that, good luck against the [Not exactly New England] Patriots, Mukseteers, and huksers.


Perhaps I should rethink my stance. If the brilliant Outpost says so, I probably am wrong.

I will try to be a better fan, old friend.

[rjl]

Good comeback Kitty. LMAO

You still aint got ****, and you know it.

You're schedule is weaker than it should be for a team like CU, and you know it. With Xavier, and..... who else? There's got to be someone, but no one I or anyone else remembers.


Time will tell when the actual AP and ESPN polls come out, but I'd be willing to make a large wager they're a heck of a lot closer to the Katz poll than the other one.

WSU plays TWO teams better than CU, and the best team CU plays is WSU.

You can whine and complain and fill the board with all your kitty kitty crap, but you know it's true and I know that it hurts you.

You aint got ****.

I love saying that, because I know how much it hurts you when you read it and know it's true.

Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

The funny thing is you think you're actually hiding the fact that you are seeting in anger. Don't be mad at me, man, I didn't make the BlueJay schedule.

Come tournament time, the comittee will be talking about how CU had no guts and didn't play many tough games, and how WSU went and got statement games against some damn good teams.

And you know it.

There's no amount of BS you can post that will make me or any WSU fan, or most anyone with any common sense, think otherwise.

You aint got sh t.

[TrueBlueJay]

You still aint got ****, and you know it.

You're schedule is weaker than it should be for a team like CU, and you know it. With Xavier, and..... who else? There's got to be someone, but no one I or anyone else remembers.


Time will tell when the actual AP and ESPN polls come out, but I'd be willing to make a large wager they're a heck of a lot closer to the Katz poll than the other one.

WSU plays TWO teams better than CU, and the best team CU plays is WSU.

You can whine and complain and fill the board with all your kitty kitty crap, but you know it's true and I know that it hurts you.

You aint got ****.

I love saying that, because I know how much it hurts you when you read it and know it's true.

Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

The funny thing is you think you're actually hiding the fact that you are seeting in anger. Don't be mad at me, man, I didn't make the BlueJay schedule.

Come tournament time, the comittee will be talking about how CU had no guts and didn't play many tough games, and how WSU went and got statement games against some damn good teams.

And you know it.

There's no amount of BS you can post that will make me or any WSU fan, or most anyone with any common sense, think otherwise.

You aint got sh t.

I'll stop with the name calling - but it really is VERY simple. Take my bet.

[LincolnJay]

You still aint got ****, and you know it.

You're schedule is weaker than it should be for a team like CU, and you know it. With Xavier, and..... who else? There's got to be someone, but no one I or anyone else remembers.


Time will tell when the actual AP and ESPN polls come out, but I'd be willing to make a large wager they're a heck of a lot closer to the Katz poll than the other one.

WSU plays TWO teams better than CU, and the best team CU plays is WSU.

You can whine and complain and fill the board with all your kitty kitty crap, but you know it's true and I know that it hurts you.

You aint got ****.

I love saying that, because I know how much it hurts you when you read it and know it's true.

Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

The funny thing is you think you're actually hiding the fact that you are seeting in anger. Don't be mad at me, man, I didn't make the BlueJay schedule.

Come tournament time, the comittee will be talking about how CU had no guts and didn't play many tough games, and how WSU went and got statement games against some damn good teams.

And you know it.

There's no amount of BS you can post that will make me or any WSU fan, or most anyone with any common sense, think otherwise.

You aint got sh t.

Wow, amazing.

Dude, you're like an in-denial alcoholic who, when confronted with his disease, throws up deflection after deflection and never addresses the issue and instead will write a full page diatribe of nonsense instead of saying, "okay, I'll take that bet/I have a problem".

You have my pity.

[rjl]

Wow, amazing.

Dude, you're like an in-denial alcoholic who, when confronted with his disease, throws up deflection after deflection and never addresses the issue and instead will write a full page diatribe of nonsense instead of saying, "okay, I'll take that bet/I have a problem".

You have my pity.

I've been confronted with nothing. NOTHING.

You've been confronted with the truth, and you're predictably denying it.

CU's schedule is weak. WEAK. Weak as in taking no chances, striving for nothing. It looks that way now, and it will look that way come selection time.

[rjl]

Let me confront you with this again, because you're predictably ignoring it:

Let me put this hypothetical question out there for you.

This isn't indicative of either Creighton or WSU. It's just a question to see where you stand.

And, please be honest. If you are at least half-way intelligent you can tell the conclusions that could be drawn from your answer.

OK?

Assume for the sake of argument there are 300 NCAA D-1 teams.

Your team is ABC, ranked #25. Best pre-season ranking it's had in a LONG time. Your non-con schedule is 10 games.

Scenario 1, ABC plays teams ranked the following:
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109

avg: 105

Scenario 2, ABC plays teams ranked the following:
1
2
3
4
5
251
252
253
254
255

avg: 128

Which schedule do you think is a better non-conference schedule? Which schedule will get more publicity? Which schedule will get more respect?

Which schedule would you like ABC to play, considering where ABC has been and where you want them to go?

[DUBulldog]

Let me confront you with this again, because you're predictably ignoring it:

Let me put this hypothetical question out there for you.

This isn't indicative of either Creighton or WSU. It's just a question to see where you stand.

And, please be honest. If you are at least half-way intelligent you can tell the conclusions that could be drawn from your answer.

OK?

Assume for the sake of argument there are 300 NCAA D-1 teams.

Your team is ABC, ranked #25. Best pre-season ranking it's had in a LONG time. Your non-con schedule is 10 games.

Scenario 1, ABC plays teams ranked the following:
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109

avg: 105

Scenario 2, ABC plays teams ranked the following:
1
2
3
4
5
251
252
253
254
255

avg: 128

Which schedule do you think is a better non-conference schedule? Which schedule will get more publicity? Which schedule will get more respect?

Which schedule would you like ABC to play, considering where ABC has been and where you want them to go?

I could actually see it both ways. Obviously, the 251-255 games won't do much to help your team prepare for conference, but the 1-5 games will, and will certainly give you more publicity than the 100-109 games. However, if you end up losing the 1-5 games, and losing them badly, it's not necessarily good publicity (you can argue that there's no such thing as bad publicity). If you manage to stay close in (or win 1-2 of) the 1-5 games, it would help your tourney chances, but if you get beat bad in all 5, or even 3-4 out of 5, they won't mean sh t :innocent:

[TrueBlueJay]

I'll stop with the name calling - but it really is VERY simple. Take my bet.

I'll take your response as a NO.

It's been nice chatting with you - have a nice day.

[Jayball]

rjl

If you believe you position so strongly, why don't you take the bet?

You can post your hypothetical schedule numbers, but you know that neither teams schedule will look like that. Several websites already calculate overall Strength of Schedule. Why not use theirs and see what happens?

That being said both teams are doing what they think it takes to get an at large. As much as it will be annoying on here, I hope WSU beats LSU and SU. What exempt tournament is WSU playing in this year?

[outpost]

Jayball, this is getting exhausting.....

WSU plays 4 games in a Las Vegas Tourney right before Christmas. We've got the two cupcakes at home......Kennesaw St., and UM-E. Shore*....assuming that we win both of these with our under-talented squad, we will then earn matchups with New Mexico and either USC or Kansas St. in Vegas.

*I think that Gary Williams decided to use his influence to send Maryland-Eastern Shore to Wichita so he wouldn't have to make excuses for not showing up in the midwest with his own school. Of course, we're all a little bit wiser than that, Gary :yes: ....and we'll still be hammering you with e-mails calling you out for your cowardice.......:yes: :yes: :yes:

You can post your hypothetical schedule numbers, but you know that neither teams schedule will look like that. Several websites already calculate overall Strength of Schedule. Why not use theirs and see what happens?

Back to you Jayball....as an outsider to this exchange with rjl, I'd be interested in seeing some of those websites myself, if you would care to post them. Thanks.

[Jayball]

kenpom.com

Is the one I use most often. There are others but I can't think of them right now.

Now I remember about your Vegas tourney. I don't think you can bash WSU for those two home games if they are part of the tourney. Any of the three second round games are solid. Wins there and at Wyoming would help a resume even without a win over LSU or SU, all though possibly still bubble team. Win one of the LSU or SU games and you probably have a noncon worthy of consideration without too much sweating.

Thats the tough thing for schools like ours. At large chances basically hinge on a few key games each year. CU should have had a few bigger names on the possible schedule with the tourney in Hawaii, but the BCS teams involved initially backed out after the trouney rule was repealed. If I remember correctly Georgia and Michigan were supposed to be in the field also. Now it is a collection of solid teams, but no real juice to it. CU has made its case in the Guardians classic every other year, beating BSC teams (Mizzou, Ohio State, ND). Looks like this years tourney won't provide the same chance for the Jays. Good thing the conference will have more games on ESPN this year.

[outpost]

I'd sure like to see WSU get a chance at that Guardians classic someday.

Not sure why it hasn't happened already......

[Rasputin]

I'd sure like to see WSU get a chance at that Guardians classic someday.

Not sure why it hasn't happened already......

Yeah, that does seem a little strange. How about KU, WSU, Arkansas, and Iowa as potential teams? That pool would draw very well for K.C.

[rjl]

rjl

If you believe you position so strongly, why don't you take the bet?

You can post your hypothetical schedule numbers, but you know that neither teams schedule will look like that. Several websites already calculate overall Strength of Schedule. Why not use theirs and see what happens?

That being said both teams are doing what they think it takes to get an at large. As much as it will be annoying on here, I hope WSU beats LSU and SU. What exempt tournament is WSU playing in this year?

I proposed an bet myself to him, one that he's not taking.

My bet was along the lines of "which team's non-conference schedule will get more respect and publicity come NCAA Tournament selection time?". That's what matters.

The example I gave is pretty indicative of the situation, though not exactly mimicing either team.

While WSU's non-conference schedule stands a good chance of being ranked lower than CU's when the 'overall' is tallied at the end of the year, that doesn't mean CU's is superior. The truth is quite contrary.

Another example would be a team ranked #5 playing teams 1,2,3,4, and 300, or team #5 playing team #50 five times.

While the second would net an average SoS of 50, the first would only be 62.

You'd be a fool to say the second schedule was superior, though.

And the selection committee sees that.

So, why won't I take his bet? Because he'll probably win. But the bet is centered around the one factor in which CU's non-conference schedule may be superior out of many, and it's not the most important factor.

I want to bet on the most important factor.

The most important factors are your schedule's publicity, your schedule's respect, and the selection committee seeing that you had the guts to schedule those statement games.

Sorry, but CU has none of that.

TrueBlueJay knows that, so that's why he ignores the logic and continues with his kitty kitty kitty crap, actually thinking he's convincing people he's won the debate.

Sorry, but he aint got sh t.

[TrueBlueJay]

My bet was along the lines of "which team's non-conference schedule will get more respect and publicity come NCAA Tournament selection time?". That's what matters.


TrueBlueJay knows that, so that's why he ignores the logic and continues with his kitty kitty kitty crap, actually thinking he's convincing people he's won the debate.

Sorry, but he aint got sh t.

You tell me how we measure this - and I'll take the bet. Remember, SPECIFC and MEASURABLE.

[TrueBlueJay]

I proposed an bet myself to him, one that he's not taking.


TrueBlueJay knows that, so that's why he ignores the logic and continues with his kitty kitty kitty crap, actually thinking he's convincing people he's won the debate.

Sorry, but he aint got sh t.

I did win the debate. I offered you a bet and you refused. Period.

LMAO - you are just a punk newbie to the board though. I guess it should be expected.

This is my last post on this. You were offered a very specific and measurable bet - you ignored that and tried to make a subjective bet - which by the way I'll take if you can make is specific and measurable.

You will hear no more from me unless you:
a. Accept my bet - which everyone on the board already knows you refuse to do.
b. Show me another bet that makes any sense at all. Not, my dad is stronger than your dad kind of bet, which is what you have offered.

Ciao Baby - Love Ya

[WuDrWu]

I could actually see it both ways. Obviously, the 251-255 games won't do much to help your team prepare for conference, but the 1-5 games will, and will certainly give you more publicity than the 100-109 games. However, if you end up losing the 1-5 games, and losing them badly, it's not necessarily good publicity (you can argue that there's no such thing as bad publicity). If you manage to stay close in (or win 1-2 of) the 1-5 games, it would help your tourney chances, but if you get beat bad in all 5, or even 3-4 out of 5, they won't mean sh t :innocent:

This was a great explanation by RJL, and you are right on the money DUBulldog. The one point I will add is that if the team lost all the big games (and that would suck and most likely keep them out of the tourney) then they probably weren't good enough to deserve to get in anyway. I'd rather see my team find out how good they are during the season. If they can't compete then they know they have to improve. If they can, then they are going to be in a MUCH better position to actually win games in the NCAAs. This is a far better scenario, to me, than the schedule to win games against mediocre teams and not kill your RPI and if you don't win the MVC tourney hopefully you have done enough to get an at large bid and surprise someone even though your kids will have little to no idea what to expect from the best.

In my book, we don't have to wait and see how this plays out after this year. We have seen the results over several years (and admittedly only 1 year for WSU).

[outpost]

You tell me how we measure this - and I'll take the bet. Remember, SPECIFC and MEASURABLE.

That's only part of the criteria, TBJ.

Specific
Measurable
Attainable (or achievable)
Relevant
Time Limited

Now that's SMART.

[TrueBlueJay]

That's only part of the criteria, TBJ.

Specific
Measurable
Attainable (or achievable)
Relevant
Time Limited

Now that's SMART.

Yeah yeah - I could have added in the entire setting goals section from the management manual - just decided to keep it short and sweet for rjl so he could follow along.

[rjl]

Yeah yeah - I could have added in the entire setting goals section from the management manual - just decided to keep it short and sweet for rjl so he could follow along.

It's nice how you continually feel like you need to treat me as unintelligent when I've done nothing of the sort to you.

(All I've said is that you would be dumb to think WSU will be ranked #38 or 39 or whatever it was in that BS poll you had)

That is the last bastion of the guy who knows he's beat.

The only thing that's worse on Internet forums is the 'newbie' comment, insinuating that since you've been on Valleytalk a whole 3 months longer than me, you're right and I'm wrong. hahaha.... wow.

Has it gotten that desperate for you?

Did you even READ my entire last post? If you did, your kitty kitty bet should have been put to rest.

I addressed your bet, and the factor you wish to bet on.

I want to bet on something that MATTERS True Blue.

I want to bet on who's schedule gets the most pub come selection time.

Pub being mentions on espn.com, cbs sportsline, foxsports.com, or on any of their respective television shows.

It's easy to show publicity, REAL publicity and real respect.

It looks alot like this:

Wichita State added two significant nonconference games; all it took was a bit of patience. The Shockers will play at Syracuse Dec. 2 and will play a three-game, three-year series with LSU, beginning with a game in Baton Rouge, La. The second game is back in Kansas, while the third is on a neutral court, not site, in northern Louisiana.

or this:

No one can question John Brady's scheduling toughness. He isn't shying away from anyone. LSU picked up Wichita State in a home-and-home-neutral series, beginning in Baton Rouge. The Tigers play Texas A&M at home, Texas in Houston, at Oregon State and at Washington, home against Connecticut. "LSU steps up to the plate," Brady said. "But I have a hard time getting teams to come here." Brady was going to play in Chicago against Illinois in an exempted event, but Illinois coach Bruce Weber was under the impression that Brady wanted a return game out of the exempted, neutral site event. To which Brady said, "Tell Bruce I'll play him home-and-home today. I'll go right to his home court and he can come to Baton Rouge." Well, maybe in 2007.

both taken from espn.com

And this is long before the season even STARTS.

How many journalists does it take to write about CU's non conference schedule?

Evidently zero.

And you know that. You know it will be easy to determine who wins my bet, because exactly NO ONE will be writing about CU's non conference schedule come selection time.

And not because it sucks, or even because it's bad. It's not.

It's just ordinary, and no journalist will waste his and the reader's time writing about how Creighton just scheduled and won games it should have won by a decent margin.

That's boring. That doesn't mean anything.

This is the wager on what matters.

[iSASO]

A great explanation indeed:

"Another example would be a team ranked #5 playing teams 1,2,3,4, and 300, or team #5 playing team #50 five times.

While the second would net an average SoS of 50, the first would only be 62.

You'd be a fool to say the second schedule was superior, though.

And the selection committee sees that."

[MoValley John]

A great explanation indeed:

"Another example would be a team ranked #5 playing teams 1,2,3,4, and 300, or team #5 playing team #50 five times.

While the second would net an average SoS of 50, the first would only be 62.

You'd be a fool to say the second schedule was superior, though.

And the selection committee sees that."

So if the team that plays 1,2,3,4 and 300 loses game vs 1 by 42, game vs 2 by 30, game vs 3 by 24 and game vs 4 by 18, then wins by 9 vs team 300, while at the same time the team that played # 50 won 4 of 5, winning by margins of 16,12,10 and 7, while losing one of the games by 4, which is the better team?

Tough call.

[iSASO]

You can 'what-if' this to death and come up with about 64 million different answers. I think the team which wins the conference title over an 18-game schedule and advances to the Sweet 16 is the better team.

Don't you?

[MoValley John]

You can 'what-if' this to death and come up with about 64 million different answers. I think the team which wins the conference title over an 18-game schedule and advances to the Sweet 16 is the better team.

Don't you?

I totally agree, that's why I was what ifing the what if.

Is what ifing a word?

[Fraydog]

Until we play, this is all idle speculation. Funny as hell idle speculation, but idle speculation nonetheless. Right now it looks as if WSU has the highest strength of schedule. However, teams on a schedule can do badly. This is all so fluid that you really can't predict it. Both of your bets are fifty-fifty. So I'd advise you to either hold off the bets, or set up some type of entertaining stipulation that involves St. Louis where we can all see it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :banana: :banana: :bounceblue:

[Aargh]

As more details come out about the Wyoming game, it's a neutral court this year in Casper, WY (about a 3-hour drive from the WU campus) then a home game next year. That makes scheduling Wyoming look better.

WSU is recruiting a 4* 6'8" player from Cheyenne, so there are reasons to play in Wyoming first.

UNM is starting to look better than anticipated. UNM has a 6'8", 255 trfr from Penn St who led the B10 in rebounding and had 12+ ppg and 9.9 rpg his last year at PennSt, including something like 4 20+ rebound games. Couple that with J.R. Giddens (trfr from KU after getting in a bar fight in Lawrence) and UNM could make some noise this year. Hopefully they'll still be working out how to have both players on the same court early in the season.