The Gonzaga Method

[TrueBlueJay]

I'm so sick and tired of hearing how Gonzaga made it into the spotlight by "playing anyone, anywhere". It just is NOT TRUE. Go look at their schedule and tell me that is how they made it - you cannot make the case. Here are their marquee games on the road since 1991.

91-92
@Baylor
@ Southern Cal

92-93
@ Southern Cal

93-94
@ Kansas St.

94-95
@ Wichita St (and the Shox sucked back then)

95-96
Washington - in state team
Washington St. - in state team

96-97
Washington St.

97-98
TOURNAMENT
Tulsa
Miss St.
Clemson

Wash St.
Wash

98-99
@ Kansas
TOURNEY
Memphis
Purdon't

Wash St.
Wash
@TCU - NOTE _ THEY MAKE ELITE 8 THIS YEAR

99-00
Cincinnati in Cleveland - TV DEAL
Temple in Chicago - TV DEAL
TOURNEY in Oakland
Cal
Oregon
Colorado
NO TRUE MARQUEE ROAD GAMES

00-01
@ Illinois
TOURNEY
St. John's
Texas
Marguette
@ St. Joe's
@ New Mexico

02-03
TOURNEY
Utah
Indiana
Kentucky
@ Georgia Dame for Peach Bowl Classic - TV Deal
NC St. in NJ for Jimmy V - TV Deal
TOURNEY - Oakland
Stanford

Someone please show me a play anyone, anywhere mentatilty that lifted Gonzaga into prominence. It just isn't there. AFTER they made a deep run in the tournament they got into some great tournaments and made for TV deals, but that is it.

Please - let the Gonzaga talk DIE. It is just an Urban Legend.

[iSASO]

So then, we should all emulate "The Creighton Model" where you sit on the sidelines making home-and-home demands while pretending you're a team which has made several deep tournament runs?

Being willing to play in a made-for-TV-deal with no return game is something you cannot penalize Gonzaga for. That's taking advantage of your popularity and cashing in. Any coach, no matter the level, would be an absolute fool to pass on those.

[blueblood]

So according to ISASO, Altman is doing it all wrong. Instead, Turgeon's plan of taking 60 grand buyout games with a crap home schedule is the answer. Got it.

[TrueBlueJay]

So then, we should all emulate "The Creighton Model" where you sit on the sidelines making home-and-home demands while pretending you're a team which has made several deep tournament runs?

Being willing to play in a made-for-TV-deal with no return game is something you cannot penalize Gonzaga for. That's taking advantage of your popularity and cashing in. Any coach, no matter the level, would be an absolute fool to pass on those.

You're statements make you look SO foolish. Nowhere did I say Gonzaga shouldn't have taken the TV deals, and I'm sure DA would take them if offered. I applaud Gonzaga for getting those deals.

Notice though, they got the deals AFTER a deep run in the tournament. They do NOT have a play anyone, anywhere attitude, nor have they ever. This is not what promoted them into the spotlight as some have suggested.

Not sure why you tried to turn this into a WSU / Creighton thread again. I was simply posting facts disputing what many have been spouting here for months, even years. It just is NOT true.

When is Turdgeon going to parlay his tourney success into some special TV deals?

[SubGod22]

When are you going to stop being such a bore?

[Rasputin]

I think this debate has been beaten before...Again, I think it comes down to priorities and different philosophies among programs. I am not saying either one is wrong or right.

I am glad Creighton schedules the way they do. As a season ticket holder, I can accept the fact that we might never get a Kansas, Kentucky, or a Duke to EVER come to the Q. However, we do get quality home games every year against tournament-caliber teams. Frankly, I would be furious if I shelled out $$$ to be treated to the likes of Kennesaw St, Maryland Eastern Shore, UMKC, Rockhurst, and Chicago St. Teams like Winthrop, Davidson, and much lower teams on the power-scale go on the road and play BCS teams like Duke, North Carolina, etc as well. What is the difference between them and a supposed mid-major powerhouse like Wichita State going on the road for a one-and-done? It is sending a clear message, IMO.

At least Gonzaga was always smart enough to make sure their sellout games were on TV. :lol:

[TrueBlueJay]

When are you going to stop being such a bore?

Good one. :no:

[iSASO]

I think this debate has been beaten before...Again, I think it comes down to priorities and different philosophies among programs. I am not saying either one is wrong or right.

I am glad Creighton schedules the way they do. As a season ticket holder, I can accept the fact that we might never get a Kansas, Kentucky, or a Duke to EVER come to the Q. However, we do get quality home games every year against tournament-caliber teams. Frankly, I would be furious if I shelled out $$$ to be treated to the likes of Kennesaw St, Maryland Eastern Shore, UMKC, Rockhurst, and Chicago St. :lol:

Yea, I'm mad as h e l l that I'll be subject to an LSU v. WSU game in Koch Arena next year. When will Dana land that one?

[iSASO]

So according to ISASO, Altman is doing it all wrong. Instead, Turgeon's plan of taking 60 grand buyout games with a crap home schedule is the answer. Got it.

No, I didn't say that at all. It was a question. I'm on record as saying that there is no one single way to "get there". It's the pious ones who are saying WSU has ruined the league for all of eternity.

[outpost]

Once again, a few CU posters are

1. letting a bit of schedule envy show through.
2. limiting their perspective of the Shockers scheduling model to the short term.
3. demonstrating their obse.......never mind.

[WSUbballer]

I think this debate has been beaten before...Again, I think it comes down to priorities and different philosophies among programs. I am not saying either one is wrong or right.

I am glad Creighton schedules the way they do. As a season ticket holder, I can accept the fact that we might never get a Kansas, Kentucky, or a Duke to EVER come to the Q. However, we do get quality home games every year against tournament-caliber teams. Frankly, I would be furious if I shelled out $$$ to be treated to the likes of Kennesaw St, Maryland Eastern Shore, UMKC, Rockhurst, and Chicago St. Teams like Winthrop, Davidson, and much lower teams on the power-scale go on the road and play BCS teams like Duke, North Carolina, etc as well. What is the difference between them and a supposed mid-major powerhouse like Wichita State going on the road for a one-and-done? It is sending a clear message, IMO.

At least Gonzaga was always smart enough to make sure their sellout games were on TV. :lol:
Interesting to note that WSU still has more scheduled home games than CU this season. Interesting to note that half of CU's home schedule consists of the likes of Mississippi Valley State and Arkansas-Pine Bluff.
I guess you got scoreboard?
You slam WSU (like always) but feel you have the perfect schedule (like always).
Practice what you preach already...

[Rasputin]

Once again, a few CU posters are

1. letting a bit of schedule envy show through.
2. limiting their perspective of the Shockers scheduling model to the short term.
3. demonstrating their obse.......never mind.

Schedule envy? Are you fricken serious!?!? hahahahaha!!!!

[outpost]

Rasp, I sure wish your momma would adjust your ritalin dosage. You have needed this adjustment for a long time. Your obsessive comments aren't really even worth the bandwidth I'm gonna use to refute you.

Did we really have any control over getting Md.-Eastern Shore and Kennesaw on our schedule? Yes and no.

Yes, because we could've said no.......and denied ourselves the opportunity to play New Mexico and USC/KSU. Sometimes, sacrifices have to be made in order to get these opportunities.

No, because if we turned down this opportunity, Coach Turgeon would probably still be working on the scheduling.

These two games are part of the [4-game] tourney. We didn't have control over any other school's invitation to this little mini-dance - only our own.

I also noted that you didn't even attempt to defend your argument with 'Baller, but simply chose to turn around and baselessly attack me. Typical of your posting behavior.

One last comment, my supposed mid-major powerhouse does in fact have scoreboard over your supposed mid-major powerhouse.

I've always tried to reason with you, but you are just too strung out on the blue koolaid.

[WuDrWu]

Yes, envy. You support an inferior program riding an uptick. Playing Jesuit schools and winning 1 tourney game does not a powerhouse make.

CU=smoke and mirrors. Stop trying to pick on Gonzaga. I'm officially sick of MANY (but not all) CU fans. Go Salukis! Go Bears!

Nebraska fans (and that's what you are) are mostly bandwagon fans. They will support a winner with everything they have. The minute NU basketball gets good (admittedly not on anyone's horizon) or CU falls a bit, it's over for the Jays. The Q will be a graveyard for 3-4k fans or you'll head back to campus with your collective beaks between your legs.

How's that for a little brutal honesty?


:braves: :bulldogs: :redbirds: :bears: :shockers: :valley: :aces: :sycamores: :panthers: :salukis:

[C0|db|00ded]

Once again, a few CU posters are

1. letting a bit of schedule envy show through.
2. limiting their perspective of the Shockers scheduling model to the short term.
3. demonstrating their obse.......never mind.

No question, when CU fans heard that we were playing Michigan State and Illinois last year they were fuming. Now they hear that this year we are playing LSU and Syracuse.. :doh: :lol:

The bottom line is this: nothing is more exciting than watching your team play one of the "bigs". It would be preferable to have Illinois, MSU, and Syracuse come to "one of college basketball's most exciting venues", Koch Arena, but we will have to settle for the Providence's and LSU's of the world! :innocent:

P.S.

Did anybody hear about the Rolling Stones playing in Wichita State's football stadium tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://members.cox.net/econoshox/stones_9-29.jpg

It's a freakin' great day to be a Shocker!


T


...:cool:

[iSASO]

Did Creighton get $75,000 in revenue when the Stones played at the Qwest?

Creighton fans, I'll say it for the third time - there is no one single way to "get there", though I'll say that WSU's way has helped take them to the Sweet Sixteen.

How long has "the Creighton method" been in place and how far has it taken you in the NCAA Tournament?

You haven't even reached page 1 of the Gonzaga Model therefore you'll never even deserve to have a model named after you.

[TrueBlueJay]

Once again, a few CU posters are

1. letting a bit of schedule envy show through.
2. limiting their perspective of the Shockers scheduling model to the short term.
3. demonstrating their obse.......never mind.

Interesting that you would have this perspective when my original post had ZERO to do with WSU, except that you were the Zags marquee home game in season in the 90's when you really had a bad team.

Who's obsessed? LMAO

[TrueBlueJay]

No question, when CU fans heard that we were playing Michigan State and Illinois last year they were fuming. Now they hear that this year we are playing LSU and Syracuse.. :doh: :lol:

The bottom line is this: nothing is more exciting than watching your team play one of the "bigs". It would be preferable to have Illinois, MSU, and Syracuse come to "one of college basketball's most exciting venues", Koch Arena, but we will have to settle for the Providence's and LSU's of the world! :innocent:

P.S.

Did anybody hear about the Rolling Stones playing in Wichita State's football stadium tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://members.cox.net/econoshox/stones_9-29.jpg

It's a freakin' great day to be a Shocker!


T


...:cool:


I wasn't going to bring it up...but...since I'm in advertising I have a unique insight to your Stones concert taking place in Wichita. The promoters have been giving tickets away left and right and have been begging the local advertisers to push the show more in return for free tickets.

Should be a great show though - looks like you will have great weather for it. Enjoy!

[TrueBlueJay]

Yes, envy. You support an inferior program riding an uptick. Playing Jesuit schools and winning 1 tourney game does not a powerhouse make.

CU=smoke and mirrors. Stop trying to pick on Gonzaga. I'm officially sick of MANY (but not all) CU fans. Go Salukis! Go Bears!

Nebraska fans (and that's what you are) are mostly bandwagon fans. They will support a winner with everything they have. The minute NU basketball gets good (admittedly not on anyone's horizon) or CU falls a bit, it's over for the Jays. The Q will be a graveyard for 3-4k fans or you'll head back to campus with your collective beaks between your legs.

How's that for a little brutal honesty?


:braves: :bulldogs: :redbirds: :bears: :shockers: :valley: :aces: :sycamores: :panthers: :salukis:

Why do you think I am picking on Gonzaga? I simply pointed out their schedule. What they have done is something special. Again - I pointed out their great games on their schedule came AFTER their deep run in the tournament - NOT BEFORE. They were also MADE FOR TV games.

It is very curious to see the reaction to my original post. Very curious indeed.

[Rasputin]

I bet if Kansas played at Cessna, they would have sold out in 10 minutes or less! :innocent: It would be wife-beater-wearing rube heaven for that one! Although, not as huge and cultural as the nationally-acclaimed Wichita River Festival.

Enjoy your concert Clod, I am happy for Wichita. I am glad you are slowly, but surely trying to catch up with everybody else in the midwest. The difference is, if the Stones would have played at Rosenblatt instead of the Qwest, it would have easily sold out within the first day (without promotional giveaways). 17,000 in 26 minutes at the Qwest still works as well. :lol:

[WSUbballer]

This is true. That is why we always admire the great neighbors to the north, Nebraska. It's a high-income, skyscraper abundant super-state full of rich proprieters and endless sprawling population centers for hundreds of miles.
Did you know over 95% of the Nebraska landscape is inhabited? built up with 5-story mansions? It is! Did you know that spurling metropolis dubbed "Omaha" can sell 17,000 Rolling Stones tickets in 26 minutes? Oh it has! Isn't that amazing??!! It is our heaven. My, if only our state could be uttered in the same sentence as that glorious heavenly state that starts with the letter "N".

You have finally pulled out my deepest feelings. I envy everything that is Nebraska. It is our nation's hotspot. Ahhh...paradise!

[MSNSaluki]

Did anybody hear about the Rolling Stones playing in Wichita State's football stadium tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://members.cox.net/econoshox/stones_9-29.jpg

It's a freakin' great day to be a Shocker!


T


...:cool:

Congrats, COLD ... Wichita is on par with Missoula, Montana!


www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-09-28-stones_x.htm

[Fraydog]

Well, they need to use the football stadium for something. Better it be the Rolling Stones than just high school football and high school track I guess.

[WuGameClan]

I bet if Kansas played at Cessna, they would have sold out in 10 minutes or less! :innocent: It would be wife-beater-wearing rube heaven for that one! Although, not as huge and cultural as the nationally-acclaimed Wichita River Festival.

Who is Kansas?:dontgetit:

The difference is, if the Stones would have played at Rosenblatt instead of the Qwest, it would have easily sold out within the first day (without promotional giveaways). 17,000 in 26 minutes at the Qwest still works as well. :lol:

Too bad the the Blue Jays mens bball team can't say the same thing!:lol:

[C0|db|00ded]

P.S.S.

Does anybody realize that the Rolling Stones are playing on Wichita State's campus tomorrow??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, and for those silly jealous folk from the "magnificent" state of Nebraska: The concert was 75% sold out nearly 4 weeks ago. Of course they will offer discounts and promos the last week of the show to try and fill her up! The original capacity was set at 42,000, not 37,000. It's a helluva event and a fantastic opportunity for Wichita State University!

if the Stones would have played at Rosenblatt instead of the Qwest, it would have easily sold out within the first day (without promotional giveaways)

This is the first guy I have ever considered adding to the "block list" only because I am so embarrassed for him it's starting to get uncomfortable... :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's going to be a very great day to be a Shocker tomorrow!


T


...:cool:

[Rasputin]

P.S.S.

Does anybody realize that the Rolling Stones are playing on Wichita State's campus tomorrow??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, and for those silly jealous folk from the "magnificent" state of Nebraska: The concert was 75% sold out nearly 4 weeks ago. Of course they will offer discounts and promos the last week of the show to try and fill her up! The original capacity was set at 42,000, not 37,000. It's a helluva event and a fantastic opportunity for Wichita State University!



This is the first guy I have ever considered adding to the "block list" only because I am so embarrassed for him it's starting to get uncomfortable... :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's going to be a very great day to be a Shocker tomorrow!


T


...:cool:


You have enough "problems" of your own to worry about it. :helpsmilie:

[MSNSaluki]

P.S.S.

Does anybody realize that the Rolling Stones are playing on Wichita State's campus tomorrow??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's going to be a very great day to be a Shocker tomorrow!


T


...:cool:

I know COLD probably has me on the ignore list but the Rolling Stones playing on the campus of Wichita State loses it luster when you realize they played at the University of Montana Wednesday.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/televis...8-stones_x.htm

It's a great day to be in the Big Sky!

[outpost]

nm

[outpost]

http://it.stlawu.edu/~rkreuzer/indv5/fri.jpg

Joey, the Valleytalk journeyman photographer was on the spot in Missoula. Here you will see Rasp and a few of his buds reveling in a drunken (spiked koolaid) orgy, right down there on the front row.

It's the reason why he missed out on the MVC Tennis Championships this weekend in Omahahahahah....:doh: :doh:

[Rasputin]

http://it.stlawu.edu/~rkreuzer/indv5/fri.jpg

Joey, the Valleytalk journeyman photographer was on the spot in Missoula. Here you will see Rasp and a few of his buds reveling in a drunken (spiked koolaid) orgy, right down there on the front row.

It's the reason why he missed out on the MVC Tennis Championships this weekend in Omahahahahah....:doh: :doh:

Wow, another obsession for a Shucker fan.

[outpost]

Rasp, even LJ, TBJ, Blueblood, and Jayball have the class to congratulate our school once in awhile for some of its positive accomplishments. You have been a no-show in threads like "Paul Miller to the Knicks"....Shocks add Gilmore......I could go on, but there's a couple.

After 400+ threads, you are no closer to gaining credibility for yourself on this board. Nobody likes you, you have nothing positive to add to discussion here. You are the only thing that I have against Creighton, regardless whether you are an alum, student, or just a casual fan from Omaha.

I have a policy of not putting anyone on my ignore list. You are trying very hard to be the first. But even in that endeavor you are a failure, like most of the other things you tried in life.

And you'll have to live with that.

[C0|db|00ded]

I know COLD probably has me on the ignore list but the Rolling Stones playing on the campus of Wichita State loses it luster when you realize they played at the University of Montana Wednesday.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/televis...8-stones_x.htm

It's a great day to be in the Big Sky!

They also played at Duke university! :original:

Why would I have you on ignore Joey?


T


...:cool:

[MSNSaluki]

They also played at Duke university! :original:

Why would I have you on ignore Joey?


T


...:cool:

We've sparred in the past, but I think we're civil now.
Just had to have some fun with the Montana thing ... my wife went to school there.
What are the Stones doing ... playing a college tour?:valley:

[Rasputin]

Rasp, even LJ, TBJ, Blueblood, and Jayball have the class to congratulate our school once in awhile for some of its positive accomplishments. You have been a no-show in threads like "Paul Miller to the Knicks"....Shocks add Gilmore......I could go on, but there's a couple.

After 400+ threads, you are no closer to gaining credibility for yourself on this board. Nobody likes you, you have nothing positive to add to discussion here. You are the only thing that I have against Creighton, regardless whether you are an alum, student, or just a casual fan from Omaha.

I have a policy of not putting anyone on my ignore list. You are trying very hard to be the first. But you are a failure, like most of the other things you tried in life.

And you'll have to live with that.


Resorting to personal insults now? How predictable.

The fact is, 99% of the reason this site is a virtual cess-pool is because of a few Shocker fans (you know who they are). It is ironic, the only reason I dislike Wichita State is because of their fans. I think it is safe to assume that there are many others who are in the same boat. I root for the Shockers whenever I can, but certain members of your fanbase make it pretty darn difficult sometimes.

I don't care if you like me or not, I won't lose any sleep over it. As much as you want this site to be an extension of ShockerNet, you are going to have to contend with people who don't agree with you.

P.S. - When was the last time one of you guys congratulated US? Just about every CU thread that has ever been started here was eventually hijacked by...:shockers:

[WSUbballer]

Wow, another obsession for a Shucker fan.
We all have excuses for being here on a Saturday night cause we live in cheap entertainment Wichita. What's your excuse?

[iSASO]

We've sparred in the past, but I think we're civil now.
Just had to have some fun with the Montana thing ... my wife went to school there.
What are the Stones doing ... playing a college tour?:valley:

Apparently so, and they're handing out $75,000-dollar bills to the schools who host them. Who is on the $75,000 bill anyway?

[outpost]

Resorting to personal insults now? How predictable.

The fact is, 99% of the reason this site is a virtual cess-pool is because of a few Shocker fans (you know who they are). It is ironic, the only reason I dislike Wichita State is because of their fans. I think it is safe to assume that there are many others who are in the same boat. I root for the Shockers whenever I can, but certain members of your fanbase make it pretty darn difficult sometimes.

I don't care if you like me or not, I won't lose any sleep over it. As much as you want this site to be an extension of ShockerNet, you are going to have to contend with people who don't agree with you.

You are doing an excellent job of holding down that other 1%, all by yourself. But you are still a failure. And that wasn't an insult, it's merely an ironclad part of your bio.

[Rasputin]

We all have excuses for being here on a Saturday night cause we live in cheap entertainment Wichita. What's your excuse?

Because I have two kids and a sick wife. Nice try though.

[iSASO]

Resorting to personal insults now? How predictable.

The fact is, 99% of the reason this site is a virtual cess-pool is because of a few Shocker fans (you know who they are). It is ironic, the only reason I dislike Wichita State is because of their fans. I think it is safe to assume that there are many others who are in the same boat. I root for the Shockers whenever I can, but certain members of your fanbase make it pretty darn difficult sometimes.

I don't care if you like me or not, I won't lose any sleep over it. As much as you want this site to be an extension of ShockerNet, you are going to have to contend with people who don't agree with you.

P.S. - When was the last time one of you guys congratulated US? Just about every CU thread that has ever been started here was eventually hijacked by...:shockers:

Stop whining. We enjoy the fact that you don't like us. We prefer it that way. I'll never beg you to root for WSU. Why are you begging me to root for Creighton? You are heading down the same slippery slope that Dawg_Tired did last season and you witnessed how badly he got burned after the smoke cleared.

BTW, I caught the tail end of the KU - NU game, and you know, I didn't see a single Creighton Basketball t-shirt in the crowd.

[WSUbballer]

Resorting to personal insults now? How predictable.

The fact is, 99% of the reason this site is a virtual cess-pool is because of a few Shocker fans (you know who they are). It is ironic, the only reason I dislike Wichita State is because of their fans. I think it is safe to assume that there are many others who are in the same boat. I root for the Shockers whenever I can, but certain members of your fanbase make it pretty darn difficult sometimes.

I don't care if you like me or not, I won't lose any sleep over it. As much as you want this site to be an extension of ShockerNet, you are going to have to contend with people who don't agree with you.

P.S. - When was the last time one of you guys congratulated US? Just about every CU thread that has ever been started here was eventually hijacked by...:shockers:
That's a pretty sad reason, if that's your only reason you don't like WSU. The fact that there is a disproportional amount of WSU fans on here than any other fans is no fault of anybodys. That simple fact allows for a greater chance of "cess-pool" fans to be from WSU than any other team.

Ironically, you and a few other CU fans make it hard for me to root for anything CU. Go figure...it works both ways.
Have you ever congratuated anything WSU (in a non-joking way of course)?

[Rasputin]

You are doing an excellent job of holding down that other 1%, all by yourself. But you are still a failure. And that wasn't an insult, it's merely an ironclad part of your bio.

Yup, I am a failure. Lets compare resumes sometime, I bet you will be quick to change your opinion.

[WSUbballer]

Because I have two kids and a sick wife. Nice try though.
I figure, if that is the situation you are in, you would be a more understanding and humble person than you come out being.
I feel sorry for your sick wife.

[outpost]

I wish Rasp's kids would set the parental controls a little higher on his PC. No, not for their protection.......for Rasp's.......

Son of Rasp, are you out there? Pry your daddy's hands off that keyboard and send him to bed. And don't let him have any more of your koolaid!!

[Rasputin]

That's a pretty sad reason, if that's you're only reason you don't like WSU. The fact that is a disproportional amount of WSU fans on here than any other fans is no fault of anybodys. That simple fact allows for a greater chance of "cess-pool" fans to be from WSU than any other team.

Ironically, you and a few other CU fans make it hard for me to root for anything CU. Go figure...it works both ways.
Have you ever congratuated anything WSU (in a non-joking way of course)?

Agreed, it works both ways. However, the mystery remains as to why a mutual truce can never be had. I am all for it.

[iSASO]

Kum-bah-ya...

[outpost]

Agreed, it works both ways. However, the mystery remains as to why a mutual truce can never be had. I am all for it.

It's an even bigger mystery as to why you continue to come back to this cesspool......

Just borrowing your term, rasp.

[Rasputin]

Kum-bah-ya...

Seriously. If I agree to reel it in a little and if somehow you guys can get Clod and rjl to do the same (good luck), VT might actually be a somewhat civil place.

[iSASO]

Seriously. Let's share a Coke and a Smile. Let's teach the world to sing in three-part harmony.

[outpost]

Seriously. If I agree to reel it in a little and if somehow you guys can get Clod and rjl to do the same (good luck), VT might actually be a somewhat civil place.

There, there. In order to solve the problem, you have to admit that there is a problem to begin with.

Very good self-effacement, rasp. Very good.

There, I said something positive about you. And all of us "cess-poolers" helped you admit that you are a part of the problem. This was fun.

Now for step 2 in the process. Carry on.

[Rasputin]

There, there. In order to solve the problem, you have to admit that there is a problem to begin with.

Very good self-effacement, rasp. Very good.

There, I said something positive about you. And all of us "cess-poolers" helped you admit that you are a part of the problem. This was fun.

Now for step 2 in the process. Carry on.

I guess that is a no? :no:

Oh well, let the games continue...

[iSASO]

I feel it coming. Rasp will slip in a moment of weakness borne of frustration and will give us a jewel much like Dawg_Tired did last season after he lost his composure.

[outpost]

I doubt that anyone will need to grab a Snickers while waiting for that moment, ISASO.

[WSUbballer]

I guess that is a no? :no:

Oh well, let the games continue...
I don't think anyone can answer for cold and rjl, save for maybe themselves. As probably misunderstood by many, just because we're ALL Shocker fans doesn't mean we ALL think alike. It's a misconception that probably needs to come to an end.

[Rasputin]

I don't think anyone can answer for cold and rjl, save for maybe themselves. As probably misunderstood by many, just because we're ALL Shocker fans doesn't mean we ALL think alike. It's a misconception that probably needs to come to an end.

:yes:

Too bad there are those who would rather just continue provoking and fighting.

[outpost]

.......and drinking and posting, and flinging unwarranted sarcasm, and continuing with an all-summer-long obses......never mind.

[brokeback shocker]

The schedule in the first post is not complete.

I know they played at Mizzou and Ok State in OKC in the last couple of years.

[iSASO]

brokeback, it's just easier to let them think they're right, so let it go. They feel the great need to be right about something once in a while. It's our mission to ensure that they have an occasional self-esteem boost, even if we have to lie to them.

[TrueBlueJay]

The schedule in the first post is not complete.

I know they played at Mizzou and Ok State in OKC in the last couple of years.

You are correct. I was just trying to show how Gonzaga went from an after thought to pretty much a house hold name in the world of college hoops - so I stopped at 2002 or 03.

The single fact remains that Gonzaga got to where they are by winning big in the NCAA tournament, not by becoming "road warriors". They have a good gig going now.

[brokeback shocker]

So you admit you are a liar?

[DaShox]

However, the mystery remains as to why a mutual truce can never be had. I am all for it.

Because you and others enjoy watching the paradmedics load the dead bodies from the intersection into the ambulance. As much as you revile WSU, you can't stop yourself. We've done this experiment many times, and the fact is when WSU fans leave the board for a week, you (and others) predictably suffer from withdrawl and get the Shocker DT's.

You guys can't handle one week without us, if Shocker fans left VT for a season you would go insane. You need your fix. And to feed your WSU addiction, you incite some inane topic and lamely attempt to blame it on WSU fans.

[MSNSaluki]

http://it.stlawu.edu/~rkreuzer/indv5/fri.jpg

Joey, the Valleytalk journeyman photographer was on the spot in Missoula. Here you will see Rasp and a few of his buds reveling in a drunken (spiked koolaid) orgy, right down there on the front row.

It's the reason why he missed out on the MVC Tennis Championships this weekend in Omahahahahah....:doh: :doh:


Hilarious!
I can say this: If you've never had the chance to visit Missoula, Montana, do it. It's a beautiful place (outside of all the guys with long beards ...:lol: ) and you can satisfy most of your vices pretty easily.

[TrueBlueJay]

So you admit you are a liar?

you really are a brokeback - LMAO

if you can point out where i lied - i'll admit to it. Until then you should just stick with your cowboy friend.

[iSASO]

Yes, lying is not the same as slicing and dicing the facts.

[TrueBlueJay]

Yes, lying is not the same as slicing and dicing the facts.

You're the king - you should know so I'll concede to your knowledge of this.

[outpost]

Hilarious!
I can say this: If you've never had the chance to visit Missoula, Montana, do it. It's a beautiful place (outside of all the guys with long beards ...:lol: ) and you can satisfy most of your vices pretty easily.

Joey, I've been to Missoula a time or two. As a matter of fact, from the age of 2 through 10, I rode in the back of an Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser from Wichita to Waterton Lakes, Canada....... and know Western Montana like the back of my hand. I took my own family as far as Yellowstone back in 1996.

Great memories!!

[MSNSaluki]

Joey, I've been to Missoula a time or two. As a matter of fact, from the age of 2 through 10, I rode in the back of an Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser from Wichita to Waterton Lakes, Canada....... and know Western Montana like the back of my hand. I took my own family as far as Yellowstone back in 1996.

Great memories!!

Wow, those must have been some trips!
My wife is going back in two weeks for homecoming because she's on some alumni board and I'm a little jealous.
You probably know more about Western Montana than I do, then ... I know of one great golf course (the Old Works in Annaconda ... a Nicklaus design), several great bars in Missoula and a couple of places you can get into a juicy backroom poker game.:lol:
That's all I need!

[outpost]

Joey, Let's go!

I can handle the bars, the golf courses......not so good at the poker. I might find a couple of good hikes.

I remember a particular 3-4 hike to Bertha Lake in Alberta province. I whined and complained and never made it up there as a kid. I went back with my parents in 1982 (halfway through my college days) and that's the first thing I wanted to do. I practically raced up the trail, and my parents were the ones doing the complaining this time.

Can't believe we're getting away with this on the VT TrashTalk board.

[MSNSaluki]

Joey, Let's go!

I can handle the bars, the golf courses......not so good at the poker. I might find a couple of good hikes.

I remember a particular 3-4 hike to Bertha Lake in Alberta province. I whined and complained and never made it up there as a kid. I went back with my parents in 1982 (halfway through my college days) and that's the first thing I wanted to do. I practically raced up the trail, and my parents were the ones doing the complaining this time.

Can't believe we're getting away with this on the VT TrashTalk board.


I'm in!
Actually, it's better than the other drivel that could be on here today ...

[SubGod22]

Joey sucks :chair:

Only because it's the Smack Talk board

[outpost]

I'm in!
Actually, it's better than the other drivel that could be on here today ...

Hey it's the sabbath, right?

[MoValley John]

Hey it's the sabbath, right?

Actually, the sabbath runs from sunset on Friday through sunset on Saturday; the early Christians celebrated the sabbath according to Jewish custom and then celebrated their Christian beliefs on Sunday. Ask any Messianic Jew.

[MSNSaluki]

Joey sucks :chair:

Only because it's the Smack Talk board

And Outpost gets a free pass?
See, this is the kind of stuff you Wichita guys pull ... just joking!:yes: We were wondering when we were going to get busted for talking summer trips to Montana.

[Aargh]

Congrats, COLD ... Wichita is on par with Missoula, Montana!


www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-09-28-stones_x.htm

And Omaha isn't.

The good folks in Missoula are in for for the experience of a lifetime. The spectacle of a major stadium show is more than impressive.

In addition to Cessna Stadium in Wichita and Grizzly Stadium in Missoula this tour includes Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, Soldier Field in Chicago. It kicked off at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro. Wichita got and Missoula gets an absolute state-of-the-art outdoor stadium show.

There's a huge difference between what can be done outdoors and what can be done indoors. Songs are the same. Sound is better outside (no bounceback from walls the sound guy has to work around). It's hard to put a 92' high stage that is wider than a football field inside anything other than a domed football stadium. It's impossible to use the fireworks effects and fire effects (the heat from the fire effects could be felt 100 yards away from the stage) inside any indoor structure.

You can't have part of the stage on hydraulics and lift it up 10' then run it out to the 50-yard line, drop it back down and have a bunch of songs played there in any indoor facility other than a domed football stadium. And do all that while the band is cooking on the movable portion of the stage while it's moving.

I was at the Stones concert. It was maybe 75 - 78 degrees with about a 10 mph wind blowing.

Wichita and Missoula both get an unbelievable stadium show at the level generally only seen in 70K+ stadiums. Omaha got an indoor gig. The songs were the same. That's about it for what was the same.

[iSASO]

The concert was quite the spectacle, definitely scaled to fit the largest of venues. Everyone was joking that the stage might be in jeopardy with the wind that was blowing, but once you stepped into the stadium you could tell the superstructure would be just fine. It truly was wider than the football field.

We were near the top and could easily feel the heat from the massive flames from the top of the backdrop. How cool would have been to be one of the people who got view the concert from within the backdrop?

[outpost]

And Outpost gets a free pass?
See, this is the kind of stuff you Wichita guys pull ... just joking!:yes: We were wondering when we were going to get busted for talking summer trips to Montana.

Naaah......I'm not privileged, Joey. I had to spend a lot of time defending WSU's honor on here Saturday night.

[MSNSaluki]

And Omaha isn't.

The good folks in Missoula are in for for the experience of a lifetime. The spectacle of a major stadium show is more than impressive.

In addition to Cessna Stadium in Wichita and Grizzly Stadium in Missoula this tour includes Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, Soldier Field in Chicago. It kicked off at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro. Wichita got and Missoula gets an absolute state-of-the-art outdoor stadium show.

There's a huge difference between what can be done outdoors and what can be done indoors. Songs are the same. Sound is better outside (no bounceback from walls the sound guy has to work around). It's hard to put a 92' high stage that is wider than a football field inside anything other than a domed football stadium. It's impossible to use the fireworks effects and fire effects (the heat from the fire effects could be felt 100 yards away from the stage) inside any indoor structure.

You can't have part of the stage on hydraulics and lift it up 10' then run it out to the 50-yard line, drop it back down and have a bunch of songs played there in any indoor facility other than a domed football stadium. And do all that while the band is cooking on the movable portion of the stage while it's moving.

I was at the Stones concert. It was maybe 75 - 78 degrees with about a 10 mph wind blowing.

Wichita and Missoula both get an unbelievable stadium show at the level generally only seen in 70K+ stadiums. Omaha got an indoor gig. The songs were the same. That's about it for what was the same.

It was a joke!:doh:
Hope you guys enjoyed the show.
SIU used to be big on the concert circuit but not anymore.

[DaShox]

Awesome show. Maybe the only time I ever felt Cessna Stadium sway back and forth.

http://www.kansas.com/images/kansas/kansas/15656/245113888912.jpg
A decorated car with Oklahoma tags in a WSU parking lot.

http://www.kansas.com/images/kansas/kansas/15656/245121529040.jpg

http://www.kansas.com/images/kansas/kansas/15656/245121591664.jpg

http://www.kansas.com/images/kansas/kansas/15656/245119243264.jpg

[Ictjay]

Mick had everyone confused last night after singing a few bars of the "Wichita Lineman" instead of referencing Shocker B-Ball.

[Rasputin]

Are you guys gonna post topics about every concert Wichita gets? Jeez. Too bad it didn't occur to me to do likewise for our Paul McCartney, U2, Aerosmith, Green Day, Rolling Stones, Blue Man Group, Black Eyed Peas, Sheryl Crow, Neil Diamond, Coldplay, The Who, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Eric Clapton, Van Halen, Bon Jovi, etc concerts (and these were just within the past YEAR). I am sure that would have been well received. :innocent:

Ahhh, but, I get it...These concerts weren't on Creighton's campus (just a couple blocks away). I will remember that logic once Wichita's new arena is built and Clod is on here bragging about whatever concert you happen to land first (Kansas maybe?).

[Rasputin]

Congrats though, it did look like a nice concert. The Stones are senior citizens, but they still know how to put on a show, no doubt.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Awesome show. Maybe the only time I ever felt Cessna Stadium sway back and forth.

http://www.kansas.com/images/kansas/kansas/15656/245113888912.jpg
A decorated car with Oklahoma tags in a WSU parking lot.

http://www.kansas.com/images/kansas/kansas/15656/245121529040.jpg


Three thoughts:

1. I hope the women in the second picture were not the best looking women in attendence.....

2. ( and perhaps more importantly) I hope the woman in white and the bespectacled women next to her didn't feel the need to flash the band. Yuck!

3. Are we sure that the woman in white isn't a Wichita Lineman?

[shockball]

Keith Richards makes Gene Simmons look good. He took a puff in between verses.

It is a fabulous production. If you get a chance go see it.

[WSUbballer]

Are you guys gonna post topics about every concert Wichita gets? Jeez. Too bad it didn't occur to me to do likewise for our Paul McCartney, U2, Aerosmith, Green Day, Rolling Stones, Blue Man Group, Black Eyed Peas, Sheryl Crow, Neil Diamond, Coldplay, The Who, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Eric Clapton, Van Halen, Bon Jovi, etc concerts (and these were just within the past YEAR). I am sure that would have been well received. :innocent:

Ahhh, but, I get it...These concerts weren't on Creighton's campus (just a couple blocks away). I will remember that logic once Wichita's new arena is built and Clod is on here bragging about whatever concert you happen to land first (Kansas maybe?).
Can you give me a list on how many acts your great city received before the glorious Qwest was built? I can guarantee you these bands aren't coming to you just because it's in Omaha, Nebraska. They're coming to get their $$$ because you have a venue that seats 17,000. Once the downtown arena opens, it'll happen in Wichita as well.

[Ictjay]

I saw a tubby Elvis P. there.

[Rasputin]

Can you give me a list on how many acts your great city received before the glorious Qwest was built? I can guarantee you these bands aren't coming to you just because it's in Omaha, Nebraska. They're coming to get their $$$ because you have a venue that seats 17,000. Once the downtown arena opens, it'll happen in Wichita as well.

A lot of cities have arenas, that doesn't mean you will draw big-name concerts and sell them out. You also can't say that if you were to build a 17,000-seat arena in Liberal, KS that it would be successful. The new Wichita arena is going to struggle, mark my words (and i'm sure Clod will). You are building it too small, you are playing catchup with everybody else, and you will be competing against larger venues in larger markets (Kansas City, Omaha, and Oklahoma City, specifically). Des Moines is a similar market to Wichita and Wells Fargo has not delivered on it's promise. It has landed some nice concerts, but nowhere near what the Qwest has landed nor what was hyped to the citizens of DSM. It is a simple case of proximity-oversaturation. Most of these concert tours will pick the larger venue in the larger city, most of the time. I am sure once the Sprint Center opens, they will probably steal some of the Qwest's thunder.

2005 Pollstar Top Ticket Selling Arenas in the World:

1. Manchester Evening News Arena, Manchester, England

2. St. Pete Times Forum, Tampa, FL

3. HP Pavilion at San Jose, San Jose, CA

4. Bell Centre, Montreal, Quebec

5. Sydney SuperDome, Sydney, Australia

6. Continental Airlines Arena, East Rutherford, NJ

7. Madison Square Garden Arena, New York, NY

8. Qwest Center Omaha, Omaha, NE

9. America West Arena, Phoenix, AZ

10. NEC Arena, Birmingham, England

The Qwest Center was ranked #17 in the world in 2004.

We are obviously doing something right.

[shockball]

I think DUBulldog has mentioned a couple of times that the Wells Fargo Arena is cash flowing, making money, and exceeding projections.

[Rasputin]

I think DUBulldog has mentioned a couple of times that the Wells Fargo Arena is cash flowing, making money, and exceeding projections.

Wells Fargo struggles in its infancy

By KYLE MUNSON
REGISTER STAFF WRITER


The Iowa Events Center's signature 17,000-seat arena is struggling in its early months to attract big events, run them smoothly and meet budget projections, leading to a change in top management.

Global Spectrum, the private firm hired by Polk County to manage the Events Center, sacked three managers Wednesday, four months after the venue opened. The company wants more income from the Wells Fargo Arena, despite recent capacity crowds for Paul McCartney, Bon Jovi and Mannheim Steamroller.

Reports filed with the county show that Global Spectrum's share from the arena was $166,000 less than projected through October, and attendance at arena events was about 34,000 below expectations . Global Spectrum assumed the financial risk of the arena in its contract with the county.

"Wells Fargo Arena's a bottom-line thing," Andy Long, the outgoing general manager, said Thursday. "Global Spectrum has a responsibility for the bottom line. . . . Numbers can always be better. The question was, how much more can I push myself to make sure that it's doing everything that it's supposed to be doing?"

John Page, Global Spectrum's chief operating officer, who flew to Des Moines from the company's Philadelphia headquarters to deliver the news to employees, said, "We do have high expectations."

Page said Global Spectrum's goal is to turn Des Moines into a "must-play" city for concert tours and other major events.

Currently, nearby Omaha is more of a must-play, with U2 and the Rolling Stones stopping at Qwest Center there, but not in Des Moines, in the weeks ahead. The Dave Matthews Band played Minneapolis and Omaha last weekend.

Word of the Events Center's management shake-up rippled through the concert industry.

"It's kind of shocking," said Don Sullivan, a talent buyer with Chicago-based concert promoter Jam Productions who brought Tom Petty and Green Day to the arena this year. Neither show was a sellout, a disappointment in the case of Green Day, one of today's hottest arena tickets.

In addition to sluggish attendance at some shows, technical snafus tripped up the sale of Bon Jovi tickets. There were logistical problems with shepherding crowds into the arena in a timely manner at a couple of concerts. A power surge in November knocked out a compressor at the arena, leading to melting hockey ice and a suspended game.

Holly Kjeldgaard , the Events Center's assistant general manager, became interim general manager on Wednesday.

Page said staffers from Kansas City's Kemper Arena, also managed by Global Spectrum, have been called in to smooth the transition. A new general manager could be in place as soon as next week, pending approval of the Polk County Board of Supervisors.

Long said one of the challenges he faced was his staff's culture shift from a "county work environment to a private work environment" and "the whole different mindset from the county-managed style to how aggressive we get on the marketing and sales end and the deals you cut."

County employees

County workers ran Veterans Memorial Auditorium, which became part of the Iowa Events Center along with the new Wells Fargo Arena and the Hy-Vee Hall convention facility.

"The staff down there are killing themselves," Long said.

Long, who had worked at arenas in other cities, characterized his exit as the result of a "mutual conversation" with Page, and a renewed desire for the sort of family time he hasn't had since he was hired in June 2004.

"About a month and a half ago, I realized I didn't know where my (4-year-old) son goes to preschool," said Long, a Melbourne, Ia., native who hasn't planned his next career move.

The two other managers who were fired Tuesday didn't characterize their departures as mutual decisions.

Ed Larsen, who started working at the auditorium in 1974, was the Events Center director of operations and managed 25 full-time employees. He said he had been lobbying unsuccessfully to fill two open positions.

"We were understaffed, as far as I was concerned," Larsen said. "Andy was doing the best he could. I think he knew we needed more. He tried to follow the company line as long as he could."

Joy Giudicessi , former manager of event services who worked hand-in-hand with event promoters, echoed Larsen's concerns.

"Those of us that were in the business of delivering events, Ed's and my division, were quite accustomed to working 70 to 90 hours a week," she said. "If that's being understaffed, I'll let you be the judge of that."

Page responded: "We're not understaffed at all. There are different ways you can achieve and maximize your full-time staff, with part-time, sporadic support for events, temporary staffing companies."

Culture clash?

Larsen and Giudicessi previously were county employees, along with several other Events Center managers who have resigned or been fired in recent months. Page downplayed any notion of a culture clash between veteran county employees and his firm.

"A lot of these people had an opportunity to stay with the county," Page said. "They chose to come over to the private management. . . . We need to be able to have people who are progressive and innovative."

Supervisor E.J. Giovannetti said it's still too early to evaluate Wells Fargo Arena's performance despite the managerial housecleaning. Supervisor Tom Hockensmith says he's "really happy" with events so far.

"Just from a general standpoint, there's a difference between the public sector and the private sector," Hockensmith said. "I think that Global Spectrum, with this new facility there was a big culture change with the pace. It's a real fast-paced organization."'..

[MSNSaluki]

Uh, oh ... Rasputin is on a roll! He quickly shoots down two statements from Wichita.

Can't wait for the Wichita replies.

You guys are definitely entertaining!:valley: :salukis: :shockers: :jays:

[WSUbballer]

First off, would it make sense for Liberal, KS to build a 17,000 seat arena?

Secondly, I agree our arena is being built too small. We have the biggest idiots in the world managing the building of our arena.

However, you did manage to dodge my point somewhat.

What was Omaha's venue for big name events before the Qwest? The 9,000 seat Civic? How many big name acts a year did Omaha receive before 2002 when the Qwest opened? Wichita, right now, is in a similar situation that Omaha was in before your immaculate building was opened, minus a few people. Like I mentioned earlier, they aren't coming to Omaha because of its earth-shadowing ambiance; they're coming because there is a large enough venue to support its concerts so it can make maximum $$$. If Wichita, or any other city, were to sell-out events, then the same would happen for it too. I wouldn't be surprised to see both cities harbor similar acts and tours once Wichita opens its arena. That is all.

[WSUbballer]

Uh, oh ... Rasputin is on a roll! He quickly shoots down two statements from Wichita.

Can't wait for the Wichita replies.

You guys are definitely entertaining!:valley: :salukis: :shockers: :jays:

It's a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it. What are friends for, joey?:grin:

[MSNSaluki]

It's a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it. What are friends for, joey?:grin:

I appreciate it!
You guys make my work days fly right by!:yes:

[Rasputin]

First off, would it make sense for Liberal, KS to build a 17,000 seat arena?

Secondly, I agree our arena is being built too small. We have the biggest idiots in the world managing the building of our arena.

However, you did manage to dodge my point somewhat.

What was Omaha's venue for big name events before the Qwest? The 9,000 seat Civic? How many big name acts a year did Omaha receive before 2002 when the Qwest opened? Wichita, right now, is in a similar situation that Omaha was in before your immaculate building was opened, minus a few people. Like I mentioned earlier, they aren't coming to Omaha because of its earth-shadowing ambiance; they're coming because there is a large enough venue to support its concerts so it can make maximum $$$. If Wichita, or any other city, were to sell-out events, then the same would happen for it too. I wouldn't be surprised to see both cities harbor similar acts and tours once Wichita opens its arena. That is all.

No, it wouldn't make sense for Liberal to build such a venue, thats the point. I was under the impression that you were implying that all you need is a large arena and you can get anything, thus the reason for the Qwest's success. My point was, there are dozens of similar venues in similarly-sized cities (Grand Rapids, Birmingham, Louisville, Richmond, Oklahoma City, Salt Lake City, etc, etc) and the Qwest has been more successful than any of them. Not bad for a city in Nebraska (which has nothing to do with anything). Top concert tours go where there are people, $$$, and a first-class venue.

As for the Civic, I honestly don't know how successful it was as a concert venue (I am a relatively new Omaha transplant). Obviously, an arena that holds 10,000 for concerts is not going to draw the A-list of tours. Maybe another Omahan could answer that question more accurately. I do know that Elvis, The Rolling Stones, and Billy Joel played the Civic at one time, but I don't know much more than that.

[Rasputin]

You guys are definitely entertaining!

It's not quite as entertaining as sparring with Clod, rjl, or MKR, but at least this is a civil discussion! :original:

[WSUbballer]

No, it wouldn't make sense for Liberal to build such a venue, thats the point. I was under the impression that you were implying that all you need is a large arena and you can get anything, thus the reason for the Qwest's success. My point was, there are dozens of similar venues in similarly-sized cities (Grand Rapids, Birmingham, Louisville, Richmond, Oklahoma City, Salt Lake City, etc, etc) and the Qwest has been more successful than any of them. Not bad for a city in Nebraska (which has nothing to do with anything). Top concert tours go where there are people, $$$, and a first-class venue.

As for the Civic, I honestly don't know how successful it was as a concert venue (I am a relatively new Omaha transplant). Obviously, an arena that holds 10,000 for concerts is not going to draw the A-list of tours. Maybe another Omahan could answer that question more accurately.
Fair enough. I applaud Omaha for its interest and pursuit of top-notch concerts. As a sidenote, Wichita's arena isn't necessarily gonna be a pile of bricks. Claims have been made that it too will be a "first-class facility", slightly smaller of course. If Wichita supports this facility and finds the interests of these other high-end concerteers, then it too will find it where Omaha is, maybe not on quite the grand scale, but similarly.

So, my whole point is don't knock on some place that resembled your place 5 years ago. It's almost hypocritcal to some degree. I agree a few choice posters go over the top in their randitions of Wichita, but Omaha was in similar shoes not even half a decade ago.
(Believe it or not, up until 2002, Wichita had a bigger indoor concert venue than Omaha. That should make the Ripley's website. Absolutely amazing!)

[rjl]

It's nice to see that many are beginning to see the same Rasputin I've enjoyed for the last month or so... a little box that say's "Rasputin is on your ignore list."

Of course, that doesn't stop him from trying to run my name through the muck like a tattle-taleing junior high brat.

He adds nothing to anything.

Ever notice how when a thread focuses on basketball, Rasputin's nowhere to be found until the topic swerves into trashtalk? That's because he lacks the knowledge to augment the discussion. He probably thinks the "triangle offense" refers to someone who's adverse to geometry.

A post by Rasputin in any thread is a sure sign it's going downhill. There has never been a thread with his name in it that remained civil. His inferiority complex won't let it. He can't even avoid threads that dare him to avoid them. It's in his being.

Sure, some could possibly try to say the same about me. But I will say that I have never initated the downfall of a thread.

Here's what normally happens. In this thread (http://www.valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=2062), a DoubleJayAlum jumped all over me about this statement I made:

Assuming he has SIU and CU close by, which almost every other preseason poll had the top 4 Valley teams grouped similarly, they might not crack the top 25.

It, and my "what the heck?" response have already been thankfully deleted by a moderator. Only a fan with a desire to argue would jump all over the above comment.

If someone posts something I think is false, I'm quick to correct it. If someone posts a stupid accusation or insult, I'm quick to respond. I have a very low BS tolerance, and I'm cocky as all hell. So what. I still stand behing every word I've ever posted here, unless I've already retracted them or declared otherwise.

If Rasputin honestly stands behind all the words he's ever posted, he's a lower being than previously thought.

[Rasputin]

Fair enough. I applaud Omaha for its interest and pursuit of top-notch concerts. As a sidenote, Wichita's arena isn't necessarily gonna be a pile of bricks. Claims have been made that it too will be a "first-class facility", slightly smaller of course. If Wichita supports this facility and finds the interests of these other high-end concerteers, then it too will find it where Omaha is, maybe not on quite the grand scale, but similarly.

So, my whole point is don't knock on some place that resembled your place 5 years ago. It's almost hypocritcal to some degree. I agree a few choice posters go over the top in their randitions of Wichita, but Omaha was in similar shoes not even half a decade ago.
(Believe it or not, up until 2002, Wichita had a bigger indoor concert venue than Omaha. That should make the Ripley's website. Absolutely amazing!)

I have no doubt that Wichita WILL get events with this new arena, obviously. Again, the question is proximity-oversaturation. How will neighboring arenas effect Wichita's ability to land top-notch events on a consistant basis. You will have a geographical cluster of arenas (Qwest Center, Sprint Center, Wells Fargo, Alltel Arena, Ford Center, Tulsa's new arena), how will this effect the ability of Wichita to compete? I think that is a very legitimate question. Hopefully there will be enough events to go around for everybody.

[C0|db|00ded]

I wasn't going to bring it up...but...since I'm in advertising I have a unique insight to your Stones concert taking place in Wichita. The promoters have been giving tickets away left and right and have been begging the local advertisers to push the show more in return for free tickets.

Should be a great show though - looks like you will have great weather for it. Enjoy!

I'm terribly sorry to disappoint you TBJ but the concert was a resounding success! :banana: :bounceblue: :clap:


T


...:cool:

[Rasputin]

It's nice to see that many are beginning to see the same Rasputin I've enjoyed for the last month or so... a little box that say's "Rasputin is on your ignore list."

Of course, that doesn't stop him from trying to run my name through the muck like a tattle-taleing junior high brat.

He adds nothing to anything.

Ever notice how when a thread focuses on basketball, Rasputin's nowhere to be found until the topic swerves into trashtalk? That's because he lacks the knowledge to augment the discussion. He probably thinks the "triangle offense" refers to someone who's adverse to geometry.

A post by Rasputin in any thread is a sure sign it's going downhill. There has never been a thread with his name in it that remained civil. His inferiority complex won't let it. He can't even avoid threads that dare him to avoid them. It's in his being.

Sure, some could possibly try to say the same about me. But I will say that I have never initated the downfall of a thread.

Here's what normally happens. In this thread (http://www.valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=2062), a DoubleJayAlum jumped all over me about this statement I made:



It, and my "what the heck?" response have already been thankfully deleted by a moderator. Only a fan with a desire to argue would jump all over the above comment.

If someone posts something I think is false, I'm quick to correct it. If someone posts a stupid accusation or insult, I'm quick to respond. I have a very low BS tolerance, and I'm cocky as all hell. So what. I still stand behing every word I've ever posted here, unless I've already retracted them or declared otherwise.

If Rasputin honestly stands behind all the words he's ever posted, he's a lower being than previously thought.


:fear:

You are also an angry, hypocritical little man that practices exactly what you pretend to despise. You are lower than Clod, IMO. At least Clod doesn't resort to personal attacks and is somewhat amusing, some of the time.

[C0|db|00ded]

I hope everybody's doubts as to who really has the insecurity problem have been put to rest.

1) Someone posts a statement as to how incredible the packed concert of 35k+ was last night. (The biggest major concert any Midwestern city in the surrounding area has ever held).

2) The "ill one" responds immediately with a laundry list of concerts his city has hosted since their new arena has been built. Of course none had attendance beyond the 16,000 (on average) fan capacity. Earlier she was so distraught over the massive numbers that would be attending at Cessna she had to throw in her "expert opinion" that if the concert was held at Rosenblatt, it would have sold out faster, better, blah blah blah than Wichita. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I personally think it's funny watching 'Spew ebb slowly closer to his capitulation/melt-down point.

It was a great night to be a Wichitan/Shocker!


T


...:cool:

[Rasputin]

I hope everybody's doubts as to who really has the insecurity problem have been put to rest.

1) Someone posts a statement as to how incredible the packed concert of 35k+ was last night. (The biggest major concert any Midwestern city in the surrounding area has ever held).

2) The "ill one" responds immediately with a laundry list of concerts his city has hosted since their new arena has been built. Of course none had attendance beyond the 16,000 (on average) fan capacity. Earlier she was so distraught over the massive numbers that would be attending at Cessna she had to throw in her "expert opinion" that if the concert was held at Rosenblatt, it would have sold out faster, better, blah blah blah than Wichita. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I personally think it's funny watching 'Spew ebb slowly closer to his capitulation/melt-down point.

It was a great night to be a Wichitan/Shocker!


T


...:cool:

Actually, Clod, that was only one year's worth of concerts. Nice try, thanks for playing, you're misguided, outmatched, and wrong as usual. :naughty:

Here's to you, Clod! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: - By adding funny emoticons, I have added credibility and facts to my post!

[C0|db|00ded]

Actually, Clod, that was only one year's worth of concerts. Nice try, thanks for playing, you're misguided, outmatched, and wrong as usual. :naughty:

Here's to you, Clod! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: - By adding funny emoticons, I have added credibility and facts to my post!

You're all right with me 'Spew, but you are kind of obsessed with Wichita. Admit it! :innocent: :lol:


T


...:cool:

[Rasputin]

You're all right with me 'Spew, but you are kind of obsessed with Wichita. Admit it! :innocent: :lol:


T


...:cool:

Nah, i'm just a confrontationist. All the juicy stuff on here just happens to involve CU-WSU, Wichita-Omaha. I am an equal-opportunity debater. :grin:

[shockball]

Wells Fargo struggles in its infancy

By KYLE MUNSON
REGISTER STAFF WRITER


The Iowa Events Center's signature 17,000-seat arena is struggling in its early months to attract big events, run them smoothly and meet budget projections, leading to a change in top management.

Global Spectrum, the private firm hired by Polk County to manage the Events Center, sacked three managers Wednesday, four months after the venue opened. The company wants more income from the Wells Fargo Arena, despite recent capacity crowds for Paul McCartney, Bon Jovi and Mannheim Steamroller.

Reports filed with the county show that Global Spectrum's share from the arena was $166,000 less than projected through October, and attendance at arena events was about 34,000 below expectations . Global Spectrum assumed the financial risk of the arena in its contract with the county.
pace. ..

Are their more current figures? No date on the article. October 2005 was quite awhile agol

[Coachtrey]

I know COLD probably has me on the ignore list but the Rolling Stones playing on the campus of Wichita State loses it luster when you realize they played at the University of Montana Wednesday.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/televis...8-stones_x.htm

It's a great day to be in the Big Sky!

People from the midwest taking jabs at Montana? Have any of you ever been to missoula? You can actually swim in the rivers there. you dont go fishing with a can of worms and a bobber. the children dont sled down the exit ramps to the interstate( i witnessed this in wichita). Even their athletic programs rival any in the valley, how many vally,gateway schools have won a 1-aa championship and a game in the ncaa tournament in the last 5 years? Not to mention ther are alot of hippies, which i believe to be better than all the hicks in the midwest.:fear:

[MSNSaluki]

People from the midwest taking jabs at Montana? Have any of you ever been to missoula? You can actually swim in the rivers there. you dont go fishing with a can of worms and a bobber. the children dont sled down the exit ramps to the interstate( i witnessed this in wichita). Even their athletic programs rival any in the valley, how many vally,gateway schools have won a 1-aa championship and a game in the ncaa tournament in the last 5 years? Not to mention ther are alot of hippies, which i believe to be better than all the hicks in the midwest.:fear:

Coach ... take off your hood and glasses and relax.
If you read all the posts you'll see myself and a couple of others (Outpost) absolutely love Montana. It's a cool place. Me and Outpost would rather be in Missoula right now instead of on the Valley Talk Smack Board.
It was a joke intended for COLD. It was all in fun.
Some of us are having fun here!:valley: :shockers: :salukis: :jays:

[Coachtrey]

Coach ... take off your hood and glasses and relax.
If you read all the posts you'll see myself and a couple of others (Outpost) absolutely love Montana. It's a cool place. Me and Outpost would rather be in Missoula right now instead of on the Valley Talk Smack Board.
It was a joke intended for COLD. It was all in fun.
Some of us are having fun here!:valley: :shockers: :salukis: :jays:


I know just wanted to talk some trash on the midwest.:fear:

[MSNSaluki]

I know just wanted to talk some trash on the midwest.:fear:

Let 'er rip, then!:original:
That sledding down the interstate ramps must have been a sight to see.

[outpost]

Careful Trey.....I recently noticed that Montana State took a one and done football game at Colorado.

Doing that will get you in trouble in this neighborhood.

[DUBulldog]

Des Moines is a similar market to Wichita and Wells Fargo has not delivered on it's promise. It has landed some nice concerts, but nowhere near what the Qwest has landed nor what was hyped to the citizens of DSM.

Wells-Fargo Arena has been open for a little more than a year....during it's first, WFA turned a larger-than-projected profit. How is that not delivering on its promise?

BTW, here's Pollstar's most recent numbers....I see Des Moines' 2800 seat Civic Center, but I don't see any Omaha theaters?

By AMANDA PIERRE
REGISTER STAFF WRITER

August 8, 2006

"The Lion King," a Whoopi Goldberg speaking engagement and a sold-out Michael Buble concert helped the Civic Center of Greater Des Moines earn worldwide recognition for ticket sales in the first half of 2006.

The weekly entertainment magazine Pollstar ranked the center No. 11 in ticket sales in the world for the first six months of the year.

The Civic Center sold 150,923 tickets between January and June, placing it ahead of New York's Radio City Music Hall, the Orpheum Theatre in Minneapolis and the Fabulous Fox in St. Louis.

"This is a good gauge of how much business we're doing," said Jeff Chelesvig, Civic Center director.

Pollstar bases its rankings on reports turned in by participating theaters. The Civic Center reported to Pollstar the number of tickets sold for Broadway shows, popular concerts and comedians, and other special events.

"I'm not going to tell you that it's a definitive ranking that takes into account every show that went into these buildings," said Gary Bongiovanni, Pollstar magazine's editor in chief. "But in a city the size of Des Moines, the ability to sell more than 100,000 tickets (in the allotted time), that's impressive."

The Civic Center, which seats about 2,500, has made the quarterly cumulative rankings before, previously reaching the top 20 at the end of 2003.

Pollstar magazine has been reporting its rankings for about five years.



Top venues for ticket sales

The top venues for ticket sales, according to Pollstar magazine:

1. The Colosseum At Caesars Palace (Las Vegas, Nev.): 413,758
2. Fox Theatre (Atlanta): 348,285
3. Benedum Center (Pittsburgh): 220,146
4. Playhouse Square Center (Cleveland): 209,615
5. Wharton Center for the Performing Arts (East Lansing, Mich.): 186,075
6. Gibson Amphitheater at University City Walk (University City, Calif.):
182,372
7. Temple Hoyne Buell Theatre (Denver, Colo.): 169,768
8. Nokia Theatre at Grand Prairie (Grand Prairie, Texas): 164,470
9. Heineken Music Hall (Amsterdam, Netherlands): 159,656
10. Broward Center Au-Rene Theater (Fort Lauderdale, Fla.): 153,612
11. Civic Center of Greater Des Moines (Des Moines): 150,923
12. Radio City Music Hall (New York, N.Y.): 142,838
13. Ruth Eckerd Hall (Clearwater, Fla.): 141,231
14. Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center (Tampa, Fla.): 140,369
15. Dodge Theatre (Phoenix): 99,938

[DUBulldog]

That article is ancient history...... Here's a more recent link (http://www.kcci.com/entertainment/9515507/detail.html)
Wells Fargo struggles in its infancy

By KYLE MUNSON
REGISTER STAFF WRITER


The Iowa Events Center's signature 17,000-seat arena is struggling in its early months to attract big events, run them smoothly and meet budget projections, leading to a change in top management.

Global Spectrum, the private firm hired by Polk County to manage the Events Center, sacked three managers Wednesday, four months after the venue opened. The company wants more income from the Wells Fargo Arena, despite recent capacity crowds for Paul McCartney, Bon Jovi and Mannheim Steamroller.

Reports filed with the county show that Global Spectrum's share from the arena was $166,000 less than projected through October, and attendance at arena events was about 34,000 below expectations . Global Spectrum assumed the financial risk of the arena in its contract with the county.

"Wells Fargo Arena's a bottom-line thing," Andy Long, the outgoing general manager, said Thursday. "Global Spectrum has a responsibility for the bottom line. . . . Numbers can always be better. The question was, how much more can I push myself to make sure that it's doing everything that it's supposed to be doing?"

John Page, Global Spectrum's chief operating officer, who flew to Des Moines from the company's Philadelphia headquarters to deliver the news to employees, said, "We do have high expectations."

Page said Global Spectrum's goal is to turn Des Moines into a "must-play" city for concert tours and other major events.

Currently, nearby Omaha is more of a must-play, with U2 and the Rolling Stones stopping at Qwest Center there, but not in Des Moines, in the weeks ahead. The Dave Matthews Band played Minneapolis and Omaha last weekend.

Word of the Events Center's management shake-up rippled through the concert industry.

"It's kind of shocking," said Don Sullivan, a talent buyer with Chicago-based concert promoter Jam Productions who brought Tom Petty and Green Day to the arena this year. Neither show was a sellout, a disappointment in the case of Green Day, one of today's hottest arena tickets.

In addition to sluggish attendance at some shows, technical snafus tripped up the sale of Bon Jovi tickets. There were logistical problems with shepherding crowds into the arena in a timely manner at a couple of concerts. A power surge in November knocked out a compressor at the arena, leading to melting hockey ice and a suspended game.

Holly Kjeldgaard , the Events Center's assistant general manager, became interim general manager on Wednesday.

Page said staffers from Kansas City's Kemper Arena, also managed by Global Spectrum, have been called in to smooth the transition. A new general manager could be in place as soon as next week, pending approval of the Polk County Board of Supervisors.

Long said one of the challenges he faced was his staff's culture shift from a "county work environment to a private work environment" and "the whole different mindset from the county-managed style to how aggressive we get on the marketing and sales end and the deals you cut."

County employees

County workers ran Veterans Memorial Auditorium, which became part of the Iowa Events Center along with the new Wells Fargo Arena and the Hy-Vee Hall convention facility.

"The staff down there are killing themselves," Long said.

Long, who had worked at arenas in other cities, characterized his exit as the result of a "mutual conversation" with Page, and a renewed desire for the sort of family time he hasn't had since he was hired in June 2004.

"About a month and a half ago, I realized I didn't know where my (4-year-old) son goes to preschool," said Long, a Melbourne, Ia., native who hasn't planned his next career move.

The two other managers who were fired Tuesday didn't characterize their departures as mutual decisions.

Ed Larsen, who started working at the auditorium in 1974, was the Events Center director of operations and managed 25 full-time employees. He said he had been lobbying unsuccessfully to fill two open positions.

"We were understaffed, as far as I was concerned," Larsen said. "Andy was doing the best he could. I think he knew we needed more. He tried to follow the company line as long as he could."

Joy Giudicessi , former manager of event services who worked hand-in-hand with event promoters, echoed Larsen's concerns.

"Those of us that were in the business of delivering events, Ed's and my division, were quite accustomed to working 70 to 90 hours a week," she said. "If that's being understaffed, I'll let you be the judge of that."

Page responded: "We're not understaffed at all. There are different ways you can achieve and maximize your full-time staff, with part-time, sporadic support for events, temporary staffing companies."

Culture clash?

Larsen and Giudicessi previously were county employees, along with several other Events Center managers who have resigned or been fired in recent months. Page downplayed any notion of a culture clash between veteran county employees and his firm.

"A lot of these people had an opportunity to stay with the county," Page said. "They chose to come over to the private management. . . . We need to be able to have people who are progressive and innovative."

Supervisor E.J. Giovannetti said it's still too early to evaluate Wells Fargo Arena's performance despite the managerial housecleaning. Supervisor Tom Hockensmith says he's "really happy" with events so far.

"Just from a general standpoint, there's a difference between the public sector and the private sector," Hockensmith said. "I think that Global Spectrum, with this new facility there was a big culture change with the pace. It's a real fast-paced organization."'..

[outpost]

Wells-Fargo Arena has been open for a little more than a year....during it's first, WFA turned a larger-than-projected profit. How is that not delivering on its promise?

BTW, here's Pollstar's most recent numbers....I see Des Moines' 2800 seat Civic Center, but I don't see any Omaha theaters?

Easy DUB. Rasp likes to confront. He admitted it above.
What he doesn't like to do is confront with facts. He proved it above.

I sure hope his better half gets well soon, I think he's coming down with whatever she (?) has.

[DUBulldog]

Easy DUB. Rasp likes to confront. He admitted it above.
What he doesn't like to do is confront with facts. He proved it above.

I sure hope his better half gets well soon, I think he's coming down with whatever she (?) has.

I got no problem with Rasputin....and I agree with him about potential oversaturation of the midwest market.....but, just had to disagree with his thought that WFA hasn't met expectations. There have been more "name" concerts in Des Moines in the last 12 months than in the previous 12 years.

[Rasputin]

Easy DUB. Rasp likes to confront. He admitted it above.
What he doesn't like to do is confront with facts. He proved it above.

I sure hope his better half gets well soon, I think he's coming down with whatever she (?) has.

Hey, I was just posting what I found in the Des Moines Register. Whether or not you believe what they print is factual is up to you. WFA may very well be doing better now, but I couldn't find any information that would prove that.

Outpost - I always provide facts, figures, or links to whatever information I find for a debate. However, there are some who choose not to believe them out of bias. Just because you don't like what something says, doesn't make the information any less credible. It is obvious I could provide all the facts in the world for proof of anything, but the simple fact that it's me that posts the information seems to unvalidate it in your (and others') eyes...

BTW, I was not making a slam attempt at Des Moines. I was merely using it as a comparison. I apologize to DUB if it came across that way. Since Des Moines and Wichita are demographically similar, it is a potentially good comparison of what Wichita could expect with it's new arena.

[BearsCountry]

Not a knock on Omaha or Des Moines or Wichita, but when the Sprint Center opens in KC alot of concerts will choose just to go to KC instead of going to one of those. More people would travel from those areas to KC than vice versa. Plus with AEG running the show in KC, they will get a ton of them.

[Rasputin]

Not a knock on Omaha or Des Moines or Wichita, but when the Sprint Center opens in KC alot of concerts will choose just to go to KC instead of going to one of those. More people would travel from those areas to KC than vice versa. Plus with AEG running the show in KC, they will get a ton of them.

I agree. This is one of the reasons why the city of Omaha expanded the Qwest Center so early. They probably won't openly admit it, but I guarantee the Sprint Center was very influencial in the decision. It will be interesting to see...Like I said earlier, I hope there is enough to go around for everybody.

[DaShox]

Just because you don't like what something says, doesn't make the information any less credible. It is obvious I could provide all the facts in the world for proof of anything, but the simple fact that it's me that posts the information seems to unvalidate it in your (and others') eyes....


Now, where have I heard those exact words? Hmmm...oh yeah....it was during the last four years of the EADA reporting. And the WSU baseball profit and....

Hello Pot? This is kettle.

[WSUfan]

Not a knock on Omaha or Des Moines or Wichita, but when the Sprint Center opens in KC alot of concerts will choose just to go to KC instead of going to one of those. More people would travel from those areas to KC than vice versa. Plus with AEG running the show in KC, they will get a ton of them.

You might be correct but I won't be one of those going to KC for a concert or show. If I want to travel for a show, I have better options than KC or OKC or Omaha or Denver ...

[Coachtrey]

Careful Trey.....I recently noticed that Montana State took a one and done football game at Colorado.

Doing that will get you in trouble in this neighborhood.


Then the next week they did the opposite and bought out division 2 chadron state, which they lost.:fear:

[DoubleJayAlum]

Sure, some could possibly try to say the same about me. But I will say that I have never initated the downfall of a thread.

Here's what normally happens. In this thread (http://www.valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=2062), a DoubleJayAlum jumped all over me about this statement I made:



It, and my "what the heck?" response have already been thankfully deleted by a moderator. Only a fan with a desire to argue would jump all over the above comment.

If someone posts something I think is false, I'm quick to correct it. If someone posts a stupid accusation or insult, I'm quick to respond. I have a very low BS tolerance, and I'm cocky as all hell. So what. I still stand behing every word I've ever posted here, unless I've already retracted them or declared otherwise.


You are nothing more than a ****-stirrer who can't stand any other Valley team geeting more recognition than your WSU. The point that I was trying to make, and that was reiterated by some SIU fans (like SIUCubfan) is as follows (quoting SIUCubfan):

or maybe he has them both in the top 25 hence not undervalued. How about we just see where he puts them.

You were upset that the CHN guy had WSU ranked so low and therefore claimed he had very little credibility. You then suggested that he will rank all MVC schools together, therefore undervaluing the conference as a whole. Some of us only wanted to wait and see before calling this guy out.

Your statement that you have never caused a thread's downfall is laughable and untrue. Your ****-stirring is what causes the CU fans to respond with such vim and vigor.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Wells-Fargo Arena has been open for a little more than a year....during it's first, WFA turned a larger-than-projected profit. How is that not delivering on its promise?

BTW, here's Pollstar's most recent numbers....I see Des Moines' 2800 seat Civic Center, but I don't see any Omaha theaters?

FWIW DUBulldof, The Lion King is coming to Omaha (my 4 year old daughter made sure I was aware of this news:helpsmilie: I can't stand these type of shows, but I suspect I may be going though to make my little darling's day). I suspect it will be at the Orpheum theatre as opposed ot the Qwest, as that is where the Broadway-type shows tend to go. If not there, then the new Holland Center for the performing arts, which was just completed last year, would probably serve as host.

I suspect Omaha failed to make that list because the Holland Center opened in the midle of the year, hence shows were split among two facilities for the year instead of having eveything at one.

[DUBulldog]

FWIW DUBulldof, The Lion King is coming to Omaha (my 4 year old daughter made sure I was aware of this news:helpsmilie: I can't stand these type of shows, but I suspect I may be going though to make my little darling's day).

I took my kids to see the movie when they were younger. I thought the plot-line was stupid/simplistic and the music awful. So, like a dumb@$$, I went to the stage production with my fiancee. Same stupid plotline, same crap music.....but it cost me a whole lot more $$$$$ this time. :banghead:

I don't suppose it would be possible to talk your 4 year old out of it.

[Dawg_tired]

The Des Moines Civic Center has invested a lot of money in Broadway. It contributes annually to new productions and has been able to move ahead of many larger cities including Omaha and Kansas City for these shows. I personally liked the Lion King. It's a big production that your daughter will love.

[rjl]

You are nothing more than a ****-stirrer who can't stand any other Valley team geeting more recognition than your WSU. The point that I was trying to make, and that was reiterated by some SIU fans (like SIUCubfan) is as follows (quoting SIUCubfan):



You were upset that the CHN guy had WSU ranked so low and therefore claimed he had very little credibility. You then suggested that he will rank all MVC schools together, therefore undervaluing the conference as a whole. Some of us only wanted to wait and see before calling this guy out.

Your statement that you have never caused a thread's downfall is laughable and untrue. Your ****-stirring is what causes the CU fans to respond with such vim and vigor.
Wait.

Who's the stirrer? Who was the stirrer in that thread? Who jumped all over a non-confrontational comment I made in that thread with a response just dripping in confrontation?

You've got to be fricken kidding me.

If you're going to be confrontational (and it's obvious you are), at least have the balls to admit it.

Reading your and Rasputin's posts is like being ******** with stupid.

[Rasputin]

Wait.

Who's the stirrer? Who was the stirrer in that thread? Who jumped all over a non-confrontational comment I made in that thread with a response just dripping in confrontation?

You've got to be fricken kidding me.

If you're going to be confrontational (and it's obvious you are), at least have the balls to admit it.

Reading your and Rasputin's posts is like being ******** with stupid.
:doh: :lol:

:crybaby: Wanna hanky?

[DUBulldog]

The Des Moines Civic Center has invested a lot of money in Broadway. It contributes annually to new productions and has been able to move ahead of many larger cities including Omaha and Kansas City for these shows. I personally liked the Lion King. It's a big production that your daughter will love.

The production was very good, and the costumes/sets were amazing at times. Still doesn't matter if the story and music don't interest you. It was definitely better than Mama Mia :original:

[DoubleJayAlum]

Reading your and Rasputin's posts is like being bukkaked with stupid.

I thought you had Ras on ignore? Just can't help but peek at his posts anyway though, can you?

[DoubleJayAlum]

I don't suppose it would be possible to talk your 4 year old out of it.

Probably not; she's begging already. :lol: ..with puppy-dog eyes in their full glory. I suspect daddy's gonna cave :banghead:

[DUBulldog]

Probably not; she's begging already. :lol: ..with puppy-dog eyes in their full glory. I suspect daddy's gonna cave :banghead:

I've got an 18 year old daughter....she still knows how to play the old man with those puppy dog eyes. And...the things they want just get more and more expensive as they get older. :yes:

[DoubleJayAlum]

I've got an 18 year old daughter....she still knows how to play the old man with those puppy dog eyes. And...the things they want just get more and more expensive as they get older. :yes:

I don't even want to think about the teenage years; they scare the holy hell out of me. I'm working on a special formula to keep her at about her current age. I figure if I can perfect it, I can successfully market it to every single father in the land and become a rich, rich man. :banana:

[Rasputin]

I took my kids to see the movie when they were younger. I thought the plot-line was stupid/simplistic and the music awful. So, like a dumb@$$, I went to the stage production with my fiancee. Same stupid plotline, same crap music.....but it cost me a whole lot more $$$$$ this time. :banghead:

I don't suppose it would be possible to talk your 4 year old out of it.

Yeah, unfortunately, I am stuck taking my daughters to the Lion King (sigh). It's bad enough that my wife drags me to every freakin Broadway musical that comes to town...But, I suppose I would rather see Rent, Phantom, or Chicago than the Lion King. :original:

[DUBulldog]

It's bad enough that my wife drags me to every freakin Broadway musical that comes to town...

My fiancee has season tickets to the Civic Center, and goes to every musical that comes to town....fortunately, she hasn't forced me to go to anything yet....I go to the ones that I want to go to. This season, that means only Spamalot. I gotta hope that this won't change once we're married.

[MSNSaluki]

My fiancee has season tickets to the Civic Center, and goes to every musical that comes to town....fortunately, she hasn't forced me to go to anything yet....I go to the ones that I want to go to. This season, that means only Spamalot. I gotta hope that this won't change once we're married.

Hey, if Outpost and I are gonna get busted for talking about the virtues of Montana on the Smack Board, this musical/Broadway/Lion King crap has to end.
Now.:original:

[C0|db|00ded]

From Wichita to Broadway

Wichita theater gives actors a head start on a career under the lights

Aida was one of five musicals that Music Theatre of Wichita staged during the 2005 season for its 10,000 season ticket holders. Many of the nation’s hottest young stage actors bypass New York City to spend their summers at Music Theatre of Wichita – a nonprofit arts organization with a knack for launching tomorrow’s Broadway stars.


“Some of the kids have told us that the word is out there that the quickest way to get to Broadway after college is to stop off in Wichita for a summer,” says Wayne Bryan, artistic director of MTW for the past 18 years. “That’s amazing to me, but it seems to be true.”


The theater has a solid reputation in artistic circles across the country for its Broadway-quality musicals, with alumni including Tony Award winner Kristin Chenoweth and Tony Award nominee Kelli O’Hara.


In fact, many musicals on Broadway have actors with ties to MTW, and the theater was one of the first licensed by Disney to produce Beauty and the Beast in 2004. Since then, Wichita-created sets, props and costumes have been seen throughout the country, with bookings lined up well into 2007.


Receiving the Disney seal of approval means the theater may have access to popular shows faster than it would otherwise – including 2005’s production of Elton John and Tim Rice’s Aida.


“When companies are trying to recruit top-of-the-line personnel here, they bring them to one of our productions to show that there’s a sophisticated arts environment in Wichita,” Bryan adds.


The theater is the largest subscribed nonprofit arts organization in Kansas, with 10,000 season ticket holders packing the 2,100-seat house for 10 weeks during the summer.


Founded in 1972, MTW produces five Broadway-scale musicals each season while simultaneously conducting a training program to help young people prepare for professional careers.


About 4,000 résumés pour in each year, and more than 800 artists audition or interview for onstage and backstage summer jobs – but only about 250 make the cut.


Those artists work hand in hand with Broadway and Hollywood professionals, who often end up hiring the young actors after the season ends.


Actors aren’t the only ones who benefit from MTW’s success, however. The theater funnels 60 to 70 percent of its $2 million budget into the Wichita economy, and it contributes more than $100,000 in sales tax to the county and state each year.


“We house a lot of artists here for the summer,” Bryan says, “and the downtown restaurants tell us they know when it’s a musical theater night because they’re packed.”

Story by Rebecca Denton
Photo by Antony Boshier


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I've been to a few of these shows. They really do a good job and it's an enjoyable experience. I didn't reallize it was THAT good though. Shows how little I know about this.