SIU at Illinois State

[cpacmel]

Should be a good one.

Both teams will check in with top 10 rankings.

Weather is forcasted to be 65/46.

Ticket sales are going very well.

[skinny_uncle]

This could be a big swing game in deciding who wins the conference.

[redbirdtim]

I will say this. If we want to up-end the Salukis, we will have to bring our A game. They will be the toughest team we've played this year (yes, even tougher than K-State imo). They have a great RB, a solid QB, and coaches/players with a lot of playoff experience. They know how to win.

As for the Birds, we tend to defend the run a lot better than the pass. However, Whitlock will be a handful for us. We have to get on him and make him work for every yard. We also have to have a healthy Laurent Robinson. Rembert is a workhorse who will get his 120-150 a game on the ground, but he needs some help from LRob and Pierre Jackson. Those guys each have the potential to go for 100+ and 2 TDs on the receiving end.

The Salukis will have the revenge factor on their side. Playing the higher ranked team on their homecoming. We won't be #1 but we may be as high as #3 in some polls.

Would be nice to have 16,000+ screaming Redbird fans to welcome the Salukis to Hancock. How many SIU fans should we expect...500? 750? 1,000?

[Phantom]

2 big in-state rivals, and both nationally ranked teams fighting at the top of the GFC should definately make for a great game, and great atmosphere. There will be a huge crowd for this one and it will be plenty loud. I cant wait.

Whitlock will definately be a challenge to contain. This is gonna be a tough game in every aspect. We will definately have to play better defensively than we did tonight @ WKU thats for sure. Also, Robinson re-injured his ankle in the 1st qtr tonight and didnt return. He will not be 100% for the SIU game, and probably will not be healthy at all for the rest of the season. As much as we'd like to have Robinson be a major factor, with this nagging ankle injury I dont think we can count on that to happen. Right now Drone and Rembert are carrying our offense and will need to continue to do so.

[REALBird]

ISU wins this one BIG! I'm not worried about Whitlock. We handled him last year, we should be able to do it again this year at HOME no doubt. Nick Hill will have to pass the ball more than the 12 times he did against WIU, because we're going to stack the box and force him to beat us with his arm.
Most of his passes last year came in mop up duty against second and third stringers, so his stats weren't truly reflective of what he could do against our first team. Heck Samubrsky had a decent game last year, but even he couldn't help them pull it out.

Thus far from what I see.....this kids no Sambursky.

I'm just wondering if we can hang 70 on them this year.

:redbirds:

[skinny_uncle]

ISU wins this one BIG! I'm not worried about Whitlock. We handled him last year, we should be able to do it again this year at HOME no doubt. Nick Hill will have to pass the ball more than the 12 times he did against WIU, because we're going to stack the box and force him to beat us with his arm.
Most of his passes last year came in mop up duty against second and third stringers, so his stats weren't truly reflective of what he could do against our first team. Heck Samubrsky had a decent game last year, but even he couldn't help them pull it out.

Thus far from what I see.....this kids no Sambursky.

I'm just wondering if we can hang 70 on them this year.

:redbirds:
Get real.
No 2 teams combined have hung 70 on the Dawgs this year. The most they have given up in a game was 28 against Indiana. Forcing Hill to pass is not a great plan even if it was achievable. He leads the league in passing efficiency when he does throw. He is the only starting QB in the league without an INT. Stopping WHitlock? Not without the use of illegal weapons. He hung 216 yards and 3 TDs on WIU yesterday. He is just hitting his stride.
:salukis:

[skinny_uncle]

The Salukis have only given up 71 points total in 5 games this year. The idea that Ill State might hang 70 on them is preposterous.

[redbirdtim]

Sorry Real, but I don't think we will be hanging 70 on them. The only team I could see that happening for us in this tough Gateway is Indiana St-especially since we hung 70 on them last year.

My thoughts are this game will have about 60-70 points combined. If we can get on the board first and get the crowd into it, we could grab the upperhand. If our defense comes out and lays an egg and our workhorse Rembert doesn't run like he normally does, we could have trouble.

[Phantom]

No way in hell we hang 70 on them, even if Robinson were healthy, which he will not be for this game (or probably for the rest of the season). Id love to see it, dont get me wrong :lol: but its not gonna happen.

Tim makes a good point about scoring early to get the crowd into it. The stadium will be rockin and totally electrified for this one, but some early momentum will definately help us. With both us and SIU winning yesterday, this game just got alot bigger. Combine that with the fact that its our homecoming, and a game between 2 bitter in-state rivals....this atmosphere is gonna be awesome.

[REALBird]

Well 70 might be a stretch, but I'll take 63 just the same. As for Whitlock being Super"friggin"man, you've played Lock Haven, Indiana State, Western Illinois, and Indiana. The only game I'll give you props on is Indiana because they're D-1A, but hell you beat them when their coach was out having brain surgery. I don't care how good a team is, their coach having brain surgery is going to have a mental effect on their preparation.

Whitlock can be stopped, or at worst contained. Or do I need to print the box score from last year's game for you to review? Sambursky was passing at damn near 100% into the second quarter, and you still didn't get any closer than a TD before we put the dawg to sleep!

This week you pups find out you're not as good as advertised. As for Hill, the proof will be in his performance. I'm not sold, wasn't after watching the game against WIU, and don't think that will change after this week.

[redbirdtim]

I agree that I would love to put up 60+ on the Salukis, and I'm sure they'd love to put 60 up on us. I think you'll see both teams come out grinding with their stud backs and try and control the clock early. I think there are a few factors that either team needs on their side to win.

1) Good kick-off/punt returns. One missed tackle or one great seam can change the whole game if a team can take one to the house. Also, this can set a team up with great field position.
2) A healthy Laurent Robinson really gives ISU an advantage in the receiving game. The only thing that has stopped Laurent is his ankle. No team has defended him that well. With how Pierre Jackson is playing, this could really open up the Salukis defense if they key too much on Rembert. If Laurent is not healthy, the Salukis can stack the box more easily.
3) The crowd. Can ISU score early and get the house rocking. Can SIU score early and take the crowd out of it. Also, what kind of crowd will SIU bring? If I were SIU, I'm getting a few fan busses and bringing the cheer squad to try and get a nice pocket of fans there. If SIU is backed up to the student section goal line, that could become one noisy atmosphere.
4) Hang-over from last week. No, I don't mean the fans from tailgating. Both teams played very competitive games and were battling with two tough teams. How will this affect each team?

[DawgFan]

SIU will have a thousand fans there. They brought several hundred in the dark ages (Watson, Quarless), so expect SIU to take over the visiting team side. Should be a heckuva game. Youngstown is good this year, but I think Illinois State is the team to beat in the league. SIU is awful young and talented on D and steady as she goes on offense.

Nick Hill is a winner and the real deal, but road conference games in season one don't necessarily make happy experiences. Hoping to pull the upset.

[skinny_uncle]

Well 70 might be a stretch, but I'll take 63 just the same. As for Whitlock being Super"friggin"man, you've played Lock Haven, Indiana State, Western Illinois, and Indiana. The only game I'll give you props on is Indiana because they're D-1A, but hell you beat them when their coach was out having brain surgery. I don't care how good a team is, their coach having brain surgery is going to have a mental effect on their preparation.

Whitlock can be stopped, or at worst contained. Or do I need to print the box score from last year's game for you to review? Sambursky was passing at damn near 100% into the second quarter, and you still didn't get any closer than a TD before we put the dawg to sleep!

This week you pups find out you're not as good as advertised. As for Hill, the proof will be in his performance. I'm not sold, wasn't after watching the game against WIU, and don't think that will change after this week.
Glad you aren't sold on Hill. He leads the league in passing efficiency and has 5 rushing TDs to go with it. He hasn't thrown an INT since high school(he had one his senior year). He doesn't have gaudy passing yardage numbers, but SIU is mainly a running team. What exactly does it take to impress you?

[skinny_uncle]

I agree that I would love to put up 60+ on the Salukis, and I'm sure they'd love to put 60 up on us. I think you'll see both teams come out grinding with their stud backs and try and control the clock early. I think there are a few factors that either team needs on their side to win.

1) Good kick-off/punt returns. One missed tackle or one great seam can change the whole game if a team can take one to the house. Also, this can set a team up with great field position.
2) A healthy Laurent Robinson really gives ISU an advantage in the receiving game. The only thing that has stopped Laurent is his ankle. No team has defended him that well. With how Pierre Jackson is playing, this could really open up the Salukis defense if they key too much on Rembert. If Laurent is not healthy, the Salukis can stack the box more easily.
3) The crowd. Can ISU score early and get the house rocking. Can SIU score early and take the crowd out of it. Also, what kind of crowd will SIU bring? If I were SIU, I'm getting a few fan busses and bringing the cheer squad to try and get a nice pocket of fans there. If SIU is backed up to the student section goal line, that could become one noisy atmosphere.
4) Hang-over from last week. No, I don't mean the fans from tailgating. Both teams played very competitive games and were battling with two tough teams. How will this affect each team?
kickoff returns:
KICKOFF RETURNS G Ret Yds TD Avg
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1. Northern Iowa....... 5 16 416 1 26.0
2. Southern Illinois... 5 14 315 0 22.5
3. Western Kentucky.... 5 22 474 0 21.5
4. Missouri State...... 6 20 391 0 19.5
5. Youngstown State.... 6 19 361 0 19.0
6. Illinois State...... 5 18 313 0 17.4
7. Indiana State....... 6 42 715 0 17.0
8. Western Illinois.... 6 15 224 0 14.9

On punt returns SIU averages 9.8 yds and Ill State 8.2.

[Phantom]

2) A healthy Laurent Robinson really gives ISU an advantage in the receiving game. The only thing that has stopped Laurent is his ankle. No team has defended him that well. With how Pierre Jackson is playing, this could really open up the Salukis defense if they key too much on Rembert. If Laurent is not healthy, the Salukis can stack the box more easily.


No team has defended him well because, when healthy, Laurent cannot be covered :original: . He's an exceptional route-runner with good speed, good size, can take a hit, and can out-jump about anybody. He would definately get a shot to play on Sunday's if he has another strong season, but with this nagging ankle injury, his playing time is being severely lessened and thats not helping matters. He might play vs. SIU but he will not be 100% (if he goes at all), and likely wont be 100% until after the season is over and hes had time to heal.

The silver lining to L-Rob being banged up is that we have an excellent supporting cast at WR. Pierre Jackson, Jason Horton, Dan Passarelli, Warren McCarty, and rookie Jake Rourke have all been stepping up and they give Drone alot of capable targets out there.

Glad you aren't sold on Hill

I think hes a damn good QB who will only get better as time progresses. Hes put up the numbers, and no doubt with the way hes produced along with Whitlock's efforts, SIU has some big guns on offense. This will be a major test for our defense, especially after the way WKU carved us up for 465 yards last night :puke:. That being said, the SIU offense hasnt played against a defense with our speed yet this season. The Whitlock vs. Campbell/Stewart/Siskowic battles should be a good one. Every way you look at it, this is a monumental game between 2 excellent teams.

SIU will have a thousand fans there. They brought several hundred in the dark ages (Watson, Quarless), so expect SIU to take over the visiting team side. Should be a heckuva game

'Dawg fans always travel well to Normal in just about all sports. As long as the weather holds out, the walkup crowd should push this one to well over a sellout. Im sure it will be SRO again for the ISU students, and word was they were bringing in alot of portable seats for the overflow. In any event, its gonna be a huge, wild crowd. Heres to a great, injury-free game between 2 very strong teams.:yes:

[cpacmel]

I am going to throw this out there:

It's really not right to compare stats at this point in the season.

And here's why:

Look at the difference in the team's played.

No offense to Arkansas-Pine Bluff and Lock Haven but they aren't exactly what you call Power House football programs.

Now Central Arkansas and Murray State aren't either, but atleast they are both I-AA, or in C-Arkansas's case, provisional.

EIU is also a pretty quality I-AA program.

I guess we can call K-State and Indiana a wash, though some would say that K-State has the better history.

But stats might have been alittle easier to come by vs. some non conference teams over others.

Regardless both teams are top 10 quality teams

[MSNSaluki]

Well 70 might be a stretch, but I'll take 63 just the same. As for Whitlock being Super"friggin"man, you've played Lock Haven, Indiana State, Western Illinois, and Indiana. The only game I'll give you props on is Indiana because they're D-1A, but hell you beat them when their coach was out having brain surgery. I don't care how good a team is, their coach having brain surgery is going to have a mental effect on their preparation.

Whitlock can be stopped, or at worst contained. Or do I need to print the box score from last year's game for you to review? Sambursky was passing at damn near 100% into the second quarter, and you still didn't get any closer than a TD before we put the dawg to sleep!

This week you pups find out you're not as good as advertised. As for Hill, the proof will be in his performance. I'm not sold, wasn't after watching the game against WIU, and don't think that will change after this week.

First off, where did this fool come from? Guess there has to be one ISU idiot on this board. The rest of the Redbird posters seem to be good people.:redbirds:

Yeah, you guys kicked us pretty good last year but quite frankly, the Redbirds played as well as they could play. Glad we can bring out that kind of effort in you. Too bad you couldn't duplicate that intensity at home against Western Illinois and Missouri State.:innocent: By the way, how was that ISU team barbeque while we were in the playoffs?

To the rest of the ISU contingent, sorry to momentarily be a prick. You guys are tough as hell and it's gonna take a big effort for SIU to win Saturday. It should be a great game. Looking forward to it!

[redbirdtim]

Since you asked...the potato salad had too much mayo, the hot dogs were burnt, and the Pepsi was flat.

However, I think it would be great if 1,000+ SIU fans made the trip. I would love to see us get 17,000 or more inside Hancock. Hopefully though, those 1,000+ fans won't have much to cheer about.

I will say that we have played tougher competition to start the year, but the Salukis are undefeated and we aren't. UCA is going to make some noise in the future. They aren't NDSU, but they are a solid team.

Both ISU and SIU are coming off tough games. ISU beat WKU 28-27 (who beat WIU) and SIU beat WIU 31-24. Like Phantom said, it's going to be interesting to see some nice battles between Whitlock and our LBs. Both Whitlock and Sisko are likely to be found on NFL rosters soon.

As for Hill, much respect for him hear. He's a good kid and a great athlete. I'm sure many of you know he was on a basketball scholarship at WKU and since has switched over to FB. I know him personally, so I am glad to see him doing well. However, if ever he have a bad game...I hope it's this one.

Winner of this game though deserves to be top 3 in the nation. Will also have a great chance to be the Gateway game of the Year and should be the top I-AA game of the week (above New Hampshire-James Madison).

[MSNSaluki]

Since you asked...the potato salad had too much mayo, the hot dogs were burnt, and the Pepsi was flat.

Glad to see you have a sense of humor!:yes: I was only going after one guy, not all Redbirds. Again, I enjoy reading you guys.



However, I think it would be great if 1,000+ SIU fans made the trip. I would love to see us get 17,000 or more inside Hancock. Hopefully though, those 1,000+ fans won't have much to cheer about.

I will say that we have played tougher competition to start the year, but the Salukis are undefeated and we aren't. UCA is going to make some noise in the future. They aren't NDSU, but they are a solid team.

Both ISU and SIU are coming off tough games. ISU beat WKU 28-27 (who beat WIU) and SIU beat WIU 31-24. Like Phantom said, it's going to be interesting to see some nice battles between Whitlock and our LBs. Both Whitlock and Sisko are likely to be found on NFL rosters soon.

As for Hill, much respect for him hear. He's a good kid and a great athlete. I'm sure many of you know he was on a basketball scholarship at WKU and since has switched over to FB. I know him personally, so I am glad to see him doing well. However, if ever he have a bad game...I hope it's this one.

Winner of this game though deserves to be top 3 in the nation. Will also have a great chance to be the Gateway game of the Year and should be the top I-AA game of the week (above New Hampshire-James Madison).

You guys should be 5-0, too.
The only other game that could be Gateway Game of the Year would be ISU/YSU or SIU/YSU, depending on the winner of Saturday's game. This one is going to be HUUUUUUGE! I just wish I could get down to Bloomington/Normal.
Good luck!

[Phantom]

Glad we can bring out that kind of effort in you. Too bad you couldn't duplicate that intensity at home against Western Illinois and Missouri State

I would hope we bring that effort everytime against SIU. If you cant get up and ready to go for a bigtime rival, especially when your both fighting at the top of the conference, then I dont know what to say :lol: (this obviously goes for both teams).

As for duplicating that intensity after the SIU game last year...we did come out totally flat and lost to WIU, knocking us out of playoff contention. But then we did beat up MSU pretty good. Maybe you were referring to our games @YSU and vs. WKU last year? Both those games were dissapointing 3-pt losses.

[MSNSaluki]

As for duplicating that intensity after the SIU game last year...we did come out totally flat and lost to WIU, knocking us out of playoff contention. But then we did beat up MSU pretty good. Maybe you were referring to our games @YSU and vs. WKU last year? Both those games were dissapointing 3-pt losses.

A really good rip only works if you present correct information, right?:confused: Sorry about that.

Yeah, that WIU game was the one that stuck in my mind. You guys were soooooooo good against us ... I had no idea how you lost to Western.

The YSU and WKU games were heartbreakers for you.

Anyway, apologies for throwing in Mo. State where the Bears didn't belong. As I told RedbirdTim, this is going to be a great game Saturday and should be a classic.

[cpacmel]

Yeah, you guys kicked us pretty good last year but quite frankly, the Redbirds played as well as they could play. Glad we can bring out that kind of effort in you. Too bad you couldn't duplicate that intensity at home against Western Illinois and Missouri State.:innocent: By the way, how was that ISU team barbeque while we were in the playoffs?


The Barbeque was good. We sat around and talked about great it was to kick your guys butts in Carbondale. Just kidding Joey. I have a sense of humor too. :grin:

And actually I don't think we played as well as we could against you guys, as we did give up 35 points.

Now when we beat UNI 38-3. That is probably the best we can play. :yes:

Saturday should definately be a good one.

On a total serious note:

Why in the world would you guys schedule Lock Haven?

Did you guys not learn anything from YSU and their game with Slippery rock from last season?

[redbirdtim]

My guess with the Lock Haven game is scheduling conflicts. Might not have been able to get an open team to agree to come to SIU without guarantee of a return game.

Also, SIU did play a I-A opponent (and won) in Indiana. They had to know that Indiana would be beatable.

As for YSU, they didn't make the playoffs for a variety of reasons
1) They played in a conference that had a lot of good teams. We were a top 2 conference, but you only have 8 auto-bids so you can't always take all the top teams from a good conference. Honestly, I'm surprised the Gateway didn't get 2 at-large bids, especially with the WIU AD on the selection committee. Last year, the SoCon and A-10 definitely deserved the teams they got in, but you can always debate the last few teams who get in. This year should be a year we get 3 or more though.
2) Poor non-con schedule but not just because of Slippery Rock. Besides getting drilled by Pitt, they beat a 2-9 Northeastern and 1-10 Liberty team. If they would have put up a decent game vs Pitt or played one more quality team. They might have had a better look there.
3) They finished the season 1-2 losing to SIU and UNI. They lost 21-7 at UNI and 31-17 at SIU. Like the BCS, you need to lose early. Eventhough they lost to ranked teams, they still went down in the rankings later on in the season, which likely has some effect on the selections. I would have thought drubbing WKU 42-10 would have really helped them.

[MSNSaluki]

The Barbeque was good. We sat around and talked about great it was to kick your guys butts in Carbondale. Just kidding Joey. I have a sense of humor too. :grin:

Then you guys had a great barbeque! There were plenty of highlights for you to talk about!:yes:

On a total serious note:

Why in the world would you guys schedule Lock Haven?

Did you guys not learn anything from YSU and their game with Slippery rock from last season?

Kill's had the same scheduling formula since he's been here. I think we started scheduling D2 and D3 teams because 5 years ago, we needed the victories. We get a Lock Haven every year, a DI (I think we play Northwestern next year) and a couple of I-AA teams to fill out the schedule. Nobody wants to play us any more ... I think Tennessee Tech canceled on us this year because they didn't want the ***-whipping. We had to fill a spot with a dangerous North Dakota State last year, who is provisional as well, but those boys were good last year (we only beat them 9-0) and they are 5-0 this year and have beaten Ball State and Georgia Southern on the road. This year, we finish up with Southern Utah, which isn't exactly a cakewalk either.

It's tough to schedule in I-AA football, too, especially when you are good. You guys know what we're talking about.

We've been lucky so far ... we haven't had to do a lot of hand-wringing over at-large bids. I would assume we'll keep the same philosophy until we face a Youngstown State situation and don't get an at-large bid.

[valleyclimber]

Going with the Redbirds over the Salukis in one hell of a battle....38-35

Should be the nation's top I-AA game this week! :grin:

[Carrcar]

Why in the world would you guys schedule Lock Haven?

I heard it had to do with the reshuffling of the schedule at Indiana's request. So Lock Haven was a last option...But we also got a Big 10/11 FB game, a bunch of $, a win, and a home and home with Indiana in basketball. Pretty slick.

[cpacmel]

2) Poor non-con schedule but not just because of Slippery Rock. Besides getting drilled by Pitt, they beat a 2-9 Northeastern and 1-10 Liberty team. If they would have put up a decent game vs Pitt or played one more quality team. They might have had a better look there.


redbirdtim, replace slippery rock with any I-AA team and beat that team and YSU would have had 8 D-I wins.

In the eyes of the committee YSU had 7 D-I wins, and that isn't going to get it done, not with so many other good teams having more D-I wins.

[Webersback]

Whitlock can be stopped, or at worst contained. Or do I need to print the box score from last year's game for you to review?

Yes, look at last year's game. SIU was out of the game so fast that the run was abandoned, he had 15 carries by halftime and 21 for the game. Whitlock had 96 yards on only 13 carries in 1994 and he is averaging 6.3 yards per carry so far this year. Good luck stopping him. Southern needs to contain Drone and try to get the Redbirds in 3rd and long situations.

Can't wait for kickoff!!

[SIUFAN]

Nick Hill may be unproven to outsiders, but I think that is part of Kill's strategy. He knows the winning tradition that Nick brings to the table, he is confident in his quarterback and knows that Nick can control the game if need be. However, EVERYONE knows that we rely on our running game and Kill is showing that hand now. He is keeping Nick's true talent in his back pocket until a team proves that they can stop Whitlock and force us to show our hand.

I am excited for the game Saturday and wish I could be up there! It's going to be rockin!

[skinny_uncle]

Whitlock can be stopped, or at worst contained. Or do I need to print the box score from last year's game for you to review?

Yes, look at last year's game. SIU was out of the game so fast that the run was abandoned, he had 15 carries by halftime and 21 for the game. Whitlock had 96 yards on only 13 carries in 1994 and he is averaging 6.3 yards per carry so far this year. Good luck stopping him. Southern needs to contain Drone and try to get the Redbirds in 3rd and long situations.

Can't wait for kickoff!!
Whitlock had maybe his worst game statistically against Ill State last year. He ended up with 83 yards rushing (4 yards/carry andonly 1 TD), caught 2 passes for 21 more yards and had 2 kick returns for 33 yards. He was also credited with a tackle. He looked almost human. Don't count on similar numbers on Saturday. He is running behind a more experienced O line and is stronger himself.

[cpacmel]

Whitlock can be stopped, or at worst contained. Or do I need to print the box score from last year's game for you to review?

Yes, look at last year's game. SIU was out of the game so fast that the run was abandoned, he had 15 carries by halftime and 21 for the game. Whitlock had 96 yards on only 13 carries in 1994 and he is averaging 6.3 yards per carry so far this year. Good luck stopping him. Southern needs to contain Drone and try to get the Redbirds in 3rd and long situations.

Can't wait for kickoff!!

Geez if Whitlock had 96 yards on only 13 carries back in 1994, shouldn't his eligibilty have run out by now?

See, Sense of humor. :banana:

[skinny_uncle]

Geez if Whitlock had 96 yards on only 13 carries back in 1994, shouldn't his eligibilty have run out by now?

See, Sense of humor. :banana:
I'm sure he meant 2004.

[cpacmel]

I'm sure he meant 2004.

Ya think?:doh:

[redbirdtim]

Skinny, Joey or any SIU fan I guess,

I was wondering what the Saluki injury report is for the upcoming game. I know that for us Laurent is nursing an ankle injury and that we have some players out for the season. How is the SIU team health?

Also, if any SIU fans have any questions about coming up, drop Mel or me a PM. I know I speak for true Redbird fans when I say, "We hope you all have a safe trip up and enjoy the atmosphere." I really hope the interactions you have with our fans are nice and civil. While we may be doing battle on the football field, we are both there for the same reason: to show our team we support them.

[SiuCubFan8]

This info is from the SIU athletic site.

They say ISUs ticket office has estimated that they have sold 2000 tickets to saluki fans. Should be crazy in normal this weekend.

Go Dawgs!:salukis:

[redbirdtim]

That's good news for the Salukis. Normally, I wouldn't trust the ticket sales numbers that the ticket office gives here, but I would guess this time that they are pretty accurate.

I wonder how many Saluki fans have placed ticket orders in the past week or so. If most of the 2,000 tickets were sold in the past week, I would guess that we could hit 17-18 k real easily. I think the students are really going to turn out, especially if the weather is decent.

[oberkfell]

1. The crowd will not have any affect on the Salukis, after all they played at "The Rock" in Bloomington, Indiana.

2. I believe neither team will be able to stop one another.

3. It's going to be a shootout.

Hopefully the SIU coaching staff has something up their sleeve to stop the high powered ISU offense. It seems like SIU has a very difficult time putting pressure on the opposing QBs on a consistent basis.

Score?

I will tell you after the game.

[Phantom]

That's good news for the Salukis. Normally, I wouldn't trust the ticket sales numbers that the ticket office gives here, but I would guess this time that they are pretty accurate.

I wonder how many Saluki fans have placed ticket orders in the past week or so. If most of the 2,000 tickets were sold in the past week, I would guess that we could hit 17-18 k real easily. I think the students are really going to turn out, especially if the weather is decent.

I think the students will turn out in droves no matter what. It was stated that we had over 4,000 students come out to the game vs. EIU and for once I actually believe that number because there were students EVERYWHERE. Not only was the Zoo jam packed, but we had students in the stands on both sides of the field, as well as all over the grass hills and even standing looking over the fences by Horton Fieldhouse. There will be even more students out there on Saturday.

This game just seems to get bigger and bigger by the day. With all the hype surrounding the game, plus with it being Homecoming and with how many fans SIU is bringing, rickety 'ol Hancock Stadium is gonna be a MADHOUSE for this game :lol:

[MSNSaluki]

I think the students will turn out in droves no matter what. It was stated that we had over 4,000 students come out to the game vs. EIU and for once I actually believe that number because there were students EVERYWHERE. Not only was the Zoo jam packed, but we had students in the stands on both sides of the field, as well as all over the grass hills and even standing looking over the fences by Horton Fieldhouse. There will be even more students out there on Saturday.

This game just seems to get bigger and bigger by the day. With all the hype surrounding the game, plus with it being Homecoming and with how many fans SIU is bringing, rickety 'ol Hancock Stadium is gonna be a MADHOUSE for this game :lol:

I sure wish I could be there.
You guys have fun ... can't wait to read your thoughts on the atmosphere after the game.:salukis: :redbirds:

[SiuCubFan8]

rickety 'ol Hancock Stadium


Come on that term is reserved for McAndrew!
Here is to a good game and a Saluki win!:salukis: :redbirds:

[cpacmel]

Also, if any SIU fans have any questions about coming up, drop Mel or me a PM. I know I speak for true Redbird fans when I say, "We hope you all have a safe trip up and enjoy the atmosphere." I really hope the interactions you have with our fans are nice and civil. While we may be doing battle on the football field, we are both there for the same reason: to show our team we support them.

Let me 2nd what redbirdtim has said.

I am sure you guys will come across some bad ISU fans. Let's face it, every program has them. Just know, like all schools, they make up a very small percentage of the fan base.

And most important, be safe in your travels. It looks the weather is going to cooperate, and not cause many issues.

[MSNSaluki]

Let me 2nd what redbirdtim has said.

I am sure you guys will come across some bad ISU fans. Let's face it, every program has them. Just know, like all schools, they make up a very small percentage of the fan base.

And most important, be safe in your travels. It looks the weather is going to cooperate, and not cause many issues.

This game would be a lot easier to talk trash about if you guys weren't so damn nice.:original:
Good luck.

[REALBird]

Joey,

If you're looking for one ISU idiot, then I guess I'll have to be that one guy. I'm sorry if you don't AGREE with my prognostication about ISU winning BIG, but hey I'm biased.....what can I say.

I'll give you credit where credit is due Joey, you've been nothing but respectful and represent SIU with class. But I can't say the same for some of the other SIU contingent.

I lurk on Salukitalk.net just to keep up with the opposition, and I read nothing but unflattering remarks about Illinois' First Public University (that would be ISU), and in most instances the posts are downright hateful. Now if you chalk me up as the Redbird bad seed of the family.....so be it. Compared to the likes of SalukiBob (who professes an intense hatred for ISU on your board) then I'm tame. But thanks in large part to fans like him and others who continue to call us the RedTURDS, despite the classy and informative posts by people like Mel and DannyCooksey on your board. I'm sold that the entire lot of people in "God's Country" are idiots as well.

Personally, I never really had an opinion one way or another about SIU. Never wanted to attend, so I've always rooted from a distance. But the cockiness and arrogance of some SIU fans does you guys a disservice. It rivals what many of your fans think about the WSU fans on the VT basketball board.

ISU fans don't project that same hatred toward SIU (in most cases), so why all the venom toward ISU? For that matter if any SIU fan can elaborate (and don't make excuses) then by all means do so.

Our coach Denver Johnson did one of the classiest things a coach could do last year by praying with BOTH teams after a well deserved victory by ISU last year at SIU. ISU had been downright embarrased by SIU in recent years, but instead of letting our kids celebrate a well deserved victory he rallied both teams together to pray for Coach Kill after his apparent stroke or seizure at the end of the game.

Yet he's still the subject of more mean comments than kind ones over on that other board. Yet you want to label ME an idiot. After reading some of the posts over there, I'll never root for SIU whether they represent the Valley, Gateway, or any other conference no matter the opponent.

This year I want to win big, and give our kids the celebration they missed out on last year. Of course, it goes without saying that I don't want Coach Kill to suffer the same fate as last year. Hope you understand where I'm coming from, and if not.....let's just agree to disagree.

:redbirds:

[DawgFan]

I was rooting for a good, clean game. But, after reading that drivel, I hope our Jordan's late hit reggie redbird into the zoo.

realbird(brain?), judging a fan base by its internet commentary is dopey. That said, its been pretty tame regarding this weeks game all over the 'net.

[REALBird]

I was rooting for a good, clean game. But, after reading that drivel, I hope our Jordan's late hit reggie redbird into the zoo.

realbird(brain?), judging a fan base by its internet commentary is dopey. That said, its been pretty tame regarding this weeks game all over the 'net.

Need I say more????

[DawgFan]

You already said three manifestos worth. Your hatred of me is frightening.
When I stop by to say hello before the game, a cold Coors Light is preferred.

Go Salukis.
Beat red boots and his ("I built a program not a team redbirds"). What an insult to Coach Berry.

[MSNSaluki]

Joey,

If you're looking for one ISU idiot, then I guess I'll have to be that one guy. I'm sorry if you don't AGREE with my prognostication about ISU winning BIG, but hey I'm biased.....what can I say.

I'll give you credit where credit is due Joey, you've been nothing but respectful and represent SIU with class. But I can't say the same for some of the other SIU contingent.

I lurk on Salukitalk.net just to keep up with the opposition, and I read nothing but unflattering remarks about Illinois' First Public University (that would be ISU), and in most instances the posts are downright hateful. Now if you chalk me up as the Redbird bad seed of the family.....so be it. Compared to the likes of SalukiBob (who professes an intense hatred for ISU on your board) then I'm tame. But thanks in large part to fans like him and others who continue to call us the RedTURDS, despite the classy and informative posts by people like Mel and DannyCooksey on your board. I'm sold that the entire lot of people in "God's Country" are idiots as well.

Personally, I never really had an opinion one way or another about SIU. Never wanted to attend, so I've always rooted from a distance. But the cockiness and arrogance of some SIU fans does you guys a disservice. It rivals what many of your fans think about the WSU fans on the VT basketball board.

ISU fans don't project that same hatred toward SIU (in most cases), so why all the venom toward ISU? For that matter if any SIU fan can elaborate (and don't make excuses) then by all means do so.

Our coach Denver Johnson did one of the classiest things a coach could do last year by praying with BOTH teams after a well deserved victory by ISU last year at SIU. ISU had been downright embarrased by SIU in recent years, but instead of letting our kids celebrate a well deserved victory he rallied both teams together to pray for Coach Kill after his apparent stroke or seizure at the end of the game.

Yet he's still the subject of more mean comments than kind ones over on that other board. Yet you want to label ME an idiot. After reading some of the posts over there, I'll never root for SIU whether they represent the Valley, Gateway, or any other conference no matter the opponent.

This year I want to win big, and give our kids the celebration they missed out on last year. Of course, it goes without saying that I don't want Coach Kill to suffer the same fate as last year. Hope you understand where I'm coming from, and if not.....let's just agree to disagree.

:redbirds:

My man, I used the term "idiot" for a post that I thought was way over the top. Nothing personal ... and thanks for recognizing I'm not a flamer. I respect the hell out of ISU and think this game Saturday is going to be a great one.

Sorry that some SIU fans have you so fired up. I know how you feel ... there are some guys from some schools on this board that don't show respect to anybody, and it's very irritating. I'm pretty mellow so I tend stay out of the ****storms on message boards.:original:

We're cool. But I will agree to disagree on one thing ... you guys aren't scoring 63 on us. Now, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 48-47 final ....
:redbirds: :salukis:

[SiuCubFan8]

Our coach Denver Johnson did one of the classiest things a coach could do last year by praying with BOTH teams after a well deserved victory by ISU last year at SIU.

Yes that was classy but it was the thing to do and every other coach would have done the same thing. So lets not exagerate that and make it sound like Denver did anything every other coach wouldn't do.

I'll never root for SIU whether they represent the Valley, Gateway, or any other conference no matter the opponent.

You will not be missed!:grin:

Oh ya one more thing. If you don't like what is said on salukitalk than don't read it!

[redbirdtim]

I will say what DJ did was classy, but it was a move that would be made by MOST coaches. I'm sure there are some coaches after beating the #1 team at home that wouldn't do something like that. Would you find one in the Gateway...probably not.

I will say one thing though...Dawgfan, did you just say you hope they attack our mascot? "I was rooting for a good, clean game. But, after reading that drivel, I hope our Jordan's late hit reggie redbird into the zoo."

I will say, try to find Mel...his wife makes a mean taco dip I hear. However, bring some of those smokin' Saluki Shakers we've been hearing about :-)

[DawgFan]

tim,et all..I know the twin cities are a straightlaced area, full of nice subdivisions and white picket fences, but it was an attempt at humor. I don't wish ill on Reggie Redbird. He's a darn fine mascot.

[DawgieStyle]

My 2 cents.

SIU was over rated the last couple years, and this year they are under rated. I don't care if Indiana's coach had died. When you beat A school from the Big 10, that's saying alot. Even if it is Indiana. This team is very very very good. Much Better than last years team. Sambursky great game manager, but Nick hill, although not as consistent can be a game changer. Something Joel never was. SIU beats ISU by two touch downs.

[DawgFan]

As for the game, I think SIU loses by 3.

SIU is better on offense with Nick Hill, a talented stable of RB's and a somewhat healthy Braden Jones at TE. WR's are secret weapons and unknowns, but they've stepped up when they've had to.

The problem, where SIU didn't match-up last year was in the secondary. And SIU is still young back there and even younger on the d line and at linebacker.

There will be points scored in this game.

[Phantom]

Yes that was classy but it was the thing to do and every other coach would have done the same thing. So lets not exagerate that and make it sound like Denver did anything every other coach wouldn't do.


I'll just add this because it hasnt been brought up yet: Not only did Denver do the prayer thing, he sent the team back to Normal and he stayed behind with Coach Kill and his family at the hospital all night. Now THAT is classy IMO, and if I remember correctly there were alot of SIU fans (plus Coach Kill himself) who really appreciated Denver's gesture. Im not trying to toot his horn but I thought what he did was very classy and showed great sportsmanship and genuine concern for a fellow competitor.

tim,et all..I know the twin cities are a straightlaced area, full of nice subdivisions and white picket fences, but it was an attempt at humor. I don't wish ill on Reggie Redbird. He's a darn fine mascot.

I personally thought it was funny too :lol: We love Reggie, but we enjoy giving our mascot s**t sometimes, right Tim??? :grin:

There will be points scored in this game.

I think so too. With 2 excellent offenses, both of which have the potential to be very explosive, this will likely be a moderate to high scoring affair, if not a total shootout. Whatever happens, Im sure we are all in store for a great football game. The stage couldnt be more set: 2 great top-10 teams, bitter in-state rivals, huge GFC implications, ahuge crowd and rockin' atmosphere. Heres to a hardfought, clean, entertaining, and INJURY-FREE game! :yes:

[SIUFAN]

I'm just curious... i haven't heard any SIU fan say DJ was a bad coach or a bad guy. I for one thought it was very classy for him to do what he did. I don't think EVERY coach would meet with both teams after the game for a prayer. He is a great coach and will lead ISU to the playoffs. (if you go and find a quote where someone says he is a jerk, please try to find at least 4 or 5, one quote doesn't qualify as "everyone's opinion".) Also, when it comes to Salukitalk, many fans there respect SALUKI BOB and I for one know he is a good guy. I know BOB has his reasons to dislike ISU, but I think a lot of the other people are just saying things to get Bob riled up, most of the comments are said jokingly. Relax a little, ok?

[REALBird]

Well gentlemen in an effort to put this "debate" to rest, I'll be the bigger man and grow some thicker skin in the future. I appreciate the insight, and I apologize for typecasting ALL Saluki fans on the basis of one guy with an axe to grind. Maybe some ISU guy stole BOB's first girlfriend or something to that magnitude, but for whatever reason his outward hatred seems unwarranted, and a bit childish.

I hope I didn't offend ALL Saluki fans, or embarras ALL Redbird fans with my comments. I'll stand by my feelings about BOB and whatever issues he has with Redbird fans because like I said, we love it when both schools can compete in a good old fashion sporting contest.....but many of us don't express such outward feelings about SIU. We reserve those feelings for the private school snots up in Peoria.

Hope a good game is had by both teams. May the best team win (Redbirds)! Let's hope both can escape this game injury free.

[skinny_uncle]

Must be a big game. This thread has generated more replies than any other on the football board.
As to Salukibob, he really is a good feller despite his dislike of Ill State. He dislikes Notre Dame even more if that is any comfort. We don't necessarily understand it, we just accept him as he is.

[DawgieStyle]

Must be a big game. This thread has generated more replies than any other on the football board.
As to Salukibob, he really is a good feller despite his dislike of Ill State. He dislikes Notre Dame even more if that is any comfort. We don't necessarily understand it, we just accept him as he is.

Its like the he's an idiot, but he's OUR idiot.

[SiuCubFan8]

Well gentlemen in an effort to put this "debate" to rest, I'll be the bigger man and grow some thicker skin in the future. I appreciate the insight, and I apologize for typecasting ALL Saluki fans on the basis of one guy with an axe to grind. Maybe some ISU guy stole BOB's first girlfriend or something to that magnitude, but for whatever reason his outward hatred seems unwarranted, and a bit childish.

I hope I didn't offend ALL Saluki fans, or embarras ALL Redbird fans with my comments. I'll stand by my feelings about BOB and whatever issues he has with Redbird fans because like I said, we love it when both schools can compete in a good old fashion sporting contest.....but many of us don't express such outward feelings about SIU. We reserve those feelings for the private school snots up in Peoria.

Hope a good game is had by both teams. May the best team win (Redbirds)! Let's hope both can escape this game injury free.

See the thing is I do not think he has problems with Redturd(:grin: ) fans more just with ISU. Kinda like how I make fun of the Packers and such. I don't dislike most Packer fans just hate the Packers with a passion. Does that make more sense?

[skinny_uncle]

Bob's dislike of the Redbirds and Fighting Irish is more in the nature of a running gag than true animosity (I think). I did once ask him who he would cheer for if Ill State played ND. He said he would be forced to cheer for the Redbirds.
:jawdrop:

[Phantom]

Bob's dislike of the Redbirds and Fighting Irish is more in the nature of a running gag than true animosity (I think). I did once ask him who he would cheer for if Ill State played ND. He said he would be forced to cheer for the Redbirds.
:jawdrop:


I would hope so! :lol:

Well, gametime is almost here. I think no matter what we are all gonna be in for a great battle between 2 excellent teams. The place is gonna be jammed and the atmosphere will be rockin! Like Ive said before, lets just hope for a good, clean, Injury-Free game. To the Saluki fans making the trip---have a safe drive to & from Normal. Good luck to both teams. It should be a classic.

:redbirds:

[Carrcar]

I think the teams are pretty even on talent and coaching. After reading the Southern Illinoisan roster breakdown I see a lot of Jrs. and Srs for ISU and a bunch of Freshmen for SIU...experience could be the difference.

[skinny_uncle]

I think the teams are pretty even on talent and coaching. After reading the Southern Illinoisan roster breakdown I see a lot of Jrs. and Srs for ISU and a bunch of Freshmen for SIU...experience could be the difference.
Interesting thought. But, then again last year SIU was a team loaded with seniors and they lost.

[skinny_uncle]

Almost gametime. Hope everyone comes out healthy.

[DawgieStyle]

I never want to hear an ISU fan ever say again, how bad SIU fans are. Not after seeing and hearing how ISU fans were throwing things on the field 3 seperate times and getting a 15 yard unsportsman like conduct penalty. Mind you the penalty was on the crowd, not the team. Pathetic.

By far some of the most classless fans I've ever seen. Way to go Redturds.

[skinny_uncle]

A few bad apples in every fanbase. I'm sure Denver Johson will discuss handing out freebies to the fans with whoever did it. Ill State handed it to us for the second year in a row. Good game by the 'Birds. Their O-line did an excellent job of protecting their QB Drone and giving him time to make plays. Back to the drawing board for the Dawgs.

[REALBird]

Coach Johnson did mention that it probably wasn't the best thing in the world to give the students projectiles. He admits that he has a lot of respect for Coach Kill and SIU. He's honored to be mentioned with school like SIU in the GFC, and that a game like this is important for the developing rivalry. He also mentioned that it was probably the best game in the State of Illinois today.

On a side note, it was great to see both teams walked away without any significant injuries. I think Robinson tweaked that ankle again. Probably will never be 100% this year.

But I did say ISU wins big. Not the 70 points I wanted, but I venture to say we contained Whitlock as I mentioned in previous posts, and Nick Hill still did not impress me.....but in due time will turn out to be a very good QB in the GFC. He's too talented a kid to have handing off 20-30 times a game. He's got to move around the pocket, work in some short passing plays to go with that bootleg they have him run. FWIW, I don't think I saw them try to stretch the Redbird defense but on a few occassions.
All in all......I'm glad the RedBIRDS won. On to WIU.

[redbirdtim]

Because those stupid, drunk students won't apologize for their actions, I want to apologize to the SIU team for what happened with the mini-footballs. Obviously a very bad promotion to have, especially at homecoming with a lot of students who had been drinking. Fans will hiss and boo, but when you throw something on the field, no matter what it is, that is bad!

I feel sorry for our mascot though who was being harassed by an fan (harassment to the point where he was led away by police). You shouldn't threaten to attack anyone...nor should you be stupid enough to keep swearing and flipping people off after the cops arrived on scene. Funny though as he tried to deny what he had done.

I will commend a lot of SIU fans though on being very nice and knowledgable about the game. Had a chance to talk to some and they were great. Also, I had a chance to talk to some of the SIU football managers. They were great guys and very fun to shoot the breeze with.

Now to the game...SIU has some great talents, and they will be in the playoffs. After the first few series, the Redbirds dominated. Could have been a lot higher score if the Birds didn't make some bad mistakes. If we want to keep winning, we can't miss easy kicks nor commit stupid penalties.

[oberkfell]

The poor throw by Hill changed the momementum of the game, right before half.

ISU is the better team after sitting through the game today.

Drone is a hell of a qb, especially when SIU gives him 5 minutes to throw the ball to wide open receivers.

SIU lost it in the trenches today. I think they only touched Drone once.

Hats off to ISU, the better team won today.

SIU's defense is well let's just say, there is alot of work to be done.

[valleyclimber]

WOW!! Was really suprised to see the Redbirds thrash the Salukis. The score was a shocker. Dawgie Style, students get drunk and go to football games. It sounds to me that you just have sour grapes after your team was manhandled by ISU.

[redbirdtim]

I will say that being mad about throwing things is completely valid. I would be mad too. Throwing mini footballs can lead to throwing other things-dangerous things.

However, every team has its bad apples. I've seen worse than throwing mini footballs though. I could sit here and call you the $h1tty dogs or something, but what's the point man...when you say stuff like that, it makes me think that those bad apple Redbird fans aren't the one ones without class.

[Phantom]

2 things on today's game...

1. GREAT win for the Redbirds. Very much a statement game, beating an excellent Saluki team by 27 points. This was our best all around effort of the season and it finally came at a great time. Tremendous crowd too. Over 17,000 and the atmosphere was every bit as electric as it was hyped to be.

2. The students throwing things. F****NG DEPLORABLE. As a current ISU student, I cant say how embarrassed I am by this. I was absolutely FURIOUS each time the mini-balls (and in 1 case---a shoe and in another case, a beer) came flying out of The Zoo. There is NO excuse for that. Its pathetic. I made a big post on Salukitalk apologizing on behalf of my fellow students. The people down in front were fine, it was the morons sitting higher up that were the problem. Being drunk is NO excuse either. We were all drinking/tailgating before the game but I'll be damned if I ever throw things at the other team. I dont care how big the game is or how big of rivals we are.

Im embarrassed about it bigtime. This was NOT a good reflection of our students, or our fanbase and University in general. I really hope that SIU fans dont think this was an accurate representation of our fans because it was not. We have A LOT more respect, class, and sportsmanship than that. I feel sick that some idiotic, jackass students didnt show that today. Again, to the SIU team/fans, I do apologize. It was uncalled for and no excuse can justify it.

[Hortonfldhse]

I never want to hear an ISU fan ever say again, how bad SIU fans are. Not after seeing and hearing how ISU fans were throwing things on the field 3 seperate times and getting a 15 yard unsportsman like conduct penalty. Mind you the penalty was on the crowd, not the team. Pathetic.

By far some of the most classless fans I've ever seen. Way to go Redturds.

So Dawgie, no comments on the manhandling the Birds put on your Salukis. this thread was about the game not the misbehaving students. Start a new thread about that if you feel so strongly. Now back to some game talk.

After SIU scored to make it 10-3, the game was all REDbirds. In fact, SIU only crossed midfield a couple more times after that point in the game. The ISU offensive line was tremendous.


Go Birds

[REALBird]

Get real.
No 2 teams combined have hung 70 on the Dawgs this year. The most they have given up in a game was 28 against Indiana. Forcing Hill to pass is not a great plan even if it was achievable. He leads the league in passing efficiency when he does throw. He is the only starting QB in the league without an INT. Stopping WHitlock? Not without the use of illegal weapons. He hung 216 yards and 3 TDs on WIU yesterday. He is just hitting his stride.
:salukis:

Well it wasn't quite 70 or even 63, but it could have been worse. I for one would have ran on 3rd and 2 instead of trying the fade to Jackson to end the second half. If you can stop our running game 3 times in a row inside the 5 yard line, then you deserve the FG. I think DJ tried to out think Kill, and SIU was prepared. All in all, I'll take the 27 pt. margin of victory.

Whitlock can be stopped, or at worst contained. Or do I need to print the box score from last year's game for you to review?

Yes, look at last year's game. SIU was out of the game so fast that the run was abandoned, he had 15 carries by halftime and 21 for the game. Whitlock had 96 yards on only 13 carries in 1994 and he is averaging 6.3 yards per carry so far this year. Good luck stopping him. Southern needs to contain Drone and try to get the Redbirds in 3rd and long situations.

Can't wait for kickoff!!

Whitlock had a much better game, but where was the sense of urgency from SIU. He put up nice numbers 27-140, but I was surprised SIU was still trying to run the ball in the second half down 20 going into the 4th quarter.
All in all....he was contained, no TD's and maybe only one or two huge 10+ yard runs. Not sure if he's durable enough for 30-35 carries, but it may have taken at least that many or more for him to put up his usual numbers.

My thoughts are this game will have about 60-70 points combined. If we can get on the board first and get the crowd into it, we could grab the upperhand. If our defense comes out and lays an egg and our workhorse Rembert doesn't run like he normally does, we could have trouble.

I like you Tim, but you just have to have a little faith! In all seriousness, this team seems destined this year. We got the WKU monkey off our back. We've held serve so far in our 1-AA games, and we need to get the WIU monkey off our back next. Coach Johnson said he was going to savor this one for a few hours, then get to reviewing the film to prepare for WIU. I think this years team is taking them one game at a time, and I think they'll beat WIU convincingly on the road next week.

Glad you aren't sold on Hill. He leads the league in passing efficiency and has 5 rushing TDs to go with it. He hasn't thrown an INT since high school(he had one his senior year). He doesn't have gaudy passing yardage numbers, but SIU is mainly a running team. What exactly does it take to impress you?

Well the first thing was the fact that SIU is a ground control team. Whitlock carries the load, and Hill's job is not to make mistakes. If SIU controls the scoreboard (being ahead) and the clock, they're tough to beat. Hill can manage a game effectively. But after watching him last year in clean up duty, I was impressed because he did what Sambursky didn't do...MOVE around the pocket. Based on the two games I've seen him play (WIU and ISU) he's not being utilized to his full potential. He has the arm to throw it, but the playbook needs to be opened up a bit more. That being said....ISU's defense didn't really get to him enough for sacks, but they did force him out of the pocket quite a bit.

First off, where did this fool come from? Guess there has to be one ISU idiot on this board. The rest of the Redbird posters seem to be good people.:redbirds:

Yeah, you guys kicked us pretty good last year but quite frankly, the Redbirds played as well as they could play.!

Joey, I still don't mind being a fool or an idiot. Our student section did a good job of that yesterday, but even a fool can say it was unexcusable. Glad to see noone got hurt. On to WIU.

[DawgieStyle]

So Dawgie, no comments on the manhandling the Birds put on your Salukis. this thread was about the game not the misbehaving students. Start a new thread about that if you feel so strongly. Now back to some game talk.

After SIU scored to make it 10-3, the game was all REDbirds. In fact, SIU only crossed midfield a couple more times after that point in the game. The ISU offensive line was tremendous.


Go Birds

too bad I posted that, wayyyy before the game was even decided. Secondly that was part of the game, it cost you a 15 yard penalty. Thirdly its sad that you choose to ignore it. You are as pathetic as the fans who threw the balls, heck maybe you were even one of them.

[MSNSaluki]

Joey, I still don't mind being a fool or an idiot. Our student section did a good job of that yesterday, but even a fool can say it was unexcusable. Glad to see noone got hurt. On to WIU.

You guys kicked the ever-loving crap out of us. Congrats.
And thanks to all of the Redbirds on this thread for their apologies for the behavior of some. It's not necessary but it definitely shows some class.
Good luck the rest of the way!

[DawgFan]

Congratulations on absolutely thrashing SIU. I was there and it wasn't pretty (your stadium, jk). ISU is a better football team than SIU this season and on-top of that, SIU doesn't match-up well with ISU's size and speed on the perimeter (WR, DB's). Drone was also very impressive.

I'm not into big apologies from fan base spokesmen. Not necessary. In a crowd of 17,000, of which at least 14,000 were Redbird fans, you're gonna have some jerks and your gonna have some drunks. And when you're a jerk and you're drunk, that creates problems. But, overall it was a nice atmosphere.

[Hortonfldhse]

too bad I posted that, wayyyy before the game was even decided. Secondly that was part of the game, it cost you a 15 yard penalty. Thirdly its sad that you choose to ignore it. You are as pathetic as the fans who threw the balls, heck maybe you were even one of them.

Other than receiving a 15 yard penalty, how did it affect the play on the field. The answer is it did not. I completely agree it was stupid and very childish. It was about 20 students who did this. No, I am not as pathetic as them as I have more ways of showing my displeasure at the visiting team--namely the normal booing when they come out. I don't think throwing a football would be a responsible thing to do with my two kids sitting next to me.

[DawgieStyle]

Other than receiving a 15 yard penalty, how did it affect the play on the field. The answer is it did not. I completely agree it was stupid and very childish. It was about 20 students who did this. No, I am not as pathetic as them as I have more ways of showing my displeasure at the visiting team--namely the normal booing when they come out. I don't think throwing a football would be a responsible thing to do with my two kids sitting next to me.

well i applaud you for being a responsible parent. It's nice to see. But whether its a small 15 yard penalty or a touchdown, those kids action did have an impact on the game, and that should never ever happen. What if that 15 yard penalty had been the difference between being in range for a field goal in a tight game? I know this game wasnt close, but at that time no one knew that. It could have had a major impact. Keep those kinds of things in mind.

[cpacmel]

well i applaud you for being a responsible parent. It's nice to see. But whether its a small 15 yard penalty or a touchdown, those kids action did have an impact on the game, and that should never ever happen. What if that 15 yard penalty had been the difference between being in range for a field goal in a tight game? I know this game wasnt close, but at that time no one knew that. It could have had a major impact. Keep those kinds of things in mind.

You can play the What if Game with alot of things. I think that is downright silly to do with this situation.

The fans messed up, the team got 15 yards for it.

It's not like SIU made ISU pay for that 15 yards. The kick-off was returned to the 40, when it was kicked from the 50.

Now if the fans threw objects on the field with 5 minutes to go in a close game, that would be a totally different story, IMO.

It was a dumb thing regardless, but it certainly wasn't a game changing thing.

[DawgieStyle]

yep, keep letting those kids think it wasn't a big deal, that's a great attitude to take.

[cpacmel]

yep, keep letting those kids think it wasn't a big deal, that's a great attitude to take.

No one said it wasn't a big deal.

Just not a GAME CHANGING scenario you made it out to be.

the saying that seems to fit here is this:

Making a mountain out of a molehill :grin:

[REALBird]

I don't know what more can be said! Our coach apologized, and even admitted it wasn't the best idea in the world for the ISU admins to give the students mini footballs.

Now I won't sugar coat things, this could have gotten WAY out of hand. The last thing I want our students to be responsible for is inciting the opposing team to go up in the stands and fight. Hancock Stadium or Redbird Arena should be imposing places for visitors to play.....but within the limits of civility.

Talk about a players girlfriend, his mother, the coach, whatever. I've been known to ask an opposing player or two back in the day:

"How's your girlfriend and MY BABY?"

That's just SMACK talk. No harm, no foul. Players shouldn't be listening to a loon like me anyway!

But at the end of the day, while I don't condone the actions of the ISU kids. They're kids doing what happens in NFL stadiums, and other college stadiums across the country. STUPID....YES! But noone was harmed or injured, so the only black eye dealt was that to the reputation of the ISU students in the Zoo.

Let it go. Kid's make stupid mistakes. Like driving drunk and getting DUI's (cough...Tatum....cough) Or is it just the athletes that deserve the benefit of the doubt, and a second chance?

[DawgieStyle]

I don't know what more can be said! Our coach apologized, and even admitted it wasn't the best idea in the world for the ISU admins to give the students mini footballs.

Now I won't sugar coat things, this could have gotten WAY out of hand. The last thing I want our students to be responsible for is inciting the opposing team to go up in the stands and fight. Hancock Stadium or Redbird Arena should be imposing places for visitors to play.....but within the limits of civility.

Talk about a players girlfriend, his mother, the coach, whatever. I've been known to ask an opposing player or two back in the day:

"How's your girlfriend and MY BABY?"

That's just SMACK talk. No harm, no foul. Players shouldn't be listening to a loon like me anyway!

But at the end of the day, while I don't condone the actions of the ISU kids. They're kids doing what happens in NFL stadiums, and other college stadiums across the country. STUPID....YES! But noone was harmed or injured, so the only black eye dealt was that to the reputation of the ISU students in the Zoo.

Let it go. Kid's make stupid mistakes. Like driving drunk and getting DUI's (cough...Tatum....cough) Or is it just the athletes that deserve the benefit of the doubt, and a second chance?

oh yah, lets just chalk it up to kids being kids. And kids being stupid. Then its all forgivable and ok? I think not. What if one of those footballs had hit a player in the eye? OR actually had caused a riot, or more likely had more penalties called on them that would have affected the game. I know those are what ifs, but they are all plausible situation based on the actions of your students. You simply can not right it off as dumb kids. That gives them the green light to be "dumb" again. I can't believe ISU hasn't taken more action on this. Such as throwing kids out of school, or at least disciplining them. If I'm ISU, you have to send a message to your students this isn't acceptable. Otherwise it gives them once a again the green light to be dumb because there are no consequences. This is what is wrong with kids and society today. They aren't afraid of anything.

[DannyCooksey]

Such as throwing kids out of school,

Absolutely the dumbest statement in many a moon on VT. wow

:lol:

[DawgieStyle]

Absolutely the dumbest statement in many a moon on VT. wow

:lol:

hey they put people in jail in detroit for throwing things...not that far of a stretch.

[MoValley John]

I say just give them football scholly's at the University of Miami.

[Phantom]

oh yah, lets just chalk it up to kids being kids. And kids being stupid. Then its all forgivable and ok? I think not. What if one of those footballs had hit a player in the eye? OR actually had caused a riot, or more likely had more penalties called on them that would have affected the game. I know those are what ifs, but they are all plausible situation based on the actions of your students. You simply can not right it off as dumb kids. That gives them the green light to be "dumb" again. I can't believe ISU hasn't taken more action on this. Such as throwing kids out of school, or at least disciplining them. If I'm ISU, you have to send a message to your students this isn't acceptable. Otherwise it gives them once a again the green light to be dumb because there are no consequences. This is what is wrong with kids and society today. They aren't afraid of anything.

The entire situation stinks. It was embarrassing, unnecessary, and STUPID.

- STUPID for them to hand out the mini-footballs in the first place. ESPECIALLY for a high-intensity, high-emotion game like this.

- STUPID for SOME (not all, but SOME) idiots to disrespect the SIU team by throwing the balls at them not once, but several times.

Im pissed off and embarrassed about it, as Ive said here, on our board, AND on Salukitalk. There is no excuse for what happened and the stink of it is that a few idiots made us ALL look like jerks. I go to every game and stand right in the front row. The students that make up Id say the first 10 rows at every game are the diehard fans who never cause problems. We might heckle and yell really loud and all that but we're just trying to make it a tough environment. The people who sit higher up in the Zoo likely are NOT all diehards, and probably dont even go to every game. Alot of students are coming to games because now its "the thing to do". That may be great and im certainly never going to complain about having too much student support, but alot of our students simply have no clue whats going on. They dont follow our teams as religiously as some of us do. So they get drunk and treat the games like its a party. Which is fine, but its uniformed action on their part. They are not only drunk jackasses, they are ignorant of the game and have no clue how to behave. I cant single out any individuals (hard to do when you have 5,000+ students show up), but thats the impression many of us get. Now I admit, I enjoy alot of drinks during pregame/tailgate festivities, but Ill be damned if Im EVER out of hand like that.

What went down was really a classic case of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch. The handful of idiots throwing stuff is not an accurate representation WHATSOEVER of our student body, or fans in general. I understand that most SIU fans dont, cant, or wont believe that and thats their perogative. Every team's fans have had their run-ins with "bad" fans from other teams. It happens. Unfortunately this episode REALLY made us look bad. But I can promise you that the majority of ISU fans are NOT like that, and we DO respect our opponents, even heated rivals like SIU. Take that for what its worth, but its the truth.

[DawgieStyle]

The entire situation stinks. It was embarrassing, unnecessary, and STUPID.

- STUPID for them to hand out the mini-footballs in the first place. ESPECIALLY for a high-intensity, high-emotion game like this.

- STUPID for SOME (not all, but SOME) idiots to disrespect the SIU team by throwing the balls at them not once, but several times.

Im pissed off and embarrassed about it, as Ive said here, on our board, AND on Salukitalk. There is no excuse for what happened and the stink of it is that a few idiots made us ALL look like jerks. I go to every game and stand right in the front row. The students that make up Id say the first 10 rows at every game are the diehard fans who never cause problems. We might heckle and yell really loud and all that but we're just trying to make it a tough environment. The people who sit higher up in the Zoo likely are NOT all diehards, and probably dont even go to every game. Alot of students are coming to games because now its "the thing to do". That may be great and im certainly never going to complain about having too much student support, but alot of our students simply have no clue whats going on. They dont follow our teams as religiously as some of us do. So they get drunk and treat the games like its a party. Which is fine, but its uniformed action on their part. They are not only drunk jackasses, they are ignorant of the game and have no clue how to behave. I cant single out any individuals (hard to do when you have 5,000+ students show up), but thats the impression many of us get. Now I admit, I enjoy alot of drinks during pregame/tailgate festivities, but Ill be damned if Im EVER out of hand like that.

What went down was really a classic case of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch. The handful of idiots throwing stuff is not an accurate representation WHATSOEVER of our student body, or fans in general. I understand that most SIU fans dont, cant, or wont believe that and thats their perogative. Every team's fans have had their run-ins with "bad" fans from other teams. It happens. Unfortunately this episode REALLY made us look bad. But I can promise you that the majority of ISU fans are NOT like that, and we DO respect our opponents, even heated rivals like SIU. Take that for what its worth, but its the truth.

I don't have a prob with most ISU fans, and agree it was a few bad apples. What I don't like is people just tossing it aside and excusing their actions as stupid kid stuff. That's my biggest beef.

[Phantom]

I don't have a prob with most ISU fans, and agree it was a few bad apples. What I don't like is people just tossing it aside and excusing their actions as stupid kid stuff. That's my biggest beef.

I agree there and Im certainly not giving it the brush-off like that. I mean, it WAS stupid kid's stuff but thats certainly not the bottom line. Handing out those balls was a recipe for disaster right from the get-go and I cant believe they didnt see it coming. Give students stuff to throw, and at least SOMEBODY is gonna do it.

Myself and a group of about 10-15 others were the first ones into the Zoo (as usual), and I said to a few people jokingly "how long before somebody throws these on the field?" To which a friend replied "about 5 minutes". I figured some people would harmlessly lob some down into the end zone or something but firing them AT the other team was just plain DUMB. I even got yelled at by our own "security" and some marketing personnel for dropping F-bombs and screaming toward the top of the Zoo to stop throwing stuff. Then I had to explain I was yelling at our own students. Some idiots throw stuff at the other team and little action is taken, but I get slapped on the wrist for yelling at them :lol: The whole thing took some away from an otherwise enjoyable day.

If/What they plan on doing about this, Im not sure...but its certainly no joke. At least not to me.

[MSNSaluki]

Why don't we just chalk it up to a bad situation, forget about it and move on.

We've wasted far too much space on this subject. We got our asses kicked. End of subject. Next game.:salukis:

[REALBird]

Why don't we just chalk it up to a bad situation, forget about it and move on.

We got our asses kicked. End of subject. Next game.:salukis:

You got no complaints from me, you did get your asses kicked! I'm willing to savor the *** kicking for a second year in a row, and can only hope that this saga is a trilogy! :lol:

Gateway Wars III: Attack of the Drone!

Fall 2007

[STLRedbird]

Time for our Saluki friends to take a deeeeep breath. Our cheerleaders have used those giant slings to launch little red footballs into the stands where there are *gasp* women and children. And get this - the women and kids aren't wearing helmets and shoulder pads.

The students did not throw a single ball onto the field during the game. They threw them at Saluki players that were coming onto or leaving the field (1) after warmups (2) at the start of the game and (3) at halftime. Get a grip on yourself DawgieStyle.

[underdawg2]

yeh, abought time SIU gets ready for a home game with a tough WKU and the Birds--well the Birds better stop celebrating and get ready to play WIU, YSU and UNI away, and remember what happened to them after they beat us last year--good luck:original:

[DawgieStyle]

Time for our Saluki friends to take a deeeeep breath. Our cheerleaders have used those giant slings to launch little red footballs into the stands where there are *gasp* women and children. And get this - the women and kids aren't wearing helmets and shoulder pads.

The students did not throw a single ball onto the field during the game. They threw them at Saluki players that were coming onto or leaving the field (1) after warmups (2) at the start of the game and (3) at halftime. Get a grip on yourself DawgieStyle.

again more excuses as to why this ok to happen. Its not the point of what was thrown, its the point that anything was thrown at all. Its pathetic. A poor example for children and its a green light for those same students to do something even dumber if they aren't disciplined.

This is seperate issue now for me from the game, where yes, we got our butts beat. I man enough to admit that. I'm having a hard time hearing certain ISU fans rationalize what happened or making excuses. You can't do that. Especially if you already are a parent. And if your not, you're not on the road to being a good one some day if you do rationalize this or make an excuse for it.

This in general is the problem with kids and youth today. THEY AREN'T FREAKING DISCIPLINED! They aren't scared of anything. I'm not saying you should ever beat your kid, but you know what? A good spanking is a great thing once in a while. And when they reach the age of out growing a spanking, there is sure as hell a thing called grounded. Which never happens anymore. When they reach the age of college, hit the kids where it hurts, their pocket book. Fine them. Do something! This thing at ISU is a perfect example of what is wrong with kdis and society in general today. I'm not saying to expel the kids, but dang it

1) don't make excuses for them

2) don't rationalize what happened into something less

3) Discipline the kids.

It's time we take back our youth and society. When we were kids, would we have ever gotten away with this? No freaking way. Why do we let it happen now.

[STLRedbird]

again more excuses as to why this ok to happen. Its not the point of what was thrown, its the point that anything was thrown at all. Its pathetic. A poor example for children and its a green light for those same students to do something even dumber if they aren't disciplined.

This is seperate issue now for me from the game, where yes, we got our butts beat. I man enough to admit that. I'm having a hard time hearing certain ISU fans rationalize what happened or making excuses. You can't do that. Especially if you already are a parent. And if your not, you're not on the road to being a good one some day if you do rationalize this or make an excuse for it.

This in general is the problem with kids and youth today. THEY AREN'T FREAKING DISCIPLINED! They aren't scared of anything. I'm not saying you should ever beat your kid, but you know what? A good spanking is a great thing once in a while. And when they reach the age of out growing a spanking, there is sure as hell a thing called grounded. Which never happens anymore. When they reach the age of college, hit the kids where it hurts, their pocket book. Fine them. Do something! This thing at ISU is a perfect example of what is wrong with kdis and society in general today. I'm not saying to expel the kids, but dang it

1) don't make excuses for them

2) don't rationalize what happened into something less

3) Discipline the kids.

It's time we take back our youth and society. When we were kids, would we have ever gotten away with this? No freaking way. Why do we let it happen now.

I remember an ISU basketball game against Syracuse where a similar mistake was made. Do you remember superballs? If you do, I'm sure you remember the outrageous bounce these things had. I guess students 30 yrs ago lacked all of the discipline you say they need. Personally, I still chuckle at the images of those balls bouncin around. I expect that somewhere in the bowels of Horton Fieldhouse a superball still bounces. Lighten up Frances.

[STLRedbird]

You know what? Screw this. I'm not gonna wait for DawgieStyle to respond. He's apparently got the vapors over *gasp* ISU students throwing souvenir footballs at the Saluki players. Next thing you know he'll be putting his wrist to his forehead and feinting.

Bottom line? Yeah, we screwed up giving little red plastic footballs to the students. *gasp* <crumple> <recover conscienceness> It ain't that big a deal. Can you say 'holier than thou'?

[DawgieStyle]

You know what? Screw this. I'm not gonna wait for DawgieStyle to respond. He's apparently got the vapors over *gasp* ISU students throwing souvenir footballs at the Saluki players. Next thing you know he'll be putting his wrist to his forehead and feinting.

Bottom line? Yeah, we screwed up giving little red plastic footballs to the students. *gasp* <crumple> <recover conscienceness> It ain't that big a deal. Can you say 'holier than thou'?


We have a name for people like....enablers.

[REALBird]

How does the saying go? "The older I get, the better I was?"

I don't think anyone is making light of the situation. I don't think anything MORE can be said that hasn't already been said. IT WAS STUPID. IT WAS POOR JUDGEMENT. COACH JOHNSON apologized. Several Redbird fans apologized. And yet some have decided that a FEW bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch. As a parent, I discipline my child at times in an old school manner. It worked for me, and it's working for my kids.

Yet at times, my kids do things that I would have surely been spanked for, and I'm a bit more flexible and try to explain to them WHY they shouldn't do things at times. I spare the rod, and spoil my child.....if you will.

How I parent at home, and what example kids of today set are two totally different things. I was no saint myself, and I don't expect my kids will be perfect angels later in life. I would just hope that the same IRON CLAD JUSTICE you seek for these ISU kids is the same one you seek for the SIU kids who drive drunk. Who get into fights at apartment complexes. Who break windows at police stations. Who are allowed to transfer to SIU when they were accused of sexual assualt at their previous schools.

We can all be principled to a certain degree and point fingers about what we deem acceptable behavior or not. Just as I'm sure those SIU athletes who did the above things were given a second chance, all I ask is that you consider that these are 18-22 year old kids....SOME full of liquor, some NOT who embarrased themselves and ISU.

Noone is condoning their actions, but I would ask that you not generalize ALL ISU fans on the basis of ONE or TWO sections of a stadium of 17,000.

I WILL rationalize that in spite of their actions......NOONE got hurt. And if Coach Kill hasn't PUBLICALLY griped and moaned about the situation, then you need to get off your high horse and just accept the good old fashion @$$ kicking and move on.

If your coach is the man I think he is.....he's already talked to his kids about remembering this day, and using it for fuel next year when we return to Carbondale. If SIU runs it up on us next year because of the actions of our students, I'd say they'd be well within their rights. Karma is a Biatch!

Now can we please let this subject R.I.P.? This horse is DEAD and I'm sure we're all tired of beating it.:nopity:

[DawgieStyle]

It ain't that big a deal.

Right there is exactly what I'm talking about. You are the problem. People like you are the problem.

[DawgieStyle]

How does the saying go? "The older I get, the better I was?"

I don't think anyone is making light of the situation. I don't think anything MORE can be said that hasn't already been said. IT WAS STUPID. IT WAS POOR JUDGEMENT. COACH JOHNSON apologized. Several Redbird fans apologized. And yet some have decided that a FEW bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch. As a parent, I discipline my child at times in an old school manner. It worked for me, and it's working for my kids.

Yet at times, my kids do things that I would have surely been spanked for, and I'm a bit more flexible and try to explain to them WHY they shouldn't do things at times. I spare the rod, and spoil my child.....if you will.

How I parent at home, and what example kids of today set are two totally different things. I was no saint myself, and I don't expect my kids will be perfect angels later in life. I would just hope that the same IRON CLAD JUSTICE you seek for these ISU kids is the same one you seek for the SIU kids who drive drunk. Who get into fights at apartment complexes. Who break windows at police stations. Who are allowed to transfer to SIU when they were accused of sexual assualt at their previous schools.

We can all be principled to a certain degree and point fingers about what we deem acceptable behavior or not. Just as I'm sure those SIU athletes who did the above things were given a second chance, all I ask is that you consider that these are 18-22 year old kids....SOME full of liquor, some NOT who embarrased themselves and ISU.

Noone is condoning their actions, but I would ask that you not generalize ALL ISU fans on the basis of ONE or TWO sections of a stadium of 17,000.

I WILL rationalize that in spite of their actions......NOONE got hurt. And if Coach Kill hasn't PUBLICALLY griped and moaned about the situation, then you need to get off your high horse and just accept the good old fashion @$$ kicking and move on.

If your coach is the man I think he is.....he's already talked to his kids about remembering this day, and using it for fuel next year when we return to Carbondale. If SIU runs it up on us next year because of the actions of our students, I'd say they'd be well within their rights. Karma is a Biatch!

Now can we please let this subject R.I.P.? This horse is DEAD and I'm sure we're all tired of beating it.:nopity:

Several things. 1) I don't think those students represent most ISU fans. 2) I admitted we got our butts kicked 3) I stated this is now a seperate issue from the game for me 4) If 18-22 year olds were drunk as you say, first you've got under age idiots. Secondly being drunk is no excuse, in fact it makes the whole situation worse in my opinon. 5) I do hold the same standards of SIU kids. I think Tatum is a moron. He's our moron, but he's an idiot and I'm pissed as hell some kid who gets a free college ed can't simply go to class, play ball and stay out of trouble. Its not that hard. 6) if you believe your parenting is working for you, thats great. I'm happy for you and your children. 7) I won't stop beating this dead horse until certain ISU fans stop saying this wasn't a big deal, or they were simply dumb college kids and thats what dumb college kids do.

[STLRedbird]

This wasn't a big a deal.

[STLRedbird]

Oh,no. Wait a minute. I've got the vapors. (wrist to forehead) (crumple)

[redbirdtim]

Dawgie,

So, I assume your are circulating a petition to have Tatum thrown out of school?

All though, if this is your suggestion for throwing a mini football "I can't believe ISU hasn't taken more action on this. Such as throwing kids out of school, or at least disciplining them."...then I'm assuming you're going to want Tatum to get the death penalty. I don't know anyone who has died from getting hit with a mini football, but I do know people who have from drunk driving.

Also, I do remember what happened last year after we beat you, we took down UNI 38-3 in the very next game.

[cpacmel]

3) Discipline the kids.

It's time we take back our youth and society. When we were kids, would we have ever gotten away with this? No freaking way. Why do we let it happen now.

Like C-Lo has done with Tatum? 2 DUI's??

How tough is that punishment for him, 3 games (2 of which are exhibition games, and the other one is a DIII game)???

How about cleaning up your backyard before you worry about what's going down in my backyard?

[cpacmel]

We have a name for people like....enablers.

Is Coach Lowery an enabler then?

[DawgieStyle]

Is Coach Lowery an enabler then?

Yep. I agree with all you've said of tatum. I'd kick him off the team.

[MSNSaluki]

Like C-Lo has done with Tatum? 2 DUI's??

How tough is that punishment for him, 3 games (2 of which are exhibition games, and the other one is a DIII game)???

How about cleaning up your backyard before you worry about what's going down in my backyard?

Just to be clear, Jamaal Tatum has only been arrested for DUI once. Jamaal Foster was arrested once. Too many Jamaals, so it could be confusing.

Now, resume your bickering.:sleeping:

[ISUMatt]

Cant we all just get along???

[skinny_uncle]

Cant we all just get along???
Maybe a group hug, Matt?
http://bestsmileys.com/hugging/3.gif

[cpacmel]

Just to be clear, Jamaal Tatum has only been arrested for DUI once. Jamaal Foster was arrested once. Too many Jamaals, so it could be confusing.

Now, resume your bickering.:sleeping:


Your right, my bad it wasn't his 2nd DUI, but it was his 2nd arrest since he has been at SIU:

http://newshound.de.siu.edu/spring04/discuss/msgReader$852

[MSNSaluki]

Your right, my bad it wasn't his 2nd DUI, but it was his 2nd arrest since he has been at SIU:

http://newshound.de.siu.edu/spring04/discuss/msgReader$852

No prob.
I just want the trash talking to be done with a correct set of facts.:original:

[Phantom]

No prob.
I just want the trash talking to be done with a correct set of facts.:original:

I just want all the trash to stop period :lol: Granted, there will ALWAYS be trash talkin/friendly jabs/animosity, etc between our 2 schools in all sports. Thats what in-state rivals do. Thats to be expected and it makes games all that much better.

That being said, I absolutey DO NOT want either team to hold either team's fans in a bad light. All teams have what others percieve to be "bad fans". I think we've all been guilty of this in the past to some degree or another. The real bottom line is basically this: We dont particularly like SIU, and they dont like us. That is IN NO WAY saying that we shouldnt respect each other. SOME of our students didnt show that respect last week, and some of us are embarrassed, pissed off and apologetic about it. That being said, from an ISU student and 10000% diehard Redbird fan, I dont want the reputation of Redbird fans as a whole being tarnished by the actions of a few morons. Rivalry or not, hatred or not, there is a line and I know some Redbird fans have crossed it. Im sure some ISU fans can say the same about SIU...so can any school about any other school's fans. Especially when your talkin about students, which in college, students more often than not create the atmosphere. With that comes potential problems. Im not in any way sugarcoating last weekend's debacle, but its the truth. Everyone has "bad" fans. Fans of other teams may encounter, and have issues with said "bad" fans. It happens. Thats sports for ya (especially college sports). That being said, theres still no excuse for what some of our students did. I know its becoming a dead horse by now, and most of you know where I stand on this.

Yes, ISU/SIU are rivals, No, they dont like each other and never will, but sportsmanship and respect HAS to come into play. I just wish more students on our side wouldve shown some.