Indiana State Football

[Johnnyb2]

so, theyre bad...really bad...

i keep hearing on this board and others that if they go 0-11 again the program is gone, is this true?

If so what would happen to the kids on scholarship, and what does this mean for the conference?

[cpacmel]

I'll chime in. I don't think Indy State football is going anywhere...even if they go 0-11.

If Indiana State decided to give up football, players on schollie would be out of luck. Schollies are 1 year deals, and that's it.

As far as the conference goes.....WKU is on the verge of leaving as well.

I think we need 7 teams to keep our automatic bid. We could raid the OVC and take back EIU or invite the Dakota's to come on down.

But I believe this is mute, as I don't think Indiana State is going anywhere.
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Now Head Coach West....that is another story.

[ISUBob]

The program has been dying a slow death for years. They have no money, and fans just do not care anymore about Sycamore football. You have to have butts in the seats, and good facilities (money), to have a program that we can win with. In addition, they give very few scholorships to out of state players due to the higher tuition fee. Coaches are just spares who are looking for a job that cannot find one, and usually leave after the first year (guess :helpsmilie: what? They have no money to pay them a decent salary). It is just a snowball effect, and we just need to put this baby to bed, and lets put are dollars into the basketball program.

[Fraydog]

You can turn it around. No one thought that SIU could... just raise the fees. After all, the students are there anyway. :lol:

[skinny_uncle]

They have a shot at Misery State. With the Bear's QB situation, the Trees might pull it off.

[ISU87]

I was wondering about that game, Misery State vs. a team in a state of Misery. Should be a comedy of errors and little defense. It will be ISU's ONLY shot at a "w" in 2006

They have a shot at Misery State. With the Bear's QB situation, the Trees might pull it off.

[WSUfan]

You can turn it around. No one thought that SIU could... just raise the fees. After all, the students are there anyway. :lol:
SIU students love paying (more and more) fees?? :confused1: :confused1:

[unipnthr]

Well, I guess we don't have to worry about them going 0-11... haha.

[ISU87]

we can only hope the end is near for ISU FB, with dreadful support (like this photo from the UNI game at ISU courtesy of a UNI fan by the way) the program makes NO money and loses money faster than anything. Come on ISU, pull the plug! There are too many ISU fans who want basketball to get back to the top of the MVC!

http://media.panthernation.com/albums/2006+Football/311.aspx

[SubGod22]

That's sad. My HS has had crappy teams for pretty much its entire existance and they draw a hell of a lot better than that. Maybe they should pull the plug.

[ISUBob]

we can only hope the end is near for ISU FB, with dreadful support (like this photo from the UNI game at ISU courtesy of a UNI fan by the way) the program makes NO money and loses money faster than anything. Come on ISU, pull the plug! There are too many ISU fans who want basketball to get back to the top of the MVC!

http://media.panthernation.com/albums/2006+Football/311.aspx

Man, when I see that picture, it looks like more band members were there then fans. Just pathetic!!:sleeping:

[Panthera Pardus]

There are too many ISU fans who want basketball to get back to the top of the MVC!

Look, I respect your opinion, but I'm going to have to disagree. Indiana State dumping football will not bring on success in basketball. That's incredibly specious reasoning. Just because a struggling program is eliminated doesn't mean that success will suddenly come to the Men's Basketball Program. There are attendance problems in football and a lot of this has to do with the fact that the product on the field is incredibly inferior. The men's basketball program has been down for the last three or so years and as a result attendance has been struggling there, too... where are all of these fans and this support going to come from? Yes, it's likely that some money will be freed up. There's nothing allowing Indiana State's AD to take that money and concentrate it all on men's basketball, Title IX would prohibit that. There's also nothing saying that donations will suddenly increase either, since it seems there has been no support for the football program up until this point anyway.

Basically, my point is this: if Indiana State is doing this to avoid a huge drain on finances, then that is completely understandable. But getting rid of football to boost the men's basketball program doesn't seem like a good way of doing business.

That being said... Indiana State's football program is a nightmare, and something DOES need to be done.

[BearsCountry]

Look, I respect your opinion, but I'm going to have to disagree. Indiana State dumping football will not bring on success in basketball. That's incredibly specious reasoning. Just because a struggling program is eliminated doesn't mean that success will suddenly come to the Men's Basketball Program. There are attendance problems in football and a lot of this has to do with the fact that the product on the field is incredibly inferior. The men's basketball program has been down for the last three or so years and as a result attendance has been struggling there, too... where are all of these fans and this support going to come from? Yes, it's likely that some money will be freed up. There's nothing allowing Indiana State's AD to take that money and concentrate it all on men's basketball, Title IX would prohibit that. There's also nothing saying that donations will suddenly increase either, since it seems there has been no support for the football program up until this point anyway.

Basically, my point is this: if Indiana State is doing this to avoid a huge drain on finances, then that is completely understandable. But getting rid of football to boost the men's basketball program doesn't seem like a good way of doing business.

That being said... Indiana State's football program is a nightmare, and something DOES need to be done.

I agree with that.

[ISUBob]

Look, I respect your opinion, but I'm going to have to disagree. Indiana State dumping football will not bring on success in basketball. That's incredibly specious reasoning. Just because a struggling program is eliminated doesn't mean that success will suddenly come to the Men's Basketball Program. There are attendance problems in football and a lot of this has to do with the fact that the product on the field is incredibly inferior. The men's basketball program has been down for the last three or so years and as a result attendance has been struggling there, too... where are all of these fans and this support going to come from? Yes, it's likely that some money will be freed up. There's nothing allowing Indiana State's AD to take that money and concentrate it all on men's basketball, Title IX would prohibit that. There's also nothing saying that donations will suddenly increase either, since it seems there has been no support for the football program up until this point anyway.

Basically, my point is this: if Indiana State is doing this to avoid a huge drain on finances, then that is completely understandable. But getting rid of football to boost the men's basketball program doesn't seem like a good way of doing business.

That being said... Indiana State's football program is a nightmare, and something DOES need to be done.

Yes, you kinda have a point. Hopefully are new AD will get us in the right direction. Sure wish Larry Bird would help out some. Maybe get involved with a fund raiser or something.:helpsmilie:

[ISU87]

PP, nowhere did I say that dropping FB will bring immediate success to ISU BB, the university is in serious financial trouble (amongst other things) and is losing money hand over foot with that FB team. All I am hopeful of is that if they do drop the FB program then the other programs at the school (men and women's) will benefit in the same way WSU, Drake, Bradley, Evansville, and Creighton have done without FB programs. I don't know how long it would take? If the dak. schools get into the GFC I seriously think there are going to be some MAJOR changes at ISU with the FB team though. (from what I have heard).

in the meantime, it's back to normal today, getting crushed by WKU.


Look, I respect your opinion, but I'm going to have to disagree. Indiana State dumping football will not bring on success in basketball. That's incredibly specious reasoning. Just because a struggling program is eliminated doesn't mean that success will suddenly come to the Men's Basketball Program. There are attendance problems in football and a lot of this has to do with the fact that the product on the field is incredibly inferior. The men's basketball program has been down for the last three or so years and as a result attendance has been struggling there, too... where are all of these fans and this support going to come from? Yes, it's likely that some money will be freed up. There's nothing allowing Indiana State's AD to take that money and concentrate it all on men's basketball, Title IX would prohibit that. There's also nothing saying that donations will suddenly increase either, since it seems there has been no support for the football program up until this point anyway.

Basically, my point is this: if Indiana State is doing this to avoid a huge drain on finances, then that is completely understandable. But getting rid of football to boost the men's basketball program doesn't seem like a good way of doing business.

That being said... Indiana State's football program is a nightmare, and something DOES need to be done.

[BearsCountry]

If you think the money you spend on football will magically appear with other sports good luck. More than not it will just be cutting that cost off the board.

[SubGod22]

The NCAA hurt WSU not football. I can't speak for the other schools you brought up. I hope bringing back football starts to get a good push over the next couple of years. Hopefully it works. So maybe ISU could just hang on to thier football program until WSU is ready to step in and take your place :grin:

[WSUfan]

The NCAA hurt WSU not football. I can't speak for the other schools you brought up. I hope bringing back football starts to get a good push over the next couple of years. Hopefully it works. So maybe ISU could just hang on to thier football program until WSU is ready to step in and take your place :grin:

WSU is not bringing football back. Unless someone donates a LOT of money (a hundred million or so??). Having football on a sound and profitable basis would be great. In the real world, WSU football is dead. It's all about the money.

[shocky]

I would hate to see ISU drop football, because once you do it...well, see WSU. It seems to me that ISU has trouble with attendance across the board, not just football. Maybe the new AD can turn things around for the Trees. My impression is that ISU doesn't get good support even when they win. I recall when the Trees won the Valley a few years back. I've forgotten who they played that day, but what really suprised me was that the Hulman Center wasn't even sold out. Larry Bird was at the game, first title in years and a program on the rise with no sell out. I was thinking how weak that was. Anyways, I really hope ISU does not give up on football and Waltman gets the basketball team on track, except when they play the Shox. :sycamores: :shockers: :valley:

[galojay]

In 1992, the Board of Regents at Western Kentucky University took a vote to eliminate football. The measure failed by ONE vote. Fast forward just 10 years later and WKU was in Chattanooga tearing the goal posts down having won the I-AA National Championship. Fast forward to today and this Thursday the Board of Regents are again discussing WKU Football, only this time they are voting to elevate WKU football to I-A. The move is expected to be approved.

Anything can happen, keep your heads up Sycamores!

[ISUBob]

In 1992, the Board of Regents at Western Kentucky University took a vote to eliminate football. The measure failed by ONE vote. Fast forward just 10 years later and WKU was in Chattanooga tearing the goal posts down having won the I-AA National Championship. Fast forward to today and this Thursday the Board of Regents are again discussing WKU Football, only this time they are voting to elevate WKU football to I-A. The move is expected to be approved.

Anything can happen, keep your heads up Sycamores!

Hopefully we can hang on. It is more of a money issue than losing.

[-Z-]

Does WKU get the attendance to be a IA school?
You have to average 15,000 over a rolling two-year period. Right now there are several MAC school fighing to keep their IA status because they can't pull people in and they're bigger schools than WKU and are located in areas with more population. Ball State, Eastern Michigan are two that are in that trouble. BSU is between Indy and Fort Wayne and EMU is between Ann Arbor and Detroit, both just 1 hour drives away from the bigger towns, but they can't pull people in. Even with all kinds of crazy promotions.
I think this would be a tough move for WKU. I'd like to see all the WKU sports in the MVC. They would be a great add for mens/womens basketball. Is their baseball and track teams any good?

[SubGod22]

But some of those schools are located between or near other "big" programs that will take away from them. I'm not sure what it looks like for WKU in that sense as I don't have a good feel for where other school are located in comparison.

[galojay]

WKU track is consistently good, both men's and women's. Baseball won the 2003 Sun Belt championship but is usually just decent, but SBC is a top 5 baseball conference.

Attendance is a fair concern. Administration feels good that they can do what it takes to make the numbers work.

If an invite to MVC was on the table, I'd be curious to see what WKU did.