Creighton at Fresno State - Game Thread

[jaypharmalum]

Jays look to win their first road game at Fresno State tonight. I'll take Creighton and the points.

[OmahaBen]

Jays look to win their first road game at Fresno State tonight. I'll take Creighton and the points.

Ugly start early, as Creighton's had about four shots blocked and Fresno's turned it over 3 times already.

Dogs up 5-3, 1st media timeout.

[jaypharmalum]

11-3 Fresno - ugly start for the Jays. Only basket was a Funk 3-ball that hit every piece of the rim and backboard before going down.

Getting dominated inside - every shot is blocked and Fresno is bombing threes.

[OmahaBen]

now 11-3 Dogs as they make back to back 3's while Creighton continues to pound it inside to no avail.

Funk with the Jays only points.

[Aargh]

Now 11-3 after a 9-0 FrSt run.

[jaypharmalum]

14-5. Geesh, this looks like crap.

[OmahaBen]

Funk's the only one doing anything for the Jays early on.

[bcrawf]

Poor day for the Valley, Save it for us Jays...

[jaypharmalum]

19-8 Fresno. My God, this team has no conscience.. just throwing up threes in transition and hitting 'em all (it seems to this Jays fan).

CU needs to get in control. Funk's is forcing right now.

[OmahaBen]

wow, lots of empty seats at Fresno for a Saturday night with an 8-1 team.

[Aargh]

FrSt with 9 points on fast breaks?

That's gotta leave a mark.

[jaypharmalum]

22-9 Fresno. Think they've made 6 three pointers.

[jaypharmalum]

Jesus -another 3. Where's the freaking defense?

7 threes for Fresno.

[Aargh]

I'm not saying it's not the plan, but it seems CU is taking some difficult shots awfully early in the possession on too many possessions.

[OmahaBen]

that foul on Tolliver was weak, especially since the ref who called it was looking through traffic while the two with clear views didn't see a thing.

[jaypharmalum]

25-12 Fresno at the 8:00 break.

[jaypharmalum]

31-14 - eight three pointers for Fresno.

[cuhoops]

sorry valley:helpsmilie: :banghead:

[Rasputin]

We suck.

[bcrawf]

We are having the same set of feelings in CF tonight...

[Bradleyfan]

Come on Creighton. Get off the snide! :angry:

:jays: :valley:

[shocker3]

It aint over yet. Fire up Creighton. You can still pull this thng out.:jays: :valley:

[Aargh]

It's way too early to write this one off.

Close the gap a bit before halftime and then win the second half.

[jaypharmalum]

Frenso has "cooled off" - Jays down 15.

[jaypharmalum]

Jays with a little run before half and cut the lead to 35-26 at the break.

[shocker3]

9 points is a very managable half time deficit.

Dana just needs to right things during half-time. Hopefully the Jays will come out of the halftime strong and cut the deficit right away.:valley: :jays:

[Aargh]

About ready for the second half.

Go, Jays. Open up with a small run. 6 - 0 coming off the break and then the first half problems are just a memory.

[shockball]

36-30.:jays:

[Aargh]

Are CU's radio announcers total homers who complain about officiating A LOT? Or are they generally known to be at least "reasonably" objective?

They call a good game and keep it interesting, but are spending about 1/3 of their air time discussing the officials - and not in a good way.

[shockball]

39-34. This sounds like J's game.

[OmahaBen]

Are CU's radio announcers total homers who complain about officiating A LOT? Or are they generally known to be at least "reasonably" objective?

They call a good game and keep it interesting, but are spending about 1/3 of their air time discussing the officials - and not in a good way.

Two of Tolliver's fouls have been absolute horse****. Especially that last blocking foul.

[Rasputin]

47-38 FSU

This team is painful to watch...

[jaypharmalum]

My God - the threes are raining on us again. Jays getting outplayed.
53-43 Fresno.

[Rasputin]

My God - the threes are raining on us again. Jays getting outplayed.
53-43 Fresno.

Hmmmm, we haven't seen THAT before. Strange how everybody that CU plays becomes a dynamite 3-ball club.

Jeezus...

[OmahaBen]

At least none of the Jays have suckerpunched anyone like Carmelo Anthony did tonight...

Next MJ my ***...

[jaypharmalum]

57-46 Fresno w/6 mins to play. Jays just don't look very good tonight.

This team is going to bum me out.

[OmahaBen]

I am sick of the weakside official calling fouls when the two other refs right on top of the play don't call a thing. That's the 3rd or 4th time that's happened, and at least twice he's done it despite having plenty of bodies between him and the supposed foul.

[Rasputin]

Jays were chipping away...for about 1 minute.

Can't hit FT's

Dana insist's on taking 30 seconds off every possession, even though they should be playing with a sense of urgency

Can't hit open shots

Can't play perimeter defense

Lots of standing around

This is not good basketball. We have good athletes, FRICKIN USE them. Something has to change, I am not buying into Dana's "system" so far this year.

EDIT: Get Pierce Hibma out of the game, hell, take away his scholarship, he is not a D-1 player.

[Michigan J. Frog]

what kind of crowd and atmosphere at FSU?

[outpost]

Fresno State vs. Wichita State in Bracket Busters?

Or maybe Nevada.....

Look forward to hosting either one at Koch this February. :yes:

[jaypharmalum]

Game summed up in 10 secs. Tolliver cuts the lead to 8, Jays steal the inbounds on the trap.. have a 4-1 man advantage under the Fresno basket. CU screws it up and it turns into an uncontested dunk for Fresno to make i a 10 point game.

[OmahaBen]

Miles has looked like a freshman tonight, not a real solid game, and Porter may get props for hitting those free throws against Xavier, but he looks lost and out of control out there tonight.
At this point, Altman should put Sitzman in. He couldn't do any worse...

[Rasputin]

Fresno State vs. Wichita State in Bracket Busters?

Or maybe Nevada.....

Look forward to hosting either one at Koch this February. :yes:

You guys would beat Fresno by 20+, they are not a good team. CU just makes them look good.

[cuhoops]

Fresno State vs. Wichita State in Bracket Busters?

Or maybe Nevada.....

Look forward to hosting either one at Koch this February. :yes:

fresno state isn't a good basketball team, creighton is just that bad.

[Aargh]

Fresno State vs. Wichita State in Bracket Busters?

Or maybe Nevada.....

Look forward to hosting either one at Koch this February. :yes:

Both those schools have home games in BB.

61-49 - crap. CU made a little run, but FrSt stopped it and answered it immediately.

[bcrawf]

Is there a link to the Home/Away Bracket Buster teams?...

[jaypharmalum]

Haed to bed Valley fans.. this one is over.

Fresno by 15 with 2 mins to play. Sorry again.

[Rasputin]

Can't wait for the post-game comments...Should be cliche city.

Sorry Dana, it's time to start earning your salary. This team is not getting better and watching your "system" bores the hell out of me.

[outpost]

Cool. One post gets three consecutive reactions.

Is that a ValleyTalk trey then? Mark it down!!

I don't know who is road and who is home. I know we had a home game last year, but MT had mentioned something about Wichita State possibly hosting again this year. And after we stepped up and played the road games, I think he's absolutely right.

Oh well, back to the action......:jays: :valley:

Edit - Never mind, looks grim.

[Aargh]

Did I just hear that Funk is 1-9 for the game and the 8 shots he's missed have all been wide-open 3's? That's what I thought the radio guys said.

[jaypharmalum]

69-54 Final.

Funk may have been 1-9 on 3's. I think he scored in double digits.

[Rasputin]

http://www.nebraskagolfclassic.com/img/celeb/dana_altman.jpg

So, Dana, what is it like having the most underachieving basketball team in the country?

"Gosh, well, we knew it would be tough, xxxx is an awfully good team"

"We just need to get better"

"We just need to get healthy"

How much time do you need? A week of practice to get blown out by Dayton. A week of practice to get blown out by Fresno. Gosh, golly, you aren't doing something right! At least a fan could expect to see subtle, slow improvement over that time. I think we are getting WORSE.

[Aargh]

0-13 from 3 in the second half?

I don't mean to be rubbing it in. That's just an amazing stat.

[outpost]

Injuries guys, injuries. Tough to get a team to gel if someone goes down and hurts the chemistry, depth, rotation, etc........

Take it easy on yourselves, you're being a bit tough....especially on Dana.

Dana does not deserve the K-State treatment. Get the guys healed up and regroup.

I still fear and respect Creighton. Throw out any argument I participated in this past summer.

[jaypharmalum]

I'm not going to blame injuries anymore. Funk isn't playing well and either is Dotzler, but there are enough either guys who can play this game. We're not pulling guys out of intramural leagues to fill their spots, so I won't blame injuries again.

I'm hopeful that the season improved dramatically... preferably by 12/30 when MSU comes to Omaha to start the MVC schedule. My level of optimism is waning at the moment, however.

[cuhoops]

i love dana and don't ever want to see him leave. it's hard to win when your guys just can't execute and make shots. Dana wasn't the one throwing the ball away,turning it over, or missing wide open threes(isn't altman's "system" the thing that got nate 9 friggin wide open 3's?) Altman isn't the problem, the players are.

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

Altman has underachieved for a long time. 2-6 in the tourney is just one example of this. It isnt that CU has gotten worse, its just that the rest of the valley has gotten better, the expectation level is higher and CU has not improved over the last 4-5 seasons.

Altman is still one of the best coaches in the valley, but i think you have to wonder what is going on in omaha. Get it right and fast CU.

[jaypharmalum]

Altman has underachieved for a long time. 2-6 in the tourney is just one example of this. It isnt that CU has gotten worse, its just that the rest of the valley has gotten better, the expectation level is higher and CU has not improved over the last 4-5 seasons.

Altman is still one of the best coaches in the valley, but i think you have to wonder what is going on in omaha. Get it right and fast CU.


Other than the upset loss to Central Michigan, Creighton was a worse seed in all NCAA games. Having won 2 isn't too bad. Sure we'd like more, but let's not get carried away.

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

i love dana and don't ever want to see him leave. it's hard to win when your guys just can't execute and make shots. Dana wasn't the one throwing the ball away,turning it over, or missing wide open threes(isn't altman's "system" the thing that got nate 9 friggin wide open 3's?) Altman isn't the problem, the players are.

I didnt watch the game so i cant comment on it, but at some point Altman has to take some flack for never getting over the hump. Fresno St and Nebraska suck, these are bad losses no matter how you slice it. If its the players fault, its still Altmans fault because he recruited the stiffs. CU still has a lot of talent and may still pull this around, but i think Altman has spent all of his free pass on criticism a long time ago, some of the blame has to fall on the coach at some pt.

[skinny_uncle]

fresno state isn't a good basketball team, creighton is just that bad.
Fresno just got to 9-1 with this win.

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

Other than the upset loss to Central Michigan, Creighton was a worse seed in all NCAA games. Having won 2 isn't too bad. Sure we'd like more, but let's not get carried away.

1-4 as a 10 seed. Thats underperforming as 7-10 matchups are basically toss ups. (If you dont believe me check the trash talk thread, 10 seeds win their 1st round 40% of the time and there is a link about this i wont bother to relink here)CU hasnt gotten better since 2002, if anything they have gotten worse, at some point you have to start assesing why, and Dana is probably part of the reason.

[WSUbballer]

It isnt that CU has gotten worse, its just that the rest of the valley has gotten better, the expectation level is higher and CU has not improved over the last 4-5 seasons.


Uhh, how can you compare Creighton to the rest of the Valley right now without them even playing anyone in it so far? Let's not jump to conclusions to quick. Ya, this is a sucky loss, but it's not the end of January or anything. If I remember correctly, last year CU had 3 losses by the end of December, one at a horrible Chattanooga team, one at Illinois State, and a blowout loss at DePaul. Interestingly they went on to tie for second in the league and was bascially a Valley tourney win away from an NCAA.

Would I be concerned? Yes. Would I be ready to abandon ship? No.

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

Fresno just got to 9-1 with this win.

Uh yes they are a powerhouse with wins over

Winston Salem
S Alabama
UC Irvine
USF
Montana St
Oregon St (barely)
Montana St again

and a huge loss to UC Santa Barbara by 28

Its safe to say Fresno is horrible. This is not a good loss at all and it was by 15.

[Bradleyfan]

Ouch! Definately one of the most disappointing losses of the year so far in the Valley. HOWEVER, CU should get an easy home win against Valparaiso next week, and it's possible that they could start the Valley schedule 2-0 with home wins against Missouri St and Evansville, though Missouri St will admittedly be tough.

Dissappointing OOC record so far, and it would be interesting to see where the Valley RPI would be if Creighton at least splits one of those two games against Dayton and Fresno St. However, it is still FAR too early to write the season off just yet. Just beat Valpo, and take it from there one step at a time.

:jays: :valley:

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

Uhh, how can you compare Creighton to the rest of the Valley right now without them even playing anyone in it so far? Let's not jump to conclusions to quick. Ya, this is a sucky loss, but it's not the end of January or anything. If I remember correctly, last year CU had 3 losses by the end of December, one at a horrible Chattanooga team, one at Illinois State, and a blowout loss at DePaul? Interestingly they went on to tie for second in the league and was bascially a Valley tourney win away from an NCAA?

Would I be concerned? Yes. Would I be ready to abandon ship? No.


Fresno this year is not as good as any of these teams, they lost to UC Santa Barbara by 28. Their wins are all cupcakes. And CU lost to Nebraska whose next best win is against N Texas. Lets not kid ourselves into thinking something isnt horribly wrong in Omaha right now.

[mproviz]

creighton sucks...

[WSUbballer]

Fresno this year is not as good as any of these teams, they lost to UC Santa Barbara by 28. Their wins are all cupcakes. And CU lost to Nebraska whose next best win is against N Texas. Lets not kid ourselves into thinking something isnt horribly wrong in Omaha right now.

Uh, you don't know for a fact that Fresno was better or worse than anyone of those from last year. The point is is that they have had a similar start as last years. What remains to be seen is if they follow suit similarily, do better, or worse. Again, I agree things aren't looking the best. But to simply judge a team in the middle of December is ludicrous.

[LincolnJay]

Valpo is in Hawaii in a tournament.

You're right, Creighton is bad right now. Funk was wide open on all those three's and most barely drew iron and the one that went in was a lucky clank off the rim, hit the backboard high and fell in. He's killing the team right now taking so many shots that are for all intents and purposes, turnovers.

Dotzler is a shell of himself and Nick Porter is absolutely is terrible.

Tolliver and Watts were decent inside but Fresno blocked something like a dozen shots and had everyone intimidated. They are simply not a good team - it's like watching a summer league team. They just shot it well tonight. They will lose plenty of games this year. 12-2 last year at home and 15-13 overall and I would think the same thing will happen this year.

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

Im not trying to come down on CU, i want CU to suceed in every ooc game they play. To come home to this is just shocking. Something is not right in Omaha and i hope it gets fixed soon. For several years we have turned a blind eye to the stagnation occuring with CU's program because of past success. Its ugly to really see this kind of a start, Nebraska and Fresno are likely horrible teams, it really makes you wonder whether dana is capable of taking his team any farther than he already has(which by the way is damn far, i just wonder if he has maxed out what is possible in omaha)

[Jayfan]

creighton sucks...

agreed

[LincolnJay]

Im not trying to come down on CU, i want CU to suceed in every ooc game they play. To come home to this is just shocking. Something is not right in Omaha and i hope it gets fixed soon. For several years we have turned a blind eye to the stagnation occuring with CU's program because of past success. Its ugly to really see this kind of a start, Nebraska and Fresno are likely horrible teams, it really makes you wonder whether dana is capable of taking his team any farther than he already has(which by the way is damn far, i just wonder if he has maxed out what is possible in omaha)

This is so stupid as to defy description. Just shut off your computer and go to bed you f****** flamer.

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

Uh, you don't know for a fact that Fresno was better or worse than anyone of those from last year. The point is is that they have had a similar start as last years. What remains to be seen is if they follow suit similarily, do better, or worse. Again, I agree things aren't looking the best. But to simply judge a team in the middle of December is ludicrous.

They lost by 15 and from what i read were not really in the game. Fresno lost to UC Santa Barbara by 28 and have one of the most pitiful schedules in college basketball so far, i think its safe to say they are a bad team who would not come close to avoiding friday in STL.

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

This is so stupid as to defy description. Just shut off your computer and go to bed you f****** flamer.


Yes its really stupid, Dana is clearly building a national power in omaha...

[LincolnJay]

They lost by 15 and from what i read were not really in the game. Fresno lost to UC Santa Barbara by 28 and have one of the most pitiful schedules in college basketball so far, i think its safe to say they are a bad team who would not come close to avoiding friday in STL.

And Oral Roberts beat Kansas, and Kansas beat bla, bla, bla,bla, bla and Florida International beat Citadel so the Shockers should beat the Miami Heat.

Go back to being Coldblooded. At least you were mildly funny under that name.

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

And Oral Roberts beat Kansas, and Kansas beat bla, bla, bla,bla, bla and Florida International beat Citadel so the Shockers should beat the Miami Heat.

Go back to being Coldblooded. At least you were mildly funny under that name.

Seriously look at Fresno's schedule and then get back to me. It is easily one of the worst schedules in MCB. You are kidding yourself to think losing by 15 to these guys is anything but a major setback.

http://www.kenpom.com/sked.php?team=Fresno%20St.

[Bradleyfan]

Valpo is in Hawaii in a tournament.

Yeah, my bad! I just realized that. Not only do they play in the Outrigger Hotels Rainbow Classic, they play Valpo on Thursday, not Tuesday.

Anyway, it would do Creighton a world of good if they could win that tournament. It certainly is winnable, with Charlotte, Houston and Hawaii far and away the toughest teams in the field.

Heck, Creighton may even earn a rematch against Nebraska! :original:

:jays: :valley:

[cuhoops]

Seriously look at Fresno's schedule and then get back to me. It is easily one of the worst schedules in MCB. You are kidding yourself to think losing by 15 to these guys is anything but a major setback.

http://www.kenpom.com/sked.php?team=Fresno%20St.

we get it, we suck, leave it alone.

[Aargh]

courtSTORMER is definitely not Cold.

Cold didn't like kicking teams or fanbases when they were down. His philopophy was that you never beat up on fans after a loss. Those fans are already doing a perfectly good job of doing that to themselves.

courtSTORMER, hold off a couple of days with your, "What's wrong in Omaha" questions. If you really want answers, wait until BJ fans have had some time and aren't going to be responding out of anger and frustration.

[Divergence]

i think its safe to say they are a bad team who would not come close to avoiding friday in STL.

Since the MVC tournament is now Thur-Sunday this doesn't make much sense anymore.

[skinny_uncle]

Uh yes they are a powerhouse with wins over

Winston Salem
S Alabama
UC Irvine
USF
Montana St
Oregon St (barely)
Montana St again

and a huge loss to UC Santa Barbara by 28

Its safe to say Fresno is horrible. This is not a good loss at all and it was by 15.
CU lost to a 9-1 team on the road and you guys act like their season is over. The Bluejays are not living up to our expectations yet, but give them a break. This is not the end of the world.

[tdshox]

DUDE, WHAT THE _ _ _ _ ? IF WE ARE SHOOTING FOR FOUR, LETS HOPE CREIGHT WINS THE TOURNEY........... THEN AGAIN WHO ARE WE KIDDING WE ARE ONLY ONE THIRD THROUGH THE SEASON.

[Hein72]

Well, I dont think any one can say that CU's first 1/3 of the season doesnt rival for being the most disappointing in all of Division 1 basketball.

[Rasputin]

Well, I dont think any one can say that CU's first 1/3 of the season doesnt rival for being the most disappointing in all of Division 1 basketball.

Or this:

Funk, THREE ON THE WAY, missed
Funk, THREE ON THE WAY, not even close
Funk, THREE ON THE WAY, off the back of the iron
Funk, THREE ON THE WAY, missed again!

1-9...All but 1 were completely wide open.

Where is Nate Funk and who snatched his body?

Fresno State doesn't play defense, they just try and outscore you. If we had half-way competent shooters, CU wins...but we don't.

[gopanthers!]

courtSTORMER is definitely not Cold.

Cold didn't like kicking teams or fanbases when they were down. His philopophy was that you never beat up on fans after a loss. Those fans are already doing a perfectly good job of doing that to themselves.

courtSTORMER, hold off a couple of days with your, "What's wrong in Omaha" questions. If you really want answers, wait until BJ fans have had some time and aren't going to be responding out of anger and frustration.


What ever happened to Cold, anyway? While he was usually delusional, I did get a kick out of reading his posts.

[Rasputin]

What ever happened to Cold, anyway? While he was usually delusional, I did get a kick out of reading his posts.

Oh he's still around..."Courtstormer" seemed to pop up when Clod appeared to go on some sabbatical and ironically shares the same desire to be all anti-CU, all the time. But, since he is an admitted proxy server user, one will never know.

Oh well, who cares...I couldn't argue with him now anyway, he would be right for once. CU does indeed suck. :crybaby:

[Rasputin]

Well, here is what the average Fresno State fan thinks about the MVC:

"F*** those corn pickers, we mopped the floor with them, and we'd do the same to eveyr other MVC team. Can I get an OVER RATED?"

http://mb28.scout.com/ffresnostatefrm5.showMessage?topicID=6999.topic&index=4

Fresno fans are a lot like their athletic programs...Most likely on probation. :lol:

EDIT: I noticed the newest user to join the forum is named "FRESNOSTATEJUSTPWNEDJAYS!" - I can't wait to see what he says!

[rjl]

Don't give any thought to what the Fresno Fanboys have to say about the game. If they think beating one member of the MVC at home means the whole league sucks, it's evident you aren't going to find much intelligence there.

What would Creighton fans' thought be about not starting Funk, but rather have him come off the bench for a while and work himself back into the rotation?

Seems like this is a team whose looking for its soul, and the best place to find it is to go back to the last place it had it (end of last year).

[Aargh]

Who would have thought that Johnny Mathies would turn out to be the hardest player to replace in the entire Valley.

[PinhookDave]

CU rooter's nothing to be ashamed about here except maybe margin of defeat.
Fresno was 8-1 going in and you were playing with their toys. They have beaten Nebraska and Oregon St (who beat Gtown at home).

That being said it would have been nice if they had kept the deficit in single digits.

[PinhookDave]

http://www.nebraskagolfclassic.com/img/celeb/dana_altman.jpg

So, Dana, what is it like having the most underachieving basketball team in the country?

"Gosh, well, we knew it would be tough, xxxx is an awfully good team"

"We just need to get better"

"We just need to get healthy"

How much time do you need? A week of practice to get blown out by Dayton. A week of practice to get blown out by Fresno. Gosh, golly, you aren't doing something right! At least a fan could expect to see subtle, slow improvement over that time. I think we are getting WORSE.
Wow, Rasputin please don't tell us that you are considering to form an exploratory committee to promote a "Let's Fire Dana" movement ?

[tgcshock]

Uhh, how can you compare Creighton to the rest of the Valley right now without them even playing anyone in it so far? Let's not jump to conclusions to quick. Ya, this is a sucky loss, but it's not the end of January or anything. If I remember correctly, last year CU had 3 losses by the end of December, one at a horrible Chattanooga team, one at Illinois State, and a blowout loss at DePaul. Interestingly they went on to tie for second in the league and was bascially a Valley tourney win away from an NCAA.

Would I be concerned? Yes. Would I be ready to abandon ship? No.

How can you compare UCLA to Alabama A&M without them having played each other so far? The logic of that statement doesn't hold. Yes, it is fair to say, first, that Creighton is not dominating the Valley as it did some years ago (i.e. the Valley has improved vis-a-vis CU) and second, that it is possible to hold that this year's version of CU is not yet as good as the top teams in the Valley so far this year.

I agree that there is still time for CU to get its act together and be a contender for the Valley title this year but there was nothing wrong with the observation that CU presently is not what CU was during the Kyle Korver era.

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

CU rooter's nothing to be ashamed about here except maybe margin of defeat.
Fresno was 8-1 going in and you were playing with their toys. They have beaten Nebraska and Oregon St (who beat Gtown at home).

That being said it would have been nice if they had kept the deficit in single digits.

First off Fresno's 8-1 record is a total sham. They have not played one team in the rpi top 100. They have a SOS of 318. They have actually not played Nebraska as you claim they have. Also claiming Oregon St as a quality win is also bad information. They are 255 in the RPI. They also did not beat Gtown at home as you claim, and in fact ave not played them. They lost at home to Southeastern Louisiana so that might be what you are thinking about. Also Fresno lost to a pitiful UC Santa Barbara team by 28.

You can say what you want about CU's chances this season, i think and hope they can turn it around, but this is going to be a bad loss at the end of the year.

[PinhookDave]

First off Fresno's 8-1 record is a total sham. They have not played one team in the rpi top 100. They have a SOS of 318. They have actually not played Nebraska as you claim they have. Also claiming Oregon St as a quality win is also bad information. They are 255 in the RPI. They also did not beat Gtown at home as you claim, and in fact ave not played them. They lost at home to Southeastern Louisiana so that might be what you are thinking about. Also Fresno lost to a pitiful UC Santa Barbara team by 28.

You can say what you want about CU's chances this season, i think and hope they can turn it around, but this is going to be a bad loss at the end of the year.

I did not claim that Fresno had beat Gtown but the Oregon St. had beaten Gtown at Gtown. I know that comparisons are bogus (this team beat this team etc) but even if your plate is loaded with cupcakes and twinkies by this time of the year a 9-1 record shows consistency and consistency is a mark of a solid team.

Regarding the Nebraska deal I'll blame that on the cheap crack I continue to ingest (I'm beginning to believe that it's eating my brain cells)

[tgcshock]

I did not claim that Fresno had beat Gtown but the Oregon St. had beaten Gtown at Gtown. I know that comparisons are bogus (this team beat this team etc) but even if your plate is loaded with cupcakes and twinkies by this time of the year a 9-1 record shows consistency and consistency is a mark of a solid team.

Regarding the Nebraska deal I'll blame that on the cheap crack I continue to ingest (I'm beginning to believe that it's eating my brain cells)

That has always been the argument made by the BCS powerhouses but many of us in the Valley think that it matters who you play.

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

I did not claim that Fresno had beat Gtown but the Oregon St. had beaten Gtown at Gtown. I know that comparisons are bogus (this team beat this team etc) but even if your plate is loaded with cupcakes and twinkies by this time of the year a 9-1 record shows consistency and consistency is a mark of a solid team.

Regarding the Nebraska deal I'll blame that on the cheap crack I continue to ingest (I'm beginning to believe that it's eating my brain cells)

I understood what you said, Oregon St has not played Gtown, you are sadly mistaken about this. But they do have a solid 255 rpi, and a home loss to SE La. They are a bad team. Their best win is against #270 bethune cookman. If you dont believe me check the following link, but please stop making up things in order to make this look better than it is.

http://www.kenpom.com/sked.php?&y=2007&team=Oregon%20St.

[PinhookDave]

I stand corrected again for the life of me I don't know where I got that ! Think I should toss this crack ?

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

I stand corrected again for the life of me I don't know where I got that ! Think I should toss this crack ?

Its probably a good idea at this point ;)

[LincolnJay]

Oregon State is a bad Pac 10 team but Iowa State is a horrible Big 12 team and Iowa is a bad Big 10 team, Virgina Tech is a bad ACC {?} team, Syracuse will be a middle of the pack Big East team once they hit the road, LSU is not as good as advertised, DePaul is not very good etc, etc, etc.

It's all in the perspective. A road win against a BCS school will eventually help your RPI a lot once the conference seasons begin.

[WSUcourtSTORMER]

Oregon State is a bad Pac 10 team but Iowa State is a horrible Big 12 team and Iowa is a bad Big 10 team, Virgina Tech is a bad ACC {?} team, Syracuse will be a middle of the pack Big East team once they hit the road, LSU is not as good as advertised, DePaul is not very good etc, etc, etc.

It's all in the perspective. A road win against a BCS school will eventually help your RPI a lot once the conference seasons begin.

Ill take road wins at BCS schools over road losses against mediocre mid-majors. But hey thats just me, and like you said its just my perspective, others are free to have a different view.

[rjl]

Oregon State is a bad Pac 10 team but Iowa State is a horrible Big 12 team and Iowa is a bad Big 10 team, Virgina Tech is a bad ACC {?} team, Syracuse will be a middle of the pack Big East team once they hit the road, LSU is not as good as advertised, DePaul is not very good etc, etc, etc.

It's all in the perspective. A road win against a BCS school will eventually help your RPI a lot once the conference seasons begin.

We'll see how your LSU and SU predctions pan out, but many (including me) think you are way, way wrong.

SU's two losses are to WSU at home and a very good OSU team at neutral. In fact, by the end of the year, SU might be one of the best non-con road wins out there.

LSU's two losses are to WSU at home and a road loss at a good Texas team. Nothing to sneeze at at all. They will prove to be another great road win.

Every team loses at least 3 or more games a year, even the eventual national champions. The last team to go undefeated throughout the regular season was UNLV back in '90, and they ended up losing in the E8. Losses are expected, but it's what you can do afterwards that seperates champions from chumps.

[jaypharmalum]

Well, the sun came up this morning and I'm probably happier in Omaha than if I were with the team heading for the islands right now.

I suspect the Creighton coaches and players will mutually have to agree that there is a hell of a lot of work to be done by all parties. Obviously, the Jays have been the biggest disappointment in The Valley (and possibly on a larger scale), but it is only 7 games into the season. I'll take my blue blinders off and say that just about everyone has underachieved and the staff has yet to find what five guys on the court work best together.

I hope for a couple of wins in Hawaii, but realize that nothing is a gimmee at this point. The team will probably only go as far and Tolliver and Funk take them - hopefully, a couple days away will set things straight.

With our OOC looking to be a near complete disaster (sans the Xavier win), I expect the Jays will play with a sense of purpose when MSU comes to town on 12/30. The conference season will probably be a bloodbath - I pray the blood isn't blue when it's all said and done.

[Aargh]

Well, here is what the average Fresno State fan thinks about the MVC:

"F*** those corn pickers, we mopped the floor with them, and we'd do the same to eveyr other MVC team. Can I get an OVER RATED?"

http://mb28.scout.com/ffresnostatefrm5.showMessage?topicID=6999.topic&index=4

Fresno fans are a lot like their athletic programs...Most likely on probation. :lol:

EDIT: I noticed the newest user to join the forum is named "FRESNOSTATEJUSTPWNEDJAYS!" - I can't wait to see what he says!

I took your advice and visited the FrSt website to see what they thought of the Valley. It was pretty predictable considering they just beat the pre-season pick to win the league.

I did notice a couple of CU fans in the FrSt predictions thread. Thanks for giving Valley fans a black eye. The CU fans on FrSt's board were obnoxious, arrogant, classless and basically poking FrSt fans with a pointy stick in the Predictions thread!

CU fans more than earned the "corn-pickers" comment.

[Rasputin]

I took your advice and visited the FrSt website to see what they thought of the Valley. It was pretty predictable considering they just beat the pre-season pick to win the league.

I did notice a couple of CU fans in the FrSt predictions thread. Thanks for giving Valley fans a black eye. The CU fans on FrSt's board were obnoxious, arrogant, classless and basically poking FrSt fans with a pointy stick in the Predictions thread!

CU fans more than earned the "corn-pickers" comment.

I read those comments too, there were only 2 people that were being obnoxious, both never identified themselves as CU fans, just "MVC" fans. Most of these comments came AFTER Fresno fans called Omahan's "corn-picker's", "redneck retards", and asking if CU has a message board or do they use "strings and tin cans." I am certainly not condoning the retaliation, but those Fresno fans were pretty ridiculous themselves. At least they didn't attempt to trash the BJ Cafe like last year (unless FreddyMac had the IP blockers working overtime last night)...

This is strange, because NO CU fans trolled the Dayton, GMU, or Xavier message boards. In fact, Xavier and Dayton fans were both commenting how we "gained their respect."

[XSaluki]

The solution is to schedule BCS teams or complete cupcakes instead of dangerous mid-majors that may remove postseason hopes with an upset. Those mids are motivated to make a name for themselves when they play you and it is hard to get 'up' for the game.

If you lose to the BCS, you will be forgiven, lose to a mid and you are ruined.

[wufan]

That sounds like a BCS company line.

I think courtstormer sounds alot like Dawgie style. He kept saying the same thing over and over.

Good luck the rest of the way Jays.

[Little Eddie]

The solution is to schedule BCS teams or complete cupcakes instead of dangerous mid-majors that may remove postseason hopes with an upset. Those mids are motivated to make a name for themselves when they play you and it is hard to get 'up' for the game.

If you lose to the BCS, you will be forgiven, lose to a mid and you are ruined.

Think before you post...last night was a return game for bracket buster.

[XSaluki]

Think before you post...last night was a return game for bracket buster.

It was a sarcastic post pointed toward a certain poster in this thread.

wufan got the gist of where I was going...