Time to let Mark Turgeon go?

[gosmsgo]

What is this...5 in a row?!?!?!

Damn....Barry sucks but he has never lost complete control of his team like this before.

Im glad im not the WSU president who agreed to pay that guy 3/4 of a million dollars.

Barry only makes 150 and he has never had a losing streak like this.

Just something to think about...

[gosmsgo]

5 out of 6?

[ShockerPrez]

Is that wishful thinking on your part?

[MikeKennedyRulz]

As fickle as some Bears fans have been, it doesn't surprise me to see this thread come up. 8 of 9?

[Bigcityp]

Be happy that you have a guy that can at least coach in the valley. We have a guy that has NO idea what in the hell he's doing out there.. When the Aces come to your place just watch Merf. and how he coaches. He's a joke..

[ShockerPrez]

Barry only makes 150 and he has never had a losing streak like this.

Just something to think about...

And that's why Barry will be leaving soon.

[Ace Dad]

Go's philosophy is to fire the coach. Always fire the coach. And, fire the coach early.

[Cdizzle]

Go's philosophy is to fire the coach. Always fire the coach. And, fire the coach early.

Sounds like someone who would fit in well at Indiana.:grin:

[Coasterbill42]

As fickle as some Bears fans have been, it doesn't surprise me to see this thread come up. 8 of 9?

95-87.

[gosmsgo]

Go's philosophy is to fire the coach. Always fire the coach. And, fire the coach early.


acedads philosophy is to keep the program in mediocrity. That was untalented kids can play d-1 basketball. Well, sort of d-1 basketball.

Evansville never wins and that is okay with acedad. Its not about wins and losses its about putting on the purple jersey and playing hard for the first 2 minutes of the ball game.

[shockball]

gofysgo

You are a measly little turd. No wit, no wisdom, just a POS.

[Dawg_tired]

Come on Shockball. How do you really feel?

[Bigcityp]

I know that there are many quiet aces fans that are tired of this mediocrity here in Evansville and want to see a change. It's been six years and it's not working.. Time to get rid of Merfeld.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

95-87.

:clap: 1 in 9 :clap:

:clap: 1 in 10 in regular season :clap:

[Aargh]

If Hinson is only making $150K and MSU wins a Tourney game - start looking for a new coach.

Maybe Hinson has never lost as many games in a short stretch as Turgeon has, but Hinson has never had a stretch of games against as many quality opponents as WSU just had.

You've got to have teams on the schedule who are good enough to beat you to lose a bunch of games. The Selection Committee has repeatedly shown a lack of respect for Hinson's scheduling.

When you have a lot of good teams on the schedule, sometimes those good teams beat you.

[gosmsgo]

we will all cry for about negative 1 second.

[Nyghtewynd]

It's OK, go...if I'd have watched my team go from being ranked in the top 10 to losing five of six and falling out of the national consciousness, I'd be bitter too. Then again, if they'd quit scheduling the dregs and schedule more teams like MSU, they'd have a better SOS. That always helps.

[MSNSaluki]

Ah, a sunny Monday on Valley Talk!:lol:

[doinit salukistyle]

attacking wsu now is like ripping on george w bush now...it isn't as impressive as it was to see someone do it when they were both at the height of their powers...but still entertaining none the less

i got a chuckle, ha...ha....

[creightonfever]

I disagree..

I may hate wichita fans but I respect him and their staff.. The shox are gona get out of this slump seeing as they took on some tough games early on.

[Ace Dad]

Go, as usual, you screwed-up my philosophy:

Put on the purple.

Play hard for 40 minutes and compete.

If you win, you win. If you lose, you get ready for the next battle. Kind of like life.

[Mc Bulldog]

Bradley started the year at 2-4 and look where they went. Way too early for any crap-o-la. If anything the Shox record justifies where this league really is. I'm sure the Peacock In Heat will hatch an egg and the Shox will get back on track. Soon.

[Aargh]

It's interesting that a MSU fan starts a "fire Turgeon" thread.

Only one win for MSU against Turgeon in something like 4 years is a great reason to want that team's coach gone.

Oh, wait! Some of those WSU wins were against Soutwest Missouri State. I forgot that we have to start over when the name changed.

I think I've figured out why go rides a bicycle. You've got to pass that silly written test to drive a car.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Barry only makes 150 and he has never had a losing streak like this.

Just something to think about...

You are right, a losing streak of 5 out of 6 is nothing like 7 of 8!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:



cough cough (2 years ago) cough cough (1-6 to start off Valley play) cough cough (lost 7 of 8) cough cough (does a game at Oklahoma ring a bell?) cough cough

[gosmsgo]

Im glad you guys are in such a good mood.

One ncaa appearance in nearly 20 years is no reason to give a coach 750k.

You guys really know how to drive a hard bargin.

[DawgieStyle]

It's interesting that a MSU fan starts a "fire Turgeon" thread.

Only one win for MSU against Turgeon in something like 4 years is a great reason to want that team's coach gone.

Oh, wait! Some of those WSU wins were against Soutwest Missouri State. I forgot that we have to start over when the name changed.

I think I've figured out why go rides a bicycle. You've got to pass that silly written test to drive a car.

actually go owns a car, actually from what I remember he owns a truck, dodge dakota isn't it go? For all the crap he gives everyone about our cars, you'd think go wouldn't own a car, and that if he did actually own one and chose not to drive it very often, it would be a hybrid or something....nooooo though, its a useless gas guzzling truck...in some parts of the world that is called a hypocrit, but I don't want to call anyone names.

[gosmsgo]

do you know how much oil is used to produce a new auto?

All that material needs to be mined, hauled and manufactured. All those union workers driving to work etc.

Im sure there is practically as much fossil fuels used in the manufacturing and distribution of a new auto as that auto will burn itself in a lifetime.

Its far better to keep driving my 20 mpg dakota every couple of months.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

actually go owns a car, actually from what I remember he owns a truck, dodge dakota isn't it go? For all the crap he gives everyone about our cars, you'd think go wouldn't own a car, and that if he did actually own one and chose not to drive it very often, it would be a hybrid or something....nooooo though, its a useless gas guzzling truck...in some parts of the world that is called a hypocrit, but I don't want to call anyone names.

Lame, lame, lame, lame, lame

Do you know gosmsgo? Do you know for a fact that he doesn't have a need for a truck on an occasional basis? Maybe he owned the truck before he decided upon his current convictions, and now the best option is to keep it and use it sparingly. The one thing you do know is that he normally rides his bike instead of driving. I'm far from a environmentalist, but I can respect someone who rides a bike for good reasons.

For someone always trying to be logical, dang, you must be having an off day dawgie.

[DawgieStyle]

Lame, lame, lame, lame, lame

Do you know gosmsgo? Do you know for a fact that he doesn't have a need for a truck on an occasional basis? Maybe he owned the truck before he decided upon his current convictions, and now the best option is to keep it and use it sparingly. The one thing you do know is that he normally rides his bike instead of driving. I'm far from a environmentalist, but I can respect someone who rides a bike for good reasons.

For someone always trying to be logical, dang, you must be having an off day dawgie.

dude its the trash talk board...and its go, we've had this battle royale on cars and gas for 6 months now....this is not a new debate for us.

[Nyghtewynd]

Operative word "trying". Never really succeeding, but certainly trying.

[WSUbballer]

Operative word "trying". Never really succeeding, but certainly trying.
:lol: :clap:

[DawgieStyle]

:lol: :clap:

hows that wichita state basketball team doing go....5 of 6 isn't it?

[WSUbballer]

hows that wichita state basketball team doing go....5 of 6 isn't it?
Nice transition..

Ask me at the end of the season.
So what did that SIU basketball team do the last time out?

[DawgieStyle]

Nice transition..

Ask me at the end of the season.
So what did that SIU basketball team do the last time out?

lost, but not 4 in a row, or 5 of 6, where's the shockers in the standing...say what did WSU do last time they visited carbondale?

[WSUbballer]

lost
Thought so.
Thanks.

[DawgieStyle]

Thought so.
Thanks.

check the standings.....score board as they say.

I have to say im miffed that any shocker fan is talking trash right now.

[WSUbballer]

lost.

[MSNSaluki]

Jesus ...:no:

[gosmsgo]

I rode 20 miles to a friends house and back last night in the dark.

There is nothing better than riding on a county highway at night with few cars and just silence.

Just your breathing, the tires rolling on the pavement, a little wind and thats it.

You experience the dark the weather everything. When your in a car its like your watching a tv show. Its hard to explain unless you have ever cycle commuted.

It reallt is the best way to travel. I really feel sorry for some of you guys riding around in your cage. Most of you will never give cycling a fair shake. I have driven thousands of miles in a car and I can tell you that I wish I had those hours of my life back.

[DawgieStyle]

Jesus ...:no:

HEY, it is the trash talk board, and things have been pretty tame on here considering the way things have gone.

[ShockerPrez]

check the standings.....score board as they say.

I have to say im miffed that any shocker fan is talking trash right now.

I was thinking the same thing about every other teams fans...

There is a long way to go, and I've just killed a lot of crows sitting on my fence, gutted and stored them. I'm taking pre-orders at this time at discounted prices. Once we're nearing the MVC tournament, I'm going to have to raise prices to meet the demand.

[MSNSaluki]

HEY, it is the trash talk board, and things have been pretty tame on here considering the way things have gone.

Agreed ...

[MSNSaluki]

I was thinking the same thing about every other teams fans...

There is a long way to go, and I've just killed a lot of crows sitting on my fence, gutted and stored them. I'm taking pre-orders at this time at discounted prices. Once we're nearing the MVC tournament, I'm going to have to raise prices to meet the demand.

Anyone who thinks they have a handle on this league race after four games is walking around blind without a cane.
There's a lot of games to play and nobody, nobody, nobody can be counted out at this point, and nobody, nobody, nobody can be assume they are going to be in good shape at this point.

[Divergence]

I have to say im miffed that any shocker fan is talking trash right now.

WSU still has wins over No. 13 LSU and Syracuse. Nobody can take that away.

[ShockerPrez]

WSU fans don't need good programs to talk trash, just look at the 90's. I know for a fact that I still talked trash then, and we couldn't beat our meat.

[MSUAllSports]

Barry only makes 150 and he has never had a losing streak like this.



Actually Barry only makes $128,520 base + $60,000 in radio and tv money. MSU is getting a steal and has been for many years. $128,000 doesn't buy NCAA tournament appearances and when we do get there we will have gotten more than we paid for. Hopefully Nietzel will stand up to the gender equity folks and pay our men's coach at the market rate. MSU has got some great coaches on crappy salaries like Hinson, Guttin, Boyce, Steck, Leamy, etc.. Problem is they are men and men don't get raises at MSU.

M - Men get
S - Screwed
U - University

Hinson's Contract from the Newsleader:
Three (3) year contract in effect July 1, 2006 – June 30, 2009.
�� Salary - $128,520.
�� Rental of Hammons Student Center for summer basketball camp.
�� Worker’s Compensation Insurance (regular University benefit).
�� Retirement Fund (regular University benefit).
�� Achievement payment for winning or finishing as co-champions of the Missouri Valley Conference (MVC) - $10,000.
�� Achievement payment for winning the MVC post-season conference tournament - $8,000.
�� $7,500 achievement payment for each game appearance of the Bears in the NCAA tournament as well as one of the following: $10,000 if the team appears in the Sweet 16; $17,500 for an appearance in the Elite Eight; $35,000 if the team advances to the Final Four; $50,000 if the team reaches the championship game; or $100,000 if the team wins the national championship game.
�� $2,500 achievement payment for each game appearance in the pre-and/or post season NIT tournament(s) as well as one of the following: $10,000 if the team reaches the NIT Final Four; $15,000 if the team plays in the championship game; or $20,000 if the team wins the NIT championship game.
�� Television shows guarantee - $30,000.
�� Radio shows guarantee - $30,000.
�� Highland Springs Country Club social membership, Millwood Country Club golf and social membership and The Tower Club membership.
�� Use of one (1) automobile and insurance.
�� Cancellation Clause – University agrees to pay Coach two (2) years of base salary if terminated without cause at the end of the first year of the contract or the number of months left on the contract if terminated within 24 months of the contract’s ending date. Coach agrees to pay the University 12 months of salary if Coach cancels the contract with two years left on the contract or three (3) months of salary if cancelled within 12 months of the ending date of the contract.

[Nyghtewynd]

Wow. Look at those other incentive clauses. When does he get to collect those?

[Aargh]

Use of one (1) <S>automobile</S> bicycle and insurance.

Fixed it.

[gosmsgo]

Fixed it.


uh, Im not barry hinson.

Barry isnt cool enough to bike.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Surprised there isn't a clause for him to get a bonus if he wins the National BBQ Championship.

[ShockerPrez]

Surprised there isn't a clause for him to get a bonus if he wins the National BBQ Championship.

Sounds like the femenists at MSU would probably conspire with the vegetarians at MSU to get that one nixed, otherwise, it would probably be in there.