Coaches Poll

[pantherrob82]

UNI at #27. Better chance of making the AP Poll? :panthers: :valley:

[3ontheway]

CU should do their part for the betterment of the Conference and lose to UNI on purpose Friday. That way the Valley can have a top 25 team!!!:grin:

[SalukiProf]

They were actually better than normal this week - only two teams, Connecticut and Washington have no business being in the top 25. Alabama should also have taken a much bigger hit, as they are a top 25 team but not a top 15 team.

[SalukiProf]

AP Poll has UNI at #29, with MO State, Wichita State, and SIU also receiving votes as well. Connecticut is still in, as is Notre Dame despite gettting pasted by Georgetown.

[kabullseye]

CU should do their part for the betterment of the Conference and lose to UNI on purpose Friday. That way the Valley can have a top 25 team!!!:grin:

Won't be needing to do their part, the Cats owe Funk and Co. a thumping or two (probably MORE) and play to earn it on Friday.

We sweep this week and Wichita quits killing our RPI, then we get in next week (probably #21).

[3ontheway]

Won't be needing to do their part, the Cats owe Funk and Co. a thumping or two (probably MORE) and play to earn it on Friday.

We sweep this week and Wichita quits killing our RPI, then we get in next week (probably #21).


KABLOWWZZIEE!!! Book em Dano. Pretty rich. Those guys rule.

[KentuckyPanther]

What ever happened to the phrase "don't count your chickens..."

I love my Panthers, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

[DawgieStyle]

What ever happened to the phrase "don't count your chickens..."

I love my Panthers, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

listen to this man.....

[NoPlaceLikeDome]

Sad to say it, but I think we will lose this week. Either in Normal to Illinois State or to Creighton. I don't care if Creighton was dead last in the MVC, they would still find away to get their annual sweep of UNI.

[gopanthers!]

listen to this man.....

Lol....woman, if KP is who I think they are! Anywho, I agree.....it'd be nice to be ranked, but I think some fans are getting ahead of themselves. UNI has played very well lately, BUT keep in mind only 1 of our 4 conference games has been on the road. I'm optimistic, but would like to see a few more road games before I say we truly deserve to be ranked.

[hawk06]

isn't it sad though.... that a team has to go 6-0 in the number 2 rated league in the country (RPI wise) and be 15-2 overall to "sneak" into the Top 25.... this just shows that the league needs more national coverage.... that is the only way the teams in this league will gain enough respect from the Coaches and the AP to be in these polls consistently.... not that it makes any difference.... but it is nice for the national recognition and recruiting impact it would have for any school in this league...

[blueblood]

Which Top 10 team has this steller schedule?

Nov 10 Prairie View A&M Won (49 - 81) ScoreCast
Nov 17 Lamar Won (60 - 94) Recap
Nov 18 Louisiana Tech Won (59 - 75)
Nov 19 St. Louis Won (33 - 69) Recap
Nov 25 Idaho St. Won (44 - 74) ScoreCast
Nov 27 Ark.-Little Rock Won (35 - 75) Preview
Dec 02 Pacific Won (62 - 74) Recap
Dec 05 @Louisiana State Lost (64 - 52) Recap
Dec 09 @UCLA Lost (65 - 62) Recap
Dec 12 Fordham Won (61 - 84) Recap
Dec 16 Jacksonville (FL) Won (58 - 97) Recap
Dec 22 @Auburn Won (58 - 87) ScoreCast
Dec 28 Grambling St. Won (27 - 101) Recap
Jan 02 Winthrop Won (51 - 71) Recap
Jan 06 Kansas State Won (65 - 69)

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Which Top 10 team has this steller schedule?

Nov 10 Prairie View A&M Won (49 - 81) ScoreCast
Nov 17 Lamar Won (60 - 94) Recap
Nov 18 Louisiana Tech Won (59 - 75)
Nov 19 St. Louis Won (33 - 69) Recap
Nov 25 Idaho St. Won (44 - 74) ScoreCast
Nov 27 Ark.-Little Rock Won (35 - 75) Preview
Dec 02 Pacific Won (62 - 74) Recap
Dec 05 @Louisiana State Lost (64 - 52) Recap
Dec 09 @UCLA Lost (65 - 62) Recap
Dec 12 Fordham Won (61 - 84) Recap
Dec 16 Jacksonville (FL) Won (58 - 97) Recap
Dec 22 @Auburn Won (58 - 87) ScoreCast
Dec 28 Grambling St. Won (27 - 101) Recap
Jan 02 Winthrop Won (51 - 71) Recap
Jan 06 Kansas State Won (65 - 69)

aTm? That is a stinker of a schedule.

[ceaser150]

isn't it sad though.... that a team has to go 6-0 in the number 2 rated league in the country (RPI wise) and be 15-2 overall to "sneak" into the Top 25.... this just shows that the league needs more national coverage.... that is the only way the teams in this league will gain enough respect from the Coaches and the AP to be in these polls consistently.... not that it makes any difference.... but it is nice for the national recognition and recruiting impact it would have for any school in this league...

There is just too much balance in the league this year. A different team will get hot at different times throughout the year and that will keep Valley teams from being ranked consistently.

[blueblood]

aTm? That is a stinker of a schedule.


Correct. Anybody still think these ratings matter?

[Funky Town]

AP Poll has UNI at #29, with MO State, Wichita State, and SIU also receiving votes as well. Connecticut is still in, as is Notre Dame despite gettting pasted by Georgetown.


i dont get how wichita still gets votes after losing 5 out of there last 6 games

[DawgieStyle]

isn't it sad though.... that a team has to go 6-0 in the number 2 rated league in the country (RPI wise) and be 15-2 overall to "sneak" into the Top 25.... this just shows that the league needs more national coverage.... that is the only way the teams in this league will gain enough respect from the Coaches and the AP to be in these polls consistently.... not that it makes any difference.... but it is nice for the national recognition and recruiting impact it would have for any school in this league...

im not sure its sad...I don't know. I don't feel slighted. I just don't. I don't think any valley team at the moment has "earned" a top 25 ranking, even UNI, especially where you started the season in the rankings. Too far to climb. UNI, yah beat Iowa, but that's not a signature win, they aren't very good. Have you beat an elite team this year?

Other than Wichita, no valley team has, and frankly those wins look worse and worse: then factor in the WSU slump.

The valley is a great over all conference with lots of quality teams, but we are still a league with out an elite team. You can earn a #2 RPI this way, as is the case, but at the same time you can have no one ranked. Its a question for you guys. Would you rather have 10 quality teams ranked 26-50, or 1-2 elite teams ranked 1-25 with 8-9 teams ranked 40-100?

It would be nice to have the best of both worlds, but right now, we don't. This is where the difference between the Valley and the so called BCS conferences shows up. They have national title contenders, we don't.

[KentuckyPanther]

Lol....woman, if KP is who I think they are! Anywho, I agree.....it'd be nice to be ranked, but I think some fans are getting ahead of themselves. UNI has played very well lately, BUT keep in mind only 1 of our 4 conference games has been on the road. I'm optimistic, but would like to see a few more road games before I say we truly deserve to be ranked.


Ok...who do you think I am?

and I agree, a few road wins will solidify a shot at a ranking-not before then.

[Cdizzle]

Other than Wichita, no valley team has, and frankly those wins look worse and worse: then factor in the WSU slump.




Didn't MSU beat a pretty good Wisconsin team?

[DawgieStyle]

Didn't MSU beat a pretty good Wisconsin team?

they did, but then look at some of their losses. Everyone on here is real good about remembering these awesome wins, but quickly forget the losses these teams have. They factor in just as much as the wins. Sorry, I know MSU fans think the SLU game was a win, but its an L on your record. And the way they lost to CU as well, wasn't good. Their win over WSU, not impressive now, plus it was at home.

Still no team from the valley deserves to be in the top 25 in my opinion.

[douglasdmb]

DS, you make my head hurt sometimes.

[DawgieStyle]

DS, you make my head hurt sometimes.

why, because I think we don't deserve a top 25 team...sorry for being real. Let me jump on the kool aid band wagon.

[Canevision]

Dawgie, you continue to amaze me more and more all the time.

You say no Valley team has an elite win other than Wichita, then say MSU's doesn't count because they lost two other games. MSU has the best win in the Valley this year. They are still the only team to beat Wisky this year.

Make up your mind, do they have an elite win, or do they have one bad loss? CU, on the road, is not a bad loss. Maybe they should have won, but that would have made it a good win, not a bad loss IMO.

:bears: :valley:

[Cdizzle]

I'm not denying reality. I think things are about right now. You had simply stated that WSU was the only team with high-profile wins, and I don't think thats true.

:shockers: :valley:

[DawgieStyle]

I forgot about Misery state, sue me, yes, they do have a win over an elite team in Wisconsin. Sorry brain freeze. I still don't think they are a top 25 team tho.

[douglasdmb]

why, because I think we don't deserve a top 25 team...sorry for being real. Let me jump on the kool aid band wagon.

I'll agree, we currently don't have anyone that clearly speaks out as a clear and undeniable top 25 team. But there are a few teams in the top 25 that are not in any way more deserving than some Valley teams (UCONN?).

[Canevision]

I forgot about Misery state, sue me, yes, they do have a win over an elite team in Wisconsin. Sorry brain freeze. I still don't think they are a top 25 team tho.

I can live with you not thinking they're a top-25 team, maybe they aren't, but when they play as well as they did yesterday, I'd have a hard time finding 25 teams that would beat them.

:bears:

[DawgieStyle]

I'll agree, we currently don't have anyone that clearly speaks out as a clear and undeniable top 25 team. But there there are a few teams in the top 25 that are not in any way more deserving than some Valley teams (UCONN?).

I can agree with that also, it doesn't mean they should be replaced by valley teams tho, my opinion is probably not, but you may disagree.

I don't think the valley this year, is any better than it was last year. We are still in the same place, lots of quality teams, but no elite teams. This conf. will not take the next step until it has a team come along that is capable of challenging for a national title.

[DawgieStyle]

I can live with you not thinking they're a top-25 team, maybe they aren't, but when they play as well as they did yesterday, I'd have a hard time finding 25 teams that would beat them.

:bears:

one game does not make a season...

[douglasdmb]

I forgot about Misery state, sue me, yes, they do have a win over an elite team in Wisconsin. Sorry brain freeze. I still don't think they are a top 25 team tho.

They've lost 3 games by a total of 7 points. Every one of those losses were either on the road or at a neutral site and were to top-100 RPI teams.

Oh yeah, and we beat the Badgers.

Should MO State be in the top 10? No, but they're more deserving of a top-25 spot than some that are in it.

[DawgieStyle]

They've lost 3 games by a total of 7 points. Every one of those losses were either on the road or at a neutral site and were to top-100 RPI teams.

Oh yeah, and we beat the Badgers.

Should MO State be in the top 10? No, but they're more deserving of a top-25 spot than some that are in it.

to each their own.

[smacktalkermsu]

The problem with the polls is they start way to soon.

The first poll needs to be Jan 1. or around there, it will never happen though.......Say you are Gonzaga you are preseason 18.....you win your first 4 and you are up to 12 then you lose 3 of your next 7......You are still in the 20's........Basically if you start high you can afford a few losses......If you are out of the polls from the start you have to win about 10 in a row to break in.

MSU Rankings
Sagarin #15
Kenpom power ratings #24
Warren Nolan RPI #18

SIU
Sagarin #29
Kenpom Power ratings #45
Warren Nolan RPI #9

Those are the two most highly rated teams in conference right now.......it is pretty Clear that MO St. should be ranked......If it is rated in the top 25 in 3 independant "unbiased" polls it should be ranked in the Top 25 in the "Biased" Polls as well.

[smacktalkermsu]

It makes me sick for SIU, UNI, and Mo State That they are all one OOC loss away from being in the Top 25.

UNI > Washington
MSU> SLU
SIU may not be better than Arkansas or Indiana but i feel like with all of those returning players they should have been able to catch one of those 2 teams off guard.

[blueblood]

I have read how no MVC team deserves to be ranked. Why does this team?

Nov 10 Prairie View A&M Won (49 - 81) ScoreCast
Nov 17 Lamar Won (60 - 94) Recap
Nov 18 Louisiana Tech Won (59 - 75)
Nov 19 St. Louis Won (33 - 69) Recap
Nov 25 Idaho St. Won (44 - 74) ScoreCast
Nov 27 Ark.-Little Rock Won (35 - 75) Preview
Dec 02 Pacific Won (62 - 74) Recap
Dec 05 @Louisiana State Lost (64 - 52) Recap
Dec 09 @UCLA Lost (65 - 62) Recap
Dec 12 Fordham Won (61 - 84) Recap
Dec 16 Jacksonville (FL) Won (58 - 97) Recap
Dec 22 @Auburn Won (58 - 87) ScoreCast
Dec 28 Grambling St. Won (27 - 101) Recap
Jan 02 Winthrop Won (51 - 71) Recap
Jan 06 Kansas State Won (65 - 69)

[Canevision]

one game does not make a season...

I'm just going to ignore you from now on. You talk in circles so much.

first, you want to talk about one game making a season for UNI if they only had that elite win. Then, if a team has that win, then talks about how they played in another game, you say one game blah blah blah. Your petty comebacks are getting quite old. I already conceded I have no problems with MSU not being ranked as of today.

Please just take a stance and stick with it for once.

[DawgieStyle]

I'm just going to ignore you from now on. You talk in circles so much.

first, you want to talk about one game making a season for UNI if they only had that elite win. Then, if a team has that win, then talks about how they played in another game, you say one game blah blah blah. Your petty comebacks are getting quite old. I already conceded I have no problems with MSU not being ranked as of today.

Please just take a stance and stick with it for once.

you are reading way too much into things.

[SycEm]

Butler still only has one loss - to the Trees :sycamores: Is that a quality win?

On a side note, couldn't at least one writer have given the Sycamores a single vote to make the fans feel better?

[Canevision]

Butler still only has one loss - to the Trees :sycamores: Is that a quality win?

On a side note, couldn't at least one writer have given the Sycamores a single vote to make the fans feel better?

That IS a quality win Syc. People keep forgetting about you guys, and you keep winning. Kudos for that.

Plus, the fact the Bears beat ISU helps our resume. :grin:

[MikeKennedyRulz]

I'm just going to ignore you from now on. You talk in circles so much.

first, you want to talk about one game making a season for UNI if they only had that elite win. Then, if a team has that win, then talks about how they played in another game, you say one game blah blah blah. Your petty comebacks are getting quite old. I already conceded I have no problems with MSU not being ranked as of today.

Please just take a stance and stick with it for once.

Trust me, it is for the best. My VT experience is exponentially better now that DoogieStyle is on ignore. I actually get involved in actual basketball talk and not some mindless drivel. Try it, it is great.

[Canevision]

Trust me, it is for the best. My VT experience is exponentially better now that DoogieStyle is on ignore. I actually get involved in actual basketball talk and not some mindless drivel. Try it, it is great.

B E S T.

A D V I C E.

E V E R.

[underdawg2]

I forgot about Misery state, sue me, yes, they do have a win over an elite team in Wisconsin. Sorry brain freeze. I still don't think they are a top 25 team tho.


So everybody else in the fabulous popularity polls has MORE elite wins (on the road I might add) than MSU? I think your getting your jollies by being a contrarian and a mini-flamer--sorry to say since you are Saluki fan, but I'd say at least UNI and possibly MSU are probably top 25 IMO. Yes you get beat occationally when you are forced to play mucho road games. But if you don't think playing those road games are important tell the NCAA who awards 1.4 wins for every road win and only penalizes team .6 of a loss for a road loss in their RPI calculations. Let's face it the AP ect. are popularity contests and apparantly none of the Valley teams are very popular with you.


:no:

[hawk06]

im not sure its sad...I don't know. I don't feel slighted. I just don't. I don't think any valley team at the moment has "earned" a top 25 ranking, even UNI, especially where you started the season in the rankings. Too far to climb. UNI, yah beat Iowa, but that's not a signature win, they aren't very good. Have you beat an elite team this year?

Other than Wichita, no valley team has, and frankly those wins look worse and worse: then factor in the WSU slump.


I understand what you're saying... and we can agree to disagree... I graduated from Iowa, so I know how bad they are... but they still will be tough at home... Michigan State found that out... not that they were that good but they were still ranked #24 at the time....... and I know Wichita has lost some games.... but I still think that a win at Kohl will look pretty darn good by the end of the year.... Wichita State is still a really solid team... they were just unlucky having to start the conference year out with road games at SIU and at MSU... UNI has taken advantage of their schedule so far... with that being said, I just thought that some team in this league... whether it was UNI or MSU... is just as worthy of a national ranking as some of those other teams who made it in.... I would of said the same thing about SIU if they would have won at UNI on sat... only gave UNI a little edge because of that match-up

[Jayfan]

Won't be needing to do their part, the Cats owe Funk and Co. a thumping or two (probably MORE) and play to earn it on Friday.

We sweep this week and Wichita quits killing our RPI, then we get in next week (probably #21).


Wait to get ranked till around Feb 12th:original:

[shocker3]

they did, but then look at some of their losses. Everyone on here is real good about remembering these awesome wins, but quickly forget the losses these teams have. They factor in just as much as the wins. Sorry, I know MSU fans think the SLU game was a win, but its an L on your record. And the way they lost to CU as well, wasn't good. Their win over WSU, not impressive now, plus it was at home.

Still no team from the valley deserves to be in the top 25 in my opinion.

Okay, if we buy your logic, tell me the stellar wins that get Texas A&M into the top 10!:valley:

[DawgieStyle]

Okay, if we buy your logic, tell me the stellar wins that get Texas A&M into the top 10!:valley:

I'm not saying the poll is perfect, its not. It still doesn't change the fact I don't think the valley has a top 25 team. Just my opinion. Again, I think overall the league is very good, lots of quality teams. Just no one elite. To me the top 25 should represent the top 25 teams with a shot at actually winning the national title, I just don't think any valley team falls in that category yet. And yah, some teams with worse records are gonna get in the top 25 based on that logic, well because their potential is higher. I've had this stance for a long time, this isn't new to any of you.

[MSNSaluki]

Missouri State and UNI should be in the Top 25 at this moment.

Had my Salukis not peed down their legs in the final two minutes against Arkansas, or pulled out a win at Indiana or UNI (games they led in the second half), I'd put them in the same company.

But don't be contrary, Dawgie: The Bears and Panthers are getting screwed by poll voters right now, as is the entire Valley. The No. 2 league and we don't have anybody ranked?

That's why I put little stock in polls.

[dab212s]

No one ranked 12-25 in the polls would consistently beat Mo. State and Wichita State this year. The only 2 that would be a tie would be LSU and Tennessee.

[iSASO]

So, Dawgie, you think aTm is playing for a national championship?

[DawgieStyle]

So, Dawgie, you think aTm is playing for a national championship?

you're not reading my post...i said the polls had flaws, and I said that was MY, I repeat MY, criteria for a top 25.

[Aargh]

The Valley has a history in the polls. Get in and look out for the bottom to fall out. Get close and look for a loss to drop your team back.

This certainly isn't logical, but being ranked in the polls the last couple of years has been a curse for Valley teams.

I think the last team to be ranked and spend a considerable amount of time there was probably CU when Korver (the first) was there.

[MSU Bleeds Maroon]

I think the last team to be ranked and spend a considerable amount of time there was probably CU when Korver (the first) was there.

SIU also spent a fair amount of time in the polls the year they started conference play 17-0. They were still ranked when the Bears beat 'em in St. Louis (although Brad Korn doesn't remember that game). :original:

[ceaser150]

UCONN, Washington, Duke, and Florida are all ranked without a single road win yet. Ohio St. got their first road win on Saturday. No road wins by January = pathetic.

[DawgieStyle]

UCONN, Washington, Duke, and Florida are all ranked without a single road win yet. Ohio St. got their first road win on Saturday. No road wins by January = pathetic.

I understand your frustration, but please don't tell me you trying to use this to equate that UNI or any other valley team is as good as Florida or Duke.

[gopanthers!]

I understand your frustration, but please don't tell me you trying to use this to equate that UNI or any other valley team is as good as Florida or Duke.


Ummm....I don't think he's saying that at all. For one who claims others read too much into your posts and should just take them at face value, you seem to be pretty good at putting words into other people's mouths.

[DawgieStyle]

Ummm....I don't think he's saying that at all. For one who claims others read too much into your posts and should just take them at face value, you seem to be pretty good at putting words into other people's mouths.

I didn't say he said that, I was asking the question if that is what he was saying...he never answered.

[WSUbballer]

Ummm....I don't think he's saying that at all. For one who claims others read too much into your posts and should just take them at face value, you seem to be pretty good at putting words into other people's mouths.
Word of advice:
Don't argue with a brick wall. It'll get you nowhere. :banghead:

[ceaser150]

I understand your frustration, but please don't tell me you trying to use this to equate that UNI or any other valley team is as good as Florida or Duke.

That wasn't really my point. I was simply pointing out how it appears that pollsters are not looking at a school's resume or "body of work" when voting in these polls. If they did, they would see that Valley teams, not just UNI, are more deserving of national rankings.

If you want to argue about how UNI stacks up with those teams, we can do that. UNI has already proven they can hang with Washington. I think Duke is vastly overrated. And Pepperdine's coach said UNI is the best team they have played, and they have played Washington, Oklahoma St. and UCONN.

[douglasdmb]

you're not reading my post...i said the polls had flaws, and I said that was MY, I repeat MY, criteria for a top 25.

Yes, but we're not talking about your top 25, we're talking about the actual top 25 polls that get published.

[WSUbballer]

Yes, but we're not talking about your top 25, we're talking about the actual top 25 polls that get published.
:clap:

[DawgieStyle]

Yes, but we're not talking about your top 25, we're talking about the actual top 25 polls that get published.

which are garbage anyways, so does it really matter who's top 25 we discuss.

[Fang 'em Cats05']

Hey I'm a huge panther fan. However, they have not earned my respect in the fact that everytime they take the floor it can be a win or a loss. No valley team has earned anything to be ranked.

UNI is good, SIU is good, MSU is good, WSU is still good I don't care what anybody says, CU is dangerous in my opinion, then you have your Bradleys, Ind St.'s, Ill. St.'s, Drake's, and Evansville's of the world who will bite you in the *****.

Nobody deserves a ranking. I'd rather march into the NCAA tournament with 4 teams unranked and cause mass chaos than come in with 4 teams one ranked, three unranked, and have one team win a first round game.

That said, UNI - SIU was the best Valley game this season.:valley:

[douglasdmb]

which are garbage anyways, so does it really matter who's top 25 we discuss.

I think so

[WSUbballer]

which are garbage anyways, so does it really matter who's top 25 we discuss.
A 4th grader making a Top 25 would be more relevant than yours. So, I'd say yes too.

[underdawg2]

I think so


You're going to love this
:no: At the beginning of the Wisconsin vs Ohio State game Vitale mentions that Wisconsin only had one loss at home this season, but didn't name who that team was--I don't think it is an accident when BCS b*tt kissers do these sorts of things:no:

Also is Florida really the number 2 team in the nation? They slip by Arkansas at home tonight:lol:

[Divergence]

We sweep this week and Wichita quits killing our RPI, then we get in next week (probably #21).

I remember hearing a story about counting eggs....does anybody remember that story?

[SFPanther]

I remember hearing a story about counting eggs....does anybody remember that story?

He's always putting his foot in his mouth, isn't he?

[MikeKennedyRulz]

You're going to love this
:no: At the beginning of the Wisconsin vs Ohio State game Vitale mentions that Wisconsin only had one loss at home this season, but didn't name who that team was--I don't think it is an accident when BCS b*tt kissers do these sorts of things:no:

Also is Florida really the number 2 team in the nation? They slip by Arkansas at home tonight:lol:

Technically, didn't MSU beat them in South Padre? So, they have no losses at home, right?

[Canevision]

Technically, didn't MSU beat them in South Padre? So, they have no losses at home, right?

That is correct, but they were technically the home team in the game, and you know Vitale doesn't actually do research to see that it was a neutral court game.

Edit: Actually, I think the Bears were technically the home team, so I have no clue what Vitale was talking about.

[douglasdmb]

Edit: Actually, I think the Bears were technically the home team, so I have no clue what Vitale was talking about.

FWIW, we wore the maroon away jerseys for that game against Wiscy.

[Canevision]

FWIW, we wore the maroon away jerseys for that game against Wiscy.

I see. ESPN had us listed as the home team on the score listing (team to the right).

Either way, it wasn't a home loss for Wisky.