OFFICIAL CU vs WSU thread

[creightonfever]

Yeah yeah I know this game is tomorrow night but hey Im anxious and wanna know what you all gotta say. The shox WILL be very determined to win this one.. but if you look at it this way, they lost at home to a UNI team that we just beat on the road by 8. Dont underestimate the jays.. they are not the same team from earlier this season.

I dont know how this game will turn out.. hopefully not like last year!

[shockball]

Nobody is underestimating Creighton. They have started playing like the preseason pollsters and everyone else figured they would. WSU will have to be on their game.

[iSASO]

Since everyone believes in karma more than the strength of the conference, I'm going this way:

WSU will lose by 40 to the clear favorite to win the league by 5 games, your Creighton BlueJays. The Class of the MVC.

[LincolnJay]

My guess is the bookies will favor da shux by about 5. Should be a good game.

Jays have already achieved what I was hoping for on this road swing {at least a split}. Greed now takes over! :naughty:

[jaypharmalum]

I'd be surprised to see Creighton win this one. WSU has been backed into a corner and will come out swinging. Unless Funk does something ridiculous like he did 2 years ago in Wichita or the team scores on every possession in a half like a couple years back, this one will be a tough get for the Bluejays.

At least the game is on local TV in Omaha - does Wichita pick up our feed or do you have your own game package?

[OmahaBen]

Since everyone believes in karma more than the strength of the conference, I'm going this way:

WSU will lose by 40 to the clear favorite to win the league by 5 games, your Creighton BlueJays. The Class of the MVC.

Anti-woofing doesn't work unless you believe it. In fact, mocking the woofing gods is often times worse.

[Chairman of the Boards]

I'd be surprised to see Creighton win this one. WSU has been backed into a corner and will come out swinging. Unless Funk does something ridiculous like he did 2 years ago in Wichita or the team scores on every possession in a half like a couple years back, this one will be a tough get for the Bluejays.

At least the game is on local TV in Omaha - does Wichita pick up our feed or do you have your own game package?

Are you telling me this game isn't on the Duece, the U or FSN? You gotta be kiddin' me!

[jaypharmalum]

KMTV - channel 3 in Omaha. Maybe your CBS affiliate can pick up the feed. I believe the CU-Xavier game was live in Cincinnati with our TV guys, so it can be done.

[Divergence]

Anti-woofing doesn't work unless you believe it. In fact, mocking the woofing gods is often times worse.

Since CU is 5-1 and has won some big road games and has the momentum while WSU has not been invincible at home and is struggling to find confidence and climb out of last place in the league - CU has to be dominant favorite.

[IH8SIU]

Wichita State will win by at least 30. And their fans will be extremely modest about it on this board.

[dawg_tired nemesis]

The UNI games may not be a fair comparison. WSU has lost at home the last 3 years to UNI. CU is on a roll right now and WSU is still trying to get back their swagger they had during the non conference. Should be a great game. WSU needs this game alot more than CU does so hopefully the crowd and the urgency will be the extra motivation they need to win.

Shocks 63
Jays 62

Tolliver fouls Martin with .2 seconds left and makes 1 of 2 ft's to win it.
:yes:

[MSNSaluki]

Note to self: Do not read the WSU/CU game thread after 10 a.m. Monday.:lol: :shockers: :jays: :valley:

It's gonna be ugly.

[JJClamdip]

The Shox will win and the fans will storm the court.

[salukibob]

Shucks need to defend the home turf to remain in the race.

[DJShocker10]

The fans will not storm the court. They didn't last year. They won't this year.

:shockers: :shockers: :shockers:

[troutangler]

It pains me to say this, but Go Shocks!

[CUJay]

I don't expect a win but I am holding out hope. CU will need a complete game from all of its starters, plus some contributions from its bench. Lately the CU bench hasn't contributed much, and Porter has been spotty. My head says that WSU wins this one by 8-12 points, but my heart says Jays by 3.

It will be interesting to see which Shox team show up. I hope it is the team that has played of late, rather than the early-season Shox that looked like they were headed back to the Sweet 16 this year.

[creightonfever]

If Nate/AT continue to be the incredible duo that they are and lead this team ALONG with some contribution from both Nicks.. The Jays will be in very good shape.

I predict the game to be somewhere in the 60's.. Im still nervous about this game.


:jays:

[JJClamdip]

P.J. has a last second block of a Funk shot, the Shox win, the fans storm the court.

[iSASO]

JJ, if you promise to storm the court, I have a free ticket for you.

[JJClamdip]

I would storm the court naked, if Anita Cochran would join me.

[shockball]

I'd be surprised to see Creighton win this one. WSU has been backed into a corner and will come out swinging. Unless Funk does something ridiculous like he did 2 years ago in Wichita or the team scores on every possession in a half like a couple years back, this one will be a tough get for the Bluejays.

At least the game is on local TV in Omaha - does Wichita pick up our feed or do you have your own game package?
The local CBS affiliate will have their broadcast team.

[Michigan J. Frog]

If Tolliver is on his game, then we will have trouble, unless we've worked out some new post defense scheme.

We did okay against Webster last night.

[Divergence]

I would storm the court naked, if Anita Cochran would join me.

I just called Anita and she said she would be honored. Do you want me or ISASO to pick you up tomorrow?

[CUjaysglf]

If the jays can hold the shocks to under 70 pts. they should win the game. WSU is 1-19 against Altman when being held under 70. Either way it will be a great game!:jays:

[jt45]

GO SHOX!! The rest of the Valley doesn't need CU with another big road win!!

[Shockabadazz]

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKK KKKSSSSS!


:shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers: :shockers:

[WSUbballer]

If the jays can hold the shocks to under 70 pts. they should win the game. WSU is 1-19 against Altman when being held under 70. Either way it will be a great game!:jays:

Guess when that "1" win happened...?...:naughty:

[CUjaysglf]

off the top of my head i can't recall, but seeing as how creighton has swept the season series over the shocks 8 of the last 12 years it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out. i'll get back to you on that:grin:

[Divergence]

off the top of my head i can't recall, but seeing as how creighton has swept the season series over the shocks 8 of the last 12 years it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out. i'll get back to you on that:grin:

All the more reason why the Shox have no chance tomorrow.

[WSUbballer]

off the top of my head i can't recall, but seeing as how creighton has swept the season series over the shocks 8 of the last 12 years it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out. i'll get back to you on that:grin:

Here's a hint:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T4aUW7DH-Q

[MSNSaluki]

And here we go ...:bash:

[iSASO]

As a result of this game, Creighton will defend its conference championship, catapult back to a Top 10 ranking and return to the Sweet Sixteen.

Altman will repeat as the Coach of the Year and they will once again be home of the Valley Player of the Year. Before you know it, Altman will be on the Jim Rome show and the cover of Sports Illustrated.

[creightonfever]

Guess when that "1" win happened...?...:naughty:

Its funny how you shux always seem to bring up your "oh so impressive" buzzer beater win over us, when we did the exact same thing to you..

and Ill tell you that it was probably a lot more rockin at the Q then it was at the kroch center

[DJShocker10]

As a result of this game, Creighton will defend its conference championship, catapult back to a Top 10 ranking and return to the Sweet Sixteen.

Return??

Serious question. Has CU gotten to a Sweet 16 under Altman?

[shocker3]

Based on past experience, Funk will probably score 40 points. Hopefully we can pull it out anyway.:valley: :shockers:

[creightonfever]

Return??

Serious question. Has CU gotten to a Sweet 16 under Altman?


I think he is mocking us to show what you guys did last year and the beginning of this year.. Hes a believer in "karma"

[Michigan J. Frog]

and Ill tell you that it was probably a lot more rockin at the Q then it was at the kroch center

Not likely.

[DJShocker10]

Just heard from DoubleJayAlum on SN that the Jays won't be leaving Omaha until tomorrow. Hopefully they get here safe, but hopefully they're a little tired and stressed.:grin:

[Ictjay]

Return??

Serious question. Has CU gotten to a Sweet 16 under Altman?






Looks like everything is back to normal here in Wichita! Attittudes sure have taken a hit. Must have gotten tired of ref bashin.

[JVShocker]

Shouldn't this thread be 10 pages long by now? Seriously, I was going to avoid it at all costs until I saw it was only on page 2. Must be all the love and warm feelings that Bluejays and Shockers have felt for each other that have kept them away. :clap:

Good lucks Shocks, we need it. Creighton doesn't, they're playing very well and are at the top of the standings, so I wish them no luck. :lol:

The way it goes on VT, the game itself could end up being decalred a winner by whoever they can get out in a :wheelchair:

:shockers: :valley:

[WSUbballer]

Its funny how you shux always seem to bring up your "oh so impressive" buzzer beater win over us, when we did the exact same thing to you..

and Ill tell you that it was probably a lot more rockin at the Q then it was at the kroch center

Dude.. I was just pointing out an interesting fact. That's all. Lighten up Nancy.
And as for which was louder, ask the guys at ESPNU and Sportscenter about it. They played it over and over for days. I'm sure they could give you a good answer. :grin:

[creightonfever]

Yeah yeah yeah yeah its just I dont think you can understand how many times ive heard that story in the past year on VT or some lovely shocker fan comin over to the BJAY board.. JUST GETS tiring. Especially since it was such a sweet shot in a game that basically decided the shox win over the league.. grrrr

[DoubleJayAlum]

Just heard from DoubleJayAlum on SN that the Jays won't be leaving Omaha until tomorrow. Hopefully they get here safe, but hopefully they're a little tired and stressed.:grin:

Its possible there may be travel fatigue.

Don't forget though - CU played Friday instead of Saturday like the SHox. That means an extra day of rest and an extra day for Altman to prepare.

[WSUbballer]

Yeah yeah yeah yeah its just I dont think you can understand how many times ive heard that story in the past year on VT or some lovely shocker fan comin over to the BJAY board.. JUST GETS tiring. Especially since it was such a sweet shot in a game that basically decided the shox win over the league.. grrrr

Well, those fans suck. And I'm sorry for that.. I honestly was just pointing out the fact that that only win came last year. Just thought it was interesting that's all.. We needed everything to go perfect last year just to get ya by 1... says alot. I expect a similar game this year..and hopefully for a similar result...but I think we might need some ... :helpsmilie:

[JayJay]

All this humility by Shocker fans has me worried. I feel most comfortable when our fans are down on our team's chances and the other team's fans are over-confident. Basketball seasons are always roller-coaster events -- up one week, down the next. (See UNI.) CU has been riding high ever since the MSU game (except for the blip at ISU), while WSU has been stuck in neutral ever since the home loss to UNI. It almost feels like its time for the pendulum to change directions again. I hope I'm just being paranoid... should be a great game in any case (I hope!).

I will say that if CU wins, they will be the clear MVC front-runner and WSU can kiss their title chances goodbye. A WSU win just means that the Shocks are still in it and CU lost an opportunity for separation.

[Divergence]

while WSU has been stuck in neutral ever since the home loss to UNI.

Actually shox have been stuck in neutral since the 2 games in Vegas.

[MSNSaluki]

I will say that if CU wins, they will be the clear MVC front-runner and WSU can kiss their title chances goodbye. A WSU win just means that the Shocks are still in it and CU lost an opportunity for separation.

Clear front-runner? Did you see what SIU did to Missouri State Saturday? We might have something to say about it.:lol:

From the outside, this is such a hard game to pick somebody to cheer for. If Creighton wins, they get a big-time road win against a tough team and will stay in first place. If Wichita State wins, it means the Shockers are truly back on track, which is trouble for the rest of the league.

I vote for a cancellation of this game due to weather conditions and vote set the makeup game for four hours before the second game scheduled between the two. That'll give the boys a nice doubleheader and a hour of rest inbetween and will save on travel costs for two schools which really have trouble generating revenue.:lol:

[JayJay]

I vote for a cancellation of this game due to weather conditions and vote set the makeup game for four hours before the second game scheduled between the two. That'll give the boys a nice doubleheader and a hour of rest inbetween and will save on travel costs for two schools which really have trouble generating revenue.:lol:


I'll second that suggestion -- since it would mean both games would be played in Omaha! :yes:

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Its funny how you shux always seem to bring up your "oh so impressive" buzzer beater win over us, when we did the exact same thing to you..

and Ill tell you that it was probably a lot more rockin at the Q then it was at the kroch center

I was at both games. One game was definitely "a lot more rockin" than the other. Let me just say that you need to work on your "probabilities".

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[gopanthers!]

I think anyone other than Creighton fans have to be rooting for WSU to win this one. Don't want the Bjays to pick up another tough road win (although I can't say the Panthers made the game at the McLeod very "tough"). I say the Shocks by 5, 75-70. Or I could tempt Ms. Karma and say Jays by 20........does karma work if you're not a fan of either of the teams playing?? :naughty:

[iSASO]

Karma isn't a factor either way. Creighton is clearly the better team and is playing much better than WSU.

WSU has no one like PJ Cooz to stop Funk so he will score at will.

Altman is the much better coach as we all witnessed last year.

WSU has no hope.

[LincolnJay]

WSU has no one like PJ Cooz to stop Funk so he will score at will.

Is Cousinard hurt?

[Jayfan]

Karma isn't a factor either way. Creighton is clearly the better team and is playing much better than WSU.

WSU has no one like PJ Cooz to stop Funk so he will score at will.

Altman is the much better coach as we all witnessed last year.

WSU has no hope.

The Bluejays have no one like A-Train that can score at will down low against the Shockers suffocating defense.:innocent:

[3ontheway]

Karma isn't a factor either way. Creighton is clearly the better team and is playing much better than WSU.

WSU has no one like PJ Cooz to stop Funk so he will score at will.

Altman is the much better coach as we all witnessed last year.

WSU has no hope.

Same quote every year. Maybe he actually believes it. Wish the Jays had their point guard for once in 2 years at Wichita, but they gotta try to grind one out.

Here's to an injury free, well played game.

[TrueBlueJay]

WSU fouls out almost all of their players and Turgeon has to rip his suit off like a super hero and check into the game - MT hits a half court 3 pointer at the buzzer to beat Creighton by 40.

Seriosly - WSU has their backs up against a wall. I don't see how CU comes out with a win tonight.

[Divergence]

Seriosly - WSU has their backs up against a wall. I don't see how CU comes out with a win tonight.

The same thing could have been said for the NIU, SWMO and INDY ST games, and we saw how that all came out.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Seriosly - WSU has their backs up against a wall. I don't see how CU comes out with a win tonight.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if WSU doesn't win. The Jays are going to be battling travel-related issues and stresses. We still don't have Dotzler back. Wichitans hate CU more than anyone else on their schedule and will certainly be very vocal tonight, inspiring their team. Frankly, I was hoping that bad weather would have an effect on attendance, but I expect it would take about seven feet of snow to keep Shocker fans away from a Creighton game.

I'd love a win for so many reasons. But I won't be devastated with a loss. Coming into this two game roadie, I said I'd be ecstatic going 1 and 1. That goal has already been reached. :original:

[Ricky Del Rio]

I believe the outcome will hinge on this on the Jays' 3 ball accuracy.

The Shockers will have to double team Tolliver. If the Jays' are stroking from the 3 line, then the Jays will win.

The best player in the conference will get his points regardless.

And of course, PF + TO < 30 for the Shockers to even have a shot at winning.

[bob]

The key in this game is Wichita's defense.

In their last 8 games (six of which have been losses), Wichita St. has held just three opponents under the NCAA average for points per possession (which is approximately 1). The Shockers won two of those games, and the only loss came to Northern Iowa — a game that they led most of the way.

Creighton has been the polar opposite of Wichita St. The Jays have won every game but one (the second game of the season against Nebraska) in which they have averaged more than a point per possession offensively.

The edge has to go to the Shockers playing at home.

- Bob

www.valleyledger.com (http://www.valleyledger.com)

[Aargh]

I don't see how CU can compete on the road against a nationally-ranked and league-leading WSU. Unfortunately, it requires a really messed-up time machine for WSU to have any of that.

If this game could have been played in November when WSU was beating SU and LSU, and CU was losing to UNL, I'd go with the Shox in a big way. Unfortunately, for WSU, it's January.

If the 9-0 version of Shox '06-'07 shows up, WSU wins pretty easily. If the 2-6 version of the same team shows up, CU wins pretty easily. Chances are the Shox will be some hybrid of this year's Jekyll and Hyde performance.

The Shox do have their backs up against the wall, but that's been an uncomfortable position for them lately.

I'm fixing my sig for this game. If CU wins, I will do something with the Funk line too.

[JVShocker]

Koch Arena will be short one voice tonight, I'm having trouble speaking with a scratchy throat, let alone screaming for the Shocks, yelling at officials, and booing at the Bluejays. I'll have to settle for shrill whistling no matter it be a good or bad call. :banana:

[WSUbballer]

I thought the crowd against Evansville sucked. Not that the Shocks gave us really anything to cheer about.. But, I fully expect a 180 tonight. We may need alot of things to go right to get a W tonight and a little extra help too. Maybe the crowd will lead the charge.. wait, not maybe... DEFINITELY!

:shockers:

[DJShocker10]

I thought the crowd against Evansville sucked. Not that the Shocks gave us really anything to cheer about.. But, I fully expect a 180 tonight. We may need alot of things to go right to get a W tonight and a little extra help too. Maybe the crowd will lead the charge.. wait, not maybe... DEFINITELY!

:shockers:

I did too. Of course we had so many people there who don't normally attend. So that was probably part of the reason it wasn't as loud. But this is a bigger game, and it's against the team that Shocker fans love to hate. I expect it to be a lot louder and more energetic tonight.

:shockers: :shockers: :shockers:

[DJShocker10]

Surprisingly this thread is very inactive. It's gameday people! Shockers and Bluejays! Let's go!

:shockers: :shockers: :shockers:

[DawgieStyle]

Surprisingly this thread is very inactive. It's gameday people! Shockers and Bluejays! Let's go!

:shockers: :shockers: :shockers:

yah shockers suck....woops, im an SIU fan. I want WSU to win actually.....where's the heat boys.

[Cdizzle]

I've been on cough drops since Saturday night, trying to get my voice back in time. Usually it takes at least 3 days, but this weekend I had to pull out all the stops. I'll be doing my part, hope 10-4 others do the same.


About the game. Tolliver and Funk are both good at drawing fouls and then converting on them. Also, foul problems have been a huge issue during the recent slide. I think this will be the biggest factor. If PJ and Wilson are taken out of the game early for foul reasons then the Shox will have SERIOUS issues. If not, it should be a close game.


Heres to a good game!!

:shockers: :valley:

[3ontheway]

Everyone is terrified of karma.

In all seriousness, I would be surprised if CU came out on top. WSU needs this one badly and most likely will not be in very good shape to contend for the title with a loss tonight. I think they will play with a purpose not seen in a few weeks.

I think if Porter can come back from a terrible game at UNI and play as he had been in the 4 games before UNI, the Jays have a chance.

[Cdizzle]

I really agree with the earlier poster that the backs have been up against the wall, and the result has been the same. Maybe we'll click again tonight, we're going to need it.

:shockers: :valley:

[Bird]

I think it all depends on the mind-set of the Shockers. They have had a very tough schedule to start the MVC schedule. However, they have lost 6 of 8, and that will get in the heads of the players.

Are they tough enough to pull it out and get this season turned around, or are they going to wilt under the pressures of the losing streak and currently being in the bottom 1/2 of the Valley when the season started so promising? I also think CU has WSU's number a little bit (22 of the last 26), and the players know it. Based on the threads on Valleytalk, it sounds like they have been doing alot of whining about the refs during the losing streak (even more than usual) and feeling sorry for themselves a little bit (per today's Wichita Eagle article about Wilson). I wonder if Turg can keep them from having a mental meltdown. Turg's team has choked a season away before, but will it happen this year, or will they right the ship. They never really faced any adversity last year (longest losing streak was 2), so it will be interesting to see how they handle the situation.

Dana's gotten his team out of their funk, can Turg do the same? I'm guessing he won't and Dana continues to own Turg.

CU 70
WSU 63

[jaypharmalum]

I will be surprised on a lot of levels if the Jays come home with a win. I'd love to see it happen, but refuse to get bummed out if they lose considering the win at UNI on Friday. The home games against Bradley and SIU this week are much more important to the long term success of the team and are virtually must win games.

[C0|db|00ded]

Because of recent events and the magnitude of this game for the Shockers, I have no question that we will come out with maximum intensity and give it our all. This should be a game that we "get up" for like others in the past which has nearly always spelled success for the Shox. Take into consideration Mark's embarrassing record against the Valley's #2 coach and everybody should be locked and loaded for tonight.

The only thing I am praying against is that Creighton, like nearly every other team that comes into the big-time environment of Koch Arena, doesn't see a star born out of a mediocre player. It seems like there is always somebody from the opposing team who has a career night at Koch Arena. I guess that is the price we pay for playing in one of the nation's most exciting college basketball environments!


T


...:cool:

[DawgieStyle]

Because of recent events and the magnitude of this game for the Shockers, I have no question that we will come out with maximum intensity and give it our all. This should be a game that we "get up" for like others in the past which has nearly always spelled success for the Shox. Take into consideration Mark's embarrassing record against the Valley's #2 coach and everybody should be locked and loaded for tonight.

The only thing I am praying against is that Creighton, like nearly every other team that comes into the big-time environment of Koch Arena, doesn't see a star born out of a mediocre player. It seems like there is always somebody from the opposing team who has a career night at Koch Arena. I guess that is the price we pay for playing in one of the nation's most exciting college basketball environments!


T


...:cool:

so if altman is #2...im going to assume you think Turgeon is #1...and I guess that's based on 1 trip to the NCAA's? Sorry, Turgeon is ok, but Altman is better....he has the resume to prove it. I've been waiting along time to say this since WSU started its slide, but its apparent, Turgeon isn't as good as coach all of you made him out to be. He's good, no doubt, but if WSU's fails to make the dance, it will confirm what I said all off season, that Wichita's trip to the sweet 16 last year, was a fluke. Now, don't get all bent out of shape, I said IF wichita fails to make the dance. They still could, but they better get going, becaue as of right now, they are not in.

[Bird]

Surely you jest Dawgie - the self-proclaimed Class of the Valley couldn't be a one year wonder, could it? :no:

[MSNSaluki]

Because of recent events and the magnitude of this game for the Shockers, I have no question that we will come out with maximum intensity and give it our all. This should be a game that we "get up" for like others in the past which has nearly always spelled success for the Shox. Take into consideration Mark's embarrassing record against the Valley's #2 coach and everybody should be locked and loaded for tonight.

The only thing I am praying against is that Creighton, like nearly every other team that comes into the big-time environment of Koch Arena, doesn't see a star born out of a mediocre player. It seems like there is always somebody from the opposing team who has a career night at Koch Arena. I guess that is the price we pay for playing in one of the nation's most exciting college basketball environments!


T


...:cool:

Ah, we knew he'd come back locked and loaded for the Creighton game!:lol:

[MikeKennedyRulz]

so if altman is #2...im going to assume you think Turgeon is #1...and I guess that's based on 1 trip to the NCAA's? Sorry, Turgeon is ok, but Altman is better....he has the resume to prove it. I've been waiting along time to say this since WSU started its slide, but its apparent, Turgeon isn't as good as coach all of you made him out to be. He's good, no doubt, but if WSU's fails to make the dance, it will confirm what I said all off season, that Wichita's trip to the sweet 16 last year, was a fluke. Now, don't get all bent out of shape, I said IF wichita fails to make the dance. They still could, but they better get going, becaue as of right now, they are not in.

Turgeon has as many wins in his one appearance in the NCAA's as Altman has in his however many with CU. It's not only about getting there, it's about winning once you get there.

[DawgieStyle]

Turgeon has as many wins in his one appearance in the NCAA's as Altman has in his however many with CU. It's not only about getting there, it's about winning once you get there.

I thought you were ignoring me........anyway, I agree with part of that....but you also have to make it in the first place to win in it as well. Regardless of how you want to slice it, Altman has had the better career so far, he just has, granted he's been at it longer than Turgeon, but Turgeon still has a lot of catching up to do in my opinion, as do most Valley coaches. Maybe some day, I will think Turgeon, or Lowery, or Jacobsen is better than Altman, but not yet.

[jaypharmalum]

Turgeon has as many wins in his one appearance in the NCAA's as Altman has in his however many with CU. It's not only about getting there, it's about winning once you get there.

Kent State made an Elite 8 run a few years ago.. George Mason made it to the Final Four - I think it's fair to say those were aberrations. While I respect what WSU did last year (and cheered them while doing it), I think it's a bit far fetched to annoint anyone based on a one year or one Sweet 16 trip in the NCAA tournament.

[getreal4]

please start the game!

[DoubleJayAlum]

Turgeon has as many wins in his one appearance in the NCAA's as Altman has in his however many with CU. It's not only about getting there, it's about winning once you get there.

Welcome back Mike; I thought you fell off the face of the earth!!

Dotzler has been cleared to play. Expect to see him for a few minutes tonight!!!:grin:

[GivEmDaShocker24]

Ouch, Tolliver blocked Cooz' dunk.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Nick Bahe for two big threes!!!!!!!

Dotzler in the game and looking good...

[getreal4]

suprised to see Dotzler?

[DoubleJayAlum]

suprised to see Dotzler?

First game back from the injury.

WSU 21 CU 20 7:30

[siudog]

score and time in the first half

:salukis:

[DoubleJayAlum]

WSU 28 CU 23 4:00 left

[DoubleJayAlum]

WSU 32 CU 28 5.3 secs

[DoubleJayAlum]

Funk goes coast to coast with a basket at the buzzer

32-30 WSU at the half

[Jayfan]

Will we have another last second finish?

[GivEmDaShocker24]

possibly. Hopefully with the same turnout as last year.

[GivEmDaShocker24]

Two tres by ogirri, shocks on top 38-32!!!

[GivEmDaShocker24]

42-38 Shocks, not sure how much time is left because KWCH doesn't have the clock time up.

[jaypharmalum]

Wilson and Ogirri look good. It seems like AT could have his way down low at times, but it's not working out and he's missed two layups/dunks.

Jays lucky to be down only 4 - still in this one.

:jays:

[GivEmDaShocker24]

44-41 Shocks

[DoubleJayAlum]

Porter with an old fashioned 3 pt play to tie it up at 44

[GivEmDaShocker24]

46-44 Shocks, Creightons ball underneath the basket.

[jaypharmalum]

This has the feel of a last second buzzer beater, doesn't it?

[GivEmDaShocker24]

50-44 Shockers

[GivEmDaShocker24]

Shocks 50-49,7:55 left, starting to get a little nervous.

[jaypharmalum]

When Creighton gets into their offensive set, they are getting some great looks at the basket. The problem is that they've been way too careless with the ball of late.

Shox by 1 - under 8:00 break. Jays ball.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Funk with a wide open three

Refs are really letting them play this half

[GivEmDaShocker24]

Shocks always get ahead, look like they're gonna run away, and creighton comes back with some threes.

[GivEmDaShocker24]

3:23 WSU 55-54

[DoubleJayAlum]

55-54 wsu 3:23 left

[jaypharmalum]

Shox by 3- under 3:00 to play. Jays ball.

[LincolnJay]

Best game WSU has played in 6 weeks and we still have a good chance for the road win.

Go JAYS!!

[superjay]

Down by one. Is it just me or is this a good game? anyone else on the edge of their seats?

Could we please turn the ball over one more time?

[DoubleJayAlum]

57-56 WSU 1:09

[GivEmDaShocker24]

KWCH doesn't have the shot or game clock up and I've been watching the whole game without knowing the time.

[cpacmel]

Keep those updates coming. :original:

[GivEmDaShocker24]

NICE DEFENSE BABY!!!

[GivEmDaShocker24]

33 seconds left shocks up 59-56

[GivEmDaShocker24]

shocks ball

[GivEmDaShocker24]

28 seconds left, jays ball, shocks up 4. IM NERVOUS!ah...foul pj...funk gets 3 FTs.........:doh:

[GivEmDaShocker24]

MISSES FIRST!!!!!!!

[GivEmDaShocker24]

makes second...MISSES LAST BABY!!! Sean fouled!!!!!!!!

[GivEmDaShocker24]

oh no oh no, 60-59 WSU......AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

[cpacmel]

FINAL?

[DoubleJayAlum]

Ogirri 91% for the year and misses front end

Funk drives for 2

60-59 WSU 7.4 secs Wilson at the line

[GivEmDaShocker24]

funk fouls kyle, one of the best FT shooters on the team. 7 seconds left. 1 and 1. makes first.

[ISU87]

man, what a freakin' game!

my 500th post, how exciting.

[GivEmDaShocker24]

MAKES BOTH 6.5 left, 3 POINT LEAD BABY!!!!!

[GivEmDaShocker24]

3 OPINT LBODKCED BY PJ FINAL BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!:grin: :grin: :grin: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :clap: :clap: :chair: :chair: :chair: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

[cuhoops]

3 OPINT LBODKCED BY PJ FINAL BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!:grin: :grin: :grin: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :clap: :clap: :chair: :chair: :chair: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
blocked? or mugged?

[jaypharmalum]

Good game.. Slugfest all the way - Jays had several opportunities to take the lead down 1 point and couldn't get over the hump.

Proud of the Jays effort.

:jays:

[ISU87]

wow, it's just gonna be a logjam at the top of the conference. good win shox!

[getreal4]

Congrats Shocks! Jays, great effort on the road in a tough environment.

[GivEmDaShocker24]

OK. Two game winning streak. That was one of the best college basketball games I've watched all season. And even better because of the turnout.

[tennis08tarheels]

Sounds like a terrific game from both teams. WSU needed, and wanted, it a little more, I think.

[GivEmDaShocker24]

EVERy team in the conference with two losses at least.

[ShockerPrez]

Shox just need to keep this thing rolling. Need to get on a little winning streak and start making the teams at the top sweat their games out.

Great win Shox, ata baby!

[CURx]

blocked? or mugged?

Blocked.

Give props to WSU (specifically Wilson and Ogirri). Backs against the wall and came out swingin'. Too bad the Jays couldn't take advantage of a few possessions cause WSU certainly gave them every opportunity to win the game. Should be a fun stretch run here.

[cjp27]

blocked? or mugged?

Blocked. :grin: And PJ showed some serious courage going up to try and block it after he fouled Funk from the three point line on the previous play.

One of the best games I've watched in a long time. Hats off to both teams!

[jaypharmalum]

I'm surpirsed that CU didn't try to get the ball into Tolliver more - it seemed that when he got position, he could score every time. Ultimately, turnovers killed the Jays.

[Jayman]

Great game Shox, congratulations!

[Jayball]

good game Shocks.

Exciting stuff. Can't wait for the rematch. Hopefully it means something big!

[jaypharmalum]

good game Shocks.

Exciting stuff. Can't wait for the rematch. Hopefully it means something big!

ooooohhh, last game of the season - Shox at Creighton. I see a record crowd for that one - is there any way we can jam 18,000 into the Qwest?

[GivEmDaShocker24]

I'm more nervous for that game in Omaha than any other game. That game was that close at home when we did shoot well.

[creightonfever]

such a frustrating game... yes that game was winnable and we threw it away..

Nate with only 14pts? Yeah thats average and not bad, but I expect a lot out of him. That last shot bothers me. Nate wasnt open at all, he had 3 guys on him and still took the shot.

Also--he is a 91% FT shooter and he misses 2/3 of them on very very KEY points?

Good game shox.. but we will return you guys a favor when you come to omaha.. :innocent:

[shockerfan13]

Exciting game...just the way you would expect a WSU vs CU game. Refs let the kids decide the game, officiating was pretty even both ways. An epic battle between 2 teams that have each gone through their struggles...loved it.

Not looking forward to the trip to Omaha on their Senior night...but will enjoy this one while I can!! :)

[bcrawf]

Could 12-6 get a share of the title this year??...

[C0|db|00ded]

Creighton played a helluva game but...


http://members.cox.net/econoshox/deadbluejaywu.jpg


T


...:cool:

[blueness]

Tough loss for the Jays.

There was a stench of desperation from the Shocks... :naughty: just kidding, Wilson and Ogirri stepped up (and Thomasson hits those two big free throws late, while Nate misses 2 of 3...who knew!!)

Neither team was overly impressive tonight.

Both of these teams have been built up and knocked back down this season. They are battle tested. I would be afraid to play either one of them.

Nate's shots weren't falling, but he stuck with it and still found a way to keep us in the game. Double teams neutralized AT.

Wilson played like Dirk in the first half. Wow.

Glad we don't have to play them again until Senior Day, should be a classic.


GO GET THE BRAVES THURSDAY JAYS

:jays: :jays: :jays:
:valley: :valley: :valley:

[WSUbballer]

Excellent, exciting basketball game!

Cooz as always stepped with the D when it mattered most.
Wilson and Ogirri were feelin' it!

Wooooo, 3-4 never felt sooo good!!!

:shockers: :shockers:

(Good game CU)

[C0|db|00ded]

Creighton was very impressive tonight, they simply succumbed to stifling defense. Wichita State was slightly more impressive. The Jays always play out of their *****es when they come to Koch however the Shox were in top form playing the defense of old and knocking down the important shots.

If you like college basketball you aren't going to get a better experience than I got tonight; it was worth 300 dollars a ticket! Thank you Creighton and thank you Dana for playing exciting basketball!


T


...:cool:

[blueness]

Creighton was very impressive tonight, they simply succumbed to stifling defense. Wichita State was slightly more impressive. The Jays always play out of their *****es when they come to Koch however the Shox were in top form playing the defense of old and knocking down the important shots.

If you like college basketball you aren't going to get a better experience than I got tonight; it was worth 300 dollars a ticket! Thank you Creighton and thank you Dana for playing exciting basketball!


T


...:cool:

It was definately a game that should have been on FSNMidwest or one of the ESPNs....

What a dog fight this is going to be..... :valley:

[JBizLN]

Tough loss for the Jays.

There was a stench of desperation from the Shocks... :naughty: just kidding, Wilson and Ogirri stepped up (and Thomasson hits those two big free throws late, while Nate misses 2 of 3...who knew!!)

Neither team was overly impressive tonight.

Both of these teams have been built up and knocked back down this season. They are battle tested. I would be afraid to play either one of them.

Nate's shots weren't falling, but he stuck with it and still found a way to keep us in the game. Double teams neutralized AT.

Wilson played like Dirk in the first half. Wow.

Glad we don't have to play them again until Senior Day, should be a classic.


GO GET THE BRAVES THURSDAY JAYS

:jays: :jays: :jays:
:valley: :valley: :valley:

I'm glad to see someone agrees with me that neither team looked that good. Despite the fact that I don't think I saw great basketball, it was definitely an exciting game. I'm looking forward to the rematch.

[Tasmanian Devil]

Great game! I was very impressed by CU. Every time the Shox would run out to a 6-8 point lead, they'd put a halt to it.

And to those fans saying Creighton gave the game away....:bash:

[shockerfan13]

Great game! I was very impressed by CU. Every time the Shox would run out to a 6-8 point lead, they'd put a halt to it.

And to those fans saying Creighton gave the game away....:bash:


What else would you expect CU fans to say? They are too arrogant to EVER admit they lost to a better team...at least for tonight.

[Michigan J. Frog]

Could 12-6 get a share of the title this year??...

Possibly, but I think 11-5 gets it.

[WSUbballer]

blocked? or mugged?
:no:
Which game were you watching? From my angle, it looked as clean as ever. I did tape the game so I'm gonna see it again.
Come on now... you gotta give it up to the kid, even if it kills ya...

[MVC Fan]

It was definately a game that should have been on FSNMidwest or one of the ESPNs....

Considering how spectacular both were last year, I honestly can't believe it wasn't. What a shame.

[jaypharmalum]

What else would you expect CU fans to say? They are too arrogant to EVER admit they lost to a better team...at least for tonight.

Whatever.. good game. Jays fans have moved on already in anticipation of games with Bradley and SIU at home this week.

Your needless inflammatory comments can be directed to the trash board as a quick review of the posts after the game would indicate most Jays fans gave Wilson and Ogirri a pat on the back and wished we could have made some plays at the end to steal this one.

[Michigan J. Frog]

The block looks clean to me:

http://www.kansas.com/images/kansas/kansas/16467/271175311001.jpg

[siudog]

The block looks clean to me:

http://www.kansas.com/images/kansas/kansas/16467/271175311001.jpg

Where is Funk's right hand is it with the ball???:ermm:

:lol:

If the official thought it was a foul he would have called it...:doh:

:salukis:

[iSASO]

Great game by both teams.

Someone on Shockernet predicted Cooz would stuff Funk to preserve the win. He was right. Get the Funk outta here.

I'll have to ask the friends I took to the game how it compared to the Okie State-Pitt game they went to earlier this season.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Wow, that was fun. I have no voice left after screeming nearly the entire game. Talk about an intense game from start to finish.

How good was Ogirri? That fade away 3 in the corner was amazing, and he also had the pullup jumpshot working well.

Wilson was back to being the player we had come to expect earlier in the year. 18 points well before halftime.

Is PJ a clutch defender or what? Just like the Syracuse game, he blocks the potential game tying shot. By the way, in the press conference after the game, Cooz said that the foul call on Funk's prior 3 point attempt was a bad call, and that he blocked it cleanly. I don't say this to criticize the refs, they were pretty good. I say this just to point out how stinkin' clutch this guy was. Amazing.

Creighton, you guys played a very solid game. This was basketball at a very high level.

[Ricky Del Rio]

The block looks clean to me:

http://www.kansas.com/images/kansas/kansas/16467/271175311001.jpg

Ah! The damning evidence. Smoking gun, if you will.

On the first block by PJ of a Funk shot, it was a very ticky call. I sit right on that corner and it was ticky. Actually, I saw no contact. My neighbor thought PJ might have nicked Funk's hand, after PJ hit the ball.

[ShockerLager]

P.J. has a last second block of a Funk shot, the Shox win, the fans storm the court.

Pretty much, except no storming the court. Great game to watch. Good calls on both sides.

[MSNSaluki]

It must have been a helluva game because I was expecting an all-out nuclear war between Wichita and Creighton fans in this thread.

Instead, you guys are being civil and complementary to each other.

It's a world gone mad!:valley: :shockers: :jays:

[cuhoops]

:no:
Which game were you watching? From my angle, it looked as clean as ever. I did tape the game so I'm gonna see it again.
Come on now... you gotta give it up to the kid, even if it kills ya...


I posted that about 5 seconds after PJ blocked him. It was clean, i was pissed.


go jays

[iSASO]

So true, MSNSaluki. Creighton is an outstanding team. WSU was better.

Altman prepared his plan and his guys executed it.
Turgeon prepared his plan and his guys executed it.

Turgeon's team and gameplan won out.

[cuhoops]

And... creighton did, to some extent, give the game away. We were down 4 and our best player gets fouled on a 3. IF he made all 3, we'd be down 1. Ogirri missed the 1st, so we would've had a chance to win the ballgame right there. But on the other side of things, WSU's 90% FT shooter missed one too. The jays missed some oppurtunities, but so did the shockers. Hopefully we can win against you guys on senior night at the Q...:jays:

[shocker3]

This was an awesome game to watch. As I recall WSU never led by more than 8 and it was usually a lot less.

A very close game from start to finish, that doesn't happen that often.

It is interesting that both teams' 90%+ Free Throwers missed big FTs down the stretch.

PJ's block of a Funk 3 was a fantastic finish to the game!

I am not looking forward to the game in Omaha, it will be very very tough.

[MVC 4 Life]

And... creighton did, to some extent, give the game away. We were down 4 and our best player gets fouled on a 3. IF he made all 3, we'd be down 1. Ogirri missed the 1st, so we would've had a chance to win the ballgame right there. But on the other side of things, WSU's 90% FT shooter missed one too. The jays missed some oppurtunities, but so did the shockers. Hopefully we can win against you guys on senior night at the Q...:jays:

Are you serious? This just sounds weird "Creighton did, to some extent, give the game away. We were down 4” How do you give the game away when you are down 4. :innocent:

[IH8SIU]

That;s a pretty simple answer... FREE THROWS.

[mproviz]

And... creighton did, to some extent, give the game away. We were down 4 and our best player gets fouled on a 3. IF he made all 3, we'd be down 1. Ogirri missed the 1st, so we would've had a chance to win the ballgame right there. But on the other side of things, WSU's 90% FT shooter missed one too. The jays missed some oppurtunities, but so did the shockers. Hopefully we can win against you guys on senior night at the Q...:jays:

I'm pretty certain the student section behind the goal had quite a bit to do with funk missing those two ft's... that had to look (and sound) pretty scary...:bounceblue:

[shocker3]

I'm pretty certain the student section behind the goal had quite a bit to do with funk missing those two ft's... that had to look (and sound) pretty scary...:bounceblue:

Funk is a 5th year senior who has played in Wichita several times, I wouldn't think that the student noise and waving should bother him.

But I would certainly like to think that it did.

[Omaha Cowboy]

I have to congratulate WSU for a great game and their fans for a great atmosphere..I can't wait for the rematch in Omaha..

Now the Jays play their nemisis SIU at the Qwest Center this Saturday night..Quite nearly a must game for the Jays confidence level heading into the mid-point of conference play..I'll be there, screaming my lungs out..

:jays: ..

..Ciao..LiO....Peace

[kabullseye]

And... creighton did, to some extent, give the game away. We were down 4 and our best player gets fouled on a 3. IF he made all 3, we'd be down 1. Ogirri missed the 1st, so we would've had a chance to win the ballgame right there. But on the other side of things, WSU's 90% FT shooter missed one too. The jays missed some oppurtunities, but so did the shockers. Hopefully we can win against you guys on senior night at the Q...:jays:

Yeah, CU; IF birds had machine guns, THEN cats wouldn't mess with them. IF the dog hadn't stopped to take a dump, THEN he would have cought the rabbit.

[kabullseye]

Funk is a 5th year senior who has played in Wichita several times, I wouldn't think that the student noise and waving should bother him.

But I would certainly like to think that it did.

Unless of course, Funk is on the take.

[goshoxgo]

That;s a pretty simple answer... FREE THROWS.

If I remember correctly the shockers almost gave it away with that logic.

Didn't Ogirri and Brauer (both 80% + free throw shooters) missed a couple of big free throws to allow the blue jays stay within a two possesion game with under a minute to go?

Look, good game by both teams, nobody gave anything away. Move on

[outpost]

blocked? or mugged?

Good game, creighton fans. Your team played well, and [SHOULD] have no excuses. This guy threw one out, but it was clean. Plenty of bodily separation there. The real mugging took place in the scrum that followed.

Nevertheless, good game creighton.

[outpost]

such a frustrating game... yes that game was winnable and we threw it away..

Nate with only 14pts? Yeah thats average and not bad, but I expect a lot out of him. That last shot bothers me. Nate wasnt open at all, he had 3 guys on him and still took the shot.

Also--he is a 91% FT shooter and he misses 2/3 of them on very very KEY points?

Good game shox.. but we will return you guys a favor when you come to omaha.. :innocent:

Posted on our bulletin board. Thanks.

[Ictjay]

Sat in the west corner on the floor...One of the best ref'd games I've seen because I didn't notice the refs even being there. Hard fought, no ticky tack/even it up calls.
Felt Jays had game in hand until Porter decided to do everything himself. Good win Shox. I feel good about the Jays. (why does Hibna play??

[kabullseye]

Sat in the west corner on the floor...One of the best ref'd games I've seen because I didn't notice the refs even being there. Hard fought, no ticky tack/even it up calls.
Felt Jays had game in hand until Porter decided to do everything himself. Good win Shox. I feel good about the Jays. (why does Hibna play??

Hibma plays because he is from Iowa, and Dana knows without Iowa kids he is sucking wind. (Funk, Korver, etc......)

[LincolnJay]

Hibma plays because he is from Iowa, and Dana knows without Iowa kids he is sucking wind. (Funk, Korver, etc......)

Still pissed we kicked your butt on your home floor?

Go away loser.

[kabullseye]

Still pissed we kicked your butt on your home floor?

Go away loser.

Not as miffed as you are with the late game fade last night. Unless of course, you can list a recruiting state (Iowa) that has had a greater impact on the Creighton program.

Thought so.

[jaypharmalum]

Not as miffed as you are with the late game fade last night. Unless of course, you can list a recruiting state (Iowa) that has had a greater impact on the Creighton program.

Thought so.

Obviously, Iowa high school talent has been impressed with what the Jays have done against the collegiate teams (notably Drake and UNI) in the state of Iowa and decided to cross the river for their higher learning.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Great game Jays. The crowd was great and the outcome (from a Shocker perspective) was even better. I thought Dotzler looked ok, but a bit rusty (as is to be expected after the layoff). Miles looked ok and will be really good when he develops a shot repitoire. In a couple of years, CU could have a REALLY nice guard combo if those two develop like they can. I have never seen Funk miss so many shots and I think it was mostly due to PJ's defense. Another thing that goes unnoticed is the defensive effort from Sean Ogirri. He played tremendous D! Porter tried to come right at him multiple times and Sean held his ground. A year ago, Sean would have wilted and been pushed around. There is no question the block of Funk's last shot was clean. I didn't get a good look at the other one that was called a foul so I am not sure about that one. I think if the ref thought it was a foul so be it, the refs did an outstanding job last night of letting the kids play and calling fouls only when it was an obvious situation that affected the play. In big games like that one, you should let the players decide the game.

I have the game on my DVR and I plan on making a DVD copy for myself. I would be willing to make up to 5 more copies at no charge for anybody that wants one. PM if you are interested.

:shockers:

[martymoose]

Not as miffed as you are with the late game fade last night. Unless of course, you can list a recruiting state (Iowa) that has had a greater impact on the Creighton program.

Thought so.

Not sure why you're piling it on the Jays fans.... Every program goes out and finds the best players they can where ever they may be. As for CU and UNI, if I were a UNI fan, I'd be pissed because CU is taking all the best players from our home state.

[shockball]

Creighton was my preseason pick and has remained so even through the rocky start. Altman gets his kids to buy into his system, it just took a little longer this year. It is a very good team.

Single degree weather last night, ice on the ground, the game is on local TV and Koch was still packed. OMG that was fun.

[DUShock]

Considering how spectacular both were last year, I honestly can't believe it wasn't. What a shame.

I suspect it was originally short listed by ESPN or FSN for viewing but with the Shocks skid and CU lackluster start somewhere along the line it was relegated to local viewing :banghead:

Go Valley!!

Go Shocks!!!!

[ShockerEngr]

What was up with the creighton fans that came to Koch with Nebraska gear on?

I can understand the fans that do that at home (we've got our own collection of KU groupies) but an away game?

[IH8SIU]

The Jayskers are a breed of their own. I personally belive they should be publicly hanged, but if we start this we might have a 20 page thread in the next half hour. So my answer for "what is up with that" is if a person believes he can be a Creighton and Nebraska fan at the same time, then there is obviously something wrong with them mentally. Therefore, it does not surprise me to see Nebraska gear, even on a road game. I think these people might be color blind. The geear probably looked blue when they put it on. Terrible I know, but what can I do? Good game last night. We said 1-1 on that road trip wpuld be more than enough, but I got greedy. That one hurt.

:jays:

[Ricky Del Rio]

I posted that about 5 seconds after PJ blocked him. It was clean, i was pissed.


go jays

A man's man.

"When you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically."

Dale Carnegie.

[Ricky Del Rio]

That;s a pretty simple answer... FREE THROWS.

If a frog had wings.....

[Ricky Del Rio]

Sat in the west corner on the floor...One of the best ref'd games I've seen because I didn't notice the refs even being there. Hard fought, no ticky tack/even it up calls.
Felt Jays had game in hand until Porter decided to do everything himself. Good win Shox. I feel good about the Jays. (why does Hibna play??

The Hibna question is a good one. I thought about it, during the game.

I do not know for sure, but I suspect CU depth is lacking. I assume he plays a caretaker role.

He played 13 minutes and his line would have been all zeros except for the two missed shots and one personal foul.

Gakou almost had perfect zeros, but he managed a personal foul.

Some are still insisting Funk is overrated, but not in my corner. He is so dominating. Teams fear him and last night, the Shockers were playing to prevent Funk from beating them in the closing seconds.

[Ricky Del Rio]

P.J. has a last second block of a Funk shot, the Shox win, the fans storm the court.

Oh my! A soothsayer.

[kabullseye]

Not sure why you're piling it on the Jays fans.... Every program goes out and finds the best players they can where ever they may be. As for CU and UNI, if I were a UNI fan, I'd be pissed because CU is taking all the best players from our home state.

SAME "of the best players from our home state".

Relax, Marty; I have Creighton taking the Valley Regular Season. Big guys who hit big shots usually win big games.

[ShockerEngr]

Some are still insisting Funk is overrated, but not in my corner. He is so dominating. Teams fear him and last night, the Shockers were playing to prevent Funk from beating them in the closing seconds.
2 years ago I would have been far more worried seein Funk with the ball that close to the end (not that it would have mattered who it was two years ago...:boxed:) This year, it doesn't seem that he is as dominating as he once was.

[goshoxgo]

Sat in the west corner on the floor...One of the best ref'd games I've seen because I didn't notice the refs even being there. Hard fought, no ticky tack/even it up calls.
Felt Jays had game in hand until Porter decided to do everything himself. Good win Shox. I feel good about the Jays. (why does Hibna play??

I'm sorry but I have to ask, please give a description at which point CU had the game in hand?

If I remember correctly CU had the lead with about 1 minute into the game, is that when they had it in hand?

[MoValley John]

What was up with the creighton fans that came to Koch with Nebraska gear on?

I can understand the fans that do that at home (we've got our own collection of KU groupies) but an away game?

I think it's a completely different mindset than you will find in Wichita. This is just my opinion, but in Omaha, without a pro team to root for, the people follow teams by sport, i.e Nebraska football and Creighton basketball. Pro baseball is split between the Cubs, Cards and lastly, Royals. As for college baseball, like the rest of the country, people here don't care; the CWS is just a novelty. Nebraska football is the dominant team in the area, so you would find people wearing Husker gear at the game because it is what they own. Also, being a private institution, there really isn't as strong a tie in with Creighton and the City of Omaha as there is with Wichita State and the City of Wichita. Not to say that the die hard fans don't suffer, but believe it or not, life in Omaha does not revolve around Creighton basketball. It's growing, but it's not passionate. Therefore, a Creighton win or loss garners fewer smiles or tears in Omaha as a Wichita State win or loss does in Wichita.

Myself, I am not a Creighton fan, but attend some games because this is where I live, but I hate the Huskers. So if it were me attending the game, wearing red, blue, black or gold would have been purely coincidental. The only colors I own are Cubs and Bears gear.

[DoubleJayAlum]

I haven't read a lot of this thread, so I apologize if this is repetitive.

Very, very frustrating. I did not post after the game last night because I was sooo frustrated and need to calm down.

The frustration was due to all of the poor decisions and turnovers the Jays made. The number of turnovers was completely unacceptable and, frankly, embarassing. They also came at some key moments. But the most frustrating thing about it is that many of the turnovers were, to use a tennis phrase, "unforced errors". Don't get me wrong, WSU played great D, but that D was not what caused so many of the turnovers. There were passes thrown out of bounds and passes without any zip on them whatsoever. Just plain frustrating :no:

Shox certainly came out inspired and played like a team with its back against the wall. I wish I could say the same about the Jays. The Jays performance was just plain sloppy.

According to the local affiliate, the Omaha affiliate and Wichita affiliate split the cost of the game feed and we both saw the exact same TV feed. I've never been to Koch before, but I wanted to know from a WSU'er - what is up with the camera angles? It was hard to watch the coverage at times because of the strange sight lines.

[ShockerEngr]

According to the local affiliate, the Omaha affiliate and Wichita affiliate split the cost of the game feed and we both saw the exact same TV feed. I've never been to Koch before, but I wanted to know from a WSU'er - what is up with the camera angles? It was hard to watch the coverage at times because of the strange sight lines.

The camera's sit at the same level as the main concourse, so they aren't as high up as some arenas. In person, it's a great view because you still have depth perception, but on tv, it comes out lookin a bit flat and hard to tell the depth. Fox often puts a camera high up in the student section, but it only works so well since it's behind the basket. With the layout of the arena, there's really no way to get the cameras higher unless they mounted them to the roof, which would probably put them too high.

[Ictjay]

I'm sorry but I have to ask, please give a description at which point CU had the game in hand?

If I remember correctly CU had the lead with about 1 minute into the game, is that when they had it in hand?


2 possessions with less than 2 to play and down 1 on the road. I like those chances.

[tgcshock]

2 possessions with less than 2 to play and down 1 on the road. I like those chances.

You might like the chances but that is exactly what it is "a chance." It is clearly not having the game in hand. Having the game in hand means that you are ahead significantly enough that unless you make major mistakes you will not lose.

[ShockBand]

They used to have the main action camera way up at the top of the "center" section on the west side. To do that now they would have to give up probably at least 15 seats for clearance. But, with the cameras where they are now in that midway up spot, they block the view for the first couple of rows above them somewhat.

Personally, I wish they would move the TV camera bay back up to the top. It is a weird angle on TV.

[TrueBlueJay]

Congrats to the Shox - you won a very exciting and entertaining college hoops game last night.

Focus is now on Bradley - can't go back and win last night's game...it's over and done with.

[martymoose]

SAME "of the best players from our home state".

Relax, Marty; I have Creighton taking the Valley Regular Season. Big guys who hit big shots usually win big games.

LOL, Relax? You're right, I'm really worked up about this one, I better calm down. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually, I prefer to go with the team who has big players who block game winning/game tying shots.....

[cuhoops]

Not as miffed as you are with the late game fade last night. Unless of course, you can list a recruiting state (Iowa) that has had a greater impact on the Creighton program.

Thought so.



Nice slam earlier on the guy who dropped 24 on your home floor. Still sad about Funk owning ole Benny?




BTW, i apologize for saying funk got mugged, i really need to learn to not post a minute after the game ends...:helpsmilie:


:jays:

[shocker3]

I think it's a completely different mindset than you will find in Wichita. This is just my opinion, but in Omaha, without a pro team to root for, the people follow teams by sport, i.e Nebraska football and Creighton basketball. Pro baseball is split between the Cubs, Cards and lastly, Royals. As for college baseball, like the rest of the country, people here don't care; the CWS is just a novelty. Nebraska football is the dominant team in the area, so you would find people wearing Husker gear at the game because it is what they own. Also, being a private institution, there really isn't as strong a tie in with Creighton and the City of Omaha as there is with Wichita State and the City of Wichita. Not to say that the die hard fans don't suffer, but believe it or not, life in Omaha does not revolve around Creighton basketball. It's growing, but it's not passionate. Therefore, a Creighton win or loss garners fewer smiles or tears in Omaha as a Wichita State win or loss does in Wichita.

Myself, I am not a Creighton fan, but attend some games because this is where I live, but I hate the Huskers. So if it were me attending the game, wearing red, blue, black or gold would have been purely coincidental. The only colors I own are Cubs and Bears gear.


Somebody in Omaha must care about college baseball.

Every time CU and UNL play in Omaha they draw 15,000 plus to the Blatt.

The Omaha Royals don't draw that well except on the 4th of July, so I don't think they are showing up by accident expecting to see a Royals game.:valley:

[MoValley John]

Somebody in Omaha must care about college baseball.

Every time CU and UNL play in Omaha they draw 15,000 plus to the Blatt.

The Omaha Royals don't draw that well except on the 4th of July, so I don't think they are showing up by accident expecting to see a Royals game.:valley:

Once again, the Creighton/Nebraska thing is a novelty, a once a year deal where people show up to be seen and have fun. Even I went once, rained like a mother, got drunk, was a good time- didn't pay much attention to the game. As far as college baseball, they follow the Huskers pretty good in Lincoln, not so much in Omaha, but then again, they have a multi-million dollar ballpark and are winning. The so-called Husker baseball fans still show up for games in their Tommie Frazier football jerseys and scream "balk" every time the opposing pitcher pulls his foot off the rubber.

[shocker3]

Once again, the Creighton/Nebraska thing is a novelty, a once a year deal where people show up to be seen and have fun. Even I went once, rained like a mother, got drunk, was a good time- didn't pay much attention to the game.

As far as college baseball, they follow the Huskers pretty good in Lincoln, not so much in Omaha, but then again, they have a multi-million dollar ballpark and are winning. The so-called Husker baseball fans still show up for games in their Tommie Frazier football jerseys and scream "balk" every time the opposing pitcher pulls his foot off the rubber.

Having been to a few WSU-UNL baseball games in Lincoln, I totally agree with you about that!

They do football cheers during the game, they think that every long fly out is going to be home run and they Boo at every call they don't like (even the many calls they don't seem to understand). :valley:

[kabullseye]

I think it's a completely different mindset than you will find in Wichita. This is just my opinion, but in Omaha, without a pro team to root for, the people follow teams by sport, i.e Nebraska football and Creighton basketball. Pro baseball is split between the Cubs, Cards and lastly, Royals. As for college baseball, like the rest of the country, people here don't care; the CWS is just a novelty. Nebraska football is the dominant team in the area, so you would find people wearing Husker gear at the game because it is what they own. Also, being a private institution, there really isn't as strong a tie in with Creighton and the City of Omaha as there is with Wichita State and the City of Wichita. Not to say that the die hard fans don't suffer, but believe it or not, life in Omaha does not revolve around Creighton basketball. It's growing, but it's not passionate. Therefore, a Creighton win or loss garners fewer smiles or tears in Omaha as a Wichita State win or loss does in Wichita.

Myself, I am not a Creighton fan, but attend some games because this is where I live, but I hate the Huskers. So if it were me attending the game, wearing red, blue, black or gold would have been purely coincidental. The only colors I own are Cubs and Bears gear.

Knew it had to be the Cubs, just knew it.

[MoValley John]

Knew it had to be the Cubs, just knew it.

Born and raised in Chicagoland you idiot.

[iSASO]

Maybe someday, just maybe, Omahaians will love their team as much as Wichitans love theirs.

I like K-State but in the hundreds of games I've attended at WSU in multiple sports, I've never once been tempted to wear their gear. Not even once. Omahaians, get with the program. Does your Creighton gear not give you the same self-esteem boost as your NU gear? Is your NU gear your safety blanket?

[WSUbballer]

BTW, i apologize for saying funk got mugged, i really need to learn to not post a minute after the game ends...:helpsmilie:


:jays:

Don't worry about it. I do the same thing. It's all good. Great b-ball game... too bad someone hadda lose this one.

[Urbandale Panther]

The Jayskers are a breed of their own. I personally belive they should be publicly hanged, but if we start this we might have a 20 page thread in the next half hour. So my answer for "what is up with that" is if a person believes he can be a Creighton and Nebraska fan at the same time, then there is obviously something wrong with them mentally. Therefore, it does not surprise me to see Nebraska gear, even on a road game. I think these people might be color blind. The geear probably looked blue when they put it on. Terrible I know, but what can I do? Good game last night. We said 1-1 on that road trip wpuld be more than enough, but I got greedy. That one hurt.

:jays:

Not too different from going to a Drake game in Des Moines.

http://whotv.com/Global/category.asp?C=5536&nav=menu100_4

Scroll down to "What's bugging Andy? (1/7/07) to get the opinion of a Drake alum. It is WELL WORTH your time.

My favorite quote is "It's a sad state of affairs when there is more blue hair than blue shirts."

[NoPlaceLikeDome]

Well, to be logical and realistic. Creighton fans need to realize that since they have no Division I football team, a majority of Creighton athletic fans are going to want to find a team to support for football, and that leaves nearby and former powerhouse Nebraska. It is an easy and simple fit. Nebraska for football and Creighton for basketball (and everything else). But when you do that for so long, you get very attached to Nebraska as well. Therefore you have your "duel fan."

UNI has this problem, but I doubt to the degree Creighton does. Drake sure has it though. Bottom line is, for the most part, football is the most important sport, so you better have a team and be good at it or your school will have a lot of duel fans.

[tgcshock]

Well, to be logical and realistic. Creighton fans need to realize that since they have no Division I football team, a majority of Creighton athletic fans are going to want to find a team to support for football, and that leaves nearby and former powerhouse Nebraska. It is an easy and simple fit. Nebraska for football and Creighton for basketball (and everything else). But when you do that for so long, you get very attached to Nebraska as well. Therefore you have your "duel fan."

UNI has this problem, but I doubt to the degree Creighton does. Drake sure has it though. Bottom line is, for the most part, football is the most important sport, so you better have a team and be good at it or your school will have a lot of duel fans.

Well, technically, duel fans like to watch people fight with swords or pistols while dual fans are fans of two teams at the same time. I'm assuming that dual duel fans like to root for two different people who are defending their honor. :grin:

[kabullseye]

Born and raised in Chicagoland you idiot.

You can blame your ancestors for that. Besides, Chicago is close enough to Milwaukee, St. Louis, Minneapolis, and Cincinatti not to be stuck with the Scrubs. Unless a defeatist mentality.....

[MoValley John]

Maybe someday, just maybe, Omahaians will love their team as much as Wichitans love theirs.

I like K-State but in the hundreds of games I've attended at WSU in multiple sports, I've never once been tempted to wear their gear. Not even once. Omahaians, get with the program. Does your Creighton gear not give you the same self-esteem boost as your NU gear? Is your NU gear your safety blanket?

My self-esteem has nothing to do with what I wear. I guess I have a better grasp of who I am and don't dictate my relevance by the performance of others. I am not better or worse because of my allegience to the school I attended, car I drive or clothes I wear. I am not a better person if my team wins, (Cubs, Bulls, Bears, Blackhawks), nor am I worse off when they lose. Funny, in 1985, the Bears rolled, but the day after the Super Bowl, I still had to get dressed and go to Sonar School in SD (Feet Anti-Submarine Training Center Pacific). Except for tipping a few beers, nothing changed. When the Bulls won, it was just common place.

[shocker3]

Well, to be logical and realistic. Creighton fans need to realize that since they have no Division I football team, a majority of Creighton athletic fans are going to want to find a team to support for football, and that leaves nearby and former powerhouse Nebraska. It is an easy and simple fit. Nebraska for football and Creighton for basketball (and everything else). But when you do that for so long, you get very attached to Nebraska as well. Therefore you have your "duel fan."

UNI has this problem, but I doubt to the degree Creighton does. Drake sure has it though. Bottom line is, for the most part, football is the most important sport, so you better have a team and be good at it or your school will have a lot of duel fans.

WSU hasn't had football since 1986 and we don't have this problem. (There are a very, very small number of fans at shocker games that may wear ku, kstate, okie state, or Ou gear but they are usually shot on sight).

[LincolnJay]

WSU hasn't had football since 1986 and we don't have this problem. (There are a very, very small number of fans at shocker games that may wear ku, kstate, okie state, or Ou gear but they are usually shot on sight).

Perhaps the issue with Wichita is that it is hundreds of miles from anywhere and there is nothing but WSU sports to support. I am quite sure that WSU fans have favorite football teams or at least teams that they enjoy watching and, when an opportunity presents itself, to get to a game.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Not too different from going to a Drake game in Des Moines.

http://whotv.com/Global/category.asp?C=5536&nav=menu100_4

Scroll down to "What's bugging Andy? (1/7/07) to get the opinion of a Drake alum. It is WELL WORTH your time.

My favorite quote is "It's a sad state of affairs when there is more blue hair than blue shirts."

That was funny stuff. Here is one of my favorite quotes from the video:

"From a distance, that crowd looked like a pack of skittles." :clap: :lol: :clap:

[DUBulldog]

Originally Posted by Urbandale Panther
Not too different from going to a Drake game in Des Moines.

http://whotv.com/Global/category.asp...&nav=menu100_4

Scroll down to "What's bugging Andy? (1/7/07) to get the opinion of a Drake alum. It is WELL WORTH your time.

My favorite quote is "It's a sad state of affairs when there is more blue hair than blue shirts."

That was funny stuff. Here is one of my favorite quotes from the video:

"From a distance, that crowd looked like a pack of skittles." :clap: :lol: :clap:

That was definitely one of Andy's funnier rants....there are some weeks he just has me ROTFLMFAO.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Perhaps the issue with Wichita is that it is hundreds of miles from anywhere and there is nothing but WSU sports to support. I am quite sure that WSU fans have favorite football teams or at least teams that they enjoy watching and, when an opportunity presents itself, to get to a game.

I live in Wichita. From my door, it is only 130 miles to the city limits of Manhattan, KS, home to a pretty darn good football team in the late 90s and early 2000s.

I know, Omaha to Lincoln is closer, but "hundreds of miles from anywhere"? I know Manhattan ain't much, but their football team sure has had some success over the last 10 years or so against Nebraska. That is what we are talking about, right? Good football teams? There are quite a few season ticket holders to KSU football that live in Wichita. Thankfully, very few of them come to WSU basketball games with K-State stuff on.

[Bird]

I don't think you can compare KSU or KU football as being in even the same league as NU football. I'm not a Husker fan, but that program is a jugggernaut up here. They've sold out every game for decades and have a huge following in this state that rivals any program in the nation. KSU was the worst team in college football until about 12 years ago and rarely sells out its small stadium. The programs are apples and oranges.

That being said, wearing a NU shirt to a CU game is ridiculous.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Maybe someday, just maybe, Omahaians will love their team as much as Wichitans love theirs.

I like K-State but in the hundreds of games I've attended at WSU in multiple sports, I've never once been tempted to wear their gear. Not even once. Omahaians, get with the program. Does your Creighton gear not give you the same self-esteem boost as your NU gear? Is your NU gear your safety blanket?

Funny, I read a post on Shockernet by WuDrWu about people showing up to WSU games in KU gear. Guess it happens everywhere, even if you choose to act like it doesn't, Dopey. :original:

[tgcshock]

Funny, I read a post on Shockernet by WuDrWu about people showing up to WSU games in KU gear. Guess it happens everywhere, even if you choose to act like it doesn't, Dopey. :original:

Yeah, it does happen everywhere. We do see KU and KSU gear in Koch arena. It doesn't happen as much there as many places I have been but even one instance is enough to drive you crazy. :ranting:

[iSASO]

Hmm, did I ever say no one does it in Wichita? No, I said I've never done it. I suspect you see a whole lot less in Wichita than Omaha. I also suspect there are far more WSU fans who don't own any KU/K-State gear than there are Creighton fans who own NU gear.

[MoValley John]

Hmm, did I ever say no one does it in Wichita? No, I said I've never done it. I suspect you see a whole lot less in Wichita than Omaha. I also suspect there are far more WSU fans who don't own any KU/K-State gear than there are Creighton fans who own NU gear.

Probably not. People are people. If everyone took a look at it without prejudice, it happens everywhere, no more or less in Wichita than Omaha, or Des Moines for that matter.

[3ontheway]

Hmm, did I ever say no one does it in Wichita? No, I said I've never done it. I suspect you see a whole lot less in Wichita than Omaha. I also suspect there are far more WSU fans who don't own any KU/K-State gear than there are Creighton fans who own NU gear.

usaso, you honestly act like you are in 3rd grade. Wichita is better than Omaha and Wichita St. has better and more loyal fans than Creighton and, for that matter, pretty much anyone.

I grew up watching Marquette Basketball, hell, my dad even played for McGuire, but I also wore Wisconsin Footbal stuff. What is the big deal?

[tgcshock]

usaso, you honestly act like you are in 3rd grade. Wichita is better than Omaha and Wichita St. has better and more loyal fans than Creighton and, for that matter, pretty much anyone.

I grew up watching Marquette Basketball, hell, my dad even played for McGuire, but I also wore Wisconsin Footbal stuff. What is the big deal?

It's not wearing stuff from other teams that is so annoying, it is wearing stuff from other teams to an athletic event not involving them. If a person is a KU fan who is also interested in WSU that's fine. If that person wants to wear a KU jacket around town, that's fine. What's annoying is wearing it to a WSU game.

[blueness]

This thread is on pace to have the most views ever in the history of the (new) ValleyTalk....and shows no signs of being locked, as of yet...

For all the disagreement and hatred between posters, its been civil...

[blueblood]

Personally I don't see the big state school attraction. How hard is it to be a Kansas basketball fan? How hard is it to be a NU football fan? How could they ever experience the joy of true WSU and Bradley fans last year? How can they even feel they are a part of anything?

I was with some KU people last weekend and asked them if they were happy with Self. They said they wanted Turgeon but due to his inexperience at the time could understand the Self hire. They said one year of WSU doing better in the NCAA's was OK but if they do it again the shat will fly. They see the MVC as little brother and really are hard to get to budge.


The Nebraska deal is a juggernot. Any NU sport that is trendy or winning will fill a stadium no matter how big or small. It takes over all forms of media. It will sell butt ugly clothing everywhere from the Kwick Shop to Country Clubs. I am not surprised to see Husker clothing anywhere. I see it at Ceighton games. I saw it on a cruise last weekend.

[ShockBand]

Personally I don't see the big state school attraction. How hard is it to be a Kansas basketball fan? How hard is it to be a NU football fan? How could they ever experience the joy of true WSU and Bradley fans last year? How can they even feel they are a part of anything?

I was with some KU people last weekend and asked them if they were happy with Self. They said they wanted Turgeon but due to his inexperience at the time could understand the Self hire. They said one year of WSU doing better in the NCAA's was OK but if they do it again the shat will fly. They see the MVC as little brother and really are hard to get to budge.


The Nebraska deal is a juggernot. Any NU sport that is trendy or winning will fill a stadium no matter how big or small. It takes over all forms of media. It will sell butt ugly clothing everywhere from the Kwick Shop to Country Clubs. I am not surprised to see Husker clothing anywhere. I see it at Ceighton games. I saw it on a cruise last weekend.

I think I saw a clip of Osama wearing a Husker hoodie the other day. Bandwagon terrorist.

[ColdHardFacts]

Wichta State was able to put 6 or 7k people in the stands during the terrible Mike Cohen era. Now that is saying something! Those Cohen teams flat out stank, and were not much better than a highschool 6A team. In fact if the would have ever played the juco up the road (Butler) in those days, they would have been hammerd.

What makes 6 thousand people actually buy a ticket to see a terrible product? I don't know. I was one of them, which makes the recent success soooooooo much more sweet.

One thing WSU has is loyalty.

[MSNSaluki]

This thread is on pace to have the most views ever in the history of the (new) ValleyTalk....and shows no signs of being locked, as of yet...

For all the disagreement and hatred between posters, its been civil...


The only real jabbing has been about which school has more fans that wear the colors of other schools.
Disappointing.:lol:

[DawgieStyle]

The only real jabbing has been about which school has more fans that wear the colors of other schools.
Disappointing.:lol:

yah, I was hoping for an all out war, based on the proceedings of this past summer and fall, I thought for sure we were gonna have Omaha V. Wichita City War V....as well as the ever popular you don't own your arena war, and Chucky Koch is the greatest man alive war.....but it hasn't happened.

[MoValley John]

I think I saw a clip of Osama wearing a Husker hoodie the other day. Bandwagon terrorist.

I'm not so sure. This photo op was taken right after the S-16 run. Maybe there is something to wearing your team's colors!

[shocker3]

Funny, I read a post on Shockernet by WuDrWu about people showing up to WSU games in KU gear. Guess it happens everywhere, even if you choose to act like it doesn't, Dopey. :original:

It happens so rarely at Shocker games that it really stands out.

[shocker3]

Perhaps the issue with Wichita is that it is hundreds of miles from anywhere and there is nothing but WSU sports to support. I am quite sure that WSU fans have favorite football teams or at least teams that they enjoy watching and, when an opportunity presents itself, to get to a game.


Oklahoma St is about 98 miles from my house.

K-state is about 130 miles.

Ku is about 155 miles.

Ou is about 160 miles.

I would say there are four big 12 schools within fairly easy driving distance of Wichita.

They all have some fans in Wichita, but WSU is the dominate school.

Heck there are even quite a few UNL football fans in Wichita (including most of my family).

But their fans DON'T wear their gear to Shocker games (with a few, very rare exceptions).
:shockers: :valley:

[C0|db|00ded]

yah, I was hoping for an all out war, based on the proceedings of this past summer and fall, I thought for sure we were gonna have Omaha V. Wichita City War V....as well as the ever popular you don't own your arena war, and Chucky Koch is the greatest man alive war.....but it hasn't happened.

That won't happen because the poster who epitomized the "Great Nebraskan Inferiority Complex" is banned. Those days are behind us.. However, his girlfriend still posts on here in his defense.


T


...:cool:

[MoValley John]

That won't happen because the poster who epitomized the "Great Nebraskan Inferiority Complex" is banned. Those days are behind us.. However, his girlfriend still posts on here in his defense.



T


...:cool:
I didn't know that you two had a thing going.

[C0|db|00ded]

I didn't know that you two had a thing going.

I'm sorry.. that doesn't make sense. Were you trying to be funny?


T


...:cool:

[MoValley John]

I'm sorry.. that doesn't make sense. Were you trying to be funny?


T


...:cool:

As quickly and feebly as you responded, one can summize that it made sense and it was funny. Sorry it got under your skin, it was just a joke, lighten up.

[outpost]

Perhaps the issue with Wichita is that it is hundreds of miles from anywhere and there is nothing but WSU sports to support. I am quite sure that WSU fans have favorite football teams or at least teams that they enjoy watching and, when an opportunity presents itself, to get to a game.

Not true with respect to myself. I won't speak for everyone else, but I won't spend my money on a B-XII football game.

[MoValley John]

Not true wit