At this mid point who will win the Valley

[bears1]

MSU
SIU
WSU
CU
IND ST
UNI

[jaypharmalum]

I'd say they'll finish like this:

SIU
MSU
Creighton
WSU
Bradley
UNI
INSt
ILSt
Evan
Drake

[DawgieStyle]

MSU
SIU
WSU
CU
IND ST
UNI


mo state #1 ?

you mean the same mo state team SIU dismantled......

SIU
Mo. State
UNI
CU
WSU (they will make it back)
Indiana State (they will fade)
BU
EU
IL state
Drake

[MoValley John]

Southern Illinois
Missouri State
Creighton
Bradley
Wichita State
Northern Iowa
Indiana State
Illinois State
Drake
Evansville

Hey Tree fans, you got your bump from me! Then again, it could all change in another week.

[bears1]

mo state #1 ?

you mean the same mo state team SIU dismantled......

SIU
Mo. State
UNI
CU
WSU (they will make it back)
Indiana State (they will fade)
BU
EU
IL state
Drake

Dismantled is such an ugly word. Every team is entitled to at least on bad game where things aren't clicking. That was ours. Can't wait for your return to Hammons and I hope you come in cocky.

[Brave2001]

Man we are 1 game out of first, and bradley doesn't even make the poll. I don't think we will win the valley, but at this point we have just as good as shot as WSU and InSU who are on that list....man we get no respect.

Might as well be chopped liver here on VT. RPI of 27. SOS of 8. And there's already murmurs on here that we aren't even a bubble team.

Ugh....

[bears1]

Sorry BU, your right. I probably should have added you in as well.

[DawgieStyle]

Man we are 1 game out of first, and bradley doesn't even make the poll. I don't think we will win the valley, but at this point we have just as good as shot as WSU and InSU who are on that list....man we get no respect.

Might as well be chopped liver here on VT. RPI of 27. SOS of 7. And theres already murmurs on here that we aren't even a bubble team.

Ugh....

no offense Bro, BU isn't a NCAA tourney team at the moment, sorry. Bubble, yes, but if I remember last year about this Time, BU was in a similar situation on the outside looking in. Then they reeled off 10 of 12, and snuck in the dance. The difference this year is the valley over all is better, and more importantly you don't have POB or Summerville to carry you, not to mention Crouch is injured still. I don't think you will be going 10 of 12 this year to make the dance.

[Brave2001]

no offense Bro, BU isn't a NCAA tourney team at the moment, sorry. Bubble, yes, but if I remember last year about this Time, BU was in a similar situation on the outside looking in. Then they reeled off 10 of 12, and snuck in the dance. The difference this year is the valley over all is better, and more importantly you don't have POB or Summerville to carry you, not to mention Crouch is injured still. I don't think you will be going 10 of 12 this year to make the dance.

Lets see Last year:

20-10 11-7 (got to championship game, won bracketbuster)

RPI 33
SOS 50

non-cof RPI 39
non-cof SOS 130

Bad Losses (100 RPI down): Loyola Chi (A), Drake (A), Indiana St (A)



This year So far:

12-6 4-3

RPI 27
SOS 8

non-cof RPI 27
non-cof SOS 39

Bad Losses (100 RPI down): Tenn Tech (A)



If we finish the rest of the season 7 -4 (realistic I think), and win the bracket buster that puts us at:

20-10 11-7

Win a game or 2 in the tournament (btw making us 9 - 4 or 10 - 4 to finish the season, not 10 of 12 but not bad) and we have better resume than last year in a conference that is tougher than last year.

How don't we get in (assuming we play to our potentional)?

[txsaluki05]

no offense Bro, BU isn't a NCAA tourney team at the moment, sorry. Bubble, yes, but if I remember last year about this Time, BU was in a similar situation on the outside looking in. Then they reeled off 10 of 12, and snuck in the dance. The difference this year is the valley over all is better, and more importantly you don't have POB or Summerville to carry you, not to mention Crouch is injured still. I don't think you will be going 10 of 12 this year to make the dance.

If they have Crouch they are in the Tourney imo.

[panther2317]

Wow...UNI in 6th in almost every prediction. That's fine...UNI finished 6th last season and got an at-large bid. So I guess we'll take it.:panthers:

[TrueBlueJay]

mo state #1 ?

you mean the same mo state team SIU dismantled......

SIU
Mo. State
UNI
CU
WSU (they will make it back)
Indiana State (they will fade)
BU
EU
IL state
Drake

UNI above CU?

you mean the same UNI that CU just beat on the Panthes home court and led wire to wire?

just using your own logic.

[DawgieStyle]

UNI above CU?

you mean the same UNI that CU just beat on the Panthes home court and led wire to wire?

just using your own logic.

not really my logic, I view MSU and SIU as basically 1A and 1b at the moment....in other words tied for first. I used as my tie breaker their game head to head. I chose SIU as #1 based on that.

I don't view UNI and CU as equal, mainly because aside from your road victory at UNI, you suck as a road team. I'll take UNI to finish ahead of CU, based on the blue jays road woes.

[smacktalkermsu]

I think the Bears have a much more Favorable schedule of remaining games than SIU.

And I think our next 7 games are very favorable to us......the toughest teams are at home and the easier teams are on the road.....IF Mo. State plays their game they could easily get to 12-2 with 4 games to go........even 11-3 with 4 to go would be very good.

MSU remaining Road games (14-19)
Eville (2-5)
Drake (1-6)
INSU (4-2)
UNI (4-2)
WSU (3-4)
SIU Remaining Road games (19-15)
Eville (2-5)
Creighton (5-2)
WSU (3-4)
MSU (5-2)
INSU (4-2)
CU remaining road games (16-19)
MSU (5-2)
BU (4-3)
Drake (1-6)
SIU (5-2)
ILSU (1-6)

So if Everybody Holds home court......which is a far out assumption.....I think it is safe to say that MSU has the easiest road of the three teams remaining....since MSU's only two losses came to CU and SIU on the road and they are tied they have to have the inside track......IMHO

MSU has the best conf. road win so far in Bradley.......CU has the second at UNI.

[ShockBand]

As the rest of us beat the crap out of one another, Evansville, Illinois State, and Drake come roaring out the tank and snag the top three spots while the rest of us tie for fourth. Because WSU and SIU are knotted at the 6 and 7 slot and the tiebreakers can't break it, Elgin calls for Cold and DawgieStyle to have a duel at midcourt the day before the tournament starts. Tazers at five paces. Dawgie gets his shot off first with a solid double connection to the chest, but as Cold holds his ground writhing in pain, he manages to hit Dawgie in the left pec and grapes. Dawgie tries in vain to stay on his feet, but as his grapes try to crawl away from the voltage he goes down. Shocks avoid the play-in round, by a "whisker".

:lol:

[TrueBlueJay]

not really my logic, I view MSU and SIU as basically 1A and 1b at the moment....in other words tied for first. I used as my tie breaker their game head to head. I chose SIU as #1 based on that.

I don't view UNI and CU as equal, mainly because aside from your road victory at UNI, you suck as a road team. I'll take UNI to finish ahead of CU, based on the blue jays road woes.

2-2 in the Valley on the road right now...this isn't the same team that played in December or January...but you are certainly afforded the rights to your opinion.

By the way - what is SIU's road record in the Valley as of today?

[JVShocker]

Maybe another poll for # of losses for the eventual Valley winner? I'm going with 5.

1. SIU (I think defense will ultimately win it this year)
2. CU (2nd in a close race)
3. UNI (cruise to 3rd)
4. MSU (this is where it gets murky, but MSU has a lead on WSU of 2 games)
5. WSU (WSU down 2 games to MSU presently & WSU Final Game=Creighton, again. Does that make 3 out of the last 5 years?) ?? :ranting:
6. BU
7. INSU
8. EV
9. DRAKE
10. ILST

[DawgieStyle]

2-2 in the Valley on the road right now...this isn't the same team that played in December or January...but you are certainly afforded the rights to your opinion.

By the way - what is SIU's road record in the Valley as of today?

you act as if I'm only figuring into my equation the valley road records.....the season started long before Jan. 1st. SIU has proven all season they can win on the road, including non conf. No offense CU hasn't. That's not a flame, or a slap in the face, its a fact.

[IH8SIU]

1. SIU (I think defense will ultimately win it this year)
2. CU (2nd in a close race)
3. UNI (cruise to 3rd)
4. MSU (this is where it gets murky, but MSU has a lead on WSU of 2 games)
5. WSU (WSU down 2 games to MSU presently & WSU Final Game=Creighton, again. Does that make 3 out of the last 5 years?) ??
6. BU
7. INSU
8. EV
9. DRAKE
10. ILST

I hope this is the way it is (with maybe a switch at 1 and 2). Brings me back to the old days - and by old days I mean 3-6 years ago. Good times. With all the close games and buzzer beaters CU has had in the past few years, my favorite game is still 2003 championship against SIU. And that's why it is a true rivalry.

[DawgieStyle]

I hope this is the way it is (with maybe a switch at 1 and 2). Brings me back to the old days - and by old days I mean 3-6 years ago. Good times. With all the close games and buzzer beaters CU has had in the past few years, my favorite game is still 2003 championship against SIU. And that's why it is a true rivalry.

Kuck Forver....hows that for old times.

[Ferocious Cat]

CU
SIU
MSU
UNI
WSU
BU
InSU
EV
DRAKE
IlST

[txsaluki05]

SIU
CU
MSU
UNI
WSU
BU
InSU
UE
ISU
DU

[Brave2001]

MSU
SIU
CU
UNI
BU
WSU
InSU
EU
DU
IlSU

No one with more than a 1/2 game to 1 game lead. If even 1 of these teams goes into one of the top 6's home court and pulls off an upset (or 1 of the top 6 go to IlSU and lose, though unforseeable...it is a road game)....This ranking goes completely out the window.

[jt45]

I still think the Jay's win the Valley, with about 5 or 6 other teams right on their azz.:valley:

[bcrawf]

MSU
UNI
SIU
WSU
CU
InSU
Brad
Drake
IlSU
E-ville

I really don't think that 6 bids is out of the question. Look around the country and the lack of bubble teams. I see a close race between Brad and InSU for sixth, although it might be better to finish 7th, just because of the fact that you get an extra game in St. Louis against a poorly coached E-Ville team...

[smsandmsuson]

SIU
MSU
CU
UNI
WSU
BU
Ind St
UE
Ill St
DU

[Aceman96]

We're gonna find out THIS WEEK if SIU can win the league.

@UE
@CU
v. UNI

If SIU comes out with 3 wins, they SERIOUSLY have the upper hand. If they come out with 2 losses... they are in serious trouble, and I would have to pick CU. If they win 2... then, I'd say it's good shape with a needed win at either MSU or WSU in Feb.

Now... with the STRENGTH of the Valley (cuz parity sounds weak) none of that could matter with an ISU or a UE sneaking up and beating MSU or CU or UNI!!!!

I LOVE THE VALLEY!!!

prediction:
SIU
UNI
CU
MSU
InSU
WSU
BU
DU
UE
IlSU

[Ricky Del Rio]

Man we are 1 game out of first, and bradley doesn't even make the poll. I don't think we will win the valley, but at this point we have just as good as shot as WSU and InSU who are on that list....man we get no respect.

Might as well be chopped liver here on VT. RPI of 27. SOS of 8. And there's already murmurs on here that we aren't even a bubble team.

Ugh....

Well, I like ya.

And to be repititious, I love Daniel.

[DoubleJayAlum]

1 & 2. SIU/MSU (too close to call; these two teams are head and shoulders above the rest)

then:

3. CU (too inconsistent and not deep enough in the frontcourt to be included in the top 2)
4. UNI (Bigs are hard for rest of MVC to stop)
5. WSU (should have blown out CU with as sloppy as CU played, but only won by 3; I expect MSU & SIU to beat WSU at Koch like UNI did)
6. BU (always tough at home, but living by the three is dangerous; probably won't win road games against top teams)
7. InSU (not as good as first advertised; CU & WSU losses at InSU will haunt them as SIU & MSU will not lose there)
8. UE (will be tough, but beatable, at home; weak on the road)
9. Drake (might sneak up on some teams at home)
10. IlSU (just too inexperienced - next year is your year as you return everyone but the top teams all lose key cogs)

[ISU87]

mo state #1 ?

you mean the same mo state team SIU dismantled......

SIU
Mo. State
UNI
CU
WSU (they will make it back)
Indiana State (they will fade) right to the top half of the MVC
BU
EU
IL state
Drake

I just can't see ISU being in the play-in game thursday, these kids are motivated and want RW to stick around, they'll right the ship after the loss to BU last week.

[DawgieStyle]

I just can't see ISU being in the play-in game thursday, these kids are motivated and want RW to stick around, they'll right the ship after the loss to BU last week.

no offense on that list, just who do you think they are gonna finish in front of?

[GarH]

I don't have a clue who will win the Valley, but I do know it's going to be a dog fight. I did a homer pick and chose my Shockers. Realistically I know with the Valley being even tougher than last year it's going to be harder to finish as strongly as my Shockers did last year. The Shockers have already got their really tough stretch out of the way and anythings possible.

[creightonfever]

SIU
CU
MSU
BU
UNI
WSU
INDST
ILLST
DU
EU

[Sir_ShoxAlot]

Man we are 1 game out of first, and bradley doesn't even make the poll. I don't think we will win the valley, but at this point we have just as good as shot as WSU and InSU who are on that list....man we get no respect.

Might as well be chopped liver here on VT. RPI of 27. SOS of 8. And there's already murmurs on here that we aren't even a bubble team.

Ugh....

I agree. The Braves are good. Good enough to be on the poll at least. But you sounded like a depressed 10 year old there trying to get sympathy and attention. Quit your whining. Its the internet. If you're worrying about anything, worry about what's actually going on, not some post on ValleyTalk.

[NoPlaceLikeDome]

1) Missouri State
2) SIU
3) Creighton
4) UNI
5) Wichita State
6) Bradley
7) Indiana State
8) Evansville
9) Illinois State
10) Drake

[siubball32]

1. CU
2. SIU
3. MSU
4. WSU
5. UNI
6. BU
7. IND St.
8. UE
9. Drake
10. Ill St.

[Urbandale Panther]

:salukis:
:panthers:
:bears:
:jays:
:shockers:
:sycamores:
:braves:
:aces:
:bulldogs:
:redbirds:

[DawgieStyle]

I agree. The Braves are good. Good enough to be on the poll at least. But you sounded like a depressed 10 year old there trying to get sympathy and attention. Quit your whining. Its the internet. If you're worrying about anything, worry about what's actually going on, not some post on ValleyTalk.

young man, I can assure you are picking a fight with the wrong person.....

[t7017s]

As the rest of us beat the crap out of one another, Evansville, Illinois State, and Drake come roaring out the tank and snag the top three spots while the rest of us tie for fourth. Because WSU and SIU are knotted at the 6 and 7 slot and the tiebreakers can't break it, Elgin calls for Cold and DawgieStyle to have a duel at midcourt the day before the tournament starts. Tazers at five paces. Dawgie gets his shot off first with a solid double connection to the chest, but as Cold holds his ground writhing in pain, he manages to hit Dawgie in the left pec and grapes. Dawgie tries in vain to stay on his feet, but as his grapes try to crawl away from the voltage he goes down. Shocks avoid the play-in round, by a "whisker".

:lol:

Wow what a visual. how do you come up with this stuff. This is just funny as hell to picture.

[troutangler]

mo state #1 ?

you mean the same mo state team SIU dismantled......



That's funny, when we dropped 92 on you at Hammons two years ago and 71 last year against that vaunted defense that seems to be more feeble on the road, it was just an aberration and didn't mean anything. Now you guys beat us in Carbondale and it tells the tale of the season?

Hypocritical....

[March Madman]

I've got an easier game - Powerball.

Six teams within one game of each other right now? With WSU one more game behind them? All of whom have lost only once at home if at all? Who will win the Valley? I predict this question will still be thrown around on Feb. 23.

I predict this will happen, using a random number generator: (good as anything right now)

SIU
IlSU
UE
InSU
WSU
BU
DU
MSU
CU
UNI

This list was created with the help of the sequence generator at http://www.random.org. Don't yell at me, yell at them if you don't like it.

[DawgieStyle]

That's funny, when we dropped 92 on you at Hammons two years ago and 71 last year against that vaunted defense that seems to be more feeble on the road, it was just an aberration and didn't mean anything. Now you guys beat us in Carbondale and it tells the tale of the season?

Hypocritical....

wow bringing up last season. whoa, hold the presses, this is this season...of course if you want to talk about the past we can, you know 5 NCAA tourney trips the past 5 years.....say last season, where was Mo. state sitting in March? or the previous 4?

No offense, I don't think any Mo. state fan at the moment has any solid footing to be talking crap like that to SIU fans. Especially after the latest game. We'll see what happens in Springfield, but for now its probably best you bite your tongue.

[Brave2001]

I agree. The Braves are good. Good enough to be on the poll at least. But you sounded like a depressed 10 year old there trying to get sympathy and attention. Quit your whining. Its the internet. If you're worrying about anything, worry about what's actually going on, not some post on ValleyTalk.

You know you should really quit worrying about some "whining" post on valleytalk (it's the just the internet afterall) and worry about what's actually going on, like WSU being behind BU in the standings...or does that hit a little bit to close to home, to be sitting behind the preseason 8th ranked team?

If you call that whining....then I'd hate to think what you think about the rest of the posters on this board.

[Cdizzle]

The Valley race is like a marathon. Early leaders are usually in contention at the end, but can stumble and even fall. Sometimes the people that start off slowly but stick to their plan end up all right.

[AcePurple]

Evansville is poised to make their move and put this thing away. Consecutive wins over SIU & MSU this week will be the start of a glorious run.

Oh, did I actually type that out.... how embarrassing!!

:aces:

[ShockBand]

Wow what a visual. how do you come up with this stuff. This is just funny as hell to picture.

Thank you! I was wondering if anyone actually read it or not. The imagery is from a video clip of an actual Tazer demonstration for a group of police officers - the poor guy had one of the prongs nail him in the grapes and his buddies were a little slow to help him because they were laughing so hard.

[Drakey]

Yeah! Two 8th place predictions for the Bulldogs and ONE 7th PLACE!!!

[getreal4]

How is it possible to have 10 votes for the Trees? :no: Are their even 10 active Tree fans on VT? :grin:

[getreal4]

Yeah! Two 8th place predictions for the Bulldogs and ONE 7th PLACE!!!


I'm predicting 8th place for our bulldogs too. Think we'll finish ahead of ILL St & EVille.

[btisu22]

How is it possible to have 10 votes for the Trees? :no: Are their even 10 active Tree fans on VT? :grin:
Yeah, that got me to! I voted for Missouri State! I was actually excited to see us even listed!:clap: I think we are a season away or two.
:sycamores:

[MSNSaluki]

How is it possible to have 10 votes for the Trees? :no: Are their even 10 active Tree fans on VT? :grin:

I think there are a few anti-SIU and anti-MSU votes in there.:lol:

[gosalukie]

New to the board but a big SIU and MVC fan. :salukis:
I agree with the madman...right now a random number generator may be as good as anything. But someone in this league will avoid the upsets, injuries and get better as the season goes on and win a few big road games too. I predict that someone will be either SIU, Creighton, Mo. State or UNI. The trees will fade and the Shocks have A) dug too deep of a hole and B) I don't think they can fully recover that swagger they had early on.

[BearsCountry]

:bears: :jays: :salukis: :shockers: :panthers: :braves: :bulldogs: :sycamores: :redbirds: :aces:

[3baller]

SIU
MSU
CU
WSU
UNI
BU
Ind. St
UE
Drake
Ill St.

I still think WSU is the most dangerous team in the league, plus they've got the easiest remaining schedule. They had a brutal start to their schedule and got some tough games out of the way. I'd have them higher if I knew CU wasn't garunteed another win when they play us. I'm also pretty ify on putting MSU so high since I haven't seen Hinson close the deal on anything yet (but they have the most offense). SIU's D is so solid they will be in every game. UNI can easily move up some spots, but after their last two games they didn't look as good as I thought, plsu they've been a little too inconsistent.

[BearChief]

No offense, I don't think any Mo. state fan at the moment has any solid footing to be talking crap like that to SIU fans. Especially after the latest game. We'll see what happens in Springfield, but for now its probably best you bite your tongue.


Good point. Good game tonight in Evansville by the way.

:bears:

[TrueBlueJay]

not really my logic, I view MSU and SIU as basically 1A and 1b at the moment....in other words tied for first. I used as my tie breaker their game head to head. I chose SIU as #1 based on that.

I don't view UNI and CU as equal, mainly because aside from your road victory at UNI, you suck as a road team. I'll take UNI to finish ahead of CU, based on the blue jays road woes.

:helpsmilie:

[DawgieStyle]

Good point. Good game tonight in Evansville by the way.

:bears:

good game at SIU by the way, oh and that melt down at CU too, I can play this game too, its easy.....or how about that game in the NCAA's last year, woops, you weren't there, you were at home Crying with Barry too. See this game is fun....

PS

I agree we sucked tonight, big time.

[DawgieStyle]

:helpsmilie:

oh like im gonna take any crap or be bothered from the road warriors from Omaha...please.

[BearChief]

PS

I agree we sucked tonight, big time.

Exactly my point. We sucked on Saturday. It happens. Couple that with an offensive explosion that the dogs likely won't duplicate for the rest of the season, and well, you have 20 point blowout. Do I see that as a good indicator on how the rest of the season will play out? Not in the least.

[MSNSaluki]

Can I take away the vote I cast for SIU?:banghead:

[troutangler]

Exactly my point. We sucked on Saturday. It happens. Couple that with an offensive explosion that the dogs likely won't duplicate for the rest of the season, and well, you have 20 point blowout. Do I see that as a good indicator on how the rest of the season will play out? Not in the least.

Exactly. SIU had by far their best offensive game of the season, one they probably will not duplicate again this year. MSU played their only truly bad game of the year so far. It happens. The real test will be in Springfield when SIU's shooting percentages come back to Earth, and when MSU goes on the road to Evansville. If we can take care of business there, like SIU didn't, we'll be in the driver's seat.

[Fraydog]

At this point, I think that :bears: is in control of their own destiny. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they won the league outright.

[DoubleJayAlum]

oh like im gonna take any crap or be bothered from the road warriors from Omaha...please.

In all fairness DS, Creighton did win at both UNI and UE. That's something the Salukis have been unable to do.

[TrueBlueJay]

In all fairness DS, Creighton did win at both UNI and UE. That's something the Salukis have been unable to do.

DJA - DS knows what I'm saying. He is just a boy whistling in the dark.

[DawgieStyle]

In all fairness DS, Creighton did win at both UNI and UE. That's something the Salukis have been unable to do.

no offense, unlike many on this board, I don't forget the play of teams during the non conference once Valley play starts up. In fact, its more imporatant to at large consideratin in my opinion, as long as you finish in the upper half of the valley.

[gopanthers!]

no offense, unlike many on this board, I don't forget the play of teams during the non conference once Valley play starts up. In fact, its more imporatant to at large consideratin in my opinion, as long as you finish in the upper half of the valley.

No offense, but this thread is about who will win the VALLEY, not who did what in the non-conference season.

[go braves]

Man we are 1 game out of first, and bradley doesn't even make the poll. I don't think we will win the valley, but at this point we have just as good as shot as WSU and InSU who are on that list....man we get no respect.

Might as well be chopped liver here on VT. RPI of 27. SOS of 8. And there's already murmurs on here that we aren't even a bubble team.

Ugh....

Don't worry. The Braves will have lots of chances to pad their tourney resume this year. Their first QUEST for respect lies on 94 feet of hardwood in Omaha tonight. I must admit this will be a tough task but this group has suprised all year. If not tonight there are other nights. We are less than half way in and a wild weekend in St Lou before it is over.

But really, BU should be in the poll.

[PinhookDave]

In answer to your question, I think the team with the best conference record at the end of conference play should win. Based on that, CU. If anyone up in Cornland appreciate my opinion or vote please buy and send me some of them Omaha Steak meat deals. This hillbilly does appreciate some of the finer things in life.

[getreal4]

Creighton looks to be in the drivers seat :grin:

[philcski]

Regular Season prediction:
:bears:
:jays:
:salukis:
:panthers:
:shockers:
:braves:
:sycamores:
:aces:
:redbirds:
:bulldogs:

Arch Madness Tournament prediction:
Semifinalists:
:shockers:
over
:bears:
and
:salukis:
over
:sycamores:

Finals:
:shockers:
over
:salukis:

[Urbandale Panther]

:salukis:
:jays:
:panthers:
:bears:
:braves:
:shockers:
:aces:
:sycamores:
:redbirds:
:bulldogs:

[MSNSaluki]

:salukis: Most favorable schedule
:jays: Would have to win in Carbondale to claim title
:panthers: Very good team comes up short
:braves: Braves keep finding ways to win
:bears: If Hinson can't win with this team ...
:shockers: Could very well move into the top four
:aces: Will continue to surprise
:sycamores: Not enough horses
:redbirds: A year away
:bulldogs: Can't get it going