SIU 72 Creighton 68 reaction thread

[kyyle23]

One hell of a game in Carbondale tonite. As Steven Bardo said, these two teams are the class of the valley and they showed it tonite. It was brutal, high scoring(for these teams at least :grin: ) and it was fought tooth and nail to the very end. Great game.

[go bluejayss]

It was pretty fairly called..but some couldve gone the other way...

[kyyle23]

It was pretty fairly called..but some couldve gone the other way...

I agree, but I think both teams got jobbed equally. :original:

[txsaluki05]

great game to showcase the valley and rivalry week on ESPN. SIU is alone in first place now; gotta take care of biz in Springfield!

[LincolnJay]

Jays gave it away shooting crappy from the line but SIU shot lights out with guys in the face of the better shooters. 65% overall and 73% from 3.

I hope we get you in St Lou because you won't do that again.

[go bluejayss]

I really thought CU was gonna win...but free throws killed us.:no:

[Studgunners]

It was pretty fairly called..but some couldve gone the other way...


WOW, lots of little fouls on both ends. Creighton shot like 15 more free throws on the road and 2 SIU starters fouled out. But down the stretch, there was a noticeable lack of foul calls on both ends against the Salukis that they were calling much of the game. I guess that's where the "home court" officiating comes in.

[fillmore]

I hope we get you in St Lou because you won't do that again.
of course creighton wont score that many again, either.

[kyyle23]

it was really crazy seeing Funk miss those free throws. Almost like seeing Ahearn miss one. When it happens, you are like "Did I just see that?".

One more thing, Shaw was unreal tonite. He had two huge blocks, key steals, three pointers, 23 points overall. He was locked in for the entire game.

[cusportsfan]

Great game by both teams. Jays would have won had they hit the Free Throws in both halfs. Great game to show what the valley is all about to the national audience. SIU alone is first, but still a few games left and lots can happen. The only thing I did not like was the fans towards the end of the game chanting Creighton Sucks.

[go bluejayss]

WOW, lots of little fouls on both ends. Creighton shot like 15 more free throws on the road and 2 SIU starters fouled out. But down the stretch, there was a noticeable lack of foul calls on both ends against the Salukis that they were calling much of the game. I guess that's where the "home court" officiating comes in.

Yeah. Home court prevailed. The foul shouldve been wayy earlier, and they called it way to late.

[fillmore]

WOW, lots of little fouls on both ends. Creighton shot like 15 more free throws on the road and 2 SIU starters fouled out. But down the stretch, there was a noticeable lack of foul calls on both ends against the Salukis that they were calling much of the game. I guess that's where the "home court" officiating comes in.
also down the stretch, creighton started flopping at every opportunity and racked up fouls on non-calls.

[TrueBlueJay]

Great basketball game tonight. Great effort by both teams.

Congrats to SIU.

[kyyle23]

Great game by both teams. Jays would have won had they hit the Free Throws in both halfs. Great game to show what the valley is all about to the national audience. SIU alone is first, but still a few games left and lots can happen. The only thing I did not like was the fans towards the end of the game chanting Creighton Sucks.

I blame the frats. They always sit in front of the dawg pound. :grin:

[go bluejayss]

The only thing I did not like was the fans towards the end of the game chanting Creighton Sucks.

That made me take the loss mad siu, because i knew they were probably going to win anyway.

[Scalare76]

I really thought the Jays were gonna beat us. They controlled the tempo, took Falker out, and are just such a talented team.

I am starting to think the Valley is better than anyone realizes.

[LincolnJay]

Our gameplan was great driving the ball at the basket all night, that's why all the free throws while SIU settled for jumpers {and made them}. We obviously concentrated on Falker and took him competely out of the game {4 points?} but the jump shooters made the J's.

[go bluejayss]

I really thought the Jays were gonna beat us. They controlled the tempo, took Falker out, and are just such a talented team.

I am starting to think the Valley is better than anyone realizes.


We couldve, If we made Free throws. But anyway, good game it was closer than i thought it would be

[MSNSaluki]

It was amazing showcase for the Valley.
Two great teams.
A great atmosphere.
Too bad somebody had to lose.

One thing is true ... these are two NCAA teams.:salukis: :jays: :valley:

[go bluejayss]

agreed...see you in St. Louis!!!:grin:

[Scalare76]

The Jays beat us in St Louis...Both teams had pretty much an equal chance to win both meetings. I'm proud of my Dawgs for being able to compete with a team like CU. It makes me feel confident about their chances in the Post Season.

[XSaluki]

Favorite part of the telecast was the upper bowl camera bouncing as the students jumped to that Zombie song during a timeout...

That was a great game. I had a bunch of friends who are Xavier fans texting me about the game.

[go bluejayss]

yeah. the commentator was like "hes not jumping with the crowd, its just the bleachers":valley:

[kyyle23]

Watts, Porter, and Tolliver had pretty good games. If Hibma or Miles would have been able to make a bigger contribution I think the outcome would be a lot different. But I guess the same could be said for Falker.

[jays1044]

Watts, Porter, and Tolliver had pretty good games. If Hibma or Miles would have been able to make a bigger contribution I think the outcome would be a lot different. But I guess the same could be said for Falker.

yeah at about the end of the game they were showing isacc on the bench and he was pissed. he didn't look happy AT ALL.

[go bluejayss]

he really wanted to win this, because the win wouldve really solidified the ncaa tourny bid, and an even better shot at valley title.

[jays1044]

and im sure isacc wants to beat siu at least once in his career.. i mean he's got 3 years left. is that enough?

[go bluejayss]

Hopefully....in St. Louis...and next year:naughty:

[Angrybluejaydan]

What a great game. Congrats dawgies. I hated losing that one. Creighton played well tonight and you guys still got the job done. Shaw and Tatum were tremendous. I think the Saluki's only missed 4 second half shots, heard it was 14 of 18. The Jays had to get turnovers or steals to get a stop. Shaw took great shots, and Tatum was very tough, hitting big shots with a hand in his face.

Funk was taken out of the game in the second half with the tough Saluki defense. He got poked in the eye once, otherwise, the officials did a decent job. Faulker's last offensive charge should have been a no call. Dane did a good job flopping on that one.

We got good games out of Dotzler, Watts and Porter and you still came out on top. The replay on the last shot by Porter, and penetration by Nate, showed no foul. Good camera work.

Creighton has to buckle up the chin straps and get ready for UNI Tuesday. There is alot of hoops left to be played. We can't sit around and cry in our beer.

The Saluki's will be fun to watch in the NCAA's.

:jays: :salukis: :valley:

[go bluejayss]

Do we have to win out to get an at large if we dont win tourney?

[fillmore]

Do we have to win out to get an at large if we dont win tourney?
it would help, but finishing top 1, 2, 3 in the valley will probably be enough.

[bleach]

Do we have to win out to get an at large if we dont win tourney?
NO WAY! But don't lose any dumb ones! 8 loses already. You don't want that to get to 11.

[MSNSaluki]

Do we have to win out to get an at large if we dont win tourney?

I don't think so.
I think you guys are in.

[creightonfever]

After cooling down.. I realized this was a good night of college basketball. Calls went both ways and made good decisions I thought. These are definitely 2 NCAA caliber teams and im proud that my jays came close to beating you guys on your home court.

This stings.. but you guys came out big. Tatum was huge. Didnt he have an injury? Yet, he still showed up big tonight.

We had a big chance at the end to steal a win but we kind of choked there.. the tougher team won. I still hope to see you in St Louis!

BTW--Thank you to saluki fans for being pretty respectful here. (Except for the classless chants at the end of the game by your student section..) We sure do hack at you guys alot.. as fun as it is--were pretty brutal.


Heres to a succesful post season :jays: :salukis:

[MSNSaluki]

BTW--Thank you to saluki fans for being pretty respectful here. (Except for the classless chants at the end of the game by your student section..)


True "basketball" fans among the SIU contingent know how good Creighton is and you have our utmost respect.

[kyyle23]

Its strange to read a thread like this after such a closely contested game. Usually someone is really fired up angry or fired up cocky, and there doesnt really seem to be either right now. Everyone is pretty much in agreement that it was a great game that really could have gone either way, and the refs didnt really decide the game.

I like it. I wonder how long it will last? :grin:

[barkeep1967]

Great game Jays.

I don't think there are very many teams in the country that would have beaten either team tonight.

I am not looking forward to a rematch in STL if it happens.

[Little Eddie]

Its strange to read a thread like this after such a closely contested game. Usually someone is really fired up angry or fired up cocky, and there doesnt really seem to be either right now. Everyone is pretty much in agreement that it was a great game that really could have gone either way, and the refs didnt really decide the game.

I like it. I wonder how long it will last? :grin:

Nah...that was a great game. No excuses other than missed freethrows and maybe a couple poor decisions at important junctures of the game. Bummer to have it end like that but I'm proud of the Jays players and still continue to have the respect that I've always had for the Salukis.

I'm glad Cold didn't watch it...he missed the best game of the year in the Valley.

Oh and the Jays can not afford a "let down" at home vs UNI Tuesday...they'll be gunning for us that's for sure.

[LincolnJay]

Its strange to read a thread like this after such a closely contested game. Usually someone is really fired up angry or fired up cocky, and there doesnt really seem to be either right now. Everyone is pretty much in agreement that it was a great game that really could have gone either way, and the refs didnt really decide the game.

I like it. I wonder how long it will last? :grin:

This is because the game didn't involve WSU.

[jaypharmalum]

Good game by both squads. No complaints from this CU fan about anything other than free throw shooting. As far as the refs go, I think the Jays received more than their share of beneficial calls tonight and still couldn't get a "W". Tough one to take, but that's life.

I'd love to see another meeting in St. Lou.

:jays:

[Scalare76]

Coach Lowery had nothing but praise for the Jays after the game. You guys did something to us on our home court that no team has been able to do in a long time. That is to stop Falker and impose the game pace on us. We could not stop you defensively so we had to score. Luckily for us our shots were falling.

Jays are in the tournament and if not then it will be a travesty. They have really picked it up this season and I do not want to play them again!!

Seriously, if SIU had lost I would not have been too upset. They played good and would have felt that they just got beat by a good team and didn't beat themselves. This was good college basketball.

[kyyle23]

I thought Watts and Porter were especially good tonite. At one point Porter was unstoppable, I was kind of worried he was going to steal away the game at that point. Watts was just really solid, I dont think I have seen him play that well against SIU before.

[SalukiProf]

When Northern Iowa visited earlier this season I thought I had witnessed the best college basketball game I would see all season. Many thanks to the Jays and my Puppies for knocking that game out of its shoes.

I must admit that with about 12 minutes to go, three starters on the bench with four fouls, and a 5 point deficit, I thought this game was lost, and began to mentally prepare a gracious message of congratulations to the Jays. Enter Wesley Clemmons. His performance in the stretch after this, when that deficit transformed itself into a seven point lead, may have solidified his spot in SIU's starting rotation for next year. SIU would not, of course, have been even that close were it not for the play of Matt Shaw, who for the first time this season appeared that he might deserve his :innocent: .

Creighton could have won had they hit their free throws. There were a number (4?) of crucial misses on the front end of one and ones, and Nate Funk missed one in the final minute which left SIU with a one point edge with 37 seconds to go. That said, Funk is certainly not to blame for the loss, as he had one of the best performances by a visiting player that I have ever seen at the Arena. As a Saluki fan it was painful to watch. As a basketball fan I could not help but admire a number of moments of great beauty.

I suppose the only thing to be disapointed in is that Falker-Tolliver part deux did not really materialize since both players sat so much of the game with fouls.

See you in St. Louis Jays!

:naughty: :original: :lol: :grin: :clap: :bounceblue: :banana: :Jumpy:

[MVC 4 Life]

This is because the game didn't involve WSU.

I have never heard truer words in my life.

[BMull10]

That game was played at such a high level, now that I can breathe again, I realize how special of a game that was. Like I said in the prediction thread, those were two fantastic teams playing tonight in a fantastic game. I'm thrilled that I had the privilege to be there. And obviously I'm beyond thrilled that we were able to pull that out, both these teams have a great shot to make noise in March.:salukis:

[jt45]

I heard on Starrick say on the radio after the game that SIU shot 86% FG's in the second half, a Valley record, that is salty. I too thought the game was going in the wrong direction when CU took the lead and we had several subs in the game. It was just a great ballgame that made the Valley look good. Bluejays have a very fine ballclub and have provided us with two wonderful games to watch.:valley:

[3ontheway]

As a Jay fan, if you would have bet me that CU would score 68 points and lose I would take that bet any day of the week. I have no complaints about the officials, I just can't believe how unconscious Tatum and Shaw were in that stretch. You just have to tip your hat.

[gosalukie]

great game and awesome atmosphere today. Both teams were fighting thier hearts out and deserved to win. Only disappointment was with the student section chant at the end. During a timeout Randal ran over in front of the section and appeared to me that he was motioning to the students to knock off the chant. Randall gets a bad rap on this forum sometimes he is not a thug, he plays physical but never dirty.

:jays: :salukis: :valley:

Post season is coming up fast......heres hoping the valley makes even more noise than last year!

[Dawgbit]

As I told a CU fan on the way out of the Arena, it was a shame that someone had to lose that game. If ever there was a doubt as to which programs have made the MVC what it is, this game should have been the clincher.

Great game, great atmosphere, it is all good.:valley:

[Yoshi]

Jays gave it away shooting crappy from the line but SIU shot lights out with guys in the face of the better shooters. 65% overall and 73% from 3.

I hope we get you in St Lou because you won't do that again.

Waaah! :nopity:

Be careful what you wish for... :valley:

[siudog]

great game and awesome atmosphere today. Both teams were fighting thier hearts out and deserved to win. Only disappointment was with the student section chant at the end. During a timeout Randal ran over in front of the section and appeared to me that he was motioning to the students to knock off the chant. Randall gets a bad rap on this forum sometimes he is not a thug, he plays physical but never dirty.

:jays: :salukis: :valley:

Post season is coming up fast......heres hoping the valley makes even more noise than last year!

I saw that too and couldnt figure out why Randall would go over to the endline like that ... now that you have explained now I see where he was coming from and what he was doing... Class move by RF

Great game by both sides. only saw the last 5 min of the first half and the entire 2nd half.. the TT and OSU game went to double ot and all we had on the big screen was the running score in the corner...

Two class teams that put on a heck of a show for the country...

:salukis:

[Divergence]

I saw that too and couldnt figure out why Randall would go over to the endline like that ... now that you have explained now I see where he was coming from and what he was doing...

I think he was telling the student not "rush" the floor. This was well after they chant that CU sucks was over.

[OmahaBen]

Good game by both squads. No complaints from this CU fan about anything other than free throw shooting. As far as the refs go, I think the Jays received more than their share of beneficial calls tonight and still couldn't get a "W".

Exactly, the refs called the game the way CU needed it to be called, tight.

Missed free throws (4 out of a possible 6 front-ends were missed, that's awful) were a big reason.

And the last 35 seconds the Jays didn't keep their heads. First by not fouling until after 20 seconds had run off the clock, second by rushing everything on their last possession. Really think Altman should've used one of his timeouts at some point in that span, either after Funk's free throws or after Funk had the ball stripped on the last possession and was stuck on the baseline.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Since I am the only Shocker in the forum, so it seems, I guess I had better say something just in case y'all might think the Shockers are bitter.

Thanks to the O-State v. TT game, I missed about 10 minutes of the opening half of play.

Some comments are as follows:

1. Best player in the league - Nate Funk. I was a little surprised Coach Altman did not have Funk drive more. Funk's spin move in the paint is lethal. P.J. can half-@ss guard it, but no one else on the Shocker team can.

2. Most valuable player in the league, by far - Jamal Tatum. I love this guy. He plays hard every second he is on the floor. He is the heart and soul of the Doggie team. The Shockers recruited Tatum, but unfortunately for us, he chose SIU.

3. I used to know what a foul was in college ball. No longer. I have no clue. I saw Funk get wacked so hard across the face, I thought his head might be detached. I saw Tatum, while running the base line, get knocked out of bounds by what looked like an old fashioned cross body block. No foul in either instance. I suppose no harm.

4. The refs did blow the over and back in the closing seconds of the game. The ball should have gone over to the Jays. I was worried Coach Altman was going to have a stroke or maybe a heart attack.

5. The Jays' weak bench did them in. The bench scored 3 points and two of them were a gift from Miles to Hibma. Actually, I thought Hibma was going to miss the lay-up, but nope. It went in the hole.

6. The only way Matt Shaw is gonna beat a team is if he is not guarded. He is a very fine spot up shooter and free throw shooter. Otherwise, he is a very mediocre player. He played 38 minutes and only had 3 rebounds along with 2 turnovers. His shooting stats were great, 9-12 and 5-6. The Jays left him wide open way too often. Of course, it is called the double team penalty.

7. The Doggies took the Jays out of their kind of game, which is play smart. The Jays had 19 personal fouls and 17 turnovers. These numbers are very uncharacteristic of Blue Jay ball. Also, the Jays were 22-32 from the free throw line. Not bad, but you have to shoot better in tight games.

8. The other hopefuls in the league have to wonder what the impact will be next year due to the loss of Tatum and Young. I sure didn't see anyone on the floor, who looked like they might fill their shoes. However, I am sure the Doggies have recruited several McDonald's All Americans.

The Dawgs are too tough for the league. Way too tough. Not only physically tough, but mentally tough as well.

There are not many players in the league are interested in playing junk yard dog ball. Most of the ones who are interested, play for the Doggies. Outsiders might include Coleman, PJ, Webster and a few others. However, SIU has the most junk yard dogs in one locker room.

[creightonfever]

Only disappointment was with the student section chant at the end. During a timeout Randal ran over in front of the section and appeared to me that he was motioning to the students to knock off the chant. Randall gets a bad rap on this forum sometimes he is not a thug, he plays physical but never dirty.

:jays: :salukis: :valley:

Post season is coming up fast......heres hoping the valley makes even more noise than last year!


That gives me more respect for him.. noble thing to do.

I agree with all of you, Dane and Nick took over this game and w/o them idk what they would have done. Someone over the BJ cafe said dane had the flu, so its pretty incredible he played so well.

Funny.. both teams best big guy didnt really have a great game.. it was more Watts and Shaw.

[austinsaluki]

Since I am the only Shocker in the forum, so it seems, I guess I had better say something just in case y'all might think the Shockers are bitter.

Thanks to the O-State v. TT game, I missed about 10 minutes of the opening half of play.

Some comments are as follows:

1. Best player in the league - Nate Funk. I was a little surprised Coach Altman did not have Funk drive more. Funk's spin move in the paint is lethal. P.J. can half-@ss guard it, but no one else on the Shocker team can.

2. Most valuable player in the league, by far - Jamal Tatum. I love this guy. He plays hard every second he is on the floor. He is the heart and soul of the Doggie team. The Shockers recruited Tatum, but unfortunately for us, he chose SIU.

3. I used to know what a foul was in college ball. No longer. I have no clue. I saw Funk get wacked so hard across the face, I thought his head might be detached. I saw Tatum, while running the base line, get knocked out of bounds by what looked like an old fashioned cross body block. No foul in either instance. I suppose no harm.

4. The refs did blow the over and back in the closing seconds of the game. The ball should have gone over to the Jays. I was worried Coach Altman was going to have a stroke or maybe a heart attack.

5. The Jays' weak bench did them in. The bench scored 3 points and two of them were a gift from Miles to Hibma. Actually, I thought Hibma was going to miss the lay-up, but nope. It went in the hole.

6. The only way Matt Shaw is gonna beat a team is if he is not guarded. He is a very fine spot up shooter and free throw shooter. Otherwise, he is a very mediocre player. He played 38 minutes and only had 3 rebounds along with 2 turnovers. His shooting stats were great, 9-12 and 5-6. The Jays left him wide open way too often. Of course, it is called the double team penalty.

7. The Doggies took the Jays out of their kind of game, which is play smart. The Jays had 19 personal fouls and 17 turnovers. These numbers are very uncharacteristic of Blue Jay ball. Also, the Jays were 22-32 from the free throw line. Not bad, but you have to shoot better in tight games.

8. The other hopefuls in the league have to wonder what the impact will be next year due to the loss of Tatum and Young. I sure didn't see anyone on the floor, who looked like they might fill their shoes. However, I am sure the Doggies have recruited several McDonald's All Americans.

The Dawgs are too tough for the league. Way too tough. Not only physically tough, but mentally tough as well.

There are not many players in the league are interested in playing junk yard dog ball. Most of the ones who are interested, play for the Doggies. Outsiders might include Coleman, PJ, Webster and a few others. However, SIU has the most junk yard dogs in one locker room.

Good, intelligent post.

If and when I get a site set up for intelligent discussion about MVC basketball (invitation only), you will definitely be invited.

Sorry, don't hold your breath--I have a day job!

Nice objective analysis!

[Studgunners]

As a Jay fan, if you would have bet me that CU would score 68 points and lose I would take that bet any day of the week. I have no complaints about the officials, I just can't believe how unconscious Tatum and Shaw were in that stretch. You just have to tip your hat.


Creighton was 16-0 this season when scoring at least 62 points. They said this during the game. Pretty unreal that the score ended up this high considering that SIU was in the game.....both offensively and defensively. :naughty:

[jelly_81]

Great game played by both teams. I really thought that SIU was gonna lose it at the end. But they held on and were able to squeak one out. Great game for both teams. Now it's off to Springfield. GO DAWGS!!!

:salukis: :valley:

[blueblood]

Just got home from the game. Wow. I am exhausted. The game was like 6 hours long. A friend of mine and I were the first in blue to walk in to the arena about 90 minutes before game time and where met by a barrage of yelling from the student section. Very few people did not have on a Creighton sucks shirts. Dawgbit took me over to the student section where I had my picture taken with them all screaming at me and flipping me off. 95% of it was all in good fun. A SIU booster told me they are reducing the seats to get more chair backs. I don't know why anyone would ever change that place. A game there is just plain exhausting and it was a riot to go there in blue. Highlight of my year. Thanks Dawgbit.

[dogdays]

I made a promise to mysef at about the 12 min mark( I think it was) when CU was up by 5 or 6 that I was going to post here regardless of the outcome on what a great game it was and what a great college atmosphere. Well, somehow we pulled it out, but CU certainly didnt deserve to lose. Tremendous basketball game played by two great teams. One team punched the other in the mouth, the other punched back...no backing down, yet cleanly played. I know now why I love this rivalry even more than I did. While ISU and BU may be the oldest rivalry in the MVC SIU/CU is the best right now, between the two best teams in this league for the past 6 or 7 years. Great game, I hope CU wins out the rest of the way and that we do to..Congrats on a great game played , it really is too bad someone had to lose this one

[pbutler]

I guess that's where the "home court" officiating comes in.

I thought it was a pretty fairly called game-if anything CU got a couple more but I am not going to second guess. CU players showed a lot of guts and talent-just a couple shots fall differently and a different story-as close to losing as SIU comes at home.

Unfortunately unlike CU coach and players it wouldn't be an SIU game without Creighton or WSU fans crying about the refs-even when SIU gets more fouls called on them. Thanks for completing the cycle there Stud.

[txsaluki05]

Just got home from the game. Wow. I am exhausted. The game was like 6 hours long. A friend of mine and I were the first in blue to walk in to the arena about 90 minutes before game time and where met by a barrage of yelling from the student section. Very few people did not have on a Creighton sucks shirts. Dawgbit took me over to the student section where I had my picture taken with them all screaming at me and flipping me off. 95% of it was all in good fun. A SIU booster told me they are reducing the seats to get more chair backs. I don't know why anyone would ever change that place. A game there is just plain exhausting and it was a riot to go there in blue. Highlight of my year. Thanks Dawgbit.

You're gonna post that picture, right?

[SIU_amf1900]

yeah. the commentator was like "hes not jumping with the crowd, its just the bleachers":valley:
Yeah it got so bad in the dog pound that a row behind me and a row in front of me actually had the bleachers snapping and cracking off. It was absolutely crazy today. It was everything you wanted to have in a college ball game, two tough teams leaving everything on the court. No matter what everytime SIU and CU meet it's a damn good game. Wouldn't mind see you guys in St Louis would be another great game.

[Dawgbit]

Just got home from the game. Wow. I am exhausted. The game was like 6 hours long. A friend of mine and I were the first in blue to walk in to the arena about 90 minutes before game time and where met by a barrage of yelling from the student section. Very few people did not have on a Creighton sucks shirts. Dawgbit took me over to the student section where I had my picture taken with them all screaming at me and flipping me off. 95% of it was all in good fun. A SIU booster told me they are reducing the seats to get more chair backs. I don't know why anyone would ever change that place. A game there is just plain exhausting and it was a riot to go there in blue. Highlight of my year. Thanks Dawgbit.

Blueblood is a trooper.:yes:

[dawg]

Glad you are home safe Blueblood. The arena must have seemed like a lonely place -- I didn't see much blue around. My wife and I did get a kick out of the lone couple of bluejays above us screaming their lungs out during Saluki free-throws.

[dawg]

As I told a CU fan on the way out of the Arena, it was a shame that someone had to lose that game. If ever there was a doubt as to which programs have made the MVC what it is, this game should have been the clincher.

Great game, great atmosphere, it is all good.:valley:

Wait ... I thought WSU was the class of the valley!

.. snicker ...

[salukibob]

Perhaps the cheer deemed 'classless' by the SIU student section at the end of the game had something to do with the very kind things that were yelled at Randal Falker during his trip to Omaha a couple of weeks ago?? :yes:

[dawg]

I'm 40, so I'm far from being a kid, but the C Sucks chant didn't bother me. These are college students -- watching one of the best games they will see this year. Compared to the many swear words they could have used, I don't think C Sucks is that big of a deal. At least we didn't hear the insulting NIT NIT NIT chant (or at least I didn't hear it from where I was at). The refs suck chant was funny as hell -- I think the whole arena joined in one that one.

The arena was absolutely rocking ... I wonder how often they check those bleachers for safety ..

[Ricky Del Rio]

Wait ... I thought WSU was the class of the valley!

.. snicker ...

This snide comment is precisely why I do not hold the Doggie fans in the same high regard as I do fans of other schools.

Somehow, you cannot manage to bask in the glory of a sweet victory with grace. Somehow, you must always cheapen it with some crude comment.

You might want to take some lessons on civility from Kyyle.

[kyyle23]

Nate Funk and Dane Watts had 17 points apiece for the Bluejays, who lost a share of the league lead while dropping to 2-60 on the road against ranked teams -- including 22 straight losses since defeating then-No. 13 Indiana State on Jan. 28, 1978.

This was on the ESPN recap. It kind of blows me away. Didnt Creighton ever play a ranked team when Korver was playing? Does this count post-season as well?

edit: NM the comment about the postseason, all of those games are neutral

[cbjay]

This was on the ESPN recap. It kind of blows me away. Didnt Creighton ever play a ranked team when Korver was playing? Does this count post-season as well?

edit: NM the comment about the postseason, all of those games are neutral

I've heard this before but wasn't UNI ranked #25 last year when we went to their place and beat them or was that in Omaha?

[saluki70]

and im sure isacc wants to beat siu at least once in his career.. i mean he's got 3 years left. is that enough?

3 years to beat SIU......I don't know, it will be close.

[creightonfever]

Im posotive Isaac will have the chance to beat them at least once. We are the salukis *****, definitely, but the jays are tired of losing to you and sometimes thats enough. It makes me sad that AT and nick never had the chance to beat you guys..

how bout this stat? AT is 0-8 against SIU!

Hopefully we see you again on a sunday..

[saluki70]

This snide comment is precisely why I do not hold the Doggie fans in the same high regard as I do fans of other schools.

Somehow, you cannot manage to bask in the glory of a sweet victory with grace. Somehow, you must always cheapen it with some crude comment.

You might want to take some lessons on civility from Kyyle.

RDR, snide comments?? Not holding Doggie fans in high regard?? Well, we will certainly take that as a compliment from an astute commentator such as yourself.

However, RDR, we want to be perfectly clear with you----it's not that we don't respect WSU, because most Saluki fans have a great deal of respect for WSU and what their team brings to the Valley. It's just that we don't respect you..................

[DannyCooksey]

Great, hard fought game. It looked like CU lost this one at the foul line. They had chances to cash in and failed. Shaw was a monster and Tatum made some very difficult shots in the last minutes. He really came up big for his team. I thought Watts was really good for the Jays. Great atmosphere for the national audience. This was a great game to show the great basketball that the Valley offers.

On a side topic, I am continually amazed at the things Tony Young gets away with. Let me say that I think he is a very good defensive player and in my mind, the most important player on the team. I mean this as a compliment. Tony Young would have been a perfect member of the Bad Boys Detroit Pistons teams of the '80's and early 90's. He would have been a perfect compliment to Laimbeer, Thomas, Salley, Rodman, Mahorn and those guys.

That said, what he was doing to Funk on his drives to the basket were things that I'd get arrested for if I did them on the street. I understand he has the reputation of being the leagues best perimeter defender and I give him that due. However, I believe Nate Funk has also earned the right to get a couple bump calls as well.

If Young is allowed such liberties in the future then I suspect he'll earn a living playing this game for many years. Again, i am not disrespecting the kid, he is a very good defensive player, just saying that in all my years of watching the Valley I've never seen a guy that is given more leeway with defensive contact than Young gets. Especially in light of recent rules changes in regards to hand checks and other things. I know that CU got away with a couple as well and the refs didn't decide this game. Just saying that if a rule is a rule it should be enforced.

But hey, if he's getting away with it, more power to him. It will be interesting to see if he gets away with it in the NCAA tournament.

:jays: :salukis:

[blueblood]

You're gonna post that picture, right?


No. The reason being I don't want my picture or dawgbit' picture on here. It's a great picture for above my bar after I blow it up but it's nothing personal but throwing your picture on the internet just doesn't sound like a good idea.

Going to an away game is something every big fan MUST do at some point. I have now been to Drake, MSU, NU and SIU. We all act one way in our own arena, but when you see and hear people doing much the same thing somewhere else it is sometimes funny and sometimes humbling of human nature itself. The students were not really out of line, nor were most of the fans. There were a few that would out of the blue walk 3 feet from me and yell F@ck you and point at me that all you could do was laugh. I can't stand the word hate and yelling sucks together is a bit low class when the game is over but what ya gonna do? SIU fans could argue tit for tat but I think this all started with the Korver swallows chant from 5 years ago which the coaches told me had Kyle's mom crying to the point that he had to leave warm ups early. I guess what I have learned is that the majority of the fans that go to away games are related to the players. There were about 25 Creighton fans in attendance. 20 of them were related to players. It has to be very difficult to listen to the barrage of abuse your kids take. I would imagine if Faulkers relatives were at the game in Omaha it was tough. Like I said, you have to be there to see what its like and it will change your perspective. SIU fans have to come to Omaha next year and sit down by the players and you we see how bad it is. There were at least 30 fans all game yelling unprintable stuff at the Creighton team doctor to sit down. The Creighton team doctor? Then some poor 60 year old SIU fan falls off the bleachers and everyone stops yelling to assist the poor old guy. Again, I know it happens in Omaha too I am just pointing out that you have to be on the other side to realize how stupid humans can be sometimes.

Like I said 90% of the stuff was all in good fun and in fact hilarious. I won't forget the trip for a long long time. People on both sides thought I was nuts for going up in the SIU student section to get a picture. Even the scoreboard and security people were laughing their butts off. Our AD, said, "thanks, way to get'em all riled up". I think the SIU students were so caught off guard they didn't know what to do. I knew all along they would think it was as funny as I did and they were great. Please don't change your arena. It's perfect the way it is. Just would prefer a few less f bombs and less hate and sucks. Wish the same when you visit Omaha.

[Ricky Del Rio]

RDR, snide comments?? Not holding Doggie fans in high regard?? Well, we will certainly take that as a compliment from an astute commentator such as yourself.

However, RDR, we want to be perfectly clear with you----it's not that we don't respect WSU, because most Saluki fans have a great deal of respect for WSU and what their team brings to the Valley. It's just that we don't respect you..................

You might get in touch with Kyyle as well.

[dawg]

RDR, snide comments?? Not holding Doggie fans in high regard?? Well, we will certainly take that as a compliment from an astute commentator such as yourself.

However, RDR, we want to be perfectly clear with you----it's not that we don't respect WSU, because most Saluki fans have a great deal of respect for WSU and what their team brings to the Valley. It's just that we don't respect you..................

True dat ...

I was merely repeating what some WSU lamer said on here last week about Class of the Valley. Sorry I hurt your feelings ...

[Mike]

The game in Carbondale and the SUI/CU game in Omaha were two of the best MVC games all year. The crowds at both arenas were large and incredibly loud. It's a great rivalry and one that does the MVC proud. Congratulations to both teams for representing the Valley very well.

[go bluejayss]

No. The reason being I don't want my picture or dawgbit' picture on here. It's a great picture for above my bar after I blow it up but it's nothing personal but throwing your picture on the internet just doesn't sound like a good idea.

Going to an away game is something every big fan MUST do at some point. I have now been to Drake, MSU, NU and SIU. We all act one way in our own arena, but when you see and hear people doing much the same thing somewhere else it is sometimes funny and sometimes humbling of human nature itself. The students were not really out of line, nor were most of the fans. There were a few that would out of the blue walk 3 feet from me and yell F@ck you and point at me that all you could do was laugh. I can't stand the word hate and yelling sucks together is a bit low class when the game is over but what ya gonna do? SIU fans could argue tit for tat but I think this all started with the Korver swallows chant from 5 years ago which the coaches told me had Kyle's mom crying to the point that he had to leave warm ups early. I guess what I have learned is that the majority of the fans that go to away games are related to the players. There were about 25 Creighton fans in attendance. 20 of them were related to players. It has to be very difficult to listen to the barrage of abuse your kids take. I would imagine if Faulkers relatives were at the game in Omaha it was tough. Like I said, you have to be there to see what its like and it will change your perspective. SIU fans have to come to Omaha next year and sit down by the players and you we see how bad it is. There were at least 30 fans all game yelling unprintable stuff at the Creighton team doctor to sit down. The Creighton team doctor? Then some poor 60 year old SIU fan falls off the bleachers and everyone stops yelling to assist the poor old guy. Again, I know it happens in Omaha too I am just pointing out that you have to be on the other side to realize how stupid humans can be sometimes.

Like I said 90% of the stuff was all in good fun and in fact hilarious. I won't forget the trip for a long long time. People on both sides thought I was nuts for going up in the SIU student section to get a picture. Even the scoreboard and security people were laughing their butts off. Our AD, said, "thanks, way to get'em all riled up". I think the SIU students were so caught off guard they didn't know what to do. I knew all along they would think it was as funny as I did and they were great. Please don't change your arena. It's perfect the way it is. Just would prefer a few less f bombs and less hate and sucks. Wish the same when you visit Omaha.


Sounds like a good time:grin: Ive always wanted to go to an away game.

[XSaluki]

No. The reason being I don't want my picture or dawgbit' picture on here. It's a great picture for above my bar after I blow it up but it's nothing personal but throwing your picture on the internet just doesn't sound like a good idea..

Just overlay a couple black bars over your faces and post it. That has to be an awesome photo.

[meatballs]

Going to an away game is something every big fan MUST do at some point. I have now been to Drake, MSU, NU and SIU. We all act one way in our own arena, but when you see and hear people doing much the same thing somewhere else it is sometimes funny and sometimes humbling of human nature itself. The students were not really out of line, nor were most of the fans. There were a few that would out of the blue walk 3 feet from me and yell F@ck you and point at me that all you could do was laugh. I can't stand the word hate and yelling sucks together is a bit low class when the game is over but what ya gonna do? SIU fans could argue tit for tat but I think this all started with the Korver swallows chant from 5 years ago which the coaches told me had Kyle's mom crying to the point that he had to leave warm ups early. I guess what I have learned is that the majority of the fans that go to away games are related to the players. There were about 25 Creighton fans in attendance. 20 of them were related to players. It has to be very difficult to listen to the barrage of abuse your kids take. I would imagine if Faulkers relatives were at the game in Omaha it was tough. Like I said, you have to be there to see what its like and it will change your perspective. SIU fans have to come to Omaha next year and sit down by the players and you we see how bad it is. There were at least 30 fans all game yelling unprintable stuff at the Creighton team doctor to sit down. The Creighton team doctor? Then some poor 60 year old SIU fan falls off the bleachers and everyone stops yelling to assist the poor old guy. Again, I know it happens in Omaha too I am just pointing out that you have to be on the other side to realize how stupid humans can be sometimes.

Like I said 90% of the stuff was all in good fun and in fact hilarious. I won't forget the trip for a long long time. People on both sides thought I was nuts for going up in the SIU student section to get a picture. Even the scoreboard and security people were laughing their butts off. Our AD, said, "thanks, way to get'em all riled up". I think the SIU students were so caught off guard they didn't know what to do. I knew all along they would think it was as funny as I did and they were great. Please don't change your arena. It's perfect the way it is. Just would prefer a few less f bombs and less hate and sucks. Wish the same when you visit Omaha.

I think you're right on the money with your comments here blueblood. That's why I'm always heisitant to make generalizations about a fanbase or comment on the "classiness" of the crowds at games. Like you said, usually 90% are great, willing to trade verbal barbs and laugh at each other and themselves. Then there's the other 10% that think that you coming to their arena, cheering for your team, and wearing your team's colors is some kind of personal affront.

Everyone says that they've got great, "classy" fans. And I don't argue with that because it's true for the most part. But as you said human nature says there's also probably a bunch of jerks out there, and every group of fans has them. You just don't really notice them until you go on the road because when you're home that guy who's yelling obscenities at the opposing team's fans is the same guy that's giving you a high five in the concourse at halftime.


As for the game... WOW! I mean just wow. What a game. All credit goes to SIU after that one. They took everything Creighton could throw at them and took advantage of every opportunity that came their way. The intensity level on both sides was off the charts, the crowd was rowdy, it was everything a rivalry game should be.

Now if the Jays could just win one of these things. To paraphrase Pedro... all I can do right now is just tip my cap and call the Salukis my daddy.

[meatballs]

Just overlay a couple black bars over your faces and post it. That has to be an awesome photo.

Seconded, I want to see that thing.

[dawg]

Me too ... I wanna see it!

[DoubleJayAlum]

What a game. Final result was not quite what I had hoped for, but the game certainly was.

Way to go Salukis. Not only are you physically tough, but you are mentally tough as well. You showed a true "refuse to lose" attitude that I respect completely.

Shooting 85% in the second half? ***? :doh:

My wife told me during the game that she thought I was going to have a heart attack. :grin:

I hate SIU because we always lose to them. But I absolutely respect their program. This is a truly great rivalry with two fans bases that have much respect for one another. I know when the Jays' schedule is released each year, I immediately search for the SIU games and make sure that they are blacked out on the calendar so no other events are scheduled.

[IH8SIU]

Got back from Illinois earlier this evening. Holy Crap that arena is a pile. But damnit, all you do is win there. I wouldn't change it if I were you. Wow it was loud in there. All the fans I sat around were very nice. A little friendly jarring, but nothing unexpected. The students after the game on the way back to the car were a little over the line with some of their profanity, but I guess we can chalk it up to intoxication and heat of the moment? Anyway, if Creighton could get a few wins sometime this could be a top 5 rivalry in college basketball. It's that good - the teams are that good, the fans are that good, the coaches are that good. IH8SIU, but i respect the hell out of them.

Oh, and it's a good thing Tatum had a thigh bruise and Watts had the flu. They looked hampered by both...:original:

See you on Sunday in St. Louis.

[XSaluki]

This sums up the atmosphere...

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[blueblood]

He wasn't horrible but I am surprised ESPN would have an SIU grad announce the game. He did have his homer moments.

[Fraydog]

Actually, Stephen Bardo's dad was once the interim AD at SIU. Stephen went to Illinois.

[Fraydog]

Also, if any of you ask...

Yes, the SIU Arena is as big of a dump as you think it is.

[dawg]

I don't think it is a dump. Its a little dated, but I still think its a cool place.

[landmark]

He wasn't horrible but I am surprised ESPN would have an SIU grad announce the game. He did have his homer moments.



which announcer is an SIU grad? it ain't steve bardo...you got to know he from the flying Illini form the late a980's early 1990's

:salukis:

[underdawg2]

In the interest of full discloser--Bardo IS a Carbondale High grad and attended many Saluki games during high school:salukis: :valley:

[doinit salukistyle]

and he thought the cheerleaders at godshawgod's high school were hot :banana: :banana: :banana:

[gosalukie]

Just got home from the game. Wow. I am exhausted. The game was like 6 hours long. A friend of mine and I were the first in blue to walk in to the arena about 90 minutes before game time and where met by a barrage of yelling from the student section. Very few people did not have on a Creighton sucks shirts. Dawgbit took me over to the student section where I had my picture taken with them all screaming at me and flipping me off. 95% of it was all in good fun. A SIU booster told me they are reducing the seats to get more chair backs. I don't know why anyone would ever change that place. A game there is just plain exhausting and it was a riot to go there in blue. Highlight of my year. Thanks Dawgbit.

Curious as to why you would say you don't know why anyone would ever change the place. Saluki fans are really clamoring for more chair seats and a face lift....is it just because of the extra people that can be packed in with the bleachers? the end zone bleachers? the nostalgia of an old facility? or just the current home success streak?

[blueblood]

The win streak has to have something to do with the arena itself. That place has some charater that can not be replicated. One of the reasons I went to Carbondale was to see the place. I can see doing major work if the place was always selling out and you needed more seatss. Correct me if I am wrong, the CU game was this years first sell out? Are people not going to the games due to the arena? I doubt it. Why mess with what is working? The concessions and bathrooms maybe. It is a very imposing place. You would be cutting your attendance down, you would be getting more blue hairs, it would not be as loud. Why do people want the changes? The only reason I can see changes would be if somehow you added hoopdy doo seats that made SIU a lot more money. But it would ruin the feel it has now.

[barkeep1967]

Why do people want the changes


I don't know that anybody wants to change it per say.

It is just needed. A section of the bleachers actually broke Saturday. Those things are in dire need of replacement.

[blueblood]

I'm not saying don't fix or replace broken bleachers. I am saying if you replaced the bleachers with nice individual seats that lowered capacity would be a mistake.

[Carrcar]

I'm not saying don't fix or replace broken bleachers. I am saying if you replaced the bleachers with nice individual seats that lowered capacity would be a mistake.
We have a capacity crowd maybe once a year...just not enough population to fill the place regularly. Plus lowering the seating to ~8000 allows for luxury boxes and premium prices, parking, better accessories, etc. ($)

[shockerfan13]

A great game between 2 top teams in the Valley, no shots from WSU fans what-so-ever to either team and yet a couple people choose to take shots at WSU when they should be focused on the game. And I wonder why it seems as though WSU has to be in EVERY thread.....hmmmmm....half the time it's not because of WSU posters I know that much.


Anyway, I hate Creighton and only dislike SIU but I respect what both schools have accomplished. I always hate seeing Creighton win...so that was nice to watch. I used to hate watching SIU play because it was pretty boring...to me anyway. But this game was very entertaining. I thought it had a pretty good pace to it and did good to showcase how good the Valley is, but then again pretty much ANY game in the valley would showcase that. Now that SIU has found a way to score a LITTLE better and with a decent seed I could see them going a ways in the tourney. Gratz to SIU...now do me a favor and beat MSU tonight!!

[gosalukie]

[QUOTE=blueblood] It is a very imposing place. You would be cutting your attendance down, you would be getting more blue hairs, it would not be as loud. Why do people want the changes?

that is a very good question and I think the reason is because everyone looks around the Valley and sees new facilities and it becomes a case of keeping up with Joneses. I've also heard that there is concern the old facilities hurt recruiting and that new facilities would help. I think you are right though we would be losing some of the character of the place and we don't need more bluehairs. Thanks for the outside perspective.

[txsaluki05]

The win streak has to have something to do with the arena itself. That place has some charater that can not be replicated. One of the reasons I went to Carbondale was to see the place. I can see doing major work if the place was always selling out and you needed more seatss. Correct me if I am wrong, the CU game was this years first sell out? Are people not going to the games due to the arena? I doubt it. Why mess with what is working? The concessions and bathrooms maybe. It is a very imposing place. You would be cutting your attendance down, you would be getting more blue hairs, it would not be as loud. Why do people want the changes? The only reason I can see changes would be if somehow you added hoopdy doo seats that made SIU a lot more money. But it would ruin the feel it has now.

I don't feel we need a new stadium, and I think the majority of fans agree with me in that we just need to renovate this one so we keep the exact same atmosphere.

[Timmy]

I don't feel we need a new stadium, and I think the majority of fans agree with me in that we just need to renovate this one so we keep the exact same atmosphere.

I think that's exactly what they are planning. Better access to bathrooms and concessions - more chair seats. I loved sitting in QQ on the hard bleachers when I was 8. I'm 43 now and I can assure you - I don't want any part of sitting in the bleachers anymore. I'd rather listen to Reis from home than drive 2 1/2 hours to sit on a wooden bleacher seat that is half the size of my buttocks. They really have to do something about the seating if they are going to draw fans like me back to the dome.