The Class of the MVC

[MVC 4 Life]

That is right :jays: vs :salukis:


What a great game. Go :jays: and go :salukis:

AND MOST OF ALL, GO :valley:

[jaypharmalum]

With three conference games to play and the Jays trailing by one game in the standings and having lost twice to SIU, the hope for CU fans is to win these next couple and hold onto second place. Things look promising considering the sweep of MSU (thus a one game advantage is essentially two games), but nothing is a given.

Odds are that the top 3 teams will get berths to the dance, so it's going to be scratching and clawing from here on out.

Let the fun begin.

:jays:

[JeremiahJohnson]

That is right :jays: vs :salukis:


What a great game. Go :jays: and go :salukis:

AND MOST OF ALL, GO :valley:

If you mean Kings of the "One and Done", You are correct!
:braves: :shockers:

[dogdays]

What?
SIU = 5 straight NCAA bids most likely 6. One Final 32, One sweet 16. Two one point losses to Ala and Mizzou. A blowout loss to WVU.

CU = 9 straight post season bids, including 5 or 6 to the ncaa and at least one victory over Florida.

WSU= One ncaa bid in what 18 years, 20 years whatever and one sweet 16.and unless they win the tourney they will be ONE and DONE in the NCAA tourney....in the past 20 years...

You really have to be kidding right.

[cantbeatthejays]

If you mean Kings of the "One and Done", You are correct!
:braves: :shockers:



Kinda like the Shockers NCAA tourney appearances in the past two decades. ONE AND DONE :lol:


:jays:

[JeremiahJohnson]

What?
SIU = 5 straight NCAA bids most likely 6. One Final 32, One sweet 16. Two one point losses to Ala and Mizzou. A blowout loss to WVU.

CU = 9 straight post season bids, including 5 or 6 to the ncaa and at least one victory over Florida.

WSU= One ncaa bid in what 18 years, 20 years whatever and one sweet 16.and unless they win the tourney they will be ONE and DONE in the NCAA tourney....in the past 20 years...

You really have to be kidding right.

CU "One and Done" in the last 4 out of 5
CU 2 wins in the last 15 years in the NCAAs, Never been past the round of 32, POWERHOUSE!

WSU 2 Wins in the last 15 Years. One sweet 16.

SIU "One and Done" in the last 3 out of 4

All I am saying is if the being the class of our conference means losing on the first thursday in the NCAAs. You guys have it all locked up. :shockers: :braves:

[dogdays]

Nice selective use of the facts. So one and done in the three of the last four years. What about the fifth year. Why did you leave that out. Sweet 16. WSU most likely wont make the dance this year. Thats what one and done is. CU and SIU have been the class of the Valley.The reality is that SIU and CU have been to the dance numerous times in the past 20 years and WSU has been once. Thats right one bid in 20 years.Would you rather have SIU and CUs success the past 20 years or WSU's? Your argument is not only weak but lame as well.

[JeremiahJohnson]

Nice selective use of the facts. So one and done in the last four years. What about the fifth year. Why did you leave that out. Sweet 16. WSU most likely wont make the dance this year. Thats what one and done is. CU and SIU have been the class of the Valley.The reality is that SIU and CU have been to the dance numerous times in the past 20 years and WSU has been once. Thats right one bid in 20 years.Would you rather have SIU and CUs success the past 20 years or WSU's? Lastly WSU most likely isnt going this year either. Your argument is not only weak but lame as well.
OK OK SIU "One and Done" 3 of the last 5. So you only lose on thursday 60% of the time. Better?

[dogdays]

So because that is the record of CU and SIU they arent the class of t he Valley?
Clearly no one, especially Wichita State has done anything close to what SIU and CU have done in the past ten years.
So how are they not the class of the Valley?
One more time.
WSU , one bid, one sweet 16 , and one MVC championship in 20 years.
SIU 8 bids(likely to be 9) , one sweet 16, one final 32 and numerous conference or tourney championships in 20 years
CU 9 bids(likely to be 10) I believe, one final thirty two.Numerous conference and tourney championships in 20 years.

If they arent the class of the Valley in the past several years then who is.?

[brocks]

There's just no question that SIU and Creighton have been the class of the Valley in the last decade and are largely responsible for the re-emergence of the league. But there have been other contributing programs . . . the former SMS, UNI, more recently BU and WSU, even former league member Tulsa, which killed its hoops program by leaving.

For whatever it's worth, here's the way I see it (based on recent trend-lines and recent recruiting):

Programs maintaining elite status: SIU and CU
Programs emerging as Valley powers: WSU and BU
Programs at critical junctures (direction unclear): MSU and UNI
Programs declining: Il St (although recruiting is good) and Evansville
Programs stagnant: DU and Ind St



:valley:

[Veritas]

Not a knock on CU or SIU, but as goes BU and WSU so goes the Valley as a whole. For whatever reason, there just seems more interest in the Valley when BU and WSU does well.
If SIU doesn't do something quicky on their arena, their string of NCAA appearances will seem like a distant memory. They need to do something while the iron is hot. Look what happened with the Shox in the late 80s/90s.
Got to give kudos to SIU though, I don't know how they do it with a revolving door of coaches, poor arena, and small media market.

[pantherhawk]

Hell i would just like to get there and if you are talking about 1 and done, look at UNI 3 straight years 1 and done!

CU and SIU are the leagues top dawgs, year in and year out they are competitive and always have a good fan following. The rest of league i think is on its up swing which is good, you got some teams who are improving and getting better. This is the first year i have seen this league so even from top to bottom. I think the future is bright for the Valley, now only if the Selection Committee could see that!

[Scalare76]

The MVC had a lot of good pub when CU beat Florida and SIU beat Texas Tech in the tournament. Is there really "The Class of the Valley". Probably not. Il State has had some great history too. One and done's kind of stink. SIU lost to an elite 8 team two years in a row with questionable calls at the end fo the game. That hurts. The year Alabama beat us we had a road to the Elite 8 paved out for us. Don't put too much into how far you make it in the tournament. Matchups are a big part of it.

The days when any Valley team would just be happy to be there is gone. WSU has some great basketball history and so does Bradley. SIU does too. I would love for us to have a team tear through the tourny like Il State and In State have done before.

Who's the best team in the conference? That depends on which year it is. Right now I would say it is either CU or SIU. We all have good history, except for well, maybe....not gonna say :-)

[creightonfever]

Please quit being a jealous, idiotic, typical Wichita fan and accept the facts. CU and SIU have carried the MVC banner for postseason in the past decade. Yeah, WSU IS emerging, and I think in the next few years they could get right back in and go far again, maybe farther.. dont get us wrong dude.

One and done is a lot better than absolutely nothing at all.

[bcrawf]

I agree this league would not be where it is without Creighton and Southern Illinois.

As far as Wichita, I think you would even put them behind UNI right now. UNI has been to three straight.... How many for the egotistical shocker fans...

[brocks]

Reading through this thread, it strikes me that this shouldn't really be a fight among Valley fans. I guess there's always that competitive drive to see who's the biggest and best, but so many teams have contributed so much to the reputation of the Valley . . . even Indiana State and Illinois State et al recently. How much do Ind State's wins over Purdue and Butler mean to the MVC? Or even Ill St going and knocking off SJU easily on the road? Those are huge for the Valley.

Creighton and SIU and UNI lead the league in NCAA appearances and are the reason we've become a perrenial multi-bid league (and SIU with a sweet 16 to boot). Before them (but still in the modern era), Tulsa and then-SMS advanced to the Sweet 16. Those teams contibuted mightily to the reputation of the Valley. And yet no teams have done in ONE year what Bradley and Wichita did last year . . . two Valley teams in the Sweet 16 . . . holy crap!

Each program has made its own unique contribution to the lague overall . . . that's the beauty of it. Whether it's making the "bottom" competitive or bringing CBS to its knees, we all deserve credit.

God bless America, and God bless the MVC! :valley:

[jaypharmalum]

Not a knock on CU or SIU, but as goes BU and WSU so goes the Valley as a whole. For whatever reason, there just seems more interest in the Valley when BU and WSU does well.


Are you high? There may be more interest in Peoria and Wichita when those teams are doing well, but that's about it.

[pbutler]

I agree this league would not be where it is without Creighton and Southern Illinois.

As far as Wichita, I think you would even put them behind UNI right now. UNI has been to three straight.... How many for the egotistical shocker fans...

I agree, top valley teams at this time are SIU/CU followed closely by UNI and then WSU and MoSt right there.

The WSU guys just look like morons trying to put themselves at the top. There is absolutely NOTHING they have done that hasn't been done by multiple other valley teams.

No matter how you gauge success WSU doesn't lead in a single one:

Most wins?
Best team over last decade(Most Wins)-SIU
Best team over last 25 years(Most Wins)-Bradley

Depth in NCAA's
Sweet 16-Yea WSU has one, so does SIU, Bradley, and Mo St-and that is off the top of my head. If you want to talk father Trees are the only ones with a final 4 and championship game. Tulsa had an elite 8.

Most Tournament Appearances:
Without looking I am confident that there are several teams with more than WSU-especially Bradley.

Most Successive NCAA Appearances:
SIU-5 and counting, others?

Magical Seasons:
I think SIU went 28-3 or something like that a few years back. I know Bradley and Mo State have had some amazing records too. 20+ win seasons-I am betting WSU isn't even in the top 1/2 of the valley.

Hey, WSU had a great season last year-and one hell of a start this year. But one year doesn't exactly make you "class of the valley" or some dynasty. Congrats you made Sweet 16 last year-yea-you deserved it. Now it is time for another tournament-get over it, stop bragging, and try to whip some NIT butt this year and regroup for another NCAA run next year.

[Veritas]

No Pharm, I'm not high. I've lived all over the country, and it is my perception based on sports coverage from the locals. I simply believe that WSU and BU are the flagship teams for the Valley, and their success means more to the Valley than CU. They generate more sports coverage for the Valley when they do well. This is not a knock on anything CU accomplishes as a basketball program... It is probably similar to living in Omaha with NU generating more sports coverage in Omaha when they do well in contrast to when CU does well. Sorry... It's just the way it is I guess.

[BearChief]

Tulsa had an elite 8.



Tulsa was not in the Valley when they went to the elite 8.

[DJShocker10]

I agree, top valley teams at this time are SIU/CU followed closely by UNI and then WSU and MoSt right there.

The WSU guys just look like morons trying to put themselves at the top. There is absolutely NOTHING they have done that hasn't been done by multiple other valley teams.

No matter how you gauge success WSU doesn't lead in a single one:

Most wins?
Best team over last decade(Most Wins)-SIU
Best team over last 25 years(Most Wins)-Bradley

Depth in NCAA's
Sweet 16-Yea WSU has one, so does SIU, Bradley, and Mo St-and that is off the top of my head. If you want to talk father Trees are the only ones with a final 4 and championship game. Tulsa had an elite 8.

Most Tournament Appearances:
Without looking I am confident that there are several teams with more than WSU-especially Bradley.

Most Successive NCAA Appearances:
SIU-5 and counting, others?

Magical Seasons:
I think SIU went 28-3 or something like that a few years back. I know Bradley and Mo State have had some amazing records too. 20+ win seasons-I am betting WSU isn't even in the top 1/2 of the valley.

Hey, WSU had a great season last year-and one hell of a start this year. But one year doesn't exactly make you "class of the valley" or some dynasty. Congrats you made Sweet 16 last year-yea-you deserved it. Now it is time for another tournament-get over it, stop bragging, and try to whip some NIT butt this year and regroup for another NCAA run next year.

WSU made the Final Four, too. You just have to dig a little deeper.:grin:

[OmahaBen]

No Pharm, I'm not high. I've lived all over the country, and it is my perception based on sports coverage from the locals. I simply believe that WSU and BU are the flagship teams for the Valley

By that logic Indiana State is a flagship program, since the Valley probably hasn't had this much press since the days of Larry Bird.

Or it could just be coincidental and not causational. The reason everyone's talking about the Valley the last two years or so is that the whole league has gotten better. We got four bids last year. That would've still been news had it been MSU and CU instead of BU and WSU.

And for the record, I wouldn't trust anyone who rips their username from the shield of that overrated hack of a school in Cambridge.

[Divergence]

You really have to be kidding right.

Evidently you haven't read the forum rulez. Past history can only be talked about if it been within the last year. This rule was made up by I believe CCC and SWCCMSU fans.

So therefore based on this rule, only Bradley and WSU have accomplished anything for the MVC in the past.

[jaypharmalum]

No Pharm, I'm not high. I've lived all over the country, and it is my perception based on sports coverage from the locals. I simply believe that WSU and BU are the flagship teams for the Valley, and their success means more to the Valley than CU. They generate more sports coverage for the Valley when they do well. This is not a knock on anything CU accomplishes as a basketball program... It is probably similar to living in Omaha with NU generating more sports coverage in Omaha when they do well in contrast to when CU does well. Sorry... It's just the way it is I guess.

No disrespect intended to WSU or BU with this next comment, but what freaking planet have you been living on? There was just an article last week pointing out the CU was the "glam" team of the MVC despite the success SIU has against the Jays. I'd say there are at least two teams generally regarding as the "flagship" MVC teams before BU and WSU enter the discussion.

Try reading any basketball columnist or watching any sports programming and you'd be able to make a more intelligent post next time.

[Webersback]

I have said this before and I will say it again. The Valley needs Wichita and Bradley to be good. When they are good the league get more respect! If the Salukis had jumped to a 9-0 recors this year with the same schedule Wichita played I truly don't believe we get to #8 in the polls. The year we went 17-1 in the league we struggled to get ranked. When the Shockers and Braves are really good the MVC gets a lot more notoriety.

It pains me to say it, but i do believe it is true. Now it doesn't pain me to say that SIU and CU are the class of the League and the Shockers are a distant whisper when that kind of talk comes up. Unfortunately in this day and age it is what have you done for me lately..anjd the Shocks one NCAA appearance in the last 20 years just doesn't cut it...

[WSUbballer]

I have said this before and I will say it again. The Valley needs Wichita and Bradley to be good. When they are good the league get more respect! If the Salukis had jumped to a 9-0 recors this year with the same schedule Wichita played I truly don't believe we get to #8 in the polls. The year we went 17-1 in the league we struggled to get ranked. When the Shockers and Braves are really good the MVC gets a lot more notoriety.

It pains me to say it, but i do believe it is true. Now it doesn't pain me to say that SIU and CU are the class of the League and the Shockers are a distant whisper when that kind of talk comes up. Unfortunately in this day and age it is what have you done for me lately..anjd the Shocks one NCAA appearance in the last 20 years just doesn't cut it...

As much as it pained you in the first paragraph to agree, I painfully agree with the second one.

[C0|db|00ded]

This thread is really humorous and revealing...

I am reminded of 'Spew (que the Taps intro) when he used to ramble on about the merits of a Creighton education. He would show poll after poll after poll with Creighton ranking high against its peers. The only problem with his argument was that his alma mater's peers were master's level universities. :doh: This is the same kind of discussion. CU and SIU-C fans are pleading with each other in an attempt to convince themselves that their "long-standing" series of one-and-dones means anything else than what it is, a program that has established itself as a perennial tournament stepping stone for major programs in the NCAA tournament.

Wichita State has competed nationally for 30 years in baseball and continually has BCS programs rolling through the campus. We have competed nationally off-and-on in basketball during the last 50 years as well. A class program is a well-funded, well-supported, well-displayed, nationally successful program that stands the test of time. Last year we snag a Sweet 16, something Mr. Altman would trade his massive collection of one-and-dones for in a second. This year we attain a consensus #8 ranking with a skeleton crew on the post.. something most Valley programs can only dream of... Even after our ugly slide we were continually getting the lion's share of Valley press while the current Valley leaders were cranking out win after win.

This forum was quiet as a church at the beginning of the season mainly due to the awe of watching most of my predictions come true. We showed early success and Wichita State was catapulted into the limelight. We probably didn't deserve to be #8 but we sure got it and as soon as we can get this ship righted we will be going right back up there. You can have your definition of what a "Class" program is and I'll have mine. The massive media attention that WSU has garnered over the last 12 months considering our relative lack of tournament success over the past 16 years is embarrassing. There is no other explanation for it...

It's a great day to be a Shocker!


T


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[salukibob]

I don't know, I think it's time you give yourself the Shocker.

[jaypharmalum]

This thread is really humorous and revealing...

I am reminded of 'Spew (que the Taps intro) when he used to ramble on about the merits of a Creighton education. He would show poll after poll after poll with Creighton ranking high against its peers. The only problem with his argument was that his alma mater's peers were master's level universities. :doh: This is the same kind of discussion. CU and SIU-C fans are pleading with each other in an attempt to convince themselves that their "long-standing" series of one-and-dones means anything else than what it is, a program that has established itself as a perennial tournament stepping stone for major programs in the NCAA tournament.

Wichita State has competed nationally for 30 years in baseball and continually has BCS programs rolling through the campus. We have competed nationally off-and-on in basketball during the last 50 years as well. A class program is a well-funded, well-supported, well-displayed, nationally successful program that stands the test of time. Last year we snag a Sweet 16, something Mr. Altman would trade his massive collection of one-and-dones for in a second. This year we attain a consensus #8 ranking with a skeleton crew on the post.. something most Valley programs can only dream of... Even after our ugly slide we were continually getting the lion's share of Valley press while the current Valley leaders were cranking out win after win.

This forum was quiet as a church at the beginning of the season mainly due to the awe of watching most of my predictions come true. We showed early success and Wichita State was catapulted into the limelight. We probably didn't deserve to be #8 but we sure got it and as soon as we can get this ship righted we will be going right back up there. You can have your definition of what a "Class" program is and I'll have mine. The massive media attention that WSU has garnered over the last 12 months considering our relative lack of tournament success over the past 16 years is embarrassing. There is no other explanation for it...

It's a great day to be a Shocker!


T


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a) if making the NCAA tournament more than once a generation is a stepping stone, the Shox wouldn't know. Kent State and George Mason have gone deeper in the tourney than WSU did last year and does anyone think those schools are anything more than a one-hit wonder? Thus, shouldn't WSU be categorized similarly?

b) when is Syracuse coming to Wichita? Kansas? Kansas State?

c) haven't seen much press about WSU lately, sans the "what the hell happened to WSU" questions

d) if missing the NCAA tourney makes it a great day, you have had a great decade

[austinsaluki]

OK OK SIU "One and Done" 3 of the last 5. So you only lose on thursday 60% of the time. Better?

You can only lose on the first Thursday if you're THERE, which your guys haven't been 4 of the last 5, 5 of the last 6...uh...11 of the last 12, etc.

DUMB!

[austinsaluki]

Hey Cold,

You've actually been pretty quiet since late December--is that because you're in awe of the accuracy of your predictions?

Just wondering...

[brocks]

On the BU/WSU thing . . . Doug Elgin himself has said that this conference will never be what it can be until those two programs are resurrected as perennial conference championship contenders. Elgin himself called those two the "flagship" programs of the conference. NOW . . . BEFORE anyone goes off about this, let me say what Elgin probably would too . . . those comments were made around 5 years ago, well before anyone knew that Creighton could draw 14K plus per game, well before SIU had established itself as an every-year NCAA team, etc.

But it's not at all unfair to say that this league is going to be a lot better off if Wichita State and Bradley get back to what they used to be. Those are proud programs that can draw serious interest when they're doing well. That's not to take anything away from other Valley programs; it's just to say that "traditional" powers ought not fade too much, lest their conference suffer. Look at the A-10. They need Temple and UMass to get back. I don't think it was insulting to any other MVC team for Elgin to say we need BU and WSU to get back (in fact, it was almost insulting to BU and WSU).

Those two programs re-emerging last year the way they did was good for the whole conference.

[WuGameClan]

Wow…some of you need to learn how to not reply to certain posts. I am embarrassed by some of my fellow WSU posters, however the fact that you reply to them as if they are going to absorb your arguments is even more embarrassing.

[JeremiahJohnson]

You can only lose on the first Thursday if you're THERE, which your guys haven't been 4 of the last 5, 5 of the last 6...uh...11 of the last 12, etc.

DUMB!

If getting a bid and losing in the first round most of the time is your idea of success. I congratulate you. YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL! :jays: :salukis:

BTW what has the whopping 5 tourney wins combined by SIUC and CU in the last 10 years done for the valley? I am sick of hearing that crap. If anything your lack of success in the tourney has hindered us from getting more bids.

[barkeep1967]

If getting a bid and losing in the first round most of the time is your idea of success. I congratulate you. YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL!



Pick up a paper tuesday.

There will be one team ranked in the 15-17 area and two more team getiing votes. There were two teams on TV yesterday that the gameday crew convered and the Midnight madness show talked about quite a bit.


Care to guess which mighty team is not any one of those teams ?

You are nothing but a Clod wanna be. You are using his retread bait and are in no way even a little bit creative. It's actually rally a bit pathetic and I feel almost sorry for you.

[JeremiahJohnson]

Pick up a paper tuesday.

There will be one team ranked in the 15-17 area and two more team getiing votes. There were two teams on TV yesterday that the gameday crew convered and the Midnight madness show talked about quite a bit.


Care to guess which mighty team is not any one of those teams ?

You are nothing but a Clod wanna be. You are using his retread bait and are in no way even a little bit creative. It's actually rally a bit pathetic and I feel almost sorry for you.

Well I for one am hoping that you can parlay your ranking and pub into a tourney win this year!

God knows it didnt help us.

[C0|db|00ded]

a) if making the NCAA tournament more than once a generation is a stepping stone, the Shox wouldn't know. Kent State and George Mason have gone deeper in the tourney than WSU did last year and does anyone think those schools are anything more than a one-hit wonder? Thus, shouldn't WSU be categorized similarly?

b) when is Syracuse coming to Wichita? Kansas? Kansas State?

c) haven't seen much press about WSU lately, sans the "what the hell happened to WSU" questions

d) if missing the NCAA tourney makes it a great day, you have had a great decade

a) if making the NCAA tournament more than once a generation is a stepping stone, the Shox wouldn't know. Kent State and George Mason have gone deeper in the tourney than WSU did last year and does anyone think those schools are anything more than a one-hit wonder? Thus, shouldn't WSU be categorized similarly?


Ever wonder why WSU isn't categorized similarly except by MVC fans who are envious of everything black and gold?

c) haven't seen much press about WSU lately, sans the "what the hell happened to WSU" questions


It's kind of interesting why the media is wondering what the hell happened to WSU isn't it... :innocent: You would think a "floundering one hit wonder" wouldn't be so newsworthy.

It's a great day...


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[C0|db|00ded]

Hey Cold,

You've actually been pretty quiet since late December--is that because you're in awe of the accuracy of your predictions?

Just wondering...

Hey clueless,

What prediction would you be referring to, the one about WSU enjoying more media bang for the buck per achievement earned? Yeah, I'm still in awe of that... :clap: :lol:

It's a great decade to be a Shocker!


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[cantbeatthejays]

Hey clueless,

What prediction would you be referring to, the one about WSU enjoying more media bang for the buck per achievement earned? Yeah, I'm still in awe of that... :clap: :lol:

It's a great decade to be a Shocker!


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Is it a great day because you gave yourself the Shocker? :yes:




p.s. St. Louis called, and they're planning on a Thursday game for the Shockers....The "flagship" program of valley, hahaha. :lol:

[Fraydog]

First of all we at SIU are the flagship campus in a fledgling university system that I wouldn't even call that. Basically we have a President (Glenn Poshard) who oversees two campus, but other than that and the BOT that governs both schools, SIU and SIUE are autonomous of each other.

Secondly, I respect WSU's athletic achievements. However, you will never be a BCS program for the same reasons that CU and SIU will not - a lack of a I-A football BCS program. Do you really think that KU and KSU will just let you add football back? If you think that, you are delusional. They were the ones who wanted it gone after all.

Finally, WSU and Bradley need to be strong for the Valley to be strong, but so does SIU and Creighton. WSU and Bradley might provide the background, but we do our share. What I don't appreciate is when these programs are treated like weak sisters. CU has been good back to the Tony Barone days and SIU has two Sweet 16's and an NIT title (as a D2 school in the late 60's that was growing like crazy).

If you want to call WSU the Class of the Valley on the fact they've won the all sport trophy the last few years, great. Just don't use it as a blunt instrument to pound down the other strong teams in the conference.

[gopanthers!]

a) if making the NCAA tournament more than once a generation is a stepping stone, the Shox wouldn't know. Kent State and George Mason have gone deeper in the tourney than WSU did last year and does anyone think those schools are anything more than a one-hit wonder? Thus, shouldn't WSU be categorized similarly?

b) when is Syracuse coming to Wichita? Kansas? Kansas State?

c) haven't seen much press about WSU lately, sans the "what the hell happened to WSU" questions

d) if missing the NCAA tourney makes it a great day, you have had a great decade


Cute kid, jaypharm...congrats on the new addition to the family!

[pbutler]

Even after our ugly slide we were continually getting the lion's share of Valley press while the current Valley leaders were cranking out win after win.

The massive media attention that WSU has garnered over the last 12 months

Cold, you really need to try reading something outside of local Wichita paper.

Nationally you guys are as hot as "Dexy's Midnight Runners"

There was no massive media attention, even when you guys were #8. I saw more on WSU and Bradley last year at sweet-16 time (deserved) than you ever got this year.

[DawgieStyle]

There is simple reply to cold and all the other shocker fans right now boys.

SCORE BOARD

[Divergence]

There is simple reply to cold and all the other shocker fans right now boys.

SCORE BOARD

Hey Mr. Fan of the One and Done Southern Illini Community College

Sweet Sixteen!!!!

[DawgieStyle]

Hey Mr. Fan of the One and Done Southern Illini Community College

Sweet Sixteen!!!!

Uh, we were there in 2002......yawn....been there done that.

[Divergence]

Uh, we were there in 2002......

Really, that long ago. Are you guys just underachievers or are you just trying to set the NCAA record for One and Dones?

Looked at your attendance records this year? Why can't you sell out your arena?

[DawgieStyle]

Really, that long ago. Are you guys just underachievers or are you just trying to set the NCAA record for One and Dones?

Looked at your attendance records this year? Why can't you sell out your arena?

score board.

[Divergence]

score board.

SWEET SIXTEEN!!!!!

[DawgieStyle]

season sweep of Creighton....check

season sweep of WSU....check

The last remaining gem....season sweep of MSU.....find out on tuesday.

Again....Divergence check the standings and the score board it tells you all that you need to know about the important facts of this season.

[Divergence]

And you'll still be the king of the One and Dones.

[DawgieStyle]

And you'll still be the king of the One and Dones.

and you'll still be the kings of the NIT.

I'd rather make the NCAA tourney and lose for 10 years straight in the first round than make the dance one year and fall in the elite 8 and make the NIT the other 9 years, anyday.

[kyyle23]

DawgieStyle- why must you humor them every time? It doesnt even look like you are trying to mess with them, it looks like you get upset and react every time, to everything. Let it lie. One time. please.

Divergence- Kings of the one and done? Lets see, if the Salukis advanced past the 1st round in 2 out of the past 5 years, once going to the sweet sixteen, the other advancing to the round of 32, then how does that make them the king of one and done?

[Fraydog]

This has run it's course.