Barry says selection committee and Valley recognize the Bears as 22-8, not 21-9

[JerryBearSeinfeld]

Barry said today in a interview on St.Louis radio that the selection committe and the Valley will recognize that the Bears should be 22-8
all the selection committee members were giving a tape of the SLU game

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[BEARNUT]

Who said the Bears had nine losses? This is the first I've ever heard of this. I'm totally in shock now. We may actually be a bubble team now. Wow, I'm going to lay down.

[barkeep1967]

Well I guess thats good news for the Bears.

Truthfully though I thinks thats a bad path to take. Starting to change outcomes because of a refs call is a pandoras box.

With the talent difference between the two teams MSU should have dusted SLU and one call should not of had anything to do with the outcome. I disagree with crediting as a win and in fact think it's pretty pathetic. I don't care if it helps the conference or not. Remember next time it may not help.

[JerryBearSeinfeld]

With the talent difference between the two teams MSU should have dusted SLU and one call should not of had anything to do with the outcome. I disagree with crediting as a win and in fact think it's pretty pathetic. I don't care if it helps the conference or not. Remember next time it may not help.

should of, well than every team that has more talent should win every game vs less talented team, but upsets and close games happen and SLU is not bad, Lisch and Liddell are NBA type players according to a lot of people.

[smsandmsuson]

Well I guess thats good news for the Bears.

Truthfully though I thinks thats a bad path to take. Starting to change outcomes because of a refs call is a pandoras box.

With the talent difference between the two teams MSU should have dusted SLU and one call should not of had anything to do with the outcome. I disagree with crediting as a win and in fact think it's pretty pathetic. I don't care if it helps the conference or not. Remember next time it may not help.

I dont disagree. The game should not have been that close but to think that the call shouldnt have been overturned(again) because the refs were given false information is just as bad. Why the game clocks werent together is still beyond me.

[WSUbballer]

Whether it's counted as a W or L, regardless, I still think MSU has to win at least one to be safe and two to be a lock in St. Louis..

[Coasterbill42]

I'm happy it's resolved.

Now if someone could get the word out to ESPN and CBS...

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[3ontheway]

Oh no, these "pleas" or "declarations" never seem to end favorably.:fear:

[Nyghtewynd]

It wasn't a blown call. It was a controllable mistake by the home team that borders on cheating. Still, SLU stinks and the Bears should have won by twenty. I'd pretty much accepted the loss, but when they took the gas pipe on the season I changed my mind, drove down there, and got the win back. They aren't good enough of a team to beat MSU.

[barkeep1967]

and SLU is not bad

You do know they are the 7th place team in the very down A-10 right ?




I never said it was not a bad judgement at the game. I just think it's a very very bad precedent to set now.

[DieHardMSUFan]

Well I guess thats good news for the Bears.

Truthfully though I thinks thats a bad path to take. Starting to change outcomes because of a refs call is a pandoras box.

With the talent difference between the two teams MSU should have dusted SLU and one call should not of had anything to do with the outcome. I disagree with crediting as a win and in fact think it's pretty pathetic. I don't care if it helps the conference or not. Remember next time it may not help.

The change is not considered because of a bad call, we all can accept that. The change is considered because when the refs reviewed the tape, they were looking at the unofficial clock, which was off synch from the game clock. The game clock clearly showed the final shot after the buzzer, which means the Bears won the game.

I think it is correct that MSU did not pursue getting any kind of judgement done on the game, and left it alone as a loss. I also think it was correct to make sure the decision makers knew that this was a loss given by mistake, and should be considered that way.

[Ron Mexico]

Barry said MSU did not seek anything but rather that Elgin and Co. were outraged by it, contacted all the members, etc., sent them various different tapes, views, angles, etc. B went on to say that he is confident that while the game is viewed as a loss it will not hurt them and most if not all would recognize that the team is 22-8 not 21-9. Right afterwards he did say that nothing will be handed to this team nor does this team want anything handed to them they would rather earn it and take what is rightfully theirs. B sounded very confident on the radio, complemented Lowery and SIU saying he should be the National Coach of the Year and that voters are nuts if they think SIU isn't top 10 quality. Overall good interview, Miklasz and co. were very positive on the Bears and the Valley.

:bears: :valley:

So let's go take it at the Arch! Screw all the brackets, networks, rpi's, just do it Bears!

[MVC Fan]

I think MSU handled it right before, and I'm also glad Elgin pursued this. The most they could do was let the committee know exactly what happened and call their attention to it. After that it's up to the committee...but I think this was such an unprecedented situation that MSU should not get penalized for that loss. And if it ever happens again, I'd say the same thing...if it happens more than a few times, I think they'll get rid of the replay, which I would be in favor of anyway.

Take the technology out and it's a win, MSU's RPI looks quite a bit better, MVC's overall looks better...the result is what it is, but became what it is because it was wrongly changed after the fact.

I just hope the committee isn't giving MSU the benefit on this (if they are) as a make-up for last year. THAT would be a bad precedent.

[Ron Mexico]

I think MSU handled it right before, and I'm also glad Elgin pursued this. The most they could do was let the committee know exactly what happened and call their attention to it. After that it's up to the committee...but I think this was such an unprecedented situation that MSU should not get penalized for that loss. And if it ever happens again, I'd say the same thing...if it happens more than a few times, I think they'll get rid of the replay, which I would be in favor of anyway.

Take the technology out and it's a win, MSU's RPI looks quite a bit better, MVC's overall looks better...the result is what it is, but became what it is because it was wrongly changed after the fact.

I just hope the committee isn't giving MSU the benefit on this (if they are) as a make-up for last year. THAT would be a bad precedent.

agree....can't change the past but you can plan for the future

[BearsCountry]

Mr. Hinson should have listened to his assitant coaches who wanted to run on SLU when they were tired instead of milking the clock, we wouldnt be having this conversation.

[troutangler]

should of, well than every team that has more talent should win every game vs less talented team, but upsets and close games happen and SLU is not bad, Lisch and Liddell are NBA type players according to a lot of people.

Lisch and Liddell are not NBA prospects. Liddell needs to develop a jump shot first, and Lisch is a nice college player but not NBA caliber.

As for the SLU tape - Barry can hope the committee takes it into account in one hand and pee in the other...see which one fills up first.

[Ron Mexico]

Lisch and Liddell are not NBA prospects. Liddell needs to develop a jump shot first, and Lisch is a nice college player but not NBA caliber.

As for the SLU tape - Barry can hope the committee takes it into account in one hand and pee in the other...see which one fills up first.

You obviously didnt listen to the show...B said he really didnt care just stated the facts and said Elgin was all over them and got back to him with a positive message

[troutangler]

You obviously didnt listen to the show...B said he really didnt care just stated the facts and said Elgin was all over them and got back to him with a positive message

All I'm saying is that he shouldn't even worry about it at this point. If he doesn't milk the clock to lose the lead, we don't even have to worry about a stinking clock. I doubt the committee would seriously take it into consideration anyway. They aren't going to cut us any slack for it.

[pawball]

This was obviously a good move by Doug Elgin. To argue that the Bears coulda shoulda won this game because SLU ain't that good is sillier than fighting to right the wrong that was done by the clock malfunctions. To make everyone happy, they could just void the game. This was a road game. It's amazing....Bears' fans who want Barry gone still will focus just on their "milking the clock" tissue and not note that da Bears missed good shots and free throws throughout the course of the game and down the stretch.

[Divergence]

Barry said today in a interview on St.Louis radio that the selection committe and the Valley will recognize that the Bears should be 22-8
all the selection committee members were giving a tape of the SLU game

My first impression after reading this is the MVC must be worried about MSU being on the bubble. I think this might have the opposite effect of "highlighting" a loss to the No. 7 A-10 team that you might not want the committee to dwell on.

2nd, I can't, I can't imagine that they want to start a precedent where they start watching game tape of contraversal losses.

[kutch]

Has the situation been fixed with the clocks being out of sync? This is the same building that the conference tourney is in.

[troutangler]

It's amazing....Bears' fans who want Barry gone still will focus just on their "milking the clock" tissue and not note that da Bears missed good shots and free throws throughout the course of the game and down the stretch.

Some of our losses this year weren't from milking the clock, but the SLU game definitely WAS. We had a 10 point lead and the assistants told Barry: "I think we need to run on them and put the away". Barry nodded, but proceeded to have the players walk the ball up the court and run the shot clock down. Could that explain why there were bad shots taken in the last eight minutes of that game? Because our players had to shoot at the end of the shot clock?

We know you want to keep Barry around and you think he's great, but people heard the exchange between B and his assistants take place. The SLU loss is on him.

[BearsCountry]

Has the situation been fixed with the clocks being out of sync? This is the same building that the conference tourney is in.

Yes

[Ron Mexico]

All I'm saying is that he shouldn't even worry about it at this point.

Once again you didn't even hear it....He WAS NOT CONCERNED they brought it up and he answered very respectfully.

[SiuCubFan8]

should of, well than every team that has more talent should win every game vs less talented team, but upsets and close games happen and SLU is not bad, Lisch and Liddell are NBA type players according to a lot of people.

:banghead: :banghead:

[pawball]

Trout, you make it sound as tho every shot the Bears took late in that game was a last second, desperado toss. That just ain't the case. So what if B did something different than what the assistants were lobbying for? He made a mistake there, yeah, but we still could of iced this game by making just a shot and a couple more free throws. On top of that, I never have bought into the notion that this team just can't play ball in a simple, controlled fashion. They just have not executed....made shots and handled the ball correctly. Some of this may be coaching at times but it's not all the coaching. That's been my mantra from the git-go.

[smsandmsuson]

Trout, you make it sound as tho every shot the Bears took late in that game was a last second, desperado toss. That just ain't the case. So what if B did something different than what the assistants were lobbying for? He made a mistake there, yeah, but we still could of iced this game by making just a shot and a couple more free throws. On top of that, I never have bought into the notion that this team just can't play ball in a simple, controlled fashion. They just have not executed....made shots and handled the ball correctly. Some of this may be coaching at times but it's not all the coaching. That's been my mantra from the git-go.

Yes, a free throw would have done it. In fact, Ahearn missed a front end of a one-one, thats the game right there. But, the Bears took 4 shots in the last four minutes and I bet they were all within the last 5 seconds of the shot clock.

[jdoolsiu]

You do know they are the 7th place team in the very down A-10 right ?




I never said it was not a bad judgement at the game. I just think it's a very very bad precedent to set now.

SLU won tonight.
They are 7th in a 14 team atlantic 10. Just to clarify.
Only a couple weeks ago they were battling for one of the top two spots in the conference.
They aren't awful.
But they certainly as hell ain't good.