Waltman Tenure Over ?

[SycamoreFanatic]

being reported over on our board that Waltman informed the team yesterday that he would not be back next season. Never know how that will affect a team's play. They can be one & done or they can make it a Crusade?

:sycamores:

[Superior Knowledge]

I have received information from a more than credible source that says Coach Waltman has indeed told his team that this season will be his last. Hopefully the Sycamores can make a little run and let the season last a little longer for Coach!!



:sycamores:

[saluki97]

What kind of incompetent athletic administrator would make such an ill considered decision to tell a coach that prior to the tournament? Maybe that person is an idiot and should not be retained either. What is the difference between this week or next???

Administration is similiar at many levels!!

[RoyalShock]

saluki97, I don't see where it was said he would be let go. I interpreted the statements to mean he is stepping down.

[bcrawf]

It's too bad, Royce proved that he could win when he was given the resources to do so.

I still contend that InSU has some decisions to make as a University as to whether Division I sports are in their best interest...

[Superior Knowledge]

I think you will see Indiana State make some great strides in the next few years. The AD (Prettyman) has already gotten Indiana State a very good Baseball Coach (Meggs) a soon to be new Basketball Coach. You probably see the football team heading in a new direction soon as well. A few years ago, many questioned what Indiana State was doing, but you will see some huge differences with Sycamores in the years to come.

FYI
Waltman's contract is up, it is my understanding his contract is not being renewed.

[btisu22]

This is from last week, but what I wrote goes here also.
http://valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=3841&page=3
:sycamores:

[ISUBob]

It was just a shame Waltman let it get away from him. He goes on and on that the players cannot shoot, rebound, or play defense. So Royce, why did you recruit those players? The players that can shoot are sitting on the bench such as Russ.

[SycamoreFanatic]

Hey bcrawf:

Don't you worry about Indiana State dropping from D1. UNI or maybe it really should be NIU........folks outside the MVC don't know the difference anyway, has not fared very well in the MVC except for the last three years and they let that get away from them somewhat this year; your men's basketball as well as the women's are starting to fall backward from their recent success. The fall from the penthouse to the outhouse can be sudden or it can just be slowly eroded. Remember the Menser, Renn years at Indiana State? I'm guessing the Sycamores will get back to that level before Northern Iowa sees the top half of the MVC again in the near future.

:sycamores: :clap:

[TreeHugger]

It's too bad, Royce proved that he could win when he was given the resources to do so.

I still contend that InSU has some decisions to make as a University as to whether Division I sports are in their best interest...

bcrawf, I suggest that before "contending" anything that you research UNI's record versus ISU over the past several years. I did.

2006-7

ISU 64 NIU 74
ISU 59 NIU 46

2005-6

ISU 56 NIU 83
ISU 61 NIU 60

2004-5
ISU 48 NIU 64
ISU 62 NIU 55

2003-4
ISU 64 NIU 68
ISU 71 NIU 56
MVC Tourney 3-7-03, ISU 61 NIU 60

2002-3
ISU 61 NIU 74
ISU 39 NIU 59

2001-2
ISU 71 NIU 65
ISU 70 NIU 71

2000-1
ISU 60 NIU 67
ISU 69 NIU 57

Of the 15 games that I was able to find, ISU wins 7, NIU wins 8. Now that seems to me to be very competitive and almost even. To suggest that ISU consider there continuance in Div. 1 athletics is absurd. If that be the case, I would then suggest NIU do likewise.

I don't remember the year NIU was accepted into the MVC, but I do remember that the storyline was because of it's FOOTBALL program as it would lend strenght to the conference. Later, the Gateway was formed to accomodate football. NIU was to the MVC what Penn State was to the Big 10;a boost to conference football.

I also remember Tates Locke's rather uncomplimentary remarks regarding the acceptance of NIU into the conference. Reference was made to the travel distance, climate, and facility. Although NIU has FINALLY abandoned the old multi facility that NIU played basketball in for years for the new facility, it is no more than an Indiana large high school gymnasium.

Although ISU's Hulman Center is older, it is undergoing some upgrades, i.e., replacement of old orange colored theater style seats with blue theater seats and a new million dollar overhead scoreboard. Seating capacity is a tad over 10,000 and there isn't a bad view from any location like in other facilities.

I have no idea what the total athletic program comparison between ISU and NIU would be, but I wouldn't hesitate to do so.

Unfortuantely, ISU was forced to sacrifice the nationally ranked gymnastics and wrestling programs in the early 1980's due to budget constraints and their being non-revenue producing sports. ISU still gets grief from alums over this move.

Hang on to your hat bcrawf because there is a new sheriff(A.D.) in town and things are going to be different from the "good ol' boys" days of the past years under Andi Myers. :yes:

[btisu22]

bcrawf, I suggest that before "contending" anything that you research UNI's record versus ISU over the past several years. I did.

2006-7

ISU 64 NIU 74
ISU 59 NIU 46

2005-6

ISU 56 NIU 83
ISU 61 NIU 60

2004-5
ISU 48 NIU 64
ISU 62 NIU 55

2003-4
ISU 64 NIU 68
ISU 71 NIU 56
MVC Tourney 3-7-03, ISU 61 NIU 60

2002-3
ISU 61 NIU 74
ISU 39 NIU 59

2001-2
ISU 71 NIU 65
ISU 70 NIU 71

2000-1
ISU 60 NIU 67
ISU 69 NIU 57

Of the 15 games that I was able to find, ISU wins 7, NIU wins 8. Now that seems to me to be very competitive and almost even. To suggest that ISU consider there continuance in Div. 1 athletics is absurd. If that be the case, I would then suggest NIU do likewise.

I don't remember the year NIU was accepted into the MVC, but I do remember that the storyline was because of it's FOOTBALL program as it would lend strenght to the conference. Later, the Gateway was formed to accomodate football. NIU was to the MVC what Penn State was to the Big 10;a boost to conference football.

I also remember Tates Locke's rather uncomplimentary remarks regarding the acceptance of NIU into the conference. Reference was made to the travel distance, climate, and facility. Although NIU has FINALLY abandoned the old multi facility that NIU played basketball in for years for the new facility, it is no more than an Indiana large high school gymnasium.

Although ISU's Hulman Center is older, it is undergoing some upgrades, i.e., replacement of old orange colored theater style seats with blue theater seats and a new million dollar overhead scoreboard. Seating capacity is a tad over 10,000 and there isn't a bad view from any location like in other facilities.

I have no idea what the total athletic program comparison between ISU and NIU would be, but I wouldn't hesitate to do so.

Unfortuantely, ISU was forced to sacrifice the nationally ranked gymnastics and wrestling programs in the early 1980's due to budget constraints and their being non-revenue producing sports. ISU still gets grief from alums over this move.

Hang on to your hat bcrawf because there is a new sheriff(A.D.) in town and things are going to be different from the "good ol' boys" days of the past years under Andi Myers. :yes:
Thank you for this post, but remember, he is talking about the department as a whole. They do have great football to bring in some money. We need to upgrade football! Not drop it or drop divisions!
:sycamores:

[SycamoreFanatic]

Have to disagree on the "football thing" BTISU 22................Indiana State should dump football altogether and commit athletic funds to the other sports to become and maintain a competetive program in all sports in the Valley; forget the Gateway and football. Other than a very small group consisting primarily of ex-players and a few elderly fans, nobody in the area gives a tinker damn about ISU football.

:sycamores: :lol:

[bcrawf]

Hey, it's not that I want Indiana State to fail. I would love for them to get better and add another team to the "murderer's row" that the Valley is becoming. But in UNI's last two trips to Terre Haute (football and men's bball) the crowds numbered less than 2,000 COMBINED.

I just think that maybe the best thing for the school would be to drop football and really commit to everything else (ps- I think Lou West is just a joke) or go to the Ohio Valley where there is a better opportunity for you to be competitive.

I agree that we had some "lean" years in Basketball, but we had football to generate revenue (as well as a really successful volleyball program). You just don't have a program right now that you can depend on to make up the revenue that is necessary to compete at this level...

[Khan4Cats]

bcrawf, I suggest that before "contending" anything that you research UNI's record versus ISU over the past several years. I did.

2006-7

ISU 64 UNI 74
ISU 59 UNI 46

2005-6

ISU 56 UNI 83
ISU 61 UNI 60

2004-5
ISU 48 UNI 64
ISU 62 UNI 55 actually UNI 69, ISU 61

2003-4
ISU 64 UNI 68
ISU 71 UNI 56 actually UNI 48, ISU 47
MVC Tourney 3-7-03, ISU 61 UNI 60 correct score, wrong season (02-03)

2002-3
ISU 61 UNI 74
ISU 39 UNI 59

2001-2
ISU 71 UNI 65
ISU 70 UNI 71

2000-1
ISU 60 UNI 67
ISU 69 UNI 57

Of the 15 games that I was able to find, ISU wins 7 actually only 5, UNI wins 8 actually 10. Now that seems to me to be very competitive and almost even. To suggest that ISU consider there continuance in Div. 1 athletics is absurd. If that be the case, I would then suggest UNI do likewise.

I don't remember the year UNI was accepted into the MVC (91-92 Season), but I do remember that the storyline was because of it's FOOTBALL program as it would lend strenght to the conference. Later, the Gateway was formed to accomodate football. Gateway Football Conference was formed in 1985, Indiana State was a founding member, as well as UNI. UNI was to the MVC what Penn State was to the Big 10;a boost to conference football. The MVC still does not have football, unfortunately.



Sorry, but have to correct your obviously diligent research. I know you were trying to annoy us by associating us with Northern Illinois, I will be courteous enough to not do the same.

I am glad that there are changes being made in Terre Haute. From an outsider's perspective there needs to be. I am not with bcrawf in thinking that you need to drop levels, sports, or anything like that. I would love to see ISU competitive in football, I believe you can be, with a commitment to it. I think the possibility/probability is there in basketball, with the right staff in charge. This year was incredibly tough in the MVC given the experience returning, there are several good young players on the Sycamores, with the right additions they can compete, but we'll have to see.

As for UNI's 'decline', I think you are very premature. The basketball programs are on solid footing and should continue. This year was down for the men, but we also finished right where we were predicted (though we are disappointed in the February we had considering our start). In other sports we are just fine as well, the Track teams finished 1st(M) and 2nd(W) in the indoor meet, the outdoor track is just as strong, Volleyball is always among the tops in the Valley, Wrestling is a top 25 program, Football as well. We could use some facility upgrades for baseball, our soccer program is still only about 5 years old, but other minor sports are fine, thank you.

Good luck tonight against Illinois State.

[bcrawf]

Wow TreeHugger, I think you must be a pollster for the Democratic Party...

I haven't seen data manipulation like this since the Kerry Campaign...

[Carrcar]

SF,
You sound like a lot of tSIU fans about 6-7 yrs ago, but the BB might have been worse than the FB. Programs can turn around.
Have to disagree on the "football thing" BTISU 22................Indiana State should dump football altogether and commit athletic funds to the other sports to become and maintain a competetive program in all sports in the Valley; forget the Gateway and football. Other than a very small group consisting primarily of ex-players and a few elderly fans, nobody in the area gives a tinker damn about ISU football.

:sycamores: :lol:

[TreeHugger]

Wow TreeHugger, I think you must be a pollster for the Democratic Party...

I haven't seen data manipulation like this since the Kerry Campaign...

bcrawf, I would be the Democrats worst nightmare as a pollster, especially anything supporting Kerry. As a former Marine Vietnam combat veteran, I have absolutely NO RESPECT for that lying chicken-****.

Data manipulation?........look the record up for yourself honcho.

As for ISU attendance at basketball and football, no argument there because you are 100% right on. It has sucked bigtime. I have no idea what will become of the football program. A.D. Prettyman says that it isn't going to be scuddled.

The football program is viewed as a piece of the total college experience available to students, alumni and the community. Unfortunately, it has been less than inspiring lately. Hopefully, this will turn around.

I wish that outgoing AD Andi Myers had extended the contract of football coach McGuire for another year instead of hiring a new coach with a five yr. contract. She handcuffed Prettyman.

Outta here.....good luck to the Panthers in the tourney.

[bcrawf]

bcrawf, I would be the Democrats worst nightmare as a pollster, especially anything supporting Kerry. As a former Marine Vietnam combat veteran, I have absolutely NO RESPECT for that lying chicken-****.

NOW THAT I CAN RESPECT!!:clap: :clap: :bounceblue:

[DawgieStyle]

bcrawf, I would be the Democrats worst nightmare as a pollster, especially anything supporting Kerry. As a former Marine Vietnam combat veteran, I have absolutely NO RESPECT for that lying chicken-****.

Data manipulation?........look the record up for yourself honcho.

As for ISU attendance at basketball and football, no argument there because you are 100% right on. It has sucked bigtime. I have no idea what will become of the football program. A.D. Prettyman says that it isn't going to be scuddled.

The football program is viewed as a piece of the total college experience available to students, alumni and the community. Unfortunately, it has been less than inspiring lately. Hopefully, this will turn around.

I wish that outgoing AD Andi Myers had extended the contract of football coach McGuire for another year instead of hiring a new coach with a five yr. contract. She handcuffed Prettyman.

Outta here.....good luck to the Panthers in the tourney.


Serious question for millitary people. Do you agree with what President Bush has you doing:

because that is what you are trained to do and told from day 1 that this is the right thing to do

..............or....................

because you actually personally believe what he is having you do is the right thing. and you would still believe this if you weren't in the millitary at all?

..............or...................

because you are afraid to disagree with the commander in cheif and your superior officers, as well as, create a total conflict of interest.

Seriously, I'm curious. I'm sure not every single millitary person out there agrees with what is going on in Iraq, but a lot do, and I'm curious as to why they do.

and obvoiusly once you are back in the states you realize how unpopular this war is, as well as Bush, but while in Iraq do you know this? Does it matter to you as a millitary person that a government by the people for the people isn't being listned to by its people?

Its a touchy subject, I understand, and I don't mean any dis-respect to anyone, I just want some honest answers on this.

[TreeHugger]

Dawgiestyle, that is a damn good question and one that I will attempt to answer from my perspective, but not tonight......sometime tomorrow.

Right now I'm not in the mood. :no:

[SycamoresRule]

I strongly discount the talk of ISU moving to a lower division or lesser conference. Indiana State has been typically coming in as a mid-level school in the conference as far as the all-sports trophy standings go. I believe we were 5th last year and 4th the year before.

Admittedly we struggle in the two highest profile sports: football (struggle would be a nice word!) and men's hoops. That, in my opinion, takes nothing away from the many conference championships our cross country and track teams have won, the tremendous success of our ranked tennis program and the new heights our women's basketball program keeps reaching (actual attendance is higher at most women's games than men's). Do those athletes in less-recognized sports not deserve to play in Division 1?

I agree with other Sycamore posters that our new athletic administration is moving in a positive direction. I mean, you should see the difference in the atmosphere at Hulman Center (though that has gone down some since the annual great collapse began in January) compared to last year. We're still several (okay, many) levels below most of the other teams in the Valley as far as game atmosphere and level of play goes, but I think we're headed in the right direction.

Wish I could be in St. Louis tonight!

GO SYCAMORES!

:sycamores: :sycamores: :sycamores: :sycamores: :sycamores: :sycamores:

[ISUBob]

What kind of incompetent athletic administrator would make such an ill considered decision to tell a coach that prior to the tournament? Maybe that person is an idiot and should not be retained either. What is the difference between this week or next???

Administration is similiar at many levels!!

Kick us while we are down. Do you EVER think about what you say before you say it?

[ISUBob]

It's too bad, Royce proved that he could win when he was given the resources to do so.

I still contend that InSU has some decisions to make as a University as to whether Division I sports are in their best interest...

Ya, read your post, you say Royce can win , but my Lord go down to D-2 for Christ sakes. Read your post .

[bcrawf]

Those were two seperate thoughts.. hence, the space.

I think that DIII may be the right fit for you. I really am not trying to offend anyone. I think that a lot of fans in both the Valley and Gateway really want InSU to succeed, I just don't see the commitment...

[ISUBob]

Hey bcrawf:

Don't you worry about Indiana State dropping from D1. UNI or maybe it really should be NIU........folks outside the MVC don't know the difference anyway, has not fared very well in the MVC except for the last three years and they let that get away from them somewhat this year; your men's basketball as well as the women's are starting to fall backward from their recent success. The fall from the penthouse to the outhouse can be sudden or it can just be slowly eroded. Remember the Menser, Renn years at Indiana State? I'm guessing the Sycamores will get back to that level before Northern Iowa sees the top half of the MVC again in the near future.

:sycamores: :clap:

You know, I do not get why this NIU Jerkoff has a woody for us to drop down to D-2? Seems to me if he thinks we suck that bad, he would like to play us as a Valley member. Sorry, did we beat NIU? I think so.

[bcrawf]

I am sorry. I want nothing more than for ISU to succeed in both football and basketball (especially football, so that you can stay in the Gateway and keep scheduling a little easier).

You were experiencing the same problems that Iowa State was under their previous AD, a lack of vision. Our AD has said repeatedly that he doesn't know what level you are willing to commit to sports. Its just really sad that things are as they are with your outstanding tradition. :sycamores:

[ISUBob]

Serious question for millitary people. Do you agree with what President Bush has you doing:

because that is what you are trained to do and told from day 1 that this is the right thing to do

..............or....................

because you actually personally believe what he is having you do is the right thing. and you would still believe this if you weren't in the millitary at all?

..............or...................

because you are afraid to disagree with the commander in cheif and your superior officers, as well as, create a total conflict of interest.

Seriously, I'm curious. I'm sure not every single millitary person out there agrees with what is going on in Iraq, but a lot do, and I'm curious as to why they do.

and obvoiusly once you are back in the states you realize how unpopular this war is, as well as Bush, but while in Iraq do you know this? Does it matter to you as a millitary person that a government by the people for the people isn't being listned to by its people?

Its a touchy subject, I understand, and I don't mean any dis-respect to anyone, I just want some honest answers on this.

Dawg, I am right there with you brother. Help me us out (FOR CHRIST SAKES WE NEED IT) with this UNI jerk. Sare the love now!!

[ISUBob]

I am sorry. I want nothing more than for ISU to succeed in both football and basketball (especially football, so that you can stay in the Gateway and keep scheduling a little easier).

You were experiencing the same problems that Iowa State was under their previous AD, a lack of vision. Our AD has said repeatedly that he doesn't know what level you are willing to commit to sports. Its just really sad that things are as they are with your outstanding tradition. :sycamores:
If that is what you want, then STOP talking KA KA!!

[bcrawf]

I am seriously not trying to be a jerk. I am just saying what an awful lot of people in the Valley and Gateway are thinking...

I really want the Sycs to succeed, but until I see the commitment and the attendance improve, I am just not sold...

[ISUBob]

What a shame, see ya coach!!

[ISUBob]

I am seriously not trying to be a jerk. I am just saying what an awful lot of people in the Valley and Gateway are thinking...

I really want the Sycs to succeed, but until I see the commitment and the attendance improve, I am just not sold...

Until you see a commitment? I missed the part where you were in charge od the MVC.

[bcrawf]

I PERSONALLY am not sold... I have no clout, I am just sharing an opinion...

[ISUBob]

[QUOTE=bcrawf]I am sorry. I want nothing more than for ISU to succeed in both football and basketball (especially football, so that you can stay in the Gateway and keep scheduling a little easier).

You were experiencing the same problems that Iowa State was under their previous AD, a lack of vision. Our AD has said repeatedly that he doesn't know what level you are willing to commit to sports. Its just really sad that things are as they are with your outstanding tradition. :sycamores:[/QUO

Yes you are right. A crappy team like Indiana State that should drop down to D-3, ohh, hang on, we beat UNI!! Yes, UNI drop down RIGHT now to D-3. You cannot be in D-1 if a D-3 team beats you. Tomorrow, make sure you drop down NOW!!

[IndyTreeFan]

I PERSONALLY am not sold... I have no clout, I am just sharing an opinion...

Look, we've been D-I for a while now. We're not going anywhere. We are slowly clawing our way out of a huge hole dug for us by an AD who was waaaaay in over her head, who didn't really know what to do. She made hires based on some PC "agenda," didn't think facilities were that important, and just generally ran the whole thing into the ground. (Kinda like Myles Brand at IU)

We've got a real AD now. Give him a few years - you can't turn the Titanic on a dime. This guy's upgrading our facilities (some say he's even talking about building an on-campus football stadium), making smart hires, raising money - generally doing the things that a real D-I AD is supposed to do (even though he doesn't moonlight as a ref...).

I don't know why you are so hellbent on believing that ISU is beyond hope, but we're coming back. Wait till you see who we get as our new basketball coach!!!

:bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue:

[bcrawf]

I know that you beat us. Hell, Drake swept us.

The key is that there were around 750 butts in seats in the Hulman Center that night. I can't imagine that there is a sport that you can count on for revenue. I also know that some of your lesser known/ low revenue sports are quite successful. Athletics is controlled by money and with limited ticket sales in your two revenue sports, it will be awfully hard to make significant strides...

[bcrawf]

Look, we've been D-I for a while now. We're not going anywhere. We are slowly clawing our way out of a huge hole dug for us by an AD who was waaaaay in over her head, who didn't really know what to do. She made hires based on some PC "agenda," didn't think facilities were that important, and just generally ran the whole thing into the ground. (Kinda like Myles Brand at IU)

We've got a real AD now. Give him a few years - you can't turn the Titanic on a dime. This guy's upgrading our facilities (some say he's even talking about building an on-campus football stadium), making smart hires, raising money - generally doing the things that a real D-I AD is supposed to do (even though he doesn't moonlight as a ref...).

I don't know why you are so hellbent on believing that ISU is beyond hope, but we're coming back. Wait till you see who we get as our new basketball coach!!!

:bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue:

I hope this new AD works out for you. I love getting to play the "Alma Mater of Larry Bird" in both major sports.

Good Luck Sycs!!!:sycamores: :sycamores:

PS- What names are you hearing to replace Royce...

[IndyTreeFan]

PS- What names are you hearing to replace Royce...

I don't want to jinx anything, but the names I'm hearing are seriously big time, and would really help us out. I think our AD realizes that Men's Basketball HAS to get really good, because that's our flagship sport, and the only one that has any hope of making any money. I'm feeling confident that he's going to treat the search as the "make or break" of his tenure at ISU.

:bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue:

[bcrawf]

There was a certain SL with Midwester ties that I saw rumored somewhere. I don't know if that is the name you heard...

[IndyTreeFan]

There was a certain SL with Midwester ties that I saw rumored somewhere. I don't know if that is the name you heard...

I've heard that, but that's not who I'm thinking. It's a bit of a stretch to give up $$$Millions to come to Terre Haute. But my name would make you all go "Cool. Nice move. WOW!"

I just hope it happens...

:bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue:

[ISUBob]

I've heard that, but that's not who I'm thinking. It's a bit of a stretch to give up $$$Millions to come to Terre Haute. But my name would make you all go "Cool. Nice move. WOW!"

I just hope it happens...

:bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue:

We won and will play another day. Way to go guys, Go get em Royce!!

[gopanthers!]

I don't want to jinx anything, but the names I'm hearing are seriously big time, and would really help us out. I think our AD realizes that Men's Basketball HAS to get really good, because that's our flagship sport, and the only one that has any hope of making any money. I'm feeling confident that he's going to treat the search as the "make or break" of his tenure at ISU.

:bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue: :sycamores: :bounceblue:


C'mon....don't be such a tease! Tell us what you know!:bounceblue:

[ISUBob]

I am seriously not trying to be a jerk. I am just saying what an awful lot of people in the Valley and Gateway are thinking...

I really want the Sycs to succeed, but until I see the commitment and the attendance improve, I am just not sold...

I am seriously not trying to be a jerk? Just drop down from D-1 to D-3? What happened to D-2? Gosh, shall you make all the rules?

[redbirdtim]

How much is Waltman making and how much is InSU planning on paying? I'm guessing to get a bigger name coach on the market it will cost you $300-400K bare minimum. It might even need to be more like $600-700K to get someone with significant D1 experience. Can you afford it/how will you pay for it?