Who will MVC help win?

[Dawg_tired]

The more I watch the MVC, the more I think there's a master plan. Tom Davis has mentioned that Drake gets second tier officials for their home games. We've all had beefs with officiating. Now, the winner of a 6 o'clock game tonight plays SIU at 12 noon tomorrow. Putting either Drake or Evansville in a spot that will be very difficult because of recovery times. Drake has finished the season for the past four years on the road against the other team's senior night. Pretty hard to get a win in that emotion packed environment. Four years is more than a coincidence, it almost has to be a considered and planned thing.

So looking at the tournament, who will the MVC help win? Will it just coincidentally happen that a fourth place team wins the tourney to make it difficult on the selection committee?

[DawgieStyle]

The more I watch the MVC, the more I think there's a master plan. Tom Davis has mentioned that Drake gets second tier officials for their home games. We've all had beefs with officiating. Now, the winner of a 6 o'clock game tonight plays SIU at 12 noon tomorrow. Putting either Drake or Evansville in a spot that will be very difficult because of recovery times. Drake has finished the season for the past four years on the road against the other team's senior night. Pretty hard to get a win in that emotion packed environment. Four years is more than a coincidence, it almost has to be a considered and planned thing.

So looking at the tournament, who will the MVC help win? Will it just coincidentally happen that a fourth place team wins the tourney to make it difficult on the selection committee?

are you suggesting a conspiracy theory? good god.

[kyyle23]

are you suggesting a conspiracy theory? good god.

Ha, You sound surprised.

[Drakey]

Do you seriously think it is just by chance that the winner of the Drake-Evansville game plays the first game the following day?

[3ontheway]

No, it is not by chance. It is the way it should be IMO. The #1 seed earned the right to have (an advantage) throughout an 18 game schedule.

[JVShocker]

Conspiracy? In the Tourney? Nah.

I'll give you a conspiracy. How about WSU vs. Creighton on the Bluejay senior night. It's happened 3 out of the last 5 (or maybe even 4 out of the last 6.) Not that this year would have made a difference, we're just playing like dog food (which doesn't taste very well.) :valley:

[pbutler]

1/2 the teams in the conference play their last road game at an opponents Sr. Night.

If you don't want to play the #1 seed in the 1st game on Sat then don't finish 7th or 10th...simple as that.

[MSNSaluki]

1/2 the teams in the conference play their last road game at an opponents Sr. Night.

If you don't want to play the #1 seed in the 1st game on Sat then don't finish 7th or 10th...simple as that.


Or 8th or 9th, which is who really plays the No. 1 team in the quarters.:lol:

[IH8SIU]

Nevermind.

I hate snow.

[Nyghtewynd]

If you really want to know, all you have to do is go meet the Pentaverate at their secret meeting place--the Meadows--and ask the Gettys, the Rothschilds, and Colonial Sanders (before he went tits-up).

[XSaluki]

Bradley

[Dawg_tired]

You can call it what ever you like. I think year in and year out scheduling and officiating is done with purpose and that purpose is not to be fair. Four years in a row on playing away on seniors night is not coincidence. I don't have any problem playing the number 1 seed the next day. I have a problem being the first game of the day playing the number 1 seed. Why not play a night game? If the number 1 seed is so good, it shouldn't matter. You have to give them more advantage?

[UE-BBALL#1]

SIU winning the regular season so much helps the conspiracy theories. I don't know that anyone would argue that there is any team whom it is easier for the officials to make lose a game than SIU. Its quite simple. I expect the officiating in Friday's SIU/DU or UE game to be very loose, and suddenly on Saturday the refs will tighten up against the Salukis. Coincidence or conspiracy?

[meatballs]

http://www.nbeaujon.com/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[DawgieStyle]

You can call it what ever you like. I think year in and year out scheduling and officiating is done with purpose and that purpose is not to be fair. Four years in a row on playing away on seniors night is not coincidence. I don't have any problem playing the number 1 seed the next day. I have a problem being the first game of the day playing the number 1 seed. Why not play a night game? If the number 1 seed is so good, it shouldn't matter. You have to give them more advantage?


you're delusional.

[Dawg_tired]

You're the team that benefits. Obviously you would think I'm delusional. Were the shoe (or the fix) on the other foot, you'd have a different opinion.

[DawgieStyle]

there is no conspiracy, no secret plan for certain teams to win. NONE!

The tournament format has been like this for a while now from what I understand. The #1 seed should be given every advantage in who and when they play. That's the ultimate reward for winning the Regular season title, if it's not, then why have the regular season.

IMO the #1 seed still isn't given the ultimate advantage because they don't reseed the teams after the play in game. It is set up for The #1 seed to play the winner of the 8 V 9 game. What if 10 beats 7? Why shouldn't The #1 seed get to play the #10 seed? That doesn't happen, so quit complaining.

There is not a conspiracy theory either to ensure the valley gets as many bids as they can in the dance. The reason teams like Bradley, or SIU last year end up pulling the upset in St. Louis is because they have more to play for than the regular season champ or higher seeds. They play harder because they know if they don't win they're done.

I'm not saying the high seeds don't play hard, im saying teams playing for their NCAA lives have an extra gear and urgency that the other teams can't possibly understand. Thus upsets happen.

No one is out to get Drake, or Indiana State. Play better basketball during the regular season and you will be rewarded with seeding and playing time advantages in St. Louis. That's all there is to it.

[Drakey]

Just out of curiosity, how many games has SIU played on the road as their final game the last four years?

[DawgieStyle]

Just out of curiosity, how many games has SIU played on the road as their final game the last four years?

it doesn't matter, there 18 conf. games. 9 at home, 9 on the road. If you take care of business it shouldn't matter when you play them. Babies.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Drake's regular season finales over the past few years:

'07 @ MSU
'06 @ BU
'05 @ BU
'04 @ ILSU
'03 v BU
'02 @ CU
'01 @ BU
'00 @ ILSU
'99 @ UNI

Drake has played one regular season finale at home in the past 9 years, and that was in the year they were supposed to be good. It seems to me the MVC wants to help the upper-tier teams with a home finale against a lower-tier team to generate a little momentum going into the tournament.

[Khan4Cats]

I know UNI has played on the road for the last conference game 5 of the last 7 years. We had a home game this year, the other was in 03-04 when we had 17-0 SIU in the Dome. I don't think there's too much to complain about that way.

As for the lower seeds playing in the evening and then turning around. Yes, it's tough, but they are the lower seeds. The other option would be to play the play-in on Wednesday and give a day off. We could re-seed if we do that, but I don't know if the conference would go for extending the tournament. That still doesn't solve the problem of the teams that play Friday night having to come back and play Saturday afternoon.

As for someone other than a top seed winning, I agree with the others that say the 4-5-6 (even 3 and 2 in past years) have more to play for and often pull the upset. I would not be surprised at all if whomever wins the UNI-BU game would go on to knock off SIU (if they get past DU or UE, both of whom are capable of beating the Salukis, especially on a neutral court) for that very reason.

[DawgieStyle]

Drake's regular season finales over the past few years:

'07 @ MSU
'06 @ BU
'05 @ BU
'04 @ ILSU
'03 v BU
'02 @ CU
'01 @ BU
'00 @ ILSU
'99 @ UNI

Drake has played one regular season finale at home in the past 9 years, and that was in the year they were supposed to be good. It seems to me the MVC wants to help the upper-tier teams with a home finale against a lower-tier team to generate a little momentum going into the tournament.

and I was the gunman on the grassy knoll

[Dawg_tired]

SIU

07 Evansville@ carbondale
06UNI@ carbondale
05 Indy State @ Terre Haute

I couldn't find older schedules.

[Khan4Cats]

Drake's regular season finales over the past few years:

'07 @ MSU
'06 @ BU
'05 @ BU
'04 @ ILSU
'03 v BU
'02 @ CU
'01 @ BU
'00 @ ILSU
'99 @ UNI

Drake has played one regular season finale at home in the past 9 years, and that was in the year they were supposed to be good. It seems to me the MVC wants to help the upper-tier teams with a home finale against a lower-tier team to generate a little momentum going into the tournament.

I would agree that that seems a bit out of whack, I don't agree with the conspiracy part. We were favored to win the conference last year and we played our last game at SIU, great place to generate tourney momentum.

[Khan4Cats]

I'm going to stop now, I'm beginning to agree with DawgieStyle.:fear:

[DawgieStyle]

Elvis is still alive.

[DawgieStyle]

I'm going to stop now, I'm beginning to agree with DawgieStyle.:fear:

I sense the dark side in you....your hate will make you powerful....

[Dawg_tired]

Drake's regular season finales over the past few years:

'07 @ MSU
'06 @ BU
'05 @ BU
'04 @ ILSU
'03 v BU
'02 @ CU
'01 @ BU
'00 @ ILSU
'99 @ UNI

Drake has played one regular season finale at home in the past 9 years, and that was in the year they were supposed to be good. It seems to me the MVC wants to help the upper-tier teams with a home finale against a lower-tier team to generate a little momentum going into the tournament.

So, you see no trend here. Purely coincidence right? Statistically viable. Totally the luck of the draw. Yep. Got it. Do they teach statistics at public universities?

[DawgieStyle]

So, you see no trend here. Purely coincidence right? Statistically viable. Totally the luck of the draw. Yep. Got it. Do they teach statistics at public universities?

lol, I see the pattern, but it isn't done to give Drake a disadvantage. This is absolutely hysterical. Next you'll argue they're going to remove Drake from the league as their final act to keep Drake from becoming good. :lol:

again 9 home games, 9 away games. It shouldn't matter when you play, or for that matter where you play them if you're team is any good.

Absolutley hysterical. Next you'll say some how Drake actually has to play 10 road games and 8 home games in the valley, and that's really how they're sticking it to you.

[Dawg_tired]

No I just think we should finish at home 50% of the time. And what is it with this geeky star wars references?

[DawgieStyle]

No I just think we should finish at home 50% of the time. And what is it with this geeky star wars references?

I like star wars and im a geek.

[WSUbballer]

Whatever the "Sith Lord" says, goes..

[getreal4]

A wise older Valley fan told me that midmajor conferences don't operate like the BCS conferences. Referees, TV appearances, scheduling are all manuevered to better help the conference's national exposure. No equal playing field due to that need for exposure.

Its not really that big of a deal, we just need to suck it up, get better, then hopefully Drake can benefit!

[DawgieStyle]

Whatever the "Sith Lord" says, goes..

oh come on, put your dislike for me beside, and seriously, do you think there is a conspiracy to keep lower teams down....its a crock

[Dawg_tired]

I don't think grown men should be playing with Star Wars toys, yet they do.

[WSUbballer]

oh come on, put your dislike for me beside, and seriously, do you think there is a conspiracy to keep lower teams down....its a crock
I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think it is kind of odd though that Drake has played so many final games away from home in the past 10 years. Just a strange coincidence I guess. This conspiracy theory is about as dumb as some as the conspiracy theory brought up by mostly SIU fans this year that the Valley will do everything in it's power NOT to allow the #1 seed in the Valley tournament (in this case SIU) to win it and make room for more at-larges berths. Both pretty dumb.

But, I have to admit, and you would probably feel the same way, that finishing away from home 9 out of the last 10 years (or whatever it is) is a little bit unfair. Some teams lose or gain serious momentum for the Valley tournament based on if they win or lose that last game. A home game significantly helps the chance of a "W" IMO and thus a better chance at more momentum.. Strange coincidence I guess..

[WSUbballer]

I don't think grown men should be playing with Star Wars toys, yet they do.
:lol: My apologies to the Sith Lord, but that's pretty funny..

[DawgieStyle]

I don't think grown men should be playing with Star Wars toys, yet they do.

I don't own any toys, souveniers, memorbelia, etc. I only own the movies, and a couple novels. That's about it. That said, I really like the movies, but I wasn't one of those morons who sat out side and waited for tix for 3 weeks in the freezing cold when the pre-quels came out. They make fandango for a reason.

I also play video games...is that something grown men shouldn't do as well.

[DawgieStyle]

:lol: My apologies to the Sith Lord, but that's pretty funny..

maybe I should change my signature and valley talk status, I thought it was kind of fun....I guess not.

[Dawg_tired]

If you play Sims Perfect Wedding, I'd rather have you playing with Star Wars toys.

[DawgieStyle]

nah, my games of choice recently has been NCAA basketball 2k7, Halo 2, and Tiger woods PGA golf 2007.

[Brave2001]

Troll, Troll, Troll your boat.....

[Brave2001]

nah, my games of choice recently has been NCAA basketball 2k7, Halo 2, and Tiger woods PGA golf 2007.

What no Battlefield 2...oh that's right...you are a console gamer....bleh.

:lol:

[DawgieStyle]

Troll, Troll, Troll your boat.....

oh just the person I wanted to see.....


you think I like star wars a lot....check him out.....ask his pets names? or better yet, how many toys, novels, mouse pads, video games, models, etc. that are Star wars related......

VT meet the biggest starwars geek we have. Brave2001.

[Brave2001]

oh just the person I wanted to see.....


you think I like star wars a lot....check him out.....ask his pets names? or better yet, how many toys, novels, mouse pads, video games, models, etc. that are Star wars related......

VT meet the biggest starwars geek we have. Brave2001.

...and your point....

I'm not embarassed, I'm way past caring what other people think.

[WSUbballer]

nah, my games of choice recently has been NCAA basketball 2k7, Halo 2, and Tiger woods PGA golf 2007.

You got Live Dawgie?..

[DawgieStyle]

You got Live Dawgie?..

no, i never thought it was worth the money, well ok, its not that. I can't bring my self to spend 15 bucks a month when other things seem more important, i.e. trying to buy a house. As much as I want to its not gonna happen right now.

[Brave2001]

You got Live Dawgie?..

Oh great, another console gamer....

Let me know when you guys are done with the toys and want to play on the original game machine...we've had "Live" for over a decade.

JK

:lol:

Sorry to hijack the thread and change the subject....

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming

I present Jack Ruby.....

[WSUbballer]

no, i never thought it was worth the money, well ok, its not that. I can't bring my self to spend 15 bucks a month when other things seem more important, i.e. trying to buy a house. As much as I want to its not gonna happen right now.

It's actually only $50/year (around $4/month). But ah I understand.

[WSUbballer]

Oh great, another console gamer....

Let me know when you guys are done with the toys and want to play on the original game machine...we've had "Live" for over a decade.

JK

:lol:

Sorry to hijack the thread and change the subject....

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming

I present Jack Ruby.....

LOL.. I play the 360, but when it comes to computer games, nope, I just don't do it.

[gopanthers!]

IMO the #1 seed still isn't given the ultimate advantage because they don't reseed the teams after the play in game. It is set up for The #1 seed to play the winner of the 8 V 9 game. What if 10 beats 7? Why shouldn't The #1 seed get to play the #10 seed? That doesn't happen, so quit complaining.




I think you are way off base with this. Why do you think the games should be reseeded? It's not like the NCAA tournament is reseeded if there's an upset. The tournament is set up to give the advantages to better seeds, but after that it should be up to the play of the teams. Reseeding would take a lot away from the tournament that makes it fun. Besides, it shouldn't make a huge difference for the #1 seed to be playing the 8 or 9 seed, rather than the 10 seed. Either way the #1 is the clear favorite.

[DawgieStyle]

I think you are way off base with this. Why do you think the games should be reseeded? It's not like the NCAA tournament is reseeded if there's an upset. The tournament is set up to give the advantages to better seeds, but after that it should be up to the play of the teams. Reseeding would take a lot away from the tournament that makes it fun. Besides, it shouldn't make a huge difference for the #1 seed to be playing the 8 or 9 seed, rather than the 10 seed. Either way the #1 is the clear favorite.

are not the thursday games called the "play in" games? They are playing there way into the real arch madness....that starts on friday. Once they are in the real tourney, they should get reseeded.

Since the NCAA tourney doesn't have a play in round, just that stupid game they had to have, freaking dumb. They don't need to re-seed.

[Dawg_tired]

I didn't say anthing about reseeding.

[meatballs]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f249/mrmet24/jrubvalleycopy.jpg

[KnappDog17]

[QUOTE=DawgieStyle]


again 9 home games, 9 away games. It shouldn't matter when you play, or for that matter where you play them if you're team is any good.

QUOTE]

This may be the most ridiculous comment i have ever seen posted. Regardless of how good your team is, it is always a disadvantage to play on the road, and when you are playing on the road against a team when it is playing their last home game of the season its going to be a tough game to win.:bulldogs:

[dawg]

...and your point....

I'm not embarassed, I'm way past caring what other people think.

As long as you don't have an inflatable wookie in your dorm room to battle with your light saber ...

[Brave2001]

As long as you don't have an inflatable wookie in your dorm room to battle with your light saber ...

Dorm Room? I've been out of college for 6 years. Actually the one thing I don't own is a toy light saber. And no inflatable wookiees (note the spelling). I however was able to talk the Pepsi distributor into giving me the 6 foot all cut out of chewbacca from their promotion in 1997 (Also got a Vader from the 2005 promotion too).

My big collection is posters for the most part, not a lot of toys really. I've used my various star wars posters and collectibles to decorate my home theater. It feels like movie room with all the movie posters and stuff....actually looks pretty cool in my humble opinion.

Was that geeky enough for everyone?

[boardfan]

Mo ST or Bradley will win so the Valley gets 3 teams in the tourney. Maybe Bradly beats MO in final so MVC can try and squeeze in 4

[dawg]

Dorm Room? I've been out of college for 6 years. Actually the one thing I don't own is a toy light saber. And no inflatable wookiees (note the spelling). I however was able to talk the Pepsi distributor into giving me the 6 foot all cut out of chewbacca from their promotion in 1997 (Also got a Vader from the 2005 promotion too).

My big collection is posters for the most part, not a lot of toys really. I've used my various star wars posters and collectibles to decorate my home theater. It feels like movie room with all the movie posters and stuff....actually looks pretty cool in my humble opinion.

Was that geeky enough for everyone?

Now you are scaring me :) Yungin ... I actually saw the first 3 at the theaters.

[bleach]

My first MVC tourney in St Loius was in 1992, That year and every year since, the #1 seed has played the first game in the quarterfinals. If it is a conspiracy it's a longstanding one!

[redbirdtim]

How many times is this seen per day?

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DawgieStyle again."


:lol:

[chuckywang]

Four years in a row on playing away on seniors night is not coincidence.

Over half the teams in the league had to play a senior night on the road. That's nothing new.

If Drake had to play TWO senior nights on the road each of the last four seasons, then maybe you would have a point. But what you're saying here is not something unusual.

[troutangler]

Get on eBay, you can get an Xbox Live card cheap on there. Mine was $41, or $3.41 a month. Most games are much more fun on Live. A few of us from letsgobears just got done beating Rainbow Six Vegas tonight. Good times.

[DawgieStyle]

How many times is this seen per day?

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DawgieStyle again."


:lol:

what are you gonna give me a bad rep for stating a very logical opinion. I didn't say anything mean or maliscious in any of this......if I said you're team was bad, it's because it is, just the truth.

If I say something mean spirited, fine, kill my rep, but not because I don't think there is a conspiracy theory against Drake.

[gopanthers!]

what are you gonna give me a bad rep for stating a very logical opinion. I didn't say anything mean or maliscious in any of this......if I said you're team was bad, it's because it is, just the truth.

If I say something mean spirited, fine, kill my rep, but not because I don't think there is a conspiracy theory against Drake.


I'm pretty sure you only see that message when you give someone good reputation points. So you might want to thank him, rather than getting all defensive. :doh:

[Awesome]

The Yankees always play the Red Sox at the end of the season.

The A's always play the Angels the last weekend of the season.

Last year the Royals played the Tigers the final three games.

MLB must be trying to help Toronto, Texas and the White Sox.

[Dawg_tired]

Eight of nine seasons away from home at the end. How the intercourse is that fair?????

[Keita44]

Lets figure out the chance of this happening.
Mathematically, a team has a 50 percent chance of finishing on the road.

So, for 8 out of 9 years on the road, you take .5^9 (.5 to the 9th power) then multiply it by 9 Combination 8.

Resulting answer is about .01758, about 1.7% chance of it happening.

"Usual", which is often used to determine if the event will or won't happen, allows for answers between .05 (5%) to .95 (95%).

Even the odds say Drake is getting hosed.