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getreal4

03-03-2007, 07:59 AM

The first two rounds of the Valley tourney have helped the Valley's overall chances with no upsets. Now today we need the upset! Bradley beats SIU and its FOUR bids! Its time for the Saluki's to do their part :innocent:

:clap: :clap: :clap:

dawg

03-03-2007, 08:01 AM

Your moniker is fitting ...

Mikovio

03-03-2007, 08:30 AM

Only if the Braves beat MSU in the final....

bcrawf

03-03-2007, 09:46 AM

Bradley will have what 22 wins and an RPI in the 30s with a win today. BU win and they are in. The Valley is sending 4 again....

azbirdfan

03-03-2007, 09:51 AM

I read on another thread that BU has a 1-7 record versus the top 50 though. If that's true, they're not in yet and may have to win it all to get in.

saluki42

03-03-2007, 09:59 AM

two wins against SIU will likely get them in plus their Bracketbuster game and last year's run.

Keita44

03-03-2007, 11:15 AM

The refs should be helping BU this game, would be a better result for the valley overall. LOL

Go :braves:

jaypharmalum

03-03-2007, 11:18 AM

Only if the Braves beat MSU in the final....

This is probably accurate. Bradley was swept by both Creighton and MSU (and finished behind both in the league) so they are clearly 4th in the MVC pecking order. Even with a win today, I think they are on the outside looking in.

Tough spot for a fan - root for SIU and a high seed or for Bradley and a possible shot at an NCAA berth? As a CU fan, I'd love to see SIU again, but we have our own business to take care of today.

Should be a fun couple of games.

:jays:

Keita44

03-03-2007, 11:28 AM

If the Valley can get 4 in, then we will likely get as many as the Big 10. That would be an accomplishment.

shocker3

03-03-2007, 02:38 PM

Hopefully the committee will also look at the Jeremy Crouch factor.

BU was just 7-6 when their leading scorer, Jeremy Crouch was injured.

With Crouch in the line-up, they are 14-5.

I think BU should be in if they win today (they would have 2 wins against the #5 rpi team and a late season win at VCU- the CAA champs) and have a good shot even if they lose, but none of the national pundits seem to see it that way.
:valley:

bcrawf

03-03-2007, 02:42 PM

What baskeball person can watch this game right now and not think that:

a) BU is one of the best 65 teams in the country

b) The Valley is not one of the best 3 or 4 leagues in the country

shocker3

03-03-2007, 03:09 PM

What baskeball person can watch this game right now and not think that:

a) BU is one of the best 65 teams in the country

b) The Valley is not one of the best 3 or 4 leagues in the country

Billy Packer and Jim Nantz.:no:

:valley:

shocker3

03-03-2007, 04:04 PM

WOW! What a game!

If it had been on national TV, BU would probably be in. I don't see how any committee members after watching that game couldn't put them in.

Unfortunately, probably none of them saw the game.

:braves: :valley:

Keita44

03-03-2007, 04:08 PM

BU played an amazing game, as did SIU. Both teams played as well as possible and were about even. If SIU is going to be a 2,3, or 4 seed, then BU should at least be in the tourney.

Go :bulldogs:

chuckywang

03-03-2007, 04:15 PM

Now THAT was an NCAA caliber game.

shocker3

03-03-2007, 06:24 PM

Realtimerpi now has BU at 35 after the loss to SIU.

I would think that they would have to be given some consideration for an at large bid.:valley:

Hail Red & White

03-03-2007, 08:02 PM

To quote Supertramp, "dreamer, nothin' but a dreamer..."

I thought Bradley had to win the tournament to get in. I think the Braves will get some at-large consideration when the committee gets down to brass tacks in Indianapolis, but in the end, the numbers just won't add up for the Braves. Bradley went 1-5 against the top 3 teams in the league and that negates the fact that the Braves were the only team NOT to drop a game against the bottom 4 squads. The 1-8 record against top 50 teams is the worst among teams in the top 50. Their saving grace is a good non-conference SOS and the fact that they went 8-9 in road/neutral games. To my knowledge, Notre Dame only played one true non-conference road game (2 games in Indy for the pre-season NIT) which they won at Maryland. Maryland played a couple of games at MSG for the Coaches vs. Cancer Classic (I think), and if it weren't for the ACC-Big 10 Challenge where they HAD to go to Illinois, I don't think they would have played outside the friendly confines of the Comcast Center prior to conference play. I'm not saying Maryland and Notre Dame are bad teams. They have both played well enough to get into the field of 65. But, Bradley has done what the selection committee likes to see teams do and that's to take a chance and get into a neutral site tournament and play teams on the road who aren't in your conference (that's where the Bracket Buster can help our teams in terms of scheduling).

Two ironies: First, I thought Bradley played a better game against a better SIU team in St. Louis today than they did last year in the MVC finals. The nation got to see last year's ugly display. This year, only a small portion of the country got to see as tough a smash-mouth basketball game the Valley has become legendary for, and it was a tremendous game with an exciting finish. Second, one basketball analyst (I'm not sure who it was) said DePaul was quietly making a case for itself to become a bubble team and their win over Kansas was looking better and better. Nevermind that said Blue Demon victory by 20 over the Jayhawks came a mere two weeks after the Braves dusted DePaul in Peoria by 20! Seems like the Valley can't win for losing this year!

MoValley John

03-03-2007, 08:08 PM

To quote Supertramp, "dreamer, nothin' but a dreamer..."

While I think Bradley has a better shot at dancing than you, I have to admire any poster who can pull out a Supertramp reference!:clap: Now I just can't get the song out of my mind.

XSaluki

03-03-2007, 09:07 PM

I thought the games thus far were really good. Two big problems, it is on FSN and next week's fresh games will erase any memories of what happened this weekend. Wish we played ours next weekend.

Nyghtewynd

03-03-2007, 09:11 PM

I think after today's results, two bids are very likely. You can't put in Bradley over MSU (I think), and MSU absolutely killed themselves today. They may both be NIT #1 seeds.

MoValley John

03-03-2007, 09:42 PM

I think after today's results, two bids are very likely. You can't put in Bradley over MSU (I think), and MSU absolutely killed themselves today. They may both be NIT #1 seeds.

The respective RPI's puts both of them in, but we all know what that's worth. My gut says the Valley gets 3. As an observer, I think Hinson is a much better coach than many MSU fans give him credit, I just wonder what this board will look like if Bradley squeeks in and MSU goes to the NIT. While I would be disappointed for the Valley and MSU, the board would be a very exciting read!

bcrawf

03-03-2007, 10:26 PM

I agree. I think you guys give Barry a raw deal. He does a nice job. To be brutally honest outside of Ahearn there is not a ton of talent on this team...

Bradleyfan

03-03-2007, 10:30 PM

I agree. I think you guys give Barry a raw deal. He does a nice job. To be brutally honest outside of Ahearn there is not a ton of talent on this team...

Ditto from me. It's ashame to see the flack this guy receives. It was not his fault that Missouri St got hosed from the tournament last year.

You think Evansville and Indiana St would love to have him on their team today? I think so!

tennis08tarheels

03-03-2007, 10:30 PM

I agree. I think you guys give Barry a raw deal. He does a nice job. To be brutally honest outside of Ahearn there is not a ton of talent on this team...

Exactly. It's a bunch of kids who haven't gotten better since they graduated from high school. I wonder why?

bcrawf

03-03-2007, 10:32 PM

Barry Hinson = Steve Alford. If he wins, its never because he did anything right. If he loses, its because he did everything wrong...

Bradleyfan

03-03-2007, 10:33 PM

Billy Packer and Jim Nantz.:no:

:valley:

Okay, what baskeball person other than Billy Packer and Jim Nantz can watch this game right now and not think that:

a) BU is one of the best 65 teams in the country

b) The Valley is not one of the best 3 or 4 leagues in the country

:grin:

Bradleyfan

03-03-2007, 10:34 PM

Exactly. It's a bunch of kids who haven't gotten better since they graduated from high school. I wonder why?

That's nonsense! They're in the NCAA hunt every year! How much more do you want the poor guy to do? :no:

Bradleyfan

03-03-2007, 10:43 PM

I think after today's results, two bids are very likely. You can't put in Bradley over MSU (I think), and MSU absolutely killed themselves today. They may both be NIT #1 seeds.

Well, MSU is still NCAA worthy based on their sweeps of Bradley and Creighton, and a win at Wisconsin. They should be fine.

tennis08tarheels

03-03-2007, 10:44 PM

Well, MSU is still NCAA worthy based on their sweeps of Bradley and Creighton, and a win at Wisconsin. They should be fine.

MSU got swept by Creighton.

Bradleyfan

03-03-2007, 10:52 PM

MSU got swept by Creighton.

Oops! My bad! You're right!

Still, MSU gets in. 12-6 in a top five conference, one win in the Valley tournament and the win at Wisconsin will do it for them.

tennis08tarheels

03-03-2007, 10:53 PM

Oops! My bad! You're right!

Still, MSU gets in. 12-6 in a top five conference, one win in the Valley tournament and the win at Wisconsin will do it for them.

True, I think they should undoubtedly be in.

smsandmsuson

03-03-2007, 10:58 PM

To be brutally honest outside of Ahearn there is not a ton of talent on this team...

Deven freakin Mitchell.

If he is not on the all tournament team it will be a crying shame. He single handling put us past WSU and he and Ahearn kept us within CU for a while. I know both wont make it but one of them should, more Deven then Blake

bcrawf

03-03-2007, 11:01 PM

smsandmsuson

03-03-2007, 11:09 PM

With Mitchell I see a guy who works his tail off but doesn't have a ton of natual ability. I think you can say that about a lot of guys that play for MSU: Bilyeu, Mitchell, Richards, the Laurie Brothers....

Ahearn is the only one that you can say has a ton of natural ability... IMO...

You are entitled to your opinion and I will respect that. But, I dont see how you can say a guy who can still jump out of the roof on a bad knee, who has quick hands that kill on the defense end of the ball, not to mention fast and quick and because of the injury has added a jump shot to 20-21 feet does not have natural ablity. Again, yes the jumper was added and did not come natural but the hops and quicks have been there since his high school days and I can bet if he had the jumper out of HS, he would have possibly gone bigger then MSU.

bcrawf

03-03-2007, 11:13 PM

You know what?? Your right the guy can LEAP...

Say you guys get into the dance (which I am positive you will). What kind of run does it take for the MSU fan base as a whole to accept Barry...

tennis08tarheels

03-03-2007, 11:21 PM

smsandmsuson

03-03-2007, 11:24 PM

You know what?? Your right the guy can LEAP...

Say you guys get into the dance (which I am positive you will). What kind of run does it take for the MSU fan base as a whole to accept Barry...

Im not sure. This one mans opinion. If we make it, I would let him finish is contract, which I believe is two years after this year, and see if he can do it again. If he cant, let him go. If he does, which I believe we can with the three that we have coming in next year and with the ones that we return, then renew it and let him stay. 8 years is a long, long time. SIU, CU, UNI, and WSU anymore would not put up with 8 years like we have. Not sure why we did to begin with but that is another story probably for another time.

bcrawf

03-03-2007, 11:28 PM

smsandmsuson

03-03-2007, 11:38 PM

That seems fair.

Do you think that Barry was ready when he made the jump from Oral Roberts (right??)?? It seems a lot like the complaints that Iowa fans have about Alford. You have kind of given him "on the job training" and now that you've been through this, it would be awfully hard to replace him and throw that training away...

That is what I mentioned to my father this evening. Saying that he did not prove him self at ORU and we jumped at the first person who wanted to come here after Peterson blew. Alford had one good year here and Iowa thought that that was enough, but you are right, he really didnt anything here either and I guess that that has gotten him in soem trouble in Iowa.

Nyghtewynd

03-04-2007, 01:53 AM

1. Of course everyone else in this conference loves Bozo. As long as he's here, they don't have to worry about MSU winning a conference title or taking an NCAA bid. But he's a *great* guy.
2. That's funny. We've been told for eight years how good of a recruiter Bozo is, and yet "the team doesn't have any natural talent". It's one or the other, not both. This team doesn't have a talent problem.
3. There was one goal this year--the NCAA tournament. However, in darn near EVERY SINGLE OBJECTIVE CATEGORY, this team is worse than last year with exactly the same team. What's going to happen next year with three senior starters gone, much of the scoring gone, and nothing much beyond Mitchell and Richards (who still hasn't convinced me of much), and THEN add in Bozo blowing games. .500? Worse?