Schlabach: Two Bids for MVC

[Nyghtewynd]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/champweek2007/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=2787096

But that Hinson is *such* a great guy. Just swell.

[shocker3]

Unfortunately many of the talking heads were saying the same thing on TV and on the net tonight.

It is amazing how litttle respect the Valley is getting after our good showing in the dance last year and our big wins in the non-con this year.

:valley:

[BMull10]

It's funny because a lot of the people who are saying MSU isn't in now, are the same ones who said one win in St. Louis and they're in. MSU should be in, period, but if I were a Bears fan, I certainly wouldn't be comfortable at the moment.

[MVC Fan]

These TV knobs/pundits are fools when it comes to all the in-or-out business. Literally fools. I only hope the selection committee doesn't listen to them.

[Canevision]

It's funny because a lot of the people who are saying MSU isn't in now, are the same ones who said one win in St. Louis and they're in. MSU should be in, period, but if I were a Bears fan, I certainly wouldn't be comfortable at the moment.

We're done. Bottom line, we shot our selves in the foot by not winning close games in January.

No one to blame but ourselves.

[Nyghtewynd]

We're done. Bottom line, we shot our selves in the foot by not winning close games in January.

No one to blame but ourselves.

That's funny. I can think of a couple of people to blame. Hopefully they receive the consequences for their incompetence.

[smsandmsuson]

Good lord guys, relax. The season is not made up on one game. Yes it was a pathetic showing but thats why we play 28-30 games a year. 22 others went our way and we have done almost all that was asked of us. There should not be a problem in a week. FYI: I was not one who called for 5 last year and I do not want the people bashing the Bears now to be jumping on the bandwagon again next week. You guys are pathetic.

[Canevision]

That's funny. I can think of a couple of people to blame. Hopefully they receive the consequences for their incompetence.

I, personally, would lump the head coach into a statement of "ourselves" when referring to the team.

It's time Barry, do the right thing and resign the day after the NIT.

[Canevision]

Good lord guys, relax. The season is not made up on one game. Yes it was a pathetic showing but thats why we play 28-30 games a year. 22 others went our way and we have done almost all that was asked of us. There should not be a problem in a week. FYI: I was not one who called for 5 last year and I do not want the people bashing the Bears now to be jumping on the bandwagon again next week. You guys are pathetic.

Call them as I see them. No reason to label someone pathetic for having a different opinion that you.

[Nyghtewynd]

Forget Hinson. I want Bill Rowe gone. The inability to even bother bringing a full cheerleading squad and dance team to the conference tournament is flat-out disgusting. He's simply too old and too entrenched to have success at the level that MSU should strive to reach. If we're going to get a new AD or a new coach, I suggest an old chestnut from the hippie days: never trust anyone over 40.

[smsandmsuson]

Call them as I see them. No reason to label someone pathetic for having a different opinion that you.

It wasnt soley at you but our fanbase. I dont know if you post over at our message board but its getting rather old. We win, Praise Barry. We lose, Fire Barry. Im just asking to pick a side and to sitck with it. I want Barry gone as much as the next but I will continue to stand behind this team even if he is still here. Its not just the HC and its not just the players. That it why it is a team. Barry has not done anything this year to cause us to be left out and the players have not either. They, as a group, will be Dancing on Sunday.

[Nyghtewynd]

Barry has not done anything this year to cause us to be left out and the players have not either. They, as a group, will be Dancing on Sunday.

Um...did you watch the Winthrop game? The game yesterday? Either of the other two Creighton games?

I hope they get in as well, but if they do it's going to most likely be because the Committee feels sorry for last year and not because they deserve it. The numbers pretty much make that clear.

[smsandmsuson]

Um...did you watch the Winthrop game? The game yesterday? Either of the other two Creighton games?

I hope they get in as well, but if they do it's going to most likely be because the Committee feels sorry for last year and not because they deserve it. The numbers pretty much make that clear.

They got beat by the better team. Simple as that. There is nothing wrong with that. The only ones I have problems with at the @CU, @SLU, and @UE. But sometimes the ball doesnt bounce our way.

Then you want a tournament of about 45 teams then? The numbers for the other bubble teams are not better then MSU's! Take a look. Purdues, Ga Tech, FSU, KSU, any of them, and they do not have better numbers the Bears. They compared KSU and MSU last night and the Bears had the Wildcats beat in almost every number.

[alphacard]

I certainly hope to see more than two teams in. Some of the same experts are calling for 8 from the Big East which would be a criminal act, anything after 5 is silly this year. Some of our mainline teams arent that great, mainly Pitt. Hopefully the idiots are wrong and three more spots get open.

[HollywoodBrave]

No way the Big East doesn't get 7 teams (8 if Providence or West Virginia make runs).

Georgetown, Pitt, Louisville, Notre Dame, Marquette, Villanova and Syracuse are going to get in. Heck, look at Villanova's numbers.

[smsandmsuson]

No way the Big East doesn't get 7 teams (8 if Providence or West Virginia make runs).

Georgetown, Pitt, Louisville, Notre Dame, Marquette, Villanova and Syracuse are going to get in. Heck, look at Villanova's numbers.

Im alright with seven. Hopefully all talks of Providence will stop after that terrible loss to St Johns today. WVU should be dealt with quickly in the Big East tourney.

[Bradleyfan]

It wasnt soley at you but our fanbase. I dont know if you post over at our message board but its getting rather old. We win, Praise Barry. We lose, Fire Barry. Im just asking to pick a side and to sitck with it. I want Barry gone as much as the next but I will continue to stand behind this team even if he is still here. Its not just the HC and its not just the players. That it why it is a team. Barry has not done anything this year to cause us to be left out and the players have not either. They, as a group, will be Dancing on Sunday.

I'm curious. Why would you want him gone if he makes the tournament this year???

:braves: :valley:

[Bradleyfan]

It's funny because a lot of the people who are saying MSU isn't in now, are the same ones who said one win in St. Louis and they're in. MSU should be in, period, but if I were a Bears fan, I certainly wouldn't be comfortable at the moment.

You hit that on the head BMull! I never even heard of this Schlaback person. Who the heck is he?!

[BearsCountry]

Forget Hinson. I want Bill Rowe gone. The inability to even bother bringing a full cheerleading squad and dance team to the conference tournament is flat-out disgusting. He's simply too old and too entrenched to have success at the level that MSU should strive to reach. If we're going to get a new AD or a new coach, I suggest an old chestnut from the hippie days: never trust anyone over 40.

Cheerleaders were split up bc of the girls bb game at Hammons.

[Bradleyfan]

We're done. Bottom line, we shot our selves in the foot by not winning close games in January.

No one to blame but ourselves.

I'm sorry, but that's a poor attitude for your guys to be taking! It was not Hinson's fault that they got hosed out of a bid last year, and the selections haven't even come out this year! You know perfectly well that the Valley is deserving of three or four bids, and that you should not be listening to these hacks that call themselves "experts" saying the Valley is only deserving of two bids.

I don't know about you, but I'd be happy to have Hinson come back if my team was dancing with him as the coach! Just relax and enjoy the ride. It will be a fun week of debate as to see who will be in and who won't.

:valley:

[MSNSaluki]

I'd love to see the Valley get 3-4 bids but when you are on the bubble, you have to play your way into the field.

Missouri State didn't look like a team fighting for an at-large bid in the semis against Creighton. Still, I think the Bears could get in.

Bradley really needed to beat SIU because it perfected the win 1/lose 1 performance every week the second half of the Valley season.

It's gonna be a long week for Mo. State and Bradley.

[smsandmsuson]

I'm curious. Why would you want him gone if he makes the tournament this year???

:braves: :valley:

Going once in eight years. Yes we got hosed twice but it is once in eight years how ever you look at it. Would you keep a coach around along enough so that he could earn his first bid to the Dance in his eighth year?

[bleach]

Going once in eight years. Yes we got hosed twice but it is once in eight years how ever you look at it. Would you keep a coach around along enough so that he could earn his first bid to the Dance in his eighth year?I agree that losing Barry is what is needed, but if you fire a coach with his record and an NCAA berth you will not have coaches lined up to take that job. The thought will be...What would I have to do? One berth and two hose jobs in 8 years would look like it should have been an aceptable job to most coaches and in fact probably should be. I do feel the frustration over what should've been though and the blame is mostly to be laid at Barrys feet.

[Khan4Cats]

I still see the Bears as in the same situation as UNI last year. They got one win in the Valley tourney, lost to the tourney champs in the Semis. A solid resume, with one huge win on the resume (see UNI vs LSU last year).

I would also hope that the committee takes into account the injury to Crouch in the case of Bradley. Of course, if we were a BcS league, every pundit would be spouting that line and there would be little argument of their worthiness. We'll have to see.

:bears: :braves: :valley:

[smsandmsuson]

I agree that losing Barry is what is needed, but if you fire a coach with his record and an NCAA berth you will not have coaches lined up to take that job. The thought will be...What would I have to do? One berth and two hose jobs in 8 years would look like it should have been an aceptable job to most coaches and in fact probably should be. I do feel the frustration over what should've been though and the blame is mostly to be laid at Barrys feet.

See my second to last post on the second page...

http://valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=3988&page=2

[Nyghtewynd]

Cheerleaders were split up bc of the girls bb game at Hammons.

Doesn't matter. Absolutely inexcusable. No one's going to miss the cheerleaders at the women's game, but running out half of a squad at the conference tourney in front of 22K+ fans looked absolutely bush league. It confirms the fact that Rowe has absolutely no clue what's going on.

That being said, I'd give Hinson a short extension if he gets to the NCAA tournament. That was the one and only goal--to get in the tourney. That doesn't change the fact that I don't think he's a good coach, but if there's one goal and it's met, you get a reward for that.

[JVShocker]

I, too, think the Valley only gets 2. I would love to see 3, even 4. I think Bradley is playing better than MSU, FWIW.

Of course, I thought the Shocks were not bad enough to get swept by MSU this year, and it happened anyway. Do yourself a favor (Jim Les and Barry Hinson)...if they ask to bring cameras to your school for the selection show, HANG UP!:valley:

[Nyghtewynd]

Oh, Hinson will let them in. He can't coach, but he's great at publicity. He has everyone else in the country snowed. I'm still convinced that MSU won't have to fire him because he'll get hired somewhere else first.

[BradleyBrave]

I'd love to see the Valley get 3-4 bids but when you are on the bubble, you have to play your way into the field.

Missouri State didn't look like a team fighting for an at-large bid in the semis against Creighton. Still, I think the Bears could get in.

Bradley really needed to beat SIU because it perfected the win 1/lose 1 performance every week the second half of the Valley season.

It's gonna be a long week for Mo. State and Bradley.

I don't see any way BU gets in. The numbers say we should be strongly considered (if you look at it blindly), but as a fan I am not sure we are a tournament team. We blew a golden opportunity at home against UNI a few weeks ago, and lost a game that we probably should have won in the conference tournament (albeit to one of the nation's top teams). Had BU beaten UNI at home and lost to SIU yesterday, I would say 22-11 with our resume and JC's injury SHOULD be enough. But I just don't see the committee giving BU more than a glance.

FWIW, yesterday was about as painful as it gets.