MSU News-Conference at 3:30 CT

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http://www.springfieldnewsleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070316/BREAKING01/70316019

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Bump...

We'll keep you guys updated.

[Nyghtewynd]

I have to guess that he's staying. Nietzel was said to be waiting until next week to make a decision. The only reason you'd do it right now and change your mind is (a) you've decided to re-sign him and want to stop the debate (which makes sense), or (b) you're making a coaching change because you know who you want and he's coming available right about now.

[yeager]

Merfeld is available right now...maybe they have something for short people.

[farmboy]

My money is on him coming back...

[gosmsgo]

anyone know where I can listen?

[WSUbballer]

Anything cookin' in Springfield yet?

[gosmsgo]

crap we are 8 minutes in.

we should know something by now!!!!!!!

[Nyghtewynd]

KOLR 10: Hinson stays.

No announcement on contract extension as of this time. No one's streaming the presser. I'm getting this second-hand from a friend in Springfield.

[gosmsgo]

Let me speak for all bear fans when I say::::

Barry,

You are obviously getting this 9th chance because of money. If Missouri State could afford to fire you they would.

Do the right thing and quit.

-gosmsgo

[gosmsgo]

can anyone confirm.

nyght - are you sure?

I have some work I have to do but I am glued to my computer panting like a dog.

[Nyghtewynd]

Yep...I had a friend call me and tell me that that's what is running in a crawl at the bottom of KOLR 10 right now. Like I said, I'm still trying to find out more right now.

[gosmsgo]

its true. :fear: :fear: :shutup: :ranting: :ranting: :no: :no: :helpsmilie: :helpsmilie: :helpsmilie: :helpsmilie: :helpsmilie: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:

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way to tease me.

[Nyghtewynd]

This still isn't the whole story. If they didn't extend his contract, they certainly succeeded in doing the dumbest possible thing they could have done, which is par for the course in the Bill Rowe era. It would have made more sense to put Hinson in a chicken costume and have donors throw eggs at him rather than leave him to twist in the wind.

[Nyghtewynd]

http://www.news.missouristate.edu/releases/35380.htm

There ya go. No contract extension, no change, and they're keeping him because of his high RPI, his W/L percentage, and his moral fibre.

MSU has officially done the dumbest possible thing they could have done, and I'm not surprised. They obviously chose not to fire him...fine. But now they've ensured that we're going to do the whole thing next year at about this time. Let me give you a tip, kids...MSU isn't going to be good next year unless you're not going be allowed to score over 50 points in a game without getting disqualified. No coach in the world could get this team to score points...it's Richards (who shows up about 50% of the time), Mitchell (who will learn the joys of the triple team next year) and a cast of thousands. Hinson isn't going to be able to magically create two guys who average 30+ ppg. No coach can do that. So instead we're going to be doing the hire/fire thing, only with a much less attractive program. Greeaaaaaat.

At least I know where they stand now. Their goal isn't to win conference championships or get to the NCAA tournament. It's to win more games than they lose and have a decent RPI. At least everyone knows now. You officially can't complain at MSU about not getting to the tourney or winning titles, because those aren't the stated goals. If you want to expect those things, find other schools to follow.

[BeeLine]

People need to seperate out two issues; one is the disappointment over a coaching change not happening, and the other is the actual talent remaining on this team. If you want an accurate read on the later, you'd do well to listen to people like TNMSUFAN, who probably has spent more time watching most of the kids on the current team and those coming in play in both HS and AAU basketball than anyone else not directly connected with the team. And he's hardly a koolaid guy, as he was a very vocal advocate of a coaching change being made and critical of alot of Barry's game decisions and coaching.
Reality is, that the players we have redshirting and the ones coming in are for the most part bigger and/or better athletes than those we've lost, have better overall basketball skills , and other than experience, will give us a chance to be better than we've been the last couple years. No criticism meant to Blake/Nate/Tyler they had very nice careers, but the guys coming in are just potentialy better . Statistically we're looking at 35 pts and 13 rbs between them; honestly that's not alot to make up when you're looking at improvement among your returnees and contributions of newcomers.
Jehle is a little bigger and much more skilled offensively than Nate was, and we also add Cline at the 4 spot , a very good prospect with better size than both. Depending on a juco addition , we will probabaly see Deven return to the 3 spot , and we still have Lamberth backing both spots. People forget that Kyle Kirk was a higher rated recruit than any of the guys leaving was coming in; at the least he gives us a very strong, athletic, and versatile 6'5" body to immediately take most of Chaney's minutes. If he doesn't, it will be because we've brought a juco 2 guard in and he and Deven are eating up the 2/3 minutes. We have a legitimate challenger for Spencer Laurie at the point in Lamont Austin, the kind of quickness we lacked this year at any of the guard spots.
I could go on, but the point is, take whatever side on the Barry issue you want, and project that to limit our potential for success just as it has in the past few seasons. That's a legitimate viewpoint; but don't think the cubbard is bare and we will immediately have lower level Valley talent. If anything I see an upgrade in overall talent even w/o the last couple of pending additions. And while we lose great experience, consider that Spencer/Deven/ Lamberth will be 5th year seniors, Drew a 4th year sr/ Shane Laurie a 3 rd year JR, and both Jehle and Kirk will be 2nd year frosh. In the game against SDST, Deven and Drew were by far our two best players, and Deven has been most of the year. And Austin/Weems/Brock/ Cline along with a juco contributor compares pretty favorably to what was Frazier/Ahearn/Chaney/ Bilyeu/ Mitchell 4 years ago.
I wish we had made a move so that the Bear Nation of fans wouldn't go into another season with such divided loyalties and pessimistic views about our leadership. but I like our players and talent.

[Mc Bulldog]

Ned Reynolds is a trip. :lol: :bears:

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Good move by the administration at MSU.

[IndyTreeFan]

I think this was a good move by your administration, but I have to question the thinking behind bringing Coach Hinson to a public "bit-- slap" that seemed designed to embarass him into winning more games. I guess I buy into the old saying, "Praise in public, reprimand in private." There is nothing in that press conference that couldn't be handled by a simple press release, and it seems that the whole thing was kinda cheesy.

But, then again, what do I know???

[PinhookDave]

"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad thanks you for your purchase of oil and your lazy american habit of driving excessively. He wants you to know that your money is going to good use like funding the north korean nuclear program, sending insurgents into iraq to kill Americans, funding taliban fighters and sending money to al queada."


Please , You American Devils buy more SUV's

MoSt President " We are pleased with the high level of mediocrity that Barry Hinson brings to the MoSt athletic program. Fewer head coaches in this country miss the dance after 2 years of having RPI's below 40.

No coach in America can boast delivering Less with More than Coach Barry Hinson. Barry brings more meaning to the term "choke". It is important that our young people learn the importance of "choke" in our society. We failed at "choking" in our quest for "putting a man on the moon" and our generation was denied the opportunity to experience not only failure, defeat, or the ability to accept mediocrity. Barry IS a leader in, mediocrity and in knowing "how to choke".

Choking is a talent that has to be embedded in our young people, so that they know how to accept defeat. Defeat is something that this country needs to learn how to do so that we can become ranked number 4 or 5 in the world. So this University is going to keep this fine likeable coach.

We will not require him to cook-up 5000 BBQ chickens before each game.


Vision of Want Ad:

Midwestern City located in a temperate part of Missouri looking for a Division 1 School that wants to have a REAL Post season experience for it's players.

Pay ain't too bad fer area. Research on results by Bill "Jinx" Thomas, Charlie Spoonhour. and even Steve Alford, will give applicant University so idea what we are after. New place that has 12,500 seat-back chairs available to play in. Coach cannot be a coach that is always "1 Game" short of getting it done.

Thor and Odin (not Greg Oden) would say "Nuff Said"

[PinhookDave]

People need to seperate out two issues; one is the disappointment over a coaching change not happening, and the other is the actual talent remaining on this team. If you want an accurate read on the later, you'd do well to listen to people like TNMSUFAN, who probably has spent more time watching most of the kids on the current team and those coming in play in both HS and AAU basketball than anyone else not directly connected with the team. And he's hardly a koolaid guy, as he was a very vocal advocate of a coaching change being made and critical of alot of Barry's game decisions and coaching.
Reality is, that the players we have redshirting and the ones coming in are for the most part bigger and/or better athletes than those we've lost, have better overall basketball skills , and other than experience, will give us a chance to be better than we've been the last couple years. No criticism meant to Blake/Nate/Tyler they had very nice careers, but the guys coming in are just potentialy better . Statistically we're looking at 35 pts and 13 rbs between them; honestly that's not alot to make up when you're looking at improvement among your returnees and contributions of newcomers.
Jehle is a little bigger and much more skilled offensively than Nate was, and we also add Cline at the 4 spot , a very good prospect with better size than both. Depending on a juco addition , we will probabaly see Deven return to the 3 spot , and we still have Lamberth backing both spots. People forget that Kyle Kirk was a higher rated recruit than any of the guys leaving was coming in; at the least he gives us a very strong, athletic, and versatile 6'5" body to immediately take most of Chaney's minutes. If he doesn't, it will be because we've brought a juco 2 guard in and he and Deven are eating up the 2/3 minutes. We have a legitimate challenger for Spencer Laurie at the point in Lamont Austin, the kind of quickness we lacked this year at any of the guard spots.
I could go on, but the point is, take whatever side on the Barry issue you want, and project that to limit our potential for success just as it has in the past few seasons. That's a legitimate viewpoint; but don't think the cubbard is bare and we will immediately have lower level Valley talent. If anything I see an upgrade in overall talent even w/o the last couple of pending additions. And while we lose great experience, consider that Spencer/Deven/ Lamberth will be 5th year seniors, Drew a 4th year sr/ Shane Laurie a 3 rd year JR, and both Jehle and Kirk will be 2nd year frosh. In the game against SDST, Deven and Drew were by far our two best players, and Deven has been most of the year. And Austin/Weems/Brock/ Cline along with a juco contributor compares pretty favorably to what was Frazier/Ahearn/Chaney/ Bilyeu/ Mitchell 4 years ago.
I wish we had made a move so that the Bear Nation of fans wouldn't go into another season with such divided loyalties and pessimistic views about our leadership. but I like our players and talent.

Will any of what you said mean anything as long as "Chicken Barry" is running the show ?

[BeeLine]

Hey, once a decision is made, what else is there to do but get behind the kids and team. It's not their fault and I'm a Bear and Missouri State fan. I refuse to spend the next twelve months moaning about something that won't be reviewed again till then. I'd rather talk about the players and what the potential for them as a team holds. I understand those who are upset and angry, and it's fine if that's what they want to hold on to and talk about for the next year. It just gets hard to discuss Bear basketball if that dominates everything. But I'm pretty resigned to the fact it will, but I look for pockets of opportunity to talk about things like recruiting and lineups and schedules before the thread disintegrates.

[PinhookDave]

Let me speak for all bear fans when I say::::

Barry,

You are obviously getting this 9th chance because of money. If Missouri State could afford to fire you they would.

Do the right thing and quit.

-gosmsgo

I vaguely remember when he was signed that there extended nego's about buy out clauses. He must have had an iron clad beleif at that time that he had inferior skills and excelled at mediocrity.

[troutangler]

Hey, once a decision is made, what else is there to do but get behind the kids and team. It's not their fault and I'm a Bear and Missouri State fan. I refuse to spend the next twelve months moaning about something that won't be reviewed again till then. I'd rather talk about the players and what the potential for them as a team holds. I understand those who are upset and angry, and it's fine if that's what they want to hold on to and talk about for the next year. It just gets hard to discuss Bear basketball if that dominates everything. But I'm pretty resigned to the fact it will, but I look for pockets of opportunity to talk about things like recruiting and lineups and schedules before the thread disintegrates.

Keep getting disappointed every year. I've chosen to root for a real team and university that accepts nothing but the best. When they do the right thing and fire the joke that is Barry Hinson, I might come back.

Gooooo....!!!!
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[Nyghtewynd]

You're dead to me.

[Aargh]

A presser to announce Barry isn't getting canned and isn't getting an extension?

Might as well call a presser to announce MSU won't be pursuing any true D1 recruits next year.

[Fraydog]

Somebody tell me what the point of this presser was...

Way to aim high MSU. Really, if that was what you were going to do, you should have just went ahead and cut Barry loose.

[troutangler]

Somebody tell me what the point of this presser was...

Way to aim high MSU. Really, if that was what you were going to do, you should have just went ahead and cut Barry loose.

The people running MSU aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier sometimes, especially when it comes to athletics. They severely lack vision and a desire for progress.

Some people are saying this was an unspoken ultimatum and that Barry has one year to make the tournament or he's going to have his one year left bought out. I am not convinced they'll ever fire him unless he has about three losing seasons in a row, which won't happen since he and Oats Bus Rowe put together a non-conference schedule full of cream puffs.

[smsandmsuson]

The people running MSU aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier sometimes, especially when it comes to athletics. They severely lack vision and a desire for progress.

Some people are saying this was an unspoken ultimatum and that Barry has one year to make the tournament or he's going to have his one year left bought out. I am not convinced they'll ever fire him unless he has about three losing seasons in a row, which won't happen since he and Oats Bus Rowe put together a non-conference schedule full of cream puffs.

Trout, if you dont mind, Im jumping on board with you. Ive been looking around for a new team to call mine and SIU looks perfect. I thought about T A&M-CC too or Western Kentucky(football ties in there too).

[diggerhugstrees]

Somebody tell me what the point of this presser was...

Way to aim high MSU. Really, if that was what you were going to do, you should have just went ahead and cut Barry loose.

They decided to do this because barry was a finalist for the evansville job, and obviously didnt get it, so now he stays.

[troutangler]

Trout, if you dont mind, Im jumping on board with you. Ive been looking around for a new team to call mine and SIU looks perfect. I thought about T A&M-CC too or Western Kentucky(football ties in there too).

Come on board. You may take some flack, but it'll be well worth it when you can cheer for a team that makes its 7th straight NCAA tournament next year, while your old school has a bad BBQ cooking, used car salesman, YMCA coach running the show next year.

[Nyghtewynd]

Better to lose as a Bear for a thousand years than to *ever* be an Ugly Dawg.

[nigelmcgoo]

Keep getting disappointed every year. I've chosen to root for a real team and university that accepts nothing but the best. When they do the right thing and fire the joke that is Barry Hinson, I might come back.

Gooooo....!!!!
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Well I'm not going to become a Salukis fan but I have to say I'm jealous of their success. They make the tournament year in and year out. The NIT has to be unacceptable! Why is our university satisfied with a middle of the pack finish every year? It drives me insane!

[troutangler]

Well I'm not going to become a Salukis fan but I have to say I'm jealous of their success. They make the tournament year in and year out. The NIT has to be unacceptable! Why is our university satisfied with a middle of the pack finish every year? It drives me insane!

My post was made in an emotional rant. (Althouth I am still PISSED that the MSU administration is spineless) I haven't truly switched MVC teams, but I do have a lot of respect for what SIU has done. I used to poke fun at them quite a bit, but I won't anymore. I can only wish our people in charge would get a clue so we can make one NCAA tournament, much less six in a row.