SIU and KU thread

[MetDrakeFan]

Over on the message board, KU fans have the Jayhawks winning by an avg of 16.6 pts with five posters posting their opinion.

I htink the Dogs have a good chance at this one, but Kansas has guards like we haven't seen this year. Of course, it's pretty much the same guards that Bradley played against last year, and we all know how that ended up!

Still, Mullins and Tatum hafta watch out for Chalmers, he's a stealing machine, and distributes the ball well. His arms are really long and quick.

[tennis08tarheels]

Please change the title to "SIU and Florida thread," or "SIU and Georgetown thread." Why waste time discussing this matchup? KU, UK, KU-Lawrence, whatever they call themselves, will be done quickly and painfully. They won't score in the first half. In the second half, the Hayjocks will accidentally make a free throw after it ricochets of a fan's head and into the goal.

Projected score:
SIU 32
UK-Lawrence 1

[MetDrakeFan]

Some KU fan qoutes:

tatooine: "We will fry them alive and jazz all over their cold, lifeless saluki eyes."

knealio: "If KU goes out in front by 8 to 10 early on, it could get ugly. SIU will be an extremely tough, in-your-face type of team, but IMO they do not have that comeback type of ability. Faulkner seems to play his best in clutch situations, but that was the Missouri Valley he was up against. This is a whole different monster they will be facing thursday evening..."

bearhawk: "I've watched SIU probably 10 times this year. I'll just say this....I'm not worried."

radovic: "WOW! The Phog is at it full force. Before Friday many of you were worried about losing to Niagara. Now you are so cocky after 2 games you think SIU can't hang with KU. Remember, KU was a number 1 seed playing pretty easy teams to this point. SIU will really be a tough, grind it out game. KU's outside shooting and FT shooting can disapear at times and if the game is close down the stretch, it could be interesting to see what happens. I respect SIU, they were in the top 25 much of the year. It will be a good game. They ended up ranked 14, very respectable."

ClonedHawk: "They better have a couple of quality point guards. Opponents with average or worse pgs have gotten B slapped."

kevbo9: "SIU really really really needs Jamaal Tatum to have a good scoring game for them to stand a chance. I think Brandon Rush's defense will be a major key to stopping him. Hold him down and unless the other SIU player go ape***** I don't see how they can win the game if we play to our capabilities at all."

kansasbornandbred: "I have watched the several times, they are not near as good a UK.. No worries... They think they play good D, well we will show them good D.. They think they are studs, well wait til they see our studs... Is not even close..."

[SIUDAWG02]

Some KU fan qoutes:

tatooine: "We will fry them alive and jazz all over their cold, lifeless saluki eyes."

knealio: "If KU goes out in front by 8 to 10 early on, it could get ugly. SIU will be an extremely tough, in-your-face type of team, but IMO they do not have that comeback type of ability. Faulkner seems to play his best in clutch situations, but that was the Missouri Valley he was up against. This is a whole different monster they will be facing thursday evening..."

bearhawk: "I've watched SIU probably 10 times this year. I'll just say this....I'm not worried."


ClonedHawk: "They better have a couple of quality point guards. Opponents with average or worse pgs have gotten B slapped."



kansasbornandbred: "I have watched the several times, they are not near as good a UK.. No worries... They think they play good D, well we will show them good D.. They think they are studs, well wait til they see our studs... Is not even close..."

Overlooking a quality basketball team like SIU is nothing but ignorance. By the looks of their posts they have not watched many SIU games. Who the hell is Faulkner? Not to mention he is talking about the wrong player. Tatum is the one that has been clutch late in the games.

[creightonfever]

Some KU fan qoutes:

tatooine: "We will fry them alive and jazz all over their cold, lifeless saluki eyes."

knealio: "If KU goes out in front by 8 to 10 early on, it could get ugly. SIU will be an extremely tough, in-your-face type of team, but IMO they do not have that comeback type of ability. Faulkner seems to play his best in clutch situations, but that was the Missouri Valley he was up against. This is a whole different monster they will be facing thursday evening..."

bearhawk: "I've watched SIU probably 10 times this year. I'll just say this....I'm not worried."

radovic: "WOW! The Phog is at it full force. Before Friday many of you were worried about losing to Niagara. Now you are so cocky after 2 games you think SIU can't hang with KU. Remember, KU was a number 1 seed playing pretty easy teams to this point. SIU will really be a tough, grind it out game. KU's outside shooting and FT shooting can disapear at times and if the game is close down the stretch, it could be interesting to see what happens. I respect SIU, they were in the top 25 much of the year. It will be a good game. They ended up ranked 14, very respectable."

ClonedHawk: "They better have a couple of quality point guards. Opponents with average or worse pgs have gotten B slapped."

kevbo9: "SIU really really really needs Jamaal Tatum to have a good scoring game for them to stand a chance. I think Brandon Rush's defense will be a major key to stopping him. Hold him down and unless the other SIU player go ape***** I don't see how they can win the game if we play to our capabilities at all."

kansasbornandbred: "I have watched the several times, they are not near as good a UK.. No worries... They think they play good D, well we will show them good D.. They think they are studs, well wait til they see our studs... Is not even close..."

Something tells me they know nothing about karma.. :helpsmilie:



I have a good feeling about the dawgs.. hopefully KU doesnt feel this way about you guys b/c if so, I see an upset coming.

[SIUDAWG02]

I wonder if they felt this way about Bradley? :innocent:


Or Bucknell

[Awesome]

SIU fans probably shouldn't even watch this game. Kansas will win big.

[UNI Prof]

I hope you destroy KU. It will likely be a close game, but their arrogance says otherwise. You all should have heard them prior to the Bradley game last year.

[rjl]

I'm a Kansas born WSU fan who doesn't care for KU. Lawrence... I like. KU.... I don't.

That said, KU has looked VERY SOLID so far in the tournament, a far cry from how they looked against Bradley last year.

Here's what I posted when an SIU fan asked about KU on Shockernet:

SIU will have their hands VERY full with KU.

I'm not much of a KU fan, but you'd be hard pressed to find a weakness with that team this year. Their starting 5 are all potential future first round picks, and this year are playing like a cohesive unit.

Every one of thier players is also capable of making "Did that just happen???" type shots, so SIU's defense may or may not have an effect on them. I'm thinking not.

In recent weeks, they've shown some fortitude in coming back in games where they are down early (Texas), but they've mostly just run the other team out of the gym.

This is all said with nothing against SIU, it's just that KU looks like the national champion right now.

SIU's normal gameplan is to hold their opponent to under 55 points or so, but I just can't see any way that will happen with KU. I'd love to be wrong, but... man, there isn't a team in the tourney playing like KU is right now.

[SIUDAWG02]

I hope you destroy KU. It will likely be a close game, but their arrogance says otherwise. You all should have heard them prior to the Bradley game last year.



Anyone ask them how the crow tasted?

[smsandmsuson]

Some KU fan qoutes:

tatooine: "We will fry them alive and jazz all over their cold, lifeless saluki eyes."

knealio: "If KU goes out in front by 8 to 10 early on, it could get ugly. SIU will be an extremely tough, in-your-face type of team, but IMO they do not have that comeback type of ability. Faulkner seems to play his best in clutch situations, but that was the Missouri Valley he was up against. This is a whole different monster they will be facing thursday evening..."

bearhawk: "I've watched SIU probably 10 times this year. I'll just say this....I'm not worried."

radovic: "WOW! The Phog is at it full force. Before Friday many of you were worried about losing to Niagara. Now you are so cocky after 2 games you think SIU can't hang with KU. Remember, KU was a number 1 seed playing pretty easy teams to this point. SIU will really be a tough, grind it out game. KU's outside shooting and FT shooting can disapear at times and if the game is close down the stretch, it could be interesting to see what happens. I respect SIU, they were in the top 25 much of the year. It will be a good game. They ended up ranked 14, very respectable."

ClonedHawk: "They better have a couple of quality point guards. Opponents with average or worse pgs have gotten B slapped."

kevbo9: "SIU really really really needs Jamaal Tatum to have a good scoring game for them to stand a chance. I think Brandon Rush's defense will be a major key to stopping him. Hold him down and unless the other SIU player go ape***** I don't see how they can win the game if we play to our capabilities at all."

kansasbornandbred: "I have watched the several times, they are not near as good a UK.. No worries... They think they play good D, well we will show them good D.. They think they are studs, well wait til they see our studs... Is not even close..."

Im glad our friend Bearhawk chimed in his opinion.:chair:

[martymoose]

I wonder if they felt this way about Bradley? :innocent:

Oh, they did...very similar posts were all over their board during the week before the Bradley game. I must admit, SIU is going to have to play their best game of the year to beat KU. I'd like nothing more than to see KU go down to the hands of an MVC team yet again.

[BeeLine]

bearhawk is the clown who has tried to portray himself as a Bear's fan on here and at let'sgobears, but does nothing but diss the Valley and it's teams. While I'm not bailing ship on the Bears as a few on here have, needless to say from now till the end of the Tourney I'm rooting for the Saluki's bigtime. Nothing , other than if it were the Bears, would give me greater pleasure than to see the "UGLY DAWGS" absolutely maul the chickenhawks. They are a talented group, so if SIU is able to go toe to toe with them regardless of outcome, then I think it says our best is able to play with anything the Big 12 has to offer. Go SIU!!

:valley: :salukis: :salukis: :salukis: :salukis: :salukis: :valley:

[newshock1234]

many of my friends are KU friends, and believe me they are arrogant about their KU basketball. They think they are the college basketball headquarter of the world. Let me put like this:
My favorite team is the Shockers
my 2nd favorite team is any other MVC team
my 3rd favorite team is who ever is playing KU

:salukis: :valley:

[smsandmsuson]

Anyone know how Bradley shot from 3 point land against KU last year?

[fontleroyjr]

nothing like wins over niagara and a kentucky team that wasnt really playing great down the stretch to build up the old arrogance.

siu is a much better team than kentucky. ku will be in for a shock if they are thinking otherwise.

it's too bad the game isnt until thursday. if they had to play siu right after their last two opponents they would be totally thrown off by the difference in intensity.

SIU will have to limit mistakes, get the game at their pace, and shoot well from outside. pretty much what bradley and bucknell were able to do.

[SIUDAWG02]

Anyone hear if Shaw will play or not?

[Ace Dad]

I lived in Kansas for 10 years. Both my boys played with players (AAU or high school) who are former or current KU players. I like KU. That said: Kansas fans are very, very arrogant. They still have not learned from their Bucknell and Bradley experiences.

I think that on paper Kansas is better then SIU. I think an athlete by athlete or basketball player by basketball player comparison would result in KU winning on paper.

But, something tells me that the Jayhawks are going to look past the Salukis and that SIU will have a chance. Too many of the Jayhawks believe their own write-ups. KU expects to win and this may open the door for a Saluki victory.

[WSUbballer]

This is all too funny.

It's a fact GayU fans suffer the most from short-term memory loss. I'd really, really like to see their arrogant egos come smashing to the ground with this one.

In all honesty though, I think KU wins this one. I hope I'm wrong and I hope it stays competitive, which I think it will.

If KU gets by SIU, they're done with UCLA/Pitt.

[outpost]

Did someone mention karma up above here?

How about changing the school name for this week........from Southern Illinois (SIU) to Bottom Part of Illinois.....

[WSUbballer]

Did someone mention karma up above here?

How about changing the school name for this week........from Southern Illinois (SIU) to Bottom Part of Illinois.....

:lol: :clap:

[kcshocker]

Yes KU fans thought they were going to demoilish Bradley. I was laughed at when I told a group of them ST Pats day at Kellys they were going to lose to Bradley. They said if they could handle Lamarcus Aldlridge, Obryant would be no problem.

They believe this year they are unbeatable. It will be a game of a clash of styles. If they tempo is SIU,s, look out Hawks. If SIU lets KU run or the refs call tick tacks fouls look out SIU.

By the way Dan Gottlib on ESPN Sports Night said SIU was the most impressive team so far. He also said he believes that SIU is one of the NCAA's elite teams.

If SIU plays their game and isnt in awe of KU's Hamburger pattie team it should be a great game.:valley: :panthers: :panthers: :valley: :clap: :clap: :clap:


"You dont win that many games and not be a great team!"
Norm Stewart on SIU

[Hein72]

KU fans are ignorant. Falker looks good against MVC competion, ha ha. If I recall correctly they got beat by an MVC team in the tourney last year. How quickly they forget. Second, good deffense; they wont know what hit them. Third, teams without good point guards get ***** slapped, ORU's starting pg was a Wichita St. transfer. Do me a favor and kick some jayhawk ***.

[KingTut]

I've seen Kansas play in person twice this year and I think SIU can hang with the Jayhawks. They have a tendency to rely on the dribble a lot. If SIU can stop penetration they'll be in good shape.

I keep hearing about how great KU has been playing the past 13 games. A lot of that was a product of their competition. Of course the Jayhawks looked great when they beat Nebraska by 50. But what does that prove?

And to those who say SIU's defense won't be able to stifle KU, just look at some of KU's recent games.

KU scored 64 and 67 points in their first two Big 12 tournament games (against Oklahoma and K-State, two teams with defenses that are inferior to SIU's). KU scored 66 in a home loss to A&M.

SIU can definitely keep Kansas in the 60s, which should give the dawgs a decent chance of winning.

[Studgunners]

I would love to see my beloved Salukis win, but let's be real: We have to play almost a flawless game to pull it off. It goes without saying that we need to hit the 3 in a similar fashion as we did today. The big problem I see is keeping Kansas off of the offensive glass. If we can rebound well defensively and limit the put backs, we can hang in there. If not, it could get real ugly.

To all of you out there, let's not be so smug ourselves. Keep in mind we've never been ranked in the top 10 EVER and we've never made it past the sweet 16. It's starting to sound like Illinitalk on here. Kansas is a great team and should be respected even if their fans do not respect us.

With that said......GO Salukis :salukis:

[Aargh]

I don't think SIU will beat KU. If it is to happen it will require one of the better games SIU has played all year. Falker will need an awesome game because KU can have a strong inside game.

For KU to win, they're going to have to withstand a defense like they haven't seen and not get frustrated by having a player constantly in their face. SIU's D can disrupt more than just the opponents offense. It can disrupt the thinking of the players on the other team.

KU has been winning a lot and winning fairly easily with the skill they put on the court. SIU is capable of testing whether the players who have that skill also have the poise to handle a level of pressure they haven't seen before.

[barkeep1967]

One thing I think everybody is overlooking.

the Majority of the fans out there will be UCLA fans. With that being said I would wager SIU is the overwhelming crowd favorite when the Bruin fans start to show up in the second half. If and thats a big if we can stay in it until then that will give us a boost.

[KingTut]

KU goes through stretches of taking bad shots. I don't think their mental toughness is anywhere near SIU's level.

Obviously it will take a great game by the Salukis. But of all the Number 1 seeds, I'd definitely pick KU as the team SIU is most likely to beat. They have a horrible coach. They don't always take good shots. They have a history of NCAA chokejobs.

K-State managed to ugly up the game and keep it competitive twice in the past month vs. KU, once in Manhattan and once in the Big 12 tourney. KSU lost by 9 and 6 points in those games. SIU is definitely a better team than K-State.

[C0|db|00ded]

I'll tell you what.. the Ugly Dawgs are really starting to interest me...

I would like nothing more than to see SIU-C do their thing to KU and send that predatory program home packing. So for this game I am a big SIU-C fan and might even watch the game!

I missed today's because I was golfing.. :ermm:


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[Majik45]

Well look at that, SIU might have to go through the same two teams that Bradley beat last year, KU and Pitt, if SIU wants to make the final four. Don't let Kansas intimidate you. SIU's defense will give Kansas fits. I think Self was quoted last year saying that they hadn't seen such quickness out of guards all year when they played Bradley. As long as you don't let Kansas get on any big runs, you have a chance to win this game. You don't have to play flawless either.

Win another one for the Valley! It will really help my bracket out as I have SIU beating Kansas.

[MSNSaluki]

I'll tell you what.. the Ugly Dawgs are really starting to interest me...

I would like nothing more than to see SIU-C do their thing to KU and send that predatory program home packing. So for this game I am a big SIU-C fan and might even watch the game!

I missed today's because I was golfing.. :ermm:


T


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Will you give special props to SIU here on Valley Talk if the Salukis beat Kansas?

[Hein72]

KU wont be easy and will require a nearly flawless game by SIU or a poor game for KU to see the Ugly Dawgs make it through but I like their chances just as I did Bradley last year. I think the Big 12 is overrated and I dont think KU has near as much heart as SIU. I would love to see SIU pull out this game and meet Pitt (hopefully beating UCLA) in the Eliet 8. If that happens SIU could be in the Final 4.

[go braves]

I wonder if they felt this way about Bradley? :innocent:


Before the BU game last year the KU trolls were all over the Bradley board with the same stuff. What I thought was funny is not one of them came back to give props to BU after the win. Since then fans from all the valley teams, Pitt, VCU, Memphis, Providence, Miss State, have stopped on the board and talked hoops with BU fans in a civil manner. KU has the worst fan base on the internet. I hope the Dawgs make them look real bad.

PS. I hade SIU to the final four from the start.

[SalukiProf]

Before the BU game last year the KU trolls were all over the Bradley board with the same stuff.

In fairness to the KU fanbase, a number of them have visited SalukiTalk in the past 24 hours, and they have been friendly, classy, and knowledgeable.

:salukis:
:valley:

[Studgunners]

KU has the worst fan base on the internet. I hope the Dawgs make them look real bad.




Have you checked out the Maryland board???

[go braves]

Have you checked out the Maryland board???


Good point.

A tie?

[BMull10]

If we can take care of the ball and dictate the tempo, we got a good shot in this one. Obviously KU is talented as all hell but I think our style might just be the thing to frusterate them. This game is going to be tough as all hell but we CAN win it.

[DaShox]

How KU fans think:


Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Go KU!
Our Father, who art in Lawrence,
Hallowed be thy Game.
Thy tourney come,
Thy championship will be done, In Atlanta as it is
in Allen Field House.
Give us this day our deserved victories.
And forgive us our turnovers,
As we forgive Roy who double-crossed against us.
And lead us not into defeat,
But deliver us from East Coast bias,
For Kansas is the basketball kingdom,
And the tradition,
And the glory,
For ever and ever.
Amen.


GO DAWGS!

[DoubleJayAlum]

Congrats to SIU for their victories so far in the tourney. Hard play is rewarded. I been watching the facial expressions of the SIU opponents throughout the tourney and have laughed as I've seen my Jays wear the same looks when playing SIU. As someone else said in this thread, SIU's style can really mess with the opponents' heads, not just their game. The opponent keeps wondering why they are getting called for fouls, while they feel like they are being beat-up and hacked to death without a foul being called. Fans of all Valley teams are used to these feelings, and it has been fun seeing other SIU opponents react the same way.

SIU has a chance if they can dictate tempo and stay out of foul trouble. That being said, I do have concerns about SIU's ability to score against KU because KU plays pretty good defense too. Get in the Jayhawk's heads early and frustrate the heck out of them and you can beat them. Go Salukis - an MVC team in the elite 8 (at least) would be great for the conference.

This thread is funny to read. Its hard to figure out who is more excited about the SIU-Ku game: SIU fans or WSU fans.

[C0|db|00ded]

Will you give special props to SIU here on Valley Talk if the Salukis beat Kansas?

I don't know about that but what I will say is this: It is very ironic that a team that represents the birth of basketball is meeting a team that represents the bastardization of it in the Sweet 16.

It will be like beauty and the beast and I hope I am near a television to watch it. :clap:

There is a chance that we will witness a tear in the fabric of the universe at this game. Gabriel will certainly be on hand with a legion of angels in case this "war" goes supernatural!!! :lol: :lol: :clap: :clap:


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[Carrcar]

People on the outside don't know how good the Valley was this year. All but a few of the games were real big league contests. Playing good teams is nothing new to tSIU or the other valley teams. BTW, didn't Bradley handle DePaul pretty easily...the same DePaul that beat KU?

[Majik45]

Bradley beat Depaul by 20 to open the season.

[txsaluki05]

Bradley beat Depaul by 20 to open the season.

wasnt it 30?

[WeWillShockU]

SIU fans. I thought you might like to read this article from the Lawrence KS. paper. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/19/self_jayhawks_familiar_siu/?sports

[MSNSaluki]

I don't know about that but what I will say is this: It is very ironic that a team that represents the birth of basketball is meeting a team that represents the bastardization of it in the Sweet 16.

It will be like beauty and the beast and I hope I am near a television to watch it. :clap:

There is a chance that we will witness a tear in the fabric of the universe at this game. Gabriel will certainly be on hand with a legion of angels in case this "war" goes supernatural!!! :lol: :lol: :clap: :clap:


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Keep SIU's style in mind while you're watching UCLA and Pitt. Those two aren't far off the Salukis' course. The bastardization of basketball isn't limited to Carbondale, Illinois. If SIU were to somehow beat Kansas, that regional final would be lucky to see a final score in the 40s.

And I'd be fine with that ... as long as we win.:lol:

[shockerfan13]

Unfortunately I don't give SIU much of a chance in this one. If anyone is playing like a champion right now it's KU. But who knows, that is why they play the game.

I will say that SIU will be a MUCH tougher test than Kentucky and Niagra, so if they don't come ready to play SIU could pull the rug from under them. I do expect this to be a fairly low scoring heated battle for at least 30 mins if not more....

KU - 67
SIU - 58

Hope I'm wrong...good luck SIU.

[shockerfan13]

Congrats to SIU for their victories so far in the tourney. Hard play is rewarded. I been watching the facial expressions of the SIU opponents throughout the tourney and have laughed as I've seen my Jays wear the same looks when playing SIU. As someone else said in this thread, SIU's style can really mess with the opponents' heads, not just their game. The opponent keeps wondering why they are getting called for fouls, while they feel like they are being beat-up and hacked to death without a foul being called. Fans of all Valley teams are used to these feelings, and it has been fun seeing other SIU opponents react the same way.

SIU has a chance if they can dictate tempo and stay out of foul trouble. That being said, I do have concerns about SIU's ability to score against KU because KU plays pretty good defense too. Get in the Jayhawk's heads early and frustrate the heck out of them and you can beat them. Go Salukis - an MVC team in the elite 8 (at least) would be great for the conference.

This thread is funny to read. Its hard to figure out who is more excited about the SIU-Ku game: SIU fans or WSU fans.

LOL we have to live vicariously through SIU on Thursday since we can't get a shot at the chickenhawks :P.

[iSASO]

On Thursday, I will be transformed into the biggest SIU fan on Planet Earth.

Ugly Betty has her shot at Adonis.

Go Get 'Em!

[txsaluki05]

On Thursday, I will be transformed into the biggest SIU fan on Planet Earth.

Ugly Betty has her shot at Adonis.

Go Get 'Em!

never thought i'd see that haha

[kyyle23]

I cannot get enough of this stuff

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/03/18/sweet16.lookahead/index.html

Kansas: Not only have the Jayhawks now won 13 in a row, they were also easily the most impressive of the four No. 1 seeds on opening weekend, hitting a staggering 60.5 percent of their three-pointers -- 23 of 38 -- against Niagara and Kentucky. They'll need to keep up the hot hands in San Jose, where two of the nation's elite defensive teams, Southern Illinois and UCLA, await.

Southern Illinois: The Salukis' tenacious defense was exceptional even by their standards the first two rounds, holding Holy Cross and Virginia Tech to an average of 49.5 points. Even without injured forward Matt Shaw, SIU dominated the Hokies from start to finish while draining a season-high 12 three-pointers.

[Awesome]

Kansas will show SIU what real defense is.

B Rush will show Tatum how to play BCS defense.

[kyyle23]

Kansas will show SIU what real defense is.

B Rush will show Tatum how to play BCS defense.

When did you go troll on us Awesome? Maybe I just tuned you out before, but I dont remember you being like this before.

BCS + Defense = Oxymoron

[Awesome]

No, I just know Kansas is much better this year than SIU. With all of the talk of the Big 12 sucking this and the past year (and don't get me wrong, the Valley is better this year...and last, and just may be next year), but Kansas is too good for SIU.

They are so fast, and so good on defense. SIU is playing a team where at least four starters could go pro before their freshman year. And don't mention Bradley or Bucknell, the Bucknell squad was a different team, and this KU squad is more mature than the Bradley loss.

I love all midmajors, and they deserve their respect. But SIU is overmatached. It would've been better for them to be a different seed, so they could play on UCLA's side of the bracket.

But look at it this way, at least SIU will lose to the eventual nat. champs.

[Ricky Del Rio]

There has been a lot of talke about SIU's reknown defense, but nary a word about SIU's reknown offense.

Y'all are planning to score, aren't you?

Here is to Falker, Young and Tatum having good games.

Here is to Mullins staying with the KU guards without fouling.

Here is to getting at least 6-8 points from the bench.

Go Dawgs!

:salukis:

[DawgFan]

My gut feeling is Matt Shaw will give it a go on a limited basis. My gut feeling watching him hobble off at halftime against Holy Cross was that he would not play vs Va Tech.

Tyrone Green is going to have to play helluh defense and SIU is going to have to hit the offensive glass, the Dawgs won't shoot it like they did against Va Tech.

I think SIU's play will be inspired and tough. Very difficult game to win, not impossible.

[getreal4]

If Shaw can play, SIU has a real chance to beat an arrogant KU team. No Shaw, then its miracle time for the Uglies.

[shockball]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2007-03-19-southern-illinois_N.htm

"They don't build underdogs like they used to." SIU gets some nice compliments.

KU is my 6th favorite school in NE Kansas, right after Haskell Indian Nations University in Lawrence. It's OK though if you beat the egg sucking slimeballs.

[Log]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2007-03-19-southern-illinois_N.htm

"They don't build underdogs like they used to." SIU gets some nice compliments.

KU is my 6th favorite school in NE Kansas, right after Haskell Indian Nations University in Lawrence. It's OK though if you beat the egg sucking slimeballs.

That, my friend, was a fine article. Thanks for the link.

Forget it. Anyone who thinks that has never had to slice through the Southern Illinois defense trying to get open for a pass. The Salukis act like bar bouncers on a Saturday night.

[dab212s]

my bracket has SIU over KU here. Dawgs are destined to win I'm afraid.

[Dawgbit]

Rock chalk, I thought it was rock CHOKE!:banana:

[Awesome]

Gosh, I sure am glad arrogance is limited to Big 12 fans.

[MSNSaluki]

Gosh, I sure am glad arrogance is limited to Big 12 fans.

I'm not on the KoolAid IV as often as most Saluki fans but I can't fault anybody for being giddy about being in the Sweet 16.
Hell, my wife and I were pumped for the Wichita State/George Mason game last year.

[Awesome]

I'm not on the KoolAid IV as often as most Saluki fans but I can't fault anybody for being giddy about being in the Sweet 16.
Hell, my wife and I were pumped for the Wichita State/George Mason game last year.


I'm sure you didn't, but you might have missed my point. I hear all about how BCS teams are arrogant, but so are mid-major fans. I encoarage all people to be egotistical, it's fun. No one ever did anythind important without their ego being inflated. I just don't like how SIU fans are like "Kansas fans are big headed, we're going to kick their ***, Tatum is the best player in the world."

If SIU was playing any other team, I'd say good luck, I'd root them on, but Kansas is too good right now to be beaten by anyone. SIU got a bad draw.

[Dawgbit]

I'm sure you didn't, but you might have missed my point. I hear all about how BCS teams are arrogant, but so are mid-major fans. I encoarage all people to be egotistical, it's fun. No one ever did anythind important without their ego being inflated. I just don't like how SIU fans are like "Kansas fans are big headed, we're going to kick their ***, Tatum is the best player in the world."

If SIU was playing any other team, I'd say good luck, I'd root them on, but Kansas is too good right now to be beaten by anyone. SIU got a bad draw.


The recent tournament history os the Kansans implies choke, would you not agree?

[XSaluki]

The recent tournament history os the Kansans implies choke, would you not agree?
Since he is rooting on Kansas and is a Kansas/Big 12 fan, I doubt he will agree to something like that.

[Lakeview Brave]

Anyone know how Bradley shot from 3 point land against KU last year?


We hit 11 threes the most we had hit all season.

[Awesome]

The recent tournament history os the Kansans implies choke, would you not agree?

Halfway. Bradley was an outstanding team, and KU got a bad draw. The Bucknell loss was just bad.

[Aegyptus]

Game day. Time to get serious. Enough talk about the past, time to predict.

SIU will keep this game close and will keep this game in the 60's. I am confident of that. I also think this is going to be decided in the final 2 min., but I am unsure who will have the 3-5 pt. advantage going into that time frame. My guess is that SIU will. I think SIU will be up by 5-7 with about 4 min. to go. At the under 4 timeout, Self will get in Rush's face and tell him to start driving and getting fouled instead of shooting three's over SIU's pressure, which he will. That will draw the score closer and eventually tie with a min. to go. But, SIU will go down low to Falker. He will miss the shot, but get fouled. Falker being Falker he will make only one of two free throws. Kansas will have a shot at the win. Rush will drive, but no call, and miss the shot; Shaw will rebound and hit the free throws.

SIU by 3. 67-64.

[SIUDAWG02]

Halfway. Bradley was an outstanding team, and KU got a bad draw. The Bucknell loss was just bad.


If im not mistaken didnt bradley go 11-7 in the conferance and finish fifth? They made a good run in the arch madness tourney loesing to SIU in the finals. SIU went 2-1 against Bradley and has virtually the same team this year. Falker shut POB down in the games I watched.

[ShockerEngr]

Halfway. Bradley was an outstanding team, and KU got a bad draw. The Bucknell loss was just bad.

Bradley was outstanding? Very good yes, but I would hardly consider them to be outstanding.

And KU got the seed they did because KU was very inconsistent last season...they could be really good, or they could be bad, and they typically stumbled anytime they ran into something new.

[shockball]

C'mon Salukis's. Take it from them. #1 in the MVC over #1 in the bigIIIIIIIIIIII.
Go Dawgs!
:salukis:

[fontleroyjr]

SIU needs to make this an ugly ugly game.

KU has been rolling and hasn't seen defense like what SIU is going to hit them with in awhile. They need to rattle them early on.


SIU will lock down KU in a half court game. On the other hand, SIU will struggle with KU's defense also.

SIU needs to handle the pressure of the KU guards and limit turnovers/fast break points from the hawks. The Salukis need to shoot the ball well from outside again and they need to come out strong from the beginning. I hope they don't come out nervous/afraid and dig an early hole, or it could get ugly.

I think it's going to be a game that goes back and forth and the score difference will stay around 6 or less.

I like the :salukis: by 2

[Awesome]

If im not mistaken didnt bradley go 11-7 in the conferance and finish fifth? They made a good run in the arch madness tourney loesing to SIU in the finals. SIU went 2-1 against Bradley and has virtually the same team this year. Falker shut POB down in the games I watched.

Wow, lets post Bradley's regular season record as an indication of how good they were during the tournament (MVC and NCAA).

Bradley shouldn't have been a 13 seed last year, they were much better than that. So yeah, Kansas got a bad draw as a four, and Bradley beat them.

BU was better than Niagara and Kentucky. SIU is good, but they haven't shown me this season they can play with Kansas. No one has pointed out a team who has been more impressive than Kansas has been in their first two games. And it's not just that Kansas has played bad teams, it's the way they went about it. If anyone watched the Kentucky game, it seemed like Kansas won by 50.

If SIU was playing anyone else, I'd root them on. If they were playing any other one seed, I'd say they had a good shot, but Kansas has been too good so far to be reckoned with. SIU may make it close, and in the frenzy that is college basketball anyone can win during any game, but Kansas is the better team here. Their players (all sophomores) have matured this year over last. They understand the pressure that is Kansas basketball.

Name me one player who to defend on KU, then they'll just go to another player (who was also a McDonnalds' All-American).

[Aegyptus]

Name me one player who to defend on KU, then they'll just go to another player (who was also a McDonnalds' All-American).

Have you not watched the Salukis? It is not about defending 1 player, it is about team man-to-man defense. Everybody guards everybody. From Mullins harassing the point guard, to Falker and Shaw switching off down low. Granted, Lowrey will use T. Young to start the game on their best guard, but by the 5 min. mark Tatum will be guarding that same player.

Kansas is a great team with many future NBA ballers, but the man-to-man team defense concept that Lowrey has installed is perfect for shutting down teams. It may actually be better at shutting down a team like Kansas than a one man show like Texas with Durant.

This game is not going to be about a player or two burning SIU, it is going to be about tempo, fouls, and Shaw's ankle. I will not argue with the statement that Kansas has more talented players, but saying they are the better team, well, we will find out.

[SIUDAWG02]

Wow, lets post Bradley's regular season record as an indication of how good they were during the tournament (MVC and NCAA).

Bradley shouldn't have been a 13 seed last year, they were much better than that. So yeah, Kansas got a bad draw as a four, and Bradley beat them.

BU was better than Niagara and Kentucky. SIU is good, but they haven't shown me this season they can play with Kansas. No one has pointed out a team who has been more impressive than Kansas has been in their first two games. And it's not just that Kansas has played bad teams, it's the way they went about it. If anyone watched the Kentucky game, it seemed like Kansas won by 50.

If SIU was playing anyone else, I'd root them on. If they were playing any other one seed, I'd say they had a good shot, but Kansas has been too good so far to be reckoned with. SIU may make it close, and in the frenzy that is college basketball anyone can win during any game, but Kansas is the better team here. Their players (all sophomores) have matured this year over last. They understand the pressure that is Kansas basketball.

Name me one player who to defend on KU, then they'll just go to another player (who was also a McDonnalds' All-American).


So what your saying is a team out of the MVC that went 19-11 before the tournament should get a better seed than a 13? Not to mention they finished 5th in the MVC regular season. This year MSU went 12-6 & 22-11 and Bradley went 10-8 and 22-13 both getting completely left out of the NCAA tourney.


EDIT: I might be mistaken but your seed is based upon how well you do in the regular season is it not?

[Mikovio]

One thing to keep in mind is the suspensions of Patrick O'Bryant and Will Franklin. Had they been playing all year with the team I dare say our record would have been better.

Thankfully it all worked out in the end....

[Awesome]

So what your saying is a team out of the MVC that went 19-11 before the tournament should get a better seed than a 13? Not to mention they finished 5th in the MVC regular season. This year MSU went 12-6 & 22-11 and Bradley went 10-8 and 22-13 both getting completely left out of the NCAA tourney.


EDIT: I might be mistaken but your seed is based upon how well you do in the regular season is it not?


As a Valley fan, you should know BU was underseeded last year, and my point is Bradley wasn't a 13 seed, and didn't play like a 13 seed.

[Maggie]

Who cares about BU last year? Look, I have not posted for a while (too busy at work) but I just wanted to say from a WSU fan – Best of luck SIU, we are all counting on you.

I'll be an SIU fan tonight – smack them on head, knock them down and please, please don't let them up. Don't let KU breathe!!

[Aegyptus]

I am getting confused. Is Kansas playing Bradley tonight? Is it just because no one wants to actually post their true thoughts, that SIU is probably going to lose?

On a related note, why does everyone (at least some) seem to think that Kansas is a much better team than SIU? Without wanting to get anything started, SIU was clearly the Valley's best team this year. Also, this year's SIU team is probably one of the best teams the Valley has put in the tournament in the past decade, as reflected by their #4 seed. I can understand that everyone in the media would put Kansas on top of SIU because they are not familiar with the great play in the Valley. But, Valley supporters themselves making statements like Kansas is too good for SIU?

That seems like a clear admission of mid-majordom. The Valley's best team for the past few years cannot beat this year's best team in the Big 12? That says to me, no matter who the best team in the Valley is, the best team in the Big 12 will always be better. These are low expectations.

How can we expect SIU to go out there and actually believe they can beat Kansas when hard-core Valley supporters do not even truly believe we can play with anybody, anytime, anywhere. Until that is the case, we will always be a step behind the big boys and rightfully own the name, mid major.

[MSNSaluki]

I am getting confused. Is Kansas playing Bradley tonight? Is it just because no one wants to actually post their true thoughts, that SIU is probably going to lose?

On a related note, why does everyone (at least some) seem to think that Kansas is a much better team than SIU? Without wanting to get anything started, SIU was clearly the Valley's best team this year. Also, this year's SIU team is probably one of the best teams the Valley has put in the tournament in the past decade, as reflected by their #4 seed. I can understand that everyone in the media would put Kansas on top of SIU because they are not familiar with the great play in the Valley. But, Valley supporters themselves making statements like Kansas is too good for SIU?

That seems like a clear admission of mid-majordom. The Valley's best team for the past few years cannot beat this year's best team in the Big 12? That says to me, no matter who the best team in the Valley is, the best team in the Big 12 will always be better. These are low expectations.

How can we expect SIU to go out there and actually believe they can beat Kansas when hard-core Valley supporters do not even truly believe we can play with anybody, anytime, anywhere. Until that is the case, we will always be a step behind the big boys and rightfully own the name, mid major.

You are right.
I think it's just the name "Kansas".
I've followed SIU and the Valley a long time and I still can't believe the Salukis are in the same class. I think they are but it's tough to admit.
We'll know more in 4 hours.:original:

[Awesome]

Perhaps. I love SIU, and I was one of the few people to believe they were the team to beat in the conference before the season began.

It's not that I'm saying Valley #1 cannot compete with Big 12 #1. Even if I did, it shouldnt be viewed as SIU can't play with the best team from each conference. Give me SIU v UCLA or Ohio St, or Florida (that would be a very good game)or UNC, or Georgetown, and I'll probably say go Salukis, and I'd truly believe they can win.

It's this Kansas team. They are something special, and we're in the midst of a great outstanding Kansas team. Even Whitlock said he would rather take this years KU team over the teams Roy Williams assembled in the past (which says a lot because that 1997 team was so talented).

And when I say this Kansas team is special, I really mean it. We know the core will be together for at least one more season. And there are a lot of expectations to bring home a national championship.

As a Valley fan, we don't demand national championships which says a lot more about Valley fans views of the conference, than saying Kansas will win.

SIU can play with anyone any day, and they can play with Kansas. Be it a 1 point win, or 50 point spread, Kansas will win.

It should be a great game, and I'm excited for it. I've been pumped all day.

[SIUDAWG02]

As a Valley fan, you should know BU was underseeded last year, and my point is Bradley wasn't a 13 seed, and didn't play like a 13 seed.


You should know as a NCAA BBALL fan that a 11- 7 19-11 team out of a mid major conference wont get a better seed than 13 especially when they finished 5th. Did I miss something and they changed the way they seed teams?

[3ontheway]

Go get 'em UGLY DAWGS!!!

:salukis:

[Awesome]

You should know as a NCAA BBALL fan that a 11- 7 19-11 team out of a mid major conference wont get a better seed than 13 especially when they finished 5th. Did I miss something and they changed the way they seed teams?

Ok, you win. Bradley was a 13 seed last year ....now make a point

[SIUDAWG02]

Wow, lets post Bradley's regular season record as an indication of how good they were during the tournament (MVC and NCAA).

Bradley shouldn't have been a 13 seed last year, they were much better than that. So yeah, Kansas got a bad draw as a four, and Bradley beat them.




.

[Hein72]

I am excited about this game. Dont let me down SIU. KICK SOME *****!!!

[creightonfever]

If SIU wins tonight.. a National Title is not too far off for them!

[cbjay]

Go Salukis, beat KU...please.:salukis: :valley:

[Aegyptus]

If SIU wins tonight.. a National Title is not too far off for them!

You might be right. This is probably the biggest hurdle remaining in the tournament as UCLA and Pitt are not nearly the team Kansas is. If they can win this one, ANYTHING is possible.

To even be realistically considering that ... that's so cool.

[MSNSaluki]

You might be right. This is probably the biggest hurdle remaining in the tournament as UCLA and Pitt are not nearly the team Kansas is. If they can win this one, ANYTHING is possible.

To even be realistically considering that ... that's so cool.

This is insane.
And I'm loving it.:lol:

[jaypharmalum]

As someone with family scattered throughout the midwest who are KU alums, it would give me no greater pleasure than to see the mighty Jayhawks ousted from the NCAA Tourney in consecutive years by MVC teams.

Make us proud Dawgs!

:salukis:

[Mikovio]

You should know as a NCAA BBALL fan that a 11- 7 19-11 team out of a mid major conference wont get a better seed than 13 especially when they finished 5th. Did I miss something and they changed the way they seed teams?
First of all, it was 20-10 (soon to be 22-11).

I think Awesome's point is that BU was playing its best ball at the end of the season, which I tend to agree with. The Braves had won 7 of 8 heading into the NCAAs, and were playing better than a typical 13-seed by the end of the season. That's not to say the 13-seed was undeserved, as the team was 13-9 before catching fire.

But that's simply the luck of the draw. Of course everyone wants to draw an opponent that was playing its best ball back in December. Want to guarantee yourself an easy game in the first round? Earn a 1-seed so you won't draw an at-large opponent. Otherwise don't complain.

:valley: :salukis:

[Awesome]

First of all, it was 20-10 (soon to be 22-11).

I think Awesome's point is that BU was playing its best ball at the end of the season, which I tend to agree with. The Braves had won 7 of 8 heading into the NCAAs, and were playing better than a typical 13-seed by the end of the season. That's not to say the 13-seed was undeserved, as the team was 13-9 before catching fire.


Thank God someone got it.

[SIUDAWG02]

First of all, it was 20-10 (soon to be 22-11).

I think Awesome's point is that BU was playing its best ball at the end of the season, which I tend to agree with. The Braves had won 7 of 8 heading into the NCAAs, and were playing better than a typical 13-seed by the end of the season. That's not to say the 13-seed was undeserved, as the team was 13-9 before catching fire.

But that's simply the luck of the draw. Of course everyone wants to draw an opponent that was playing its best ball back in December. Want to guarantee yourself an easy game in the first round? Earn a 1-seed so you won't draw an at-large opponent. Otherwise don't complain.

:valley: :salukis:


My bad about missing the one win. My point was BU got the seed they deserved for there performance before the tourney nothing more nothing less.

[SIUDAWG02]

how did they miss that shot clock violation?

[SubGod22]

how did they miss that shot clock violation?


There's no excuse for them missing that one. Even KU fans have to admit they got away with that one

[SIUDAWG02]

21-21 time out kansas should be 21-19 SIU if the ref wasnt blind

[RoyalShock]

The travel call on Arthur inside mostly makes up for that.

Just keep hitting the open shots, SIU will stay in this game!

[Hein72]

SIU went a little cold at the end of the half but still only down 3. KU in some foul trouble is huge too. Survive the first 4 minutes of the first half and SIU has a serious shot.

Edit- *** was up with that Shot Clock Shot!?!? We have 3 Helen Keller officals out there or what?

[Hail Red & White]

Halftime: Kansas 27, Southern Illinois 24

Good job so far by the Salukis! If they can keep the Jayhawks to less than 65 points tonight, they have a chance. KU tends to tighten up in close, low-scoring games. They might be pretty good defensively, but I don't think they are as tenacious as SIU. Still, they have the bench that the Dogs don't, and that could be a factor down the stretch. Should be 25-24 had the ref not missed the shot clock violation dunk. Interesting game.

[Ace Dad]

Ace Kid is sitting in my living room wearing KU Jayhawk shorts and rooting for SIU. The boy is conflicted.

[shockball]

Good job so far Saluki's. This is the most intensely I've watched a ku game all year.
:salukis:

[OmahaBen]

Refs have generally favored SIU, IMO. The missed shot clock was bad, but they're lettin em play which is how SIU needs it to be.

If only SIU could make some shots.

[Ace Dad]

SIU will live and die by their ability to hit the 3 point shot.

[shockball]

Say hello to Lucious for me even though he's the only one of the Wagner's I didn't get to meet last time you were here.
:aces:

[SubGod22]

Ace Kid is sitting in my living room wearing KU Jayhawk shorts and rooting for SIU. The boy is conflicted.

You might want to get him some professional help :grin:

[Aegyptus]

Not a bad half. We are not shooting as well as we did against Va Tech or we would be up 5. Could be Kansas' D though. They have some great hands and long arms. They are really causing havoc on SIU's end getting their big mits on the ball.

Crowd is clearly on SIU's side. As the game goes on this may be a factor.

I have no idea what the heck happened on that shot clock violation. That was a pure gift. No one in the stadium, except for the refs, though he got it off. There was a full second and a half after the horn.

Fouls are not too bad. Falker 2, Mullins 2. I think that is it. The game is being called pretty well for SIU.

Tatum needs to heat up so that Young does not take as many shots. When Tatum is hot, Young defers to him. I think he may shoot better in the second half. If he hits just one of those, the game is tied.

Kansas seemed to be learning how to beat the man-to-man though with the extra pass down low after Falker and Shaw collapse. Have to watch that.

Anyway, down 1 possession at the half. I will take it.

Good start.

[Hail Red & White]

That could ring true AceDad. In that respect, Kansas is more versatile than the Salukis. However, SIU has stayed true to itself by contesting offensive rebounds. They've even had a couple of put-back buckets that may have surprised some of the KU interior defenders.

[MVC Fan]

Just hit some shots boys!! Only difference in this game is FG % right now, because SIU is controlling tempo. They're getting open looks...knock them down! :salukis: :valley:

[Aegyptus]

SIU is controlling tempo.

I don't know what the national media were thinking about tempo. It was clear the SIU would control tempo in this game. Except for the 6 point run right at the beginning of the game, SIU has been in control the whole way. But they have to keep them slowed down. They are deadly in transition. That 6 point run was something to see. But, SIU caught up. Kansas is bigger than us, but not more athletic.

I bet Self is tearing into them right now because SIU is clearly out hustling them. With their height they should not allow rebound. I expect a quick second half surge on Kansas part and a lot of fouls on SIU to keep the game slow. Let's hope they miss the free throws.

[Aegyptus]

17:00 left in the second half. SIU leads.

Kansas is starting to fluster. Self takes a time out.

Keep the pressure on. Kansas is starting to feel it now.

Tatum is heating up. That is what we need.

[Hail Red & White]

Huzzah for the Salukis!!! 6-0 run to start the 2nd half gives SIU a 30-27 lead and prompts a Kansas timeout. If they win, I wonder if Bill Self will give them some love. He said Bradley had some of the quickest guards KU faced after they lost to the Braves. Other than that, I don't think he said anything much more complimentary toward BU. Two years ago, he gave no props to Bucknell whatsoever. Everything about the loss centered on things Kansas failed to do, rather than anything the Bison did to win the game.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

SIU fans probably shouldn't even watch this game. Kansas will win big.

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Kansas will show SIU what real defense is.

B Rush will show Tatum how to play BCS defense.

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No, I just know Kansas is much better this year than SIU. With all of the talk of the Big 12 sucking this and the past year (and don't get me wrong, the Valley is better this year...and last, and just may be next year), but Kansas is too good for SIU.

They are so fast, and so good on defense. SIU is playing a team where at least four starters could go pro before their freshman year. And don't mention Bradley or Bucknell, the Bucknell squad was a different team, and this KU squad is more mature than the Bradley loss.

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I love all midmajors, and they deserve their respect. But SIU is overmatached. It would've been better for them to be a different seed, so they could play on UCLA's side of the bracket.

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If SIU was playing any other team, I'd say good luck, I'd root them on, but Kansas is too good right now to be beaten by anyone. SIU got a bad draw.

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Name me one player who to defend on KU, then they'll just go to another player (who was also a McDonnalds' All-American).

Wow... we have a moron!!!!

[Hein72]

SIU started the half out strong. Doing well even with Falker on the bench. SIU has to get back on KU, that is the only real way KU is scoring on them right now.

[Aegyptus]

The drive and pass after the collapse is starting to hurt us. I don't think there is much we can do about it either. Hope Kansas does not realize this and take advantage.

[SIUDAWG02]

Refs have generally favored SIU, IMO. The missed shot clock was bad, but they're lettin em play which is how SIU needs it to be.

If only SIU could make some shots.


how about the missed goal tending?

[Aegyptus]

Southern is the better team in this game. But Kansas is scoring in spurts. SIU has to keep it to 1 more spurt. 2 more spurts and that is real bad.

[WSUbballer]

Come on Salukis!

:salukis:

[OmahaBen]

wow, 2nd blown shot clock call of the game against SIU.

That definitely nicked the rim on the way down.

[Aegyptus]

We are up to 3 points and 1 possession that was stolen from us by the refs. It is hard enough for us to win this game but to have to beat Kansas and the refs? $%(##@)

[SIUDAWG02]

another missed call shot clock violation

[OmahaBen]

We are up to 3 points and 1 possession that was stolen from us by the refs. It is hard enough for us to win this game but to have to beat Kansas and the refs? $%(##@)

3 points? Where's the 3rd point come from? There's the 2 that KU got after the first blown shot clock, and the possession on the last blown shot clock.

[SIUDAWG02]

3 points? Where's the 3rd point come from? There's the 2 that KU got after the first blown shot clock, and the possession on the last blown shot clock.
try goal tending when tatum shot and they made him shoot two free throws instead of one

[Hein72]

Goal Tending, made both free throws so would have been a 3 point play instead of 2. SIU has to start scoring and getting some stops. Someone needs to step up and take a charge or something.

[Ace Dad]

Quit crying about the refs. This game is going exactly how it needs to go for SIU to win.

[go bluejayss]

try goal tending when tatum shot and they made him shoot two free throws instead of one

anouncers were even saying that it shouldve been goaltending. come on:valley:

[shockball]

Quit crying about the refs. This game is going exactly how it needs to go for SIU to win.

You sound like another poster who used to frequent this site. :-)

[azbirdfan]

Guys, come on. I know this is a huge, emotional game but please don't blame it on the refs! Every game has multiple calls that could have gone either way. This is a great game to watch but it's starting to not look good.

Come on Dawgs!!!!

[azbirdfan]

HUGE SHOT FOR TATUM!!
Timeout KU.....
:salukis:

[Ace Dad]

Its basketball. Refs blow calls. The ball bounces funny.

SIU is down by two with a little over a minute. Kansas fans are about to xhix on themselves.

[ISUMatt]

CMON DAWGS D IT UP!!!

[WSUbballer]

God, I hope it's not too little, too late.

[Ace Dad]

37 secs and only a one point lead. Trust me, the Jayhawks are so tight right now that no one will want the ball.

Go SIU!

[Hein72]

GET A FREAKING STOP!!!

[SycamoresRule]

S-I-U! S-I-U! C'MON DAWGS!!!:salukis: :salukis: :salukis:

[ISUMatt]

Get the easy 2...and FOUL!!!

[shockball]

Tremendous job by the ugly dawgs! All I want is just a little more.:salukis:

[WSUbballer]

37 secs and only a one point lead. Trust me, the Jayhawks are so tight right now that no one will want the ball.

Go SIU!

They're even tighter at the free throw line. SIU should have fouled KU IMO.

[tennis08tarheels]

Call a F****** technical!!

[SycamoresRule]

damn

[azbirdfan]

technical for what?

[ISUMatt]

Great job SIU...GREAT JOB!!!

[SIUDAWG02]

Kansas better thank the refs for this one

[tennis08tarheels]

The KU player went up and hung on the rim when there was no ball there. SIU got cheated.

[OmahaBen]

Call a F****** technical!!

For what?

[mproviz]

SIU totally let up the last 5 minutes

[Ace Dad]

Great job SIU. The nation now knows you belong among the elites.

The refs did not beat SIU. Hit some first half threes make a couple of put backs and it is a different game.

[SIUDAWG02]

Two missed obvious goal tending calls and a called shot clock violation when the ball hits the rim? Come on thats rediculous its not like im btching about fouls!

[Hein72]

Well fought. SIU did the Valley proud. SIU couldnt have gotten much of a better look there just couldnt get it to fall. :salukis:

Edit- I think the refs did decent. 3 missed calls but you guys have to admit that 2 of them would be very tough to see real time. SIU just couldnt get a stop at the end of the game when they needed. The SIU D let them down.

[OmahaBen]

The KU player went up and hung on the rim when there was no ball there. SIU got cheated.

That would've been an extremely weak technical.

No, SIU missed too many open shots. Falker missing two dunks in the first half and Mullins missing the layup (and Tatum the follow) spring immediately to mind, let alone the open 3's.

Too bad SIU's shooters caught whatever Dane Watts had last weekend. That was some ugly outside shooting.

[Aegyptus]

I guess we will call that a win? It was within the Ref's margin of error?

[hro]

Well, who would have guessed that the referee calls would total up the margin of victory (two points on that gift for KU after the shot clock had expired, and potentially one point when Tatum got fouled and goaltending was not called).

[DJShocker10]

I'll give SIU a 5 point win in that game. Considering 2 shot clock screwjobs (1. The KU dunk--2. The SIU jumpshot that grazed the rim), goaltending, and the charge on Falker. That is (assuming SIU takes advantage) 8 points taken away from KU or added to SIU's score. Therefore, you guys won by 5. You guys received less than you deserved, and you deserved to be among the remaining 8 teams.

Here's a tip of the hat from a Shocker fan.

:salukis:

[WSUbballer]

Good effort SIU.

This is what happens when BCS power schools pay refs a nice lil advance pre-tipoff. The funny thing was it was so obvious too.

[tennis08tarheels]

WSUBBaller, change the caption of your sig to "Referees hard at work during the Sweet 16 game between SIU and Kansas."

[BearsFan25]

Great effort SIU. Too many errors down the stretch and too many missed shots early. Losing by only 3 and not playing your best game is impressive.

[BearsCountry]

Self must have listened to his buddy Hinson too much before this game. To beat SIU - play zone, press, and run.

[WSUbballer]

WSUBBaller, change the caption of your sig to "Referees hard at work during the Sweet 16 game between SIU and Kansas."
:lol:

[shroomcap]

Great job SIU. The nation now knows you belong among the elites.

The refs did not beat SIU. Hit some first half threes make a couple of put backs and it is a different game.

It wasn't a total screw job by the refs, but you could tell even Bilas knew which way the wind was blowin. Let's face it, for a MVC team to beat Kansas in that situation by two points, they have to actually beat them by 6-10 points. Great season by the Salukis tho.

[Aegyptus]

The funny thing was it was so obvious too.

It was obvious. The 2 shot clock violations were crystal clear on TV when they happened. And the goal tend was obvious, but they just missed it. Do you think there will be an apology or anything?

I am not saying Kansas would not have won that game anyway, maybe they do. But how many millions of dollars are on the line, not to mention the heart, soul, blood and tears of the entire Saluki team, to make obvious mistakes like that. I think there should be some kind of compensation to the Saluki's even if it is just an apology.

[Cdizzle]

Man, I've never been a fan of SIU complaining about officiating, but you guys got jobbed. Congrats on a hell of a year. I thought the on the floor officiating was pretty good, but those missed goal-tends and shot clocks give SIU five more. If you're at the line instead of KU at the end, you win by 7. Good game fellas.

:shockers: :valley:

[SalukiProf]

Hey folks, quit the ******** about the refs and celebrate a fine season and a glorious, but ultimately gutting loss. Calls are missed in every game - but they would not have mattered had we hit all our foul shots or shot reasonably well. Grats to the Jayhawks!

[hro]

It really is a hard one to take; had Kansas on the ropes for the whole game and were unable to come all the way back (the missed layup by Mullins and putback by Tatum that would have given them the lead really hurt).

Despite the deficiencies by the referees, SIU should have won. If the open shots and dunks go down, SIU would have won, that was what turned out to be the difference in the game. To shoot as badly as they did and still only lose by three points does say a lot about the defensive intensity by the Salukis, holding Kansas to only 61 points.

Once the fouls started to pile up for the Salukis, it looked like Kansas was taking it in pretty much every possession (i don't think that KU shot more than two or three 3 pointers the entire second half), taking the aggressiveness out of the defense. The lack of depth (especially in the front court) is something that will need to be fixed (and looks like help is on the way).

Hopefully we will return next year and seek vengeance (although it will be hard to replace Tatum and Young).

[1972Shocker]

SIU probably deserved to win that game more than KU did, but the basketball Gods just did not shine on them. Seemed like most of the missed calls went against SIU. KU's achilles heel, its free throw shooting, almost cost them big time. It will eventually if they keep playing close games.

SIU did hurt itself with the two missed layups after Mullins steal late in the game.

Congrats to the Dawgs on a great season and a great run and effort in the NCAA Tournament. Their defense and effort tonight was just outstanding.
Jamal Tatum was the best player on the floor tonight.

No one, and I mean no one, plays harder from buzzer to buzzer than the Salukis. I suspect if you ask KU (and most of SIU's other opponents) for the definition of 40 Minutes of Hell it would be facing SIU's defensive pressure.

Again, great season Salukis. Hold your heads high and thanks for representing the MVC with such a strong showing.

[Aegyptus]

Hey folks, quit the ******** about the refs and celebrate a fine season and a glorious, but ultimately gutting loss. Calls are missed in every game - but they would not have mattered had we hit all our foul shots or shot reasonably well. Grats to the Jayhawks!

Foul shots are missed in every game, too. You know that going in. Falker actually made pretty many tonight, given his norm.

But when you walk onto that floor you expect (and demand) an evenly called game and that the refs will not make any mistakes, that is there job. Do they make mistakes? Sure. In this game they made at least 3 major mistakes that all happened to go against the Salukis. If I were to do that in my job, I would be fired. The NCAA should take action.

I am proud of Dawgs. Dam proud. But it could have just as easily been us moving on. I am happy everyone is congratulating us, but switch the slipper for a second. Let's say KU loses by 3 and has the same calls go against them. There would be a Congressional Investigation. Bilas and everyone else would walk talk about how Kansas was cheated for weeks.

[WSUbballer]

Hey folks, quit the ******** about the refs and celebrate a fine season and a glorious, but ultimately gutting loss. Calls are missed in every game - but they would not have mattered had we hit all our foul shots or shot reasonably well. Grats to the Jayhawks!
The funny thing is no one's bitching about foul calls or anything. We're bitching about basic fundamental basketball like:

1.) You aren't allowed to get a basket when the ball is clearly in your hands when the shot clock has expired.

2.) You aren't allowed to interfere with the rim of an opposiing team's basket after the opposing team releases a shot.

Basic stuff.

I'll also admit though that the Mullins layup miss was huge. Perhaps, SIU would have had a better play, ala a Christian Leitner type play, if they were only down 1.

It sucks.

Still a great game and year, Salukis.

[WSUbballer]

It was obvious. The 2 shot clock violations were crystal clear on TV when they happened. And the goal tend was obvious, but they just missed it. Do you think there will be an apology or anything?

I am not saying Kansas would not have won that game anyway, maybe they do. But how many millions of dollars are on the line, not to mention the heart, soul, blood and tears of the entire Saluki team, to make obvious mistakes like that. I think there should be some kind of compensation to the Saluki's even if it is just an apology.

I see what you're saying and pretty much agree. However, I doubt anything will come out of this. The team that's gonna produce more green for the NCAA won, so they are happy.

[Dawgbit]

We got Xaviered.

[BMull10]

Heart broken.

[tennis08tarheels]

We got Xaviered.

BCS-ed.

[Ace Dad]

SIU has probably won 3-4 games this year when the refs' calls or the bounce went their way. C'mon. It was a one possession game. Did you see the end of the Memphis-Tex AM game? The refs make the call and we live with it.

I did get a couple of emails from KU fans or alums telling me that SIU fouls a lot. My response was "I know." :)

Great season. Quit whining. Ugly Dawgs rule!

[MVC Fan]

The funny thing is no one's bitching about foul calls or anything. We're bitching about basic fundamental basketball like:

1.) You aren't allowed to get a basket when the ball is clearly in your hands when the shot clock has expired.

2.) You aren't allowed to interfere with the rim of an opposiing team's basket after the opposing team releases a shot.

Basic stuff.

I'll also admit though that the Mullins layup miss was huge. Perhaps, SIU would have had a better play, ala a Christian Leitner type play, if they were only down 1.

It sucks.

Still a great game and year, Salukis.

Right, you & cdizzle nailed it. The officiating of the game wasn't the problem. It's simply making the right call on plays so obvious you could see them on TV. SIU got the wrong end on 3 such plays, and coincidentally those plays made up a minimum of the difference in the final score. Fans have every right to be upset at supposedly high-level officials missing simple calls.

[Ace Dad]

MVC Fan:

I saw a couple of "make-up" calls during the game that did not have to be called.

This whole discussion is borderline ridiculous.

[tennis08tarheels]

MVC Fan:

I saw a couple of "make-up" calls during the game that did not have to be called.

This whole discussion is borderline ridiculous.

You don't have to post on this thread if you find it ridiculous.

[smsandmsuson]

Now that is how a team is suppose to play. Great game Dawgs.

[shockball]

KU knows they were lucky to get out of this game with a win. They got a real education on how tough SIU is. I wish the outcome would have been different.

They were so lucky.

[Ace Dad]

Yeah, I should not post. Better to whine and cry over a dynamic of a game that counts: the officials.

There are too many biased eyes making assessments. Seems as if we all missed the calls or ref decisions that went to SIU that could have went either way.

Again, if SIU hits some earlier threes and makes the layup and a couple of putbacks, different game.

[WSUbballer]

MVC Fan:

I saw a couple of "make-up" calls during the game that did not have to be called.

This whole discussion is borderline ridiculous.

It's not hard stuff AceDad. These 3 guys get paid nice chunks of $$$ and are expected to bring their "A" games, especially in the Sweet 16. There are paid to make sure the game is played in the format and rules set by the NCAA. These weren't foul calls. There weren't borderline violations. These were obvious, so obvious that 5 minutes after fact, Jay Bilas was still analyzing replays about them. Foul calls are mostly a matter of one's own opinion and interpretation. There's nothing to interpret about these missed "bunnies".

[Aegyptus]

Great season. Quit whining.

This is the problem with the Valley. Look it was a great game between 2 awesome teams, either one of which is good enough to win the whole tournament. Kansas wins and has all the calls go there way.

Like I said, I am not blaming the whole loss on the Refs. If Mullins makes the layup or Tatum the follow or Young decides not to shoot the ball 14 times from 3, we may have won anyway.

But, we lose.

Now, how do we respond to that? - - - Congrats SIU, great season.

Why do we say that? Because we have low expectations. Everyone, even me, expected Kansas to win that game and when they did ... Congrats SIU.

Let's say SIU was the exact same team but in the Big 12 or Big 10 instead of the Valley. Do we have the same response? I highly doubt it.

Now, as to the ref's. A BCS school would not stand for that, period. This is not just any game in the middle of the season like Mo. State's loss at SLU. This is for a trip to the Sweet Sixteen. National name recognition, enrollment boost, $$$$, respect, etc. A BCS school or league in the same position would demand something, even if an apology, in return from the NCAA. We should do the same. Our AD's and Elgin should call for an investigation from the NCAA. Do I think the ref's intentionally cheated? Nope. But that is not the point. It is about respect and being treated fairly on the big stage.

We have so much to learn before we can be a major conference.

[Ace Dad]

A BCS school or league in the same position would demand something, even if an apology, in return from the NCAA. We should do the same. Our AD's and Elgin should call for an investigation from the NCAA. Do I think the ref's intentionally cheated? Nope. But that is not the point. It is about respect and being treated fairly on the big stage.


Yup, as I said earlier, some of us are not ready for the big stage. Complain to who and about what? Go back and watch the first 39 minutes of the game and tell me how many times a "neutral" call went to SIU.

[pawball]

Great game Dawgs. This is the best, most competitive game I have seen a Valley team play in a Sweet 16 match-up (considering you were playing a #1 seed). Tatum was nails down the stretch with his pull-ups. A trey here or there in the first half or second and you'd of probably had it. Salutes to Tatum and Young for many fine memories....it's a Saluki brand of ball, and those two really put it all out there on the line. No apologies accepted, these guys do it how I love to see great, fundamental ball played. Balls to the wall all the way.

[MetDrakeFan]

Helluva game SIU, and while I hated you earlier in the year, I love you guys now! That game was there fro the taking, and I won't be surprised if Kansas wins it all...lots of opportunities, and we *almost* did it! (now you know what it's like being a Drake fan, when you *almost* win big games) :lol: Here's to you Salukis! :salukis: :salukis: :banana:

KU fans' complimentary quotes about our Dogs.

"I think we need to start scheduling the MVC every year from now on! I think it would be great for the Big 12 and MVC. I've always had respect for the MVC, but the last two years it has definitely exceeded my highest expectations of that conference. What a great conference, what a great school, and what a great coach in Lowry. Bill Self has to figure out how to play against these schools."

""Pitt and UCLA are both tough defensive teams too, but I think they'll be a little less thuggish! I'm just glad we played ugly and still got the win."

What does that mean? A little less thuggish. I don't think of their players were thugs. They were just tough to your nails in your snot every minute of the game. We should learn something from SIU."

"Maybe a Big-12/MVC challenge would be a good matchup each year."

"...but ku won a very very very hard battle and i dont think there is another team that plays defense like that...."

"And I thought we play good defense. Man, that was some up-in-your-grill basketball. I definitely think we weathered THE test...no one from here on out is going to play that stifling type of D against us...not even UCLA."

"wow there are a lot of nervous fans on here! i of course was close to crappin my pants but it feels good to get outta this with a win! also i personally underestimated siu's defense, they showed what theyre about! congrats for a good season and a nice run in the tourney. now lets finish this thing and get to the dirty south so we can take care of business!"\

"There was a full 4 point swing of blatantly poor clock calls that they had a legitimate gripe about.
They are a great team. We were lucky to have pulled this one out - but I'll take it."

"Let's not just cut KU down. I think they were prepared, but I think SIU was SO good defensively that we were a little shell shocked. KU was tough, did not panic, and made key adjustments down the strecth and found a way to get a big win. This team has guts, they are tough as hell, and they do not panic. They beat a damn good team that was tough and probably the best defensive team in the country...... "



And finally a pre-game quote from Brandon Rush: “People think just because their name is ‘Southern Illinois’ they are a lower class team. They are not a mid-major. The way they have played the last few weeks, they are not a mid-major anymore.”

[WSUbballer]

A BCS school or league in the same position would demand something, even if an apology, in return from the NCAA. We should do the same. Our AD's and Elgin should call for an investigation from the NCAA. Do I think the ref's intentionally cheated? Nope. But that is not the point. It is about respect and being treated fairly on the big stage.


Yup, as I said earlier, some of us are not ready for the big stage. Complain to who and about what? Go back and watch the first 39 minutes of the game and tell me how many times a "neutral" call went to SIU.

AceDad, you've lost me tonight man.

Are you implying BCS fans don't whine and complain about officiating?
This isn't about your usual foul bitching, this is about basic basketball rules. Rah, rah, rah, rah, you can say focus more on the first 39 minutes, but it is what it is. Everything we're talking about has to do within the first 39 minutes of the game, the first 20 minutes to be exact.

[kyyle23]

Who would have thunk it? WSUBBaller defending SIU vs Acedad?

If this isnt the twilight zone, I dont know what is.

[getreal4]

Great Season Uglies. Please send a tape of this game to Drake's new coach for defensive teaching purposes. :grin: Great defensive effort.

[WSUbballer]

Who would have thunk it? WSUBBaller defending SIU vs Acedad?

If this isnt the twilight zone, I dont know what is.

Hey now.

I'm no Cold et all. I've never mindlessly bashed on SIU for anything.. Geez..

[Dawgbit]

A BCS school or league in the same position would demand something, even if an apology, in return from the NCAA. We should do the same. Our AD's and Elgin should call for an investigation from the NCAA. Do I think the ref's intentionally cheated? Nope. But that is not the point. It is about respect and being treated fairly on the big stage.


Yup, as I said earlier, some of us are not ready for the big stage. Complain to who and about what? Go back and watch the first 39 minutes of the game and tell me how many times a "neutral" call went to SIU.

I understand what you are saying, "judgement calls" are just part of the game. But when a player dunks a ball after the shot clock has expired, and even the pro-BCS TV announcers call out the refs???:no:

The NCAA/CBS wants the #1 seeds in the tourney all the way to the final four. Period.

[MetDrakeFan]

Speaking of tapes, if any of my Drake friends have this game on tape, or anyone at all for that matter, I would love to see the whole game without CBS cutting most of it off in favor of the T-AM vs Memphis game (which really pissed me off).

[DJShocker10]

AceDad, you've lost me tonight man.

Are you implying BCS fans don't whine and complain about officiating?
This isn't about your usual foul bitching, this is about basic basketball rules. Rah, rah, rah, rah, you can say focus more on the first 39 minutes, but it is what it is. Everything we're talking about has to do within the first 39 minutes of the game, the first 20 minutes to be exact.

That's because they never have to, unless they're playing another BCS school.

[MinnesotaDawg]

Speaking of the commentators - I just love that over at phog.net all of the posters are bitching about Bilas' "pro SIU" game calling - speaking as someone who has endured ridiculously uninformed commentary in every national game this year, I was very happy with the level of balance and knowledge in the Enberg/Bilas call of this game. Very even, very accurate, very fair. It redeemed CBS a little bit after a whole tournament of disrespect from the national media. And I mean that - ESPN, CBS, etc. really showed their stripes with the notable exceptions of Bilas and Whelliston, who at least gave us a fair shake. Whelliston, of course, gets ghettoized as the "mid major guy" for ESPN.com, but his work on midmajority proves he is more serious about his basketball than Digger, Packer, Nantz, Vitale, and the rest of the BCS cheerleader working for the east coast network and CBS.

[jaypharmalum]

What a great game to watch for an MVC fan as the respect for the conference grows with performances like tonight.

If Wright's dunk doesn't count and Tatum's tip goes in, who know what happens. Just like if Nevada hadn't banked in a 3 pointer at the end of the 1st half against Creighton, maybe it would have all turned out differently. SIU and the MVC had a great season - looking forward to 07-08.

Hard to say, but I am proud of the Dawgs tonight.

:valley:

[XSaluki]

Speaking of the commentators - I just love that over at phog.net all of the posters are bitching about Bilas' "pro SIU" game calling - speaking as someone who has endured ridiculously uninformed commentary in every national game this year, I was very happy with the level of balance and knowledge in the Enberg/Bilas call of this game. Very even, very accurate, very fair. It redeemed CBS a little bit after a whole tournament of disrespect from the national media. And I mean that - ESPN, CBS, etc. really showed their stripes with the notable exceptions of Bilas and Whelliston, who at least gave us a fair shake. Whelliston, of course, gets ghettoized as the "mid major guy" for ESPN.com, but his work on midmajority proves he is more serious about his basketball than Digger, Packer, Nantz, Vitale, and the rest of the BCS cheerleader working for the east coast network and CBS.
Since the loss at Indiana where Jay called the game, he has been drinking maroon koolaid. I thought it was a Bilas Saluki infomercial and it was refreshing for once to hear a Valley school getting the treatment.

[gosalukie]

Great game dawgs! This team was too good to be happy with just a close game, but still a great season and they made believers out of a lot of people tonight. Back to back turnovers late when we had a lead really hurt.....the late dunk and no goaltend sure didn't help either.............can't wait till next year.

:salukis: :salukis: :salukis: :salukis: :salukis: :salukis: :salukis: :salukis:

[newshock1234]

Thanks SIU, you played a hell of a game. You guys got royally screwed. We all know who the real winners are. Thanks for making the valley a proud Conference.

[kyyle23]

Hey now.

I'm no Cold et all. I've never mindlessly bashed on SIU for anything.. Geez..

Hey now, Im just joking with you. Im sure you will find similar posts in the archives from last year Wichita St Sweet 16 game where fans were arguing over a team they didnt even cheer for. I just pointed it out because it was funny.

I didnt call you Cold, backerdown. :grin:

[MetDrakeFan]

somoe more...

"No matter who we play next....it will be like a vacation."

"Yeah- I doubt UCLA or Pitt has that kind of D-- we should cruise."

"That game can only help KU. Over the last four weeks, I can't think there is anything UCLA will throw at KU that they haven't seen. Thanks for the lesson SIU. I hope we use it wisely. "

"Wow! Great game, Salukis. You should be proud of your team. I really didn't think there'd be that big of a difference between KU's D and SIU's D, but the way you guys play lived up to the hype and more. I see final fours in SIU's future. Not GMU "cinderella" runs either."

"Amen to that."

"MAD respect"

"Holy Mackerel!!! Tough team! ons of respect."

"You gave us a good game. You should be proud with how well your team played and, yes, they did live up to the great D claim. I'm going to the hospital now!"

"RESPECT! Tatum is amazing."

"Much respect to SIU. SIU fans should be proud, they played with heart and intensity. I never want to play them again."

"What an ugly [censored] win. And a moral victory for SIU, whom we should have blown out by 20. God save us from playing any more Missouri Valley teams in the tournament."

and this one when regarding a home and home with SIU
"I agree, they're definitely going to get some looks they wouldn't have before, but ultimately, I think we have more to gain from a preparation standpoint than we have to lose from a recruiting standpoint. Coming up against the defense once a year would be great for us...even if we lose. Come tournament time, we'll have had a chance to face that kind of tenacious d."

[WSUbballer]

Hey now, Im just joking with you. Im sure you will find similar posts in the archives from last year Wichita St Sweet 16 game where fans were arguing over a team they didnt even cheer for. I just pointed it out because it was funny.

I didnt call you Cold, backerdown. :grin:

I see what you're saying now. :banghead:

[MinnesotaDawg]

Since the loss at Indiana where Jay called the game, he has been drinking maroon koolaid. I thought it was a Bilas Saluki infomercial and it was refreshing for once to hear a Valley school getting the treatment.

Maybe we should give some kool aid to Lavin, Vitale, Digger, Billy .....

But seriously, SIU should hire him to do infomercials for the school!

[DoubleJayAlum]

I actually thought the key play as the game wound down was Falker's double clutch pass after a huge rebound. The double-clutch, or whatever you want to call it, led to a turnover and a KU basket. He holds the ball instead and maybe there is a different outcome.

Anyway, as I said in the other thread, Great Game Salukis. You made all of the Valley proud. Congrats on a wonderful season.

[MSNSaluki]

I hope my check to Bilas clears!:lol:

I can't believe how much love JB gave the Salukis tonight. Hell, he just called them the best defensive team he's seen all year ... midway through the second half of the Pitt/UCLA game.

[dakyne]

Wow, I haven't read all the posts, but MVC fans truly showed some love for the Salukis. And so did KU fans AFTER the game. Pre-game? Well, let's just say thanks for driving the line up.

I was depressed for several days, but at least I walked away from San Jose a little heavier in the wallet.

Salukis were awesome, and it was an awesome experience. And thanks to the true MVC fans out there.