What player is considered top recruit in MVC?

[goaces]

Just curious to hear from the Valley faithful who might be considered the top recruit to join our league this year.:valley: :valley: :banana:

[DoubleJayAlum]

P'Allen Stinnet of Creighton (out of Brewster Academy). According to the recruiting services, he would seem to be the highest rated recruit. P'Allen is already on campus playing pickup games with the current players.

Kenton Walker of Creighton is also listed in the Rivals top 150.

[NewEra]

P'Allen Stinnet of Creighton (out of Brewster Academy). According to the recruiting services, he would seem to be the highest rated recruit. P'Allen is already on campus playing pickup games with the current players.

Kenton Walker of Creighton is also listed in the Rivals top 150.

This site offers a different opion

http://www.hoopscooponline.com/members/area1.asp

If you look at his rankings for top new england players for 07 Evan Baker is second team and P'Allen is third team. Doesn't really matter though because Evan told Marshall he needed time to think about honoring his LOI to Wichita State now that Turgeon is gone. I don't think he will end up in Wichita.

[underdawg2]

FayJesusFay---you'll find out, soon:naughty: :lol:

[BostonBird]

its gotta be Alex Rubin.

[MoValley John]

Mike Oxlong.

[Canevision]

Tomas Brock, MSU :bears:

[SubGod22]

Evann Baker......if he shows up

[LincolnJay]

How many 4 star recruits in the Valley right now? Answer: Two, P'Allen Stinnett of Creighton and Kenny Lawon of Creighton.

How many RIvals Top 150 in the Valley right now:

Ogirri of WSU
Stinnett of CU
Miles of CU
Millard of CU
Walker of CU

May be a couple others.

{Lawson was 4 star at Scout, #21 center in the nation}.

Other sites have some kids as top flight recruits but few of the major sites so please no Phillip Thomasson's as a Top 150 at Chuck and Dave's Recruiting Extravaganze site please while having no ranking at Rivals or Scout.

JUCO's don't count as the juco ranks have sucked the last 5 plus years since kids go to prep schools now instead of going to juco to preserve their 4 years of eligibility so please don't list any juco rankings.

[TNMSUFAN]

Drew Richards was a Top 150 guy on Rivals also

Ratings are nice but we all know what they are worth. Tatum and Falker were/are two of the best players in the league and they were both 0 star recruits on Rivals and 2 Star recruits on ScoutHoops.

CU has done a great job getting some high level recruits and it will be interesting to see how good they are

[brocks]

"considered" the top . . . who knows? The guy who will wind up contributing the most? Sammy Maniscalco, BU.

[NewEra]

Look where P.S. is rated and where Evan Baker is rated. Who is higher? Of course this site probably isn't legit in LJ's eyes.:naughty:

http://www.hoopscooponline.com/members/area1.asp

One problem though, Evan has told Marshall that he would like to think about whether or not he wants to honor his LOI. I got the feeling he aint showing up, but for now he is still signed and is rated higher.

[Clawinball]

The MOSTATE JUCO DUO are going to blow your minds ! :clap: :bears:

[troutangler]

The MOSTATE JUCO DUO are going to blow your minds ! :clap: :bears:

I doubt that, but we'll see. They do have to play for Bozo Barry.

[WSUfan]

How many 4 star recruits in the Valley right now? Answer: Two, P'Allen Stinnett of Creighton and Kenny Lawon of Creighton.

How many RIvals Top 150 in the Valley right now:

Ogirri of WSU
Stinnett of CU
Miles of CU
Millard of CU
Walker of CU

May be a couple others.

{Lawson was 4 star at Scout, #21 center in the nation}.

Other sites have some kids as top flight recruits but few of the major sites so please no Phillip Thomasson's as a Top 150 at Chuck and Dave's Recruiting Extravaganze site please while having no ranking at Rivals or Scout.

JUCO's don't count as the juco ranks have sucked the last 5 plus years since kids go to prep schools now instead of going to juco to preserve their 4 years of eligibility so please don't list any juco rankings.

We should just cancel the MBB season and hand the crown to Creighton.
:jays: > :valley:

[MoValley John]

We should just cancel the MBB season and hand the crown to Creighton.
:jays: > :valley:

Crown their arse? I thought you only did that to the Bears.

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[Ron Mexico]

Richards was as high as 109 at one time I believe.

[salukibob]

FayJesusFay---you'll find out, soon:naughty: :lol:

I certainly would subscribe to that rating service!!! :salukis: :clap:

[LincolnJay]

Pretty funny that people poo-poo rankings when it doesn't fit their team's situation.

Anyway, the question was who is the best recruit and the answer is who knows until the end of the season. However, I'll take a bunch of kids being rated highly and know the chances are good that at least a couple will be top flight. Miles is the only one of the CU kids who has played so far and right now I'm glad we have him!

PS - In 2004, Richards was #110 and Ogirri #128 in the final Rivals Top 150. In 2005, Chad Millard was #106, in 2006, Isacc Miles was #133 and in 2007, P'Allen Stinnett is #91 and Kenton Walker is #148.

[thomasj316]

Pretty funny that people poo-poo rankings when it doesn't fit their team's situation.


that's what you did at the top of the thread:

JUCO's don't count as the juco ranks have sucked the last 5 plus years since kids go to prep schools now instead of going to juco to preserve their 4 years of eligibility so please don't list any juco rankings.

[kcshocker]

We should just cancel the MBB season and hand the crown to Creighton.
:jays: > :valley:


Again!

OR MAYBE We should change the name of the Missouri Valley to Creighton Valley Farms!:valley: :ermm:

[MSNSaluki]

Getting a hard-on over kids who have yet to play a Division I basketball game is absolutely ridiculous.

[LincolnJay]

that's what you did at the top of the thread:

I didn't poo-poo rankings - I poo-poo'ed juco players who are not of the same quality as juco's in the mid 90's or so since better players don't go to juco anymore when their grades suck, they go to prep school. Take Angelo Johnson from MN. This kid was on CU's radar as a senior per Rivals THREE YEARS AGO AND HE STILL ISN'T IN COLLEGE YET. The kid will literally be about 21 when he starts college next year {USC?}. He just keeps going back to prep school year after year. :shutup:

[shockershow]

Getting a hard-on over kids who have yet to play a Division I basketball game is absolutely ridiculous.

But getting a hard-on in general is awesome. :clap:

[MSNSaluki]

But getting a hard-on in general is awesome. :clap:

I can't argue that.

[Dawgbit]

[QUOTE=TNMSUFAN]Drew Richards was a Top 150 guy on Rivals also

Ratings are nice but we all know what they are worth. Tatum and Falker were/are two of the best players in the league and they were both 0 star recruits on Rivals and 2 Star recruits on ScoutHoops.

And I believe most fans would take Falker over Richards at this point.

[salukibob]

[QUOTE=TNMSUFAN]Drew Richards was a Top 150 guy on Rivals also

Ratings are nice but we all know what they are worth. Tatum and Falker were/are two of the best players in the league and they were both 0 star recruits on Rivals and 2 Star recruits on ScoutHoops.

And I believe most fans would take Falker over Richards at this point.

And didn't Tatum win some kind of an MVC award this past season? :innocent:

[troutangler]

[QUOTE=TNMSUFAN]Drew Richards was a Top 150 guy on Rivals also

Ratings are nice but we all know what they are worth. Tatum and Falker were/are two of the best players in the league and they were both 0 star recruits on Rivals and 2 Star recruits on ScoutHoops.

And I believe most fans would take Falker over Richards at this point.

I think that was his point - That Falker and Tatum weren't highly rated but are two of the best players in the league.

I guess that went over your head.

[goaces]

[QUOTE=Dawgbit]

And didn't Tatum win some kind of an MVC award this past season? :innocent:

What great players Tatum and Falker are. Loved seeing them play. SIU does a great job in evaluating talent for the system they play. Here's hoping Marty can do the same at UE. :banana:

[DR222]

Just curious to hear from the Valley faithful who might be considered the top recruit to join our league this year.


To quote a longstanding MVC Assistant Coach, "I'll tell you in five years".



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...:cool:

[dakyne]

Based on the 5 year criteria, SIU has the best recruits in the last 6 years.

After the top 30 or so, rankings mean squat. Ogirri has been good, but could be a cast off due to holes in his game, and a new coach. Richards is starting by default, as MSU has no other players over 6'5".

Meanwhile, Tatum was MVC POY and getting NBA looks, while Falker is the favorite to be the next MVC POY. Tatum had some decent offers out of high school, but even Falker was surprised he had a schollie offer.

So unless your name is OJ, or Lebron or Melo, Oden, or Durant, success at the next level(s) is not a given.

[DawgieStyle]

you know what you can typically do with HS recruit rating systems?

Whipe your butt with them.

[WSUbballer]

Whipe your butt with them.

Is the "h" silent?

[DawgieStyle]

Is the "h" silent?

apperently..my bad.

[WSUbballer]

apperently..my bad.

It's alright.. I get pretty bored in the off-season, so I tend to work for the grammar/spelling police a little more often.

[DawgieStyle]

It's alright.. I get pretty bored in the off-season, so I tend to work for the grammar/spelling police a little more often.

its cool, spelling is the furthest thing from my mind right now....just swamped. I shouldn't even be posting on VT, im too busy, but I need some type of sanity.

[scrove]

its cool, spelling is the furthest thing from my mind right now....just swamped. I shouldn't even be posting on VT, im too busy, but I need some type of sanity.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Wrong place for that!

[DawgieStyle]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Wrong place for that!

sort of, but after 2500 plus post, its some sort of normalcy, and watching MVJ and the likes hand gosmsgo his butt everyday makes it worth it and theraputic.

[PurpleRedbird]

I think it's Jank convincing Eldridge to stay at ISU. From what OE has said, he was definitely ready to leave. :aces: :redbirds:

[Woodbox Gang]

If I'm not mistaken, it seems like every school in the Valley is beginning to sign higher rated recruits than they have in the past. Clearly the sustained success the league has enjoyed in the past several years is affecting each school's ability to reel in highly touted recruits. While recruiting services are very subjective and not all that accurate, it sure is nice when 4 star prospects sign LOI to play at your school. Regardless of national rankings, the level of talent of this incoming class of freshmen may be one of the highest in the recent history of the Valley.

How these recruits affect their respective teams this coming season as well as into the future remains to be seen. As of right now, they are all paper tigers, awaiting their opportunity. We have no way of determining right now who is the "best" recruit. Different players will fill different roles for different teams. Like some one said earlier, ask me again in five years and I'll have an answer.

[shockball]

I read somewhere that big things are expected of Drake recruit Howie Feltersnatch. GodFeltersnatchGod.

[MoValley John]

I read somewhere that big things are expected of Drake recruit Howie Feltersnatch. GodFeltersnatchGod.
:lol: :clap: :lol: :clap: :lol: :clap: :lol: :clap: :lol: :clap:
GodFeltersnatchGod!!!!

[Dawgbit]

[QUOTE=Dawgbit]

I think that was his point - That Falker and Tatum weren't highly rated but are two of the best players in the league.

I guess that went over your head.


No. my point was (is) that Falker who was unranked, is 9 times the player that Richards is.

[LincolnJay]

[QUOTE=troutangler]


No. my point was (is) that Falker who was unranked, is 9 times the player that Richards is.

Should be interesting to see how good Falker is without Tatum and Young drawing D's out due to their perimeter skills. I'm guessing he will still be tough but he is going to see a lot more collapsing D's this year til someone on the team can show that they are going to shoot the deep ball.

Mullins is average at best - Shaw surprisingly good but not to be feared - Bone has the rep but was frosh-inconsistent. Others?

[outpost]

Mullins is average at best - Shaw surprisingly good but not to be feared - Bone has the rep but was frosh-inconsistent. Others?

Average by what standard. MVC or D1 in general?

Just curious.

BTW, it's possible, just possible, that the best recruit may not actually be signed yet.

[MSNSaluki]

[QUOTE=Dawgbit]

Should be interesting to see how good Falker is without Tatum and Young drawing D's out due to their perimeter skills. I'm guessing he will still be tough but he is going to see a lot more collapsing D's this year til someone on the team can show that they are going to shoot the deep ball.

Mullins is average at best - Shaw surprisingly good but not to be feared - Bone has the rep but was frosh-inconsistent. Others?


Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see but I think SIU is in big trouble.
The upcoming season is when SIU is overtaken by the rest of the Valley.

[underdawg2]

mods--shouldn't this be in one of the several "abyss" threads?:lol: :valley:

[Aargh]

Mantas Griskenas.

Marshall signed him specifically to utilize a loophole in VT rules that bars jucos from any consideration. Griskenas is from Lithuania and there aren't any prep schools in Lithuania.

The fact that Griskenas is 6'7" and hit 45% of his treys last year was secondary. The real reason he was signed was for this thread.

[aceshigh]

I think Evansville may have the "sleeper" class of the conference with
Hopf, Van Hoose, and Garnes

Look for all three to have an impact in the valley next year!:clap:

[E-Ville]

I think Evansville may have the "sleeper" class of the conference with
Hopf, Van Hoose, and Garnes

Look for all three to have an impact in the valley next year!:clap:

They're going to have to be healthy to make an impact.

Hopf and Van Hoose are injured. It's not easy to fully recover from a knee injury when you are still young and growing. I hope the best for them because they seem like they will fit in well with our team. If Hopf returns healthy, he will see a great amount of minutes in the 5 spot. Van Hoose has an excellent looking shot. If we can penetrate with Lacey, Ely, and Holsinger--Van Hoose should be able to knock down the open shot.

Nate Garner and Kavon Lacey should add major strength that we have been lacking during the Merfeld era.

Without any extra signings (2 left), we are going to be depleted of big men. As of right now, we may be looking at:

Victor Gomez at the 5
Nate Garner at the 4

with our big men subs Pieter Van Tongeren and maybe Jay Couisnard filling in off the bench.

That is no way to keep MVC teams off the glass. :helpsmilie:

Marty may be saving his last scholarships for next year to hopefully bring in some better recruits. If that is the case, we might as well throw any hopes for post-season out the door, barring a Holsinger 25ppg effort.

As for best recruiting classes;

You gotta give it 2 Creighton for quality and Bradley for quantity.

[E-Ville]

The last two Evansville 3-Star recruits have played a total of 2 games in their college careers.

Dupree Fletcher-everyone knows that story

Tory Robertson-which I don't know if anyone knows that story, I sure don't. The late Eric Ottens told me Tory had as much athletic ability as he's ever seen. Certainly more than anybody on that Aces team. From what he told me, Tory wanted everything handed to him. I don't see how a compromise could not have been reached to at least give him a shot at a starting role.

[LincolnJay]

godGriskenasgod!! :banana:

[dogdays]

Mulllins is obviously not a huge offensive threat but is arguably the best point in the Valley.. most coaches that have played SIU rave about Mullins and how he controls the game and plays amazing D. Not sure "average at best" is a fair description. Regardless , we will take him.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

I think Evansville may have the "sleeper" class of the conference with
Hopf, Van Hoose, and Garnes

Look for all three to have an impact in the valley next year!:clap:

With how much Evansville lost this year, I'd hope those three will have a major impact next year. If none of them have an impact, UE may not be able to field a team.

Drake is in the same position after losing 4 starters. Drake has five guys coming in, and I could see three, maybe four of them starting.

[TrueBlueJay]

Mullins is a very good point guard. I think LJ meant that Mullins is an average outside shooter.

[underdawg2]

Mullins is a very good point guard. I think LJ meant that Mullins is an average outside shooter.

Actually he shot 36.8% from the three--> third best on the club after Tatum (40.8%) and Young (37.9%)--Shaw shot 35% from the arc but of course shot more 3's than Mullins (Mullins 76, Shaw 123 attempts).
If one shoots 36.6% from three it's like making 55% of one's two-pointers.

.368 X 10 three-point shot attempts= 11.04 points (3.68 threes made) . It takes 5.5 shots made out of 10 attempts to score 11 with 2 pointers. Just have Mullins shoot when open at the arc---I'll take that.

[SubGod22]

37% percent is average at best from 3. Spin the stats however you want though. Maybe I have higher standards than some but a good 3 point shooter should be over 43%. Personally, I was ashamed of myself if I ever shot under 45%.

[LincolnJay]

Yes, I was talking about shooting ability as that was the thrust of the argument - who is going to draw D's out away from Falker by being a deep ball threat? It was primarily Tatum last year.

Again, 36% is average for 3 point shooting.

[underdawg2]

37% percent is average at best from 3. Spin the stats however you want though. Maybe I have higher standards than some but a good 3 point shooter should be over 43%. Personally, I was ashamed of myself if I ever shot under 45%.

It's not spin it's math, and point total. The idea is to get the most points per shot---three pointers do that. If you were shooting 45% on threes, it's like shooting over 60% from two point range. You shouldn't have shot anything else but threes. You must have not been guarded by Young, Tatum or Mullins
:lol:

[MoValley John]

It's not spin it's math, and point total. The idea is to get the most points per shot---three pointers do that. If you were shooting 45% on threes, it's like shooting over 60% from two point range. You shouldn't have shot anything else but threes. You must have not been guarded by Young, Tatum or Mullins
:lol:

How does shooting three's vs. shooting two's change the percentage of second chance attempts and second chance points?

[DannyCooksey]

Mullins improved his shooting quite a bit last year. I'd say he's about average now, where his freshman year he was below average. I think he's improved for sure.

He's a very good PG also, but for my money the best in the Valley is Daniel Ruffin of BU.

Mullins plays a very solid game overall. Of course we know how good he is defensively, but he also is a smart player who protects the ball. I will add that he usually is a clutch player who makes big shots in big situations. Ask the fans at the Qwest Center last year for example.

As for Top Recruit in the MVC...........I think I'd lean toward Carlton Fay of SIU. But I haven't seen all of them play. The Stinnett kid for CU is supposed to be very good and even better and more highly regarded than O and Isaac Miles were a year ago. Time will tell.

:valley:

[Aargh]

WSU fans thought Marshall would sign either Sampay or Ejike Hart and he signed neither. That was quite a head-scratcher. Rumors are flying all over the place and the Nigerian connection is in the middle of all them. WSU has 3 schollies left.

This thread could get very interesting if the Nigerian pipeline begins flowing and LOI's can get worked out in time.

[SubGod22]

If the latest rumored Nigerian ends up being a Shocker he gets my vote for best recruit this year.

[LincolnJay]

And the rest of the Valley quakes in fear of a last second spring signee - give it a rest.:doh:

[Canevision]

And the rest of the Valley quakes in fear of a last second spring signee - give it a rest.:doh:

This is very true. Come on Shocks, every fan loves their latest recruit, but let's keep it tempered with the Nigerian pipeline of kids who are talented yes, but raw as an onion.

[MoValley John]

Whoever gets this SOB is gonna be in some tall cotton!

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[outpost]

And the rest of the Valley quakes in fear of a last second spring signee - give it a rest.:doh:

s t f u, all he posted was that it could get interesting. If you don't agree, go stand in your corner.