Sean Ogirri Leaving?

[NewEra]

http://www.wichitaeagle.com/240/story/61620.html

[iSASO]

The New Marshall in Town has had these things to say(paraphrasing) in his time here:

"We don't get tired"

Preparation will not be a problem"

"If you can't give 100%, you won't be playing"

"We will play with passion"

"We will play with energy"

"We will slap the floor and play defense"

[Dawgbit]

The New Marshall in Town has had these things to say(paraphrasing) in his time here:

"We don't get tired"

Preparation will not be a problem"

"If you can't give 100%, you won't be playing"

"We will play with passion"

"We will play with energy"

"We will slap the floor and play defense"

And how is that relevant to player(s) leaving the program?:ermm:

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

You obviously did not watch Sean play last year if your asking that.

[ShockerEngr]

"Sean's got to get healthy," Turgeon said in March. "Sean's got to do a lot of things, and a lot of them are off the court that we'll talk about. He's got to get more passionate about things in his life -- academics and basketball. It's got to mean more to him."

Sean's mind wasn't in the game a good portion of last season, something that hasn't and won't fit well if it stays the same. From the discussion, it sounds like he's wanting to try a fresh start. Whether that works, or whether it will just be running from problems is yet to see.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

This is the quote I found interesting with regards to redshirter Arbry Butler:

"He just wants me to step up and stop acting like a little kid," Butler said.

Marshall said he told Butler it's time for him to "man up and deal with your business."

"We're trying to salvage," Marshall said. "He had issues with the other coaching staff and with other areas of his life."

I wonder what those "issues" were.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

This is the part I found interesting:

WSU coach Greg Marshall knows about Ogirri's likely transfer -- but he was surprised to learn Thursday night that P.J. Couisnard's future may be in doubt, too.

Couisnard's name appears on the NBA early-entry list released Thursday.

"Wow," Marshall said, before excusing himself to call Couisnard.

So the coach just found out that one of his best returning players declared for the NBA draft even though most fans have known about it for some time? How does that happen?

[LincolnJay]

This is the part I found interesting:



So the coach just found out that one of his best returning players declared for the NBA draft even though most fans have known about it for some time? How does that happen?

I was thinking the same thing, huh?! :ermm:

[MikeKennedyRulz]

I think he was more surprised to see his name on the list on SI.Com. It was reported by the Eagle a day after Turg left that PJ was going to test the draft waters. I think Sean has greater issues than basketball and I think if he feels he needs to go somewhere else or get closer to his family to deal with it, he should do that. Because he will not be a whole lot of benefit to WSU next year if he hasn't cleared up these issues.

[shockerfan13]

With some of the stuff that Sean needs to deal with, it's probably better for him and the program if he does get a fresh start somewhere else, not just for basketball but for life. I was hoping he could overcome and get back to how he was the first 2 years here, but wish him the best if he can't.

[TrueBlueJay]

The new Marshall in town also had this to say when finding out his star player might be leaving the team.

"Wow"

I'm inspired.

[SubGod22]

Sean has officially been released.

[shockerfan13]

The new Marshall in town also had this to say when finding out his star player might be leaving the team.

"Wow"

I'm inspired.

So.....maybe he said that like every shocker fan did when we heard that information knowing it's a long shot. Keep looking for something to kick us for bluejay fans...you can do better than that!

[WSUbballer]

This was IMO pretty much expected after all the months of speculation.. As it was mentioned, Sean was considering this move as early as mid-season last year. The new coaching staff had little to do with this decision, although it probably didn't help.

It's a huge blow in terms of a potential weapon, but as with team chemistry, it might be for the best. He will be surely missed and I wish the best of luck to him.

P.S.: Iona?? That would be a serious step down in terms of level of competition and in-game experience. If he wants to score 20 points a game and be a one-man show, this will be the perfect fit for him, especially from a team that went like 1-28?? or something last year.

[rjl]

The new Marshall in town also had this to say when finding out his star player might be leaving the team.

"Wow"

I'm inspired.

PJ declared for the draft long before Marshall got here.

PJ knows, just like everyone else, that his chances of actually being drafted are slim and none. PJ's just doing it to work out with NBA scouts and see in what areas his weaknesses are so that he might be better equipped to strive for an NBA career after his senior season.

Not really a whole lot to it. That, coupled with the fact that Marshall has probably been in town for less than 24 hours total since his hiring, and there either wasn't a need to communicate what's going on or a chance to communicate what's going on.

The condescension is funny, though. But for a few kids in Arkansas not studying or breaking a few laws, CU would be in the exact same situation.

[Dawg_tired]

It appears that the shucker program is in some disarray right now. Ever have the feeling that Turgeon knew what was coming and split? Look at it this way. At least you won't have to put up with anymore "Get that kid a haircut" posts.

[rjl]

It appears that the shucker program is in some disarray right now. Ever have the feeling that Turgeon knew what was coming and split? Look at it this way. At least you won't have to put up with anymore "Get that kid a haircut" posts.

If that were the case, you'd have head coaches leaping from balconies every season.

[SubGod22]

And I still think this team will be stronger than last years team

[rjl]

And I still think this team will be stronger than last years team

I agree.

1-Gal
2-PJ
3- Griskenas
4-Clemente
5-Sampay/Hart

That's the lineup I've been predicting for the last few weeks, and that's the lineup I want to see.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

I thought Hart signed with Houston?

[SubGod22]

Hart hasn't been committed to Houston in a really long time from my understanding

[rjl]

I thought Hart signed with Houston?

No.

He verballed in 2005, but ended up staying in JUCO.

[shockerfan13]

It appears that the shucker program is in some disarray right now. Ever have the feeling that Turgeon knew what was coming and split? Look at it this way. At least you won't have to put up with anymore "Get that kid a haircut" posts.


Don't all of you Shocker haters wish LOL.

[XSaluki]

Marshall appears to know what needs to be done. WSU had talent last year and they should have enough again this year. Last year they played amazing at times, but there were defiinitely issues under the hood.

I think it is encouraging the way Marshall is sending the message that you either play (and get over yourself) or go. You need to start with a solid foundation from the gate.

Talent takes you so far, but you need players that will leave it all on the floor every game.

[tBU]

BU went through this stuff when Mo left...heck we are still going through some of it today. Its the nature of this business. Thats why I personally won't cast stones at WSU or anyone...karma is a *****.

Good luck WSU. Have met alot of good WSU fans at the Valley tournament over the years and they share the same thing most of us do...passion for our favorite team.

I hope you guys finish second this year....:valley: :grin:

[DoubleJayAlum]

It appears that the shucker program is in some disarray right now. Ever have the feeling that Turgeon knew what was coming and split?

Although the quote above could be worded in a less inflammatory way, I don't think the underlying question is unreasonable at this point. Personally, I don't think Ogirri's departure has much to do with the coaching change. If there is any truth to any of the rumors about SO, that is not exactly "forgive and forget" type of stuff, especially when teammates are involved. There does seems to be some sort of underlying drama in Wichita that probably did make Turgeon's decision an easier one to make. Add to that the lack of team depth due to recruiting misses the last few years, and leaving to start all over elsewhere could certainly have an appeal.

Ultimately, I think Marshall will get things on track, but it may take a little while. It looks like he may have inherited a more messy situation than initially thought. Marshall's surprise when hearing about Cooz testing the draft waters, when everyone here already knew that information, is interesting at best or disconcerting at worse.

[Dawg_tired]

If that were the case, you'd have head coaches leaping from balconies every season.

Or running back home in fright. Hmmm. Does that remind you of anyone?

[jaypharmalum]

Or running back home in fright. Hmmm. Does that remind you of anyone?


I think we can all agree that we'd rather see our MVC coaches running home, rather than running away.

[LincolnJay]

I agree.

1-Gal
2-PJ
3- Griskenas
4-Clemente
5-Sampay/Hart

That's the lineup I've been predicting for the last few weeks, and that's the lineup I want to see.

IMHO, any team that is relying on juco's as starters in the kid's first year at their school is screwed. The juco ranks are weak and 9 of 10 juco's should be role players.

[rjl]

I'm not really going to talk about any of the rumors involving Sean, as there are so many different versions and many of them contradict one another.

The things we DO know for a fact are this:

1. He started the season off EXCELLENT. Without Sean, we lose at GMU, SU, LSU, and Wyoming.

2. He finished the season in a funk, exacerbated by a severely sprained ankle that had him playing limited minutes in some games and not at all in others. For the last 3 weeks or so of the season, he wasn't a starter.

3. At some point during the season, a local news channel reported that Sean had to call the police on his girlfriend.

Most of us had already steadied ourselves for the blow of he or another major component of the team leaving after what happened last year. Rumors that it was Sean have always been there, but came to a head a couple of weeks ago when a Wyoming radio station erroneously reported that he was transferring to U of Wyoming. I say "erroneously", because, according to today's Eagle article, he hasn't decided where he wants to go yet.

We've steadied ourselves so much, in fact, that threads concerning a prediction of next year's starting lineup on Shockernet since the 'Wyoming' deal have not included Sean. Even if he stayed, it would be doubtful he'd make the starting lineup if he played the same way he left off last season, especially with a new coach who presumably has no emotional ties to players' seniority.

We're all sad to see him go. VERY SAD. But it's not unexpected, and it's not the 'end of the world' either.

[rjl]

IMHO, any team that is relying on juco's as starters in the kid's first year at their school is screwed. The juco ranks are weak and 9 of 10 juco's should be role players.

All American JUCO players > Redshirt Freshmen or Sophomores with little to no game experience.

That said, you can replace either Clemente or Sampay with JT Durley in my list above and it would still be a very quality lineup.

[DoubleJayAlum]

I'm not really going to talk about any of the rumors involving Sean, as there are so many different versions and many of them contradict one another.

The things we DO know for a fact are this:

1. He started the season off EXCELLENT. Without Sean, we lose at GMU, SU, LSU, and Wyoming.

2. He finished the season in a funk, exacerbated by a severely sprained ankle that had him playing limited minutes in some games and not at all in others. For the last 3 weeks or so of the season, he wasn't a starter.

3. At some point during the season, a local news channel reported that Sean had to call the police on his girlfriend.

Most of us had already steadied ourselves for the blow of he or another major component of the team leaving after what happened last year. Rumors that it was Sean have always been there, but came to a head a couple of weeks ago when a Wyoming radio station erroneously reported that he was transferring to U of Wyoming. I say "erroneously", because, according to today's Eagle article, he hasn't decided where he wants to go yet.

We've steadied ourselves so much, in fact, that threads concerning a prediction of next year's starting lineup on Shockernet since the 'Wyoming' deal have not included Sean. Even if he stayed, it would be doubtful he'd make the starting lineup if he played the same way he left off last season, especially with a new coach who presumably has no emotional ties to players' seniority.

We're all sad to see him go. VERY SAD. But it's not unexpected, and it's not the 'end of the world' either.

Since this seems to be in response to my post, let me just say that I agree with everything you just said. Also, I wasn't trying to stir up crap (and I hope you didn't take it that way), but I was simply saying that it is not unreasonable to ask some of the questions about Turg and WSu that are being asked.

[rjl]

Since this seems to be in response to my post, let me just say that I agree with everything you just said. Also, I wasn't trying to stir up crap (and I hope you didn't take it that way), but I was simply saying that it is not unreasonable to ask some of the questions about Turg and WSu that are being asked.

Oh, not necessarily in response to your post, more just answering any questions out there about why he may be leaving and most Shocker fans' reactions.

[C0|db|00ded]

The New Marshall in Town has had these things to say(paraphrasing) in his time here:

"We don't get tired"

Preparation will not be a problem"

"If you can't give 100%, you won't be playing"

"We will play with passion"

"We will play with energy"

"We will slap the floor and play defense"

Turgeon was a player's coach. It appeared from many of the player's statements over the years that they looked up to him like a second father. Turgeon recruited "nice kids". It appears that Coach Marshall likes men to play on his team and isn't looking to adopt any new family members. Can Shocker Nation find room for two 'Generals' in the current coaching staff! :clap:

Me things the mental makeup of what people expect out of a Shocker basketball team could be changing drastically..

MTXE anyone? :banana:

It's a great day to be a Shocker!


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[C0|db|00ded]

“I am 1,000 times more excited about our future today than I was when Gregg Marshall and the new staff was hired—and of course that was Mt. Everest high to begin with. I am so impressed with Gregg and the staff and the incredible job they are doing in building this program amidst the challenge of getting started so late in the recruiting season. We have something special. The future is bright. It is going to take some time, but we will get there and it will be worth it.”


-Jim Schaus

Jim still thinks it's a great day! :banana: :banana: :banana: :clap: :yes:


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[NewEra]

The new Marshall in town also had this to say when finding out his star player might be leaving the team.

"Wow"

I'm inspired.

Great post

[LincolnJay]

Two highest rated WSU fall signees gone in addition to Ogirri. Further spinning to come from sothron Kansas in 3....2.....1.....
++++++++++++++++++++++++++


WSU Provides Release to Ogirri
Courtesy: Wichita State
Release: 05/04/2007

WICHITA, Kan. — Wichita State has provided men’s basketball junior guard Sean Ogirri a release to transfer from the school, Director of Athletics Jim Schaus announced today.

In addition, Denzel Bowles and Evann Baker, who signed under previous coach Mark Turgeon, have been released from their national letters of intent to play men’s basketball at Wichita State, according to Schaus.

“We feel it is in the best interest of the athletic department and the student-athlete to provide these releases,” Schaus said. “We wish them the very best. It was very typical and anticipated that there will be student-athlete transition during a coaching change. These changes do not concern us, because we believe strongly in our vision and coaching leadership and we are confident in a successful future. We need to be patient through this transition.

“I am 1,000 times more excited about our future today than I was when Gregg Marshall and the new staff was hired—and of course that was Mt. Everest high to begin with. I am so impressed with Gregg and the staff and the incredible job they are doing in building this program amidst the challenge of getting started so late in the recruiting season. We have something special. The future is bright. It is going to take some time, but we will get there and it will be worth it.”

Ogirri, a 6-foot-2 guard from Denver, Colo., averaged 9.5 points and 2.7 rebounds in 2006-07, and 12.0 points and 2.8 rebounds in 2005-06. Bowles, a 6-foot-9, 235-pound forward from Virginia Beach, Virginia played at Kempsville High School. Baker, a 6-foot-2, 175-pound guard from Hyattsville, Maryland prepped at Maine Central Institute in Pittsfield, Maine.

[WSUbballer]

MTXE anyone?

1 or 2?

[rjl]

LincolnJay, my dear little ShockerStalker,

Here you go again acting like "high ranked recruits" are what the game is all about. If that was the case, KU would have won the national championship two years ago and KSU will win it this year.

Sean may have been the highest ranked recruit to don a WSU jersey in a while, but he sure wasn't contributing much by the end of the season. We'll miss him, but it was looking more and more unlikely that he was even going to start this year.

[LincolnJay]

Or running back home in fright. Hmmm. Does that remind you of anyone?

Actually, I talked with Dana and the reason he came back was that Creighton promised him that his son could succeed him as coach in a few years and Dana knew that his worthless kid couldn't get a job at a good junior high school on his own so............:banana:

[Nyghtewynd]

WSU doesn't need talent to win. They have GodMarshallGod on their side. At least that's what it sounds like.

[newshock1234]

WSU doesn't need talent to win. They have GodMarshallGod on their side. At least that's what it sounds like.
im glad you got it right

[rjl]

WSU doesn't need talent to win. They have GodMarshallGod on their side. At least that's what it sounds like.

You fire Barry yet?

[Nyghtewynd]

I think it's a fine goal to be so desperate to beat a play-in game coach this coming year.

[SubGod22]

Also, the release of Baker and Bowles aren't that suprising to Shocker fans. Bowles we knew was out a long time ago. And as time went on most of us figured Baker was probably gone too. Nothing that's happened in this off season has been a shock.

[DoubleJayAlum]

WSU doesn't need talent to win. They have GodMarshallGod on their side. At least that's what it sounds like.

The spin coming out of WSU right now does seem to be lacking in credibility. Losing quality players and recruits is not good news and I don't get how some can try to say that it is. There are discussions that Cooz and/or Mekel may be leaving as well. Things seem rather chaotic down there right now.

[SubGod22]

Almost nobody believes Cooz will be gone and I believe most of us are pretty sure Gal will be back considering what he's said since the change.

Heck, Bowles still hasn't qualified to play college ball. I'll admit that Baker hurts a little as it'd be nice to have another young gaurd.

Ogirri only hurts if he could have turned things around going into next year and returned to the Sean of old. I think he's made the right decision to move on and get his life in order.

Bringing in 2 JUCO All Americans helps soften the blow. And we're still in on a few players that will make us all happy. There's no reason for Shocker Nation to be in panic mode.

[rjl]

Spin?

What the hell ever.

We're being realistic, here.

We realistically haven't seen Bowles coming here for quite some time, even before Turgeon left, because of his inability to qualify.

We realistically didn't expect Sean to carry much weight next year given how he ended this year. Sure, his leaving sucks, but if his personal issues played a roll in how last season turned out, most agree it's probably better if he goes.

What do you want us to say? "Game over. We're going to suck now."?

Give me a fricken break.

[Shox21]

WSU doesn't need talent to win. They have GodMarshallGod on their side. At least that's what it sounds like.

Why don't you just give the guy a chance. He's been on the job all of a couple of weeks and hasn't hardly been in Wichita at all. Why don't we just see where he can take WSU this next year before you start with the wisecracks.

[Dawgbit]

And I still think this team will be stronger than last years team


Which would not take one hell of a lot.:no:

[NewEra]

The spin coming out of WSU right now does seem to be lacking in credibility. Losing quality players and recruits is not good news and I don't get how some can try to say that it is. There are discussions that Cooz and/or Mekel may be leaving as well. Things seem rather chaotic down there right now.

No offense but the boohooing you CU fans did when you thought Father Altman was leaving the parrish was a little embarrassing. What are we suppose to do? Act like the world is ending..........Good God Man!!!!! The team was 17-14 last year (still managed to beat CU at home:naughty: ). If you got a pile of crap it aint no big deal if it gets scooped up. Next year might be tough but Marshall will get it done.

[iSASO]

All the nightmare dreamweavers seem to be forgetting that Marshall took a deplorable program that won 7 games during the entire season before he got there and somehow won 12 straight games during the crunch time of January and February. By the way, he also won the conference championship and went to the NCAA Tournament in his first season. His lead assistant did basically the same thing in his first season.

None of these changes are a surprise to those who have followed the situation for the last two months. It's not our responsibility to respond to you with a lot of emotion if you overreact to what is old news at this point.

[shockerfan13]

Bah, these CU/SIU and SOME MSU fans were just chomping at the bit to kick Shocker fans while we are down and now are just pissed that they don't really get that chance LOL.

[jaypharmalum]

Bah, these CU/SIU and SOME MSU fans were just chomping at the bit to kick Shocker fans while we are down and now are just pissed that they don't really get that chance LOL.


I think CU, SIU, and MVC fans in general have had the last decade to kick Shox around (sans a one year blip ala Kent State or George Mason - though not quite as good as either of those runs). It's the Shox fans who've suddenly realized that spouting off for God knows how long about the great coach MT, great players, fantastic 10K seat arena, etc should probably zip it for a while as the next year doesn't look pretty in Wichita.

[SubGod22]

:yawn:

[MSNSaluki]

:no:

[C0|db|00ded]

I think CU, SIU, and MVC fans in general have had the last decade to kick Shox around (sans a one year blip ala Kent State or George Mason - though not quite as good as either of those runs). It's the Shox fans who've suddenly realized that spouting off for God knows how long about the great coach MT, great players, fantastic 10K seat arena, etc should probably zip it for a while as the next year doesn't look pretty in Wichita.

Coming from a fan of a school that has been patiently waiting 15 years to have their "one year blip" :lol: :lol: :lol:


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[iSASO]

15 years?

When was Creighton's last Sweet 16?

[jaypharmalum]

15 years?

When was Creighton's last Sweet 16?

As noted above, there are a number of teams that made the tourney one time and had their magical moment... if you think that the Shox are on the cusp of something great, I can only ask why the optimism during what is probably the most unstable point in the last decade.

Creighton has built a program and has been consistent. NCAA success has been difficult, granted, but I would take our record during Altman's tenure and 7 NCAA trips in 9 years over 1 trip to the NCAA tourney in a decade.

[Michigan J. Frog]

. . .NCAA success has been difficult, granted, but I would take our record during Altman's tenure and 7 NCAA trips in 9 years over 1 trip to the NCAA tourney in a decade.

and a whopping two NCAA wins. As many as WSU in the last decade.

[Aargh]

why the optimism

The system Marshall wants to run appears more suited to Cooz and Mekel than Turgeon's system. There's more freedom to create something.

WSU players Valley opponents have never seen on the court are likely to be 7'0", 6'9", 6'8", 6'7", 6'7", 6'6" and 6'4". That's a lot of new guys, but there's frontcourt height and depth WSU fans haven't seen in years.

[jaypharmalum]

and a whopping two NCAA wins. As many as WSU in the last decade.

So, in the past decade, which school has been the most successful:

Creighton
Wichita State
George Mason
Kent State

Everyone outside of Wichita will probably have the same answer.

[SubGod22]

SIU :grin:

[rjl]

Why do we have yet another thread dealing with WSU that's been hijacked into a pissing match by a CU fan?

Seriously, if you honestly thought WSU wasn't a threat, you wouldn't be posting here time after time trying to put us down.

Why the optimism?

Because we fricken LOVE our school, we LOVE our basketball team, we LOVE our new head coach, we LOVE the players we have returning, and we're happy with the overall situation WSU basketball finds itself in right now (great coach, great facilities, great community support, some great players, etc.).

We've been dealing with the things currently on the front page of Valleytalk for the last few months. We're over it now. Beyond it.

Meanwhile, posters like you are expecting to come here and lick up our tears, but frustrated to see there are none. Which creates the irony that YOU are breaking down more than WE are.

Interesting, huh?

The question I'll pose to you is, now that the true reason for Altman coming back to Creighton is known, and the class he showed in handling the situation and not outing Arkansas' problems certainly makes him MORE desireable to colleges in the future, how optimistic are you?

Because you are a few kids in Arkansas not studying away from being in the same boat WSU is in right now, or worse.

[WSUbballer]

So, in the past decade, which school has been the most successful:

Creighton
Wichita State
George Mason
Kent State

Everyone outside of Wichita will probably have the same answer.

A 2-7 record in the NCAA's is hardly worthy of chest-bumping as well.. More appearances.. woo hoo, but when that continually translates into losses more times than not, I don't see how you get more satisfaction out of it. WSU, while slimmer on the appearances, is definitely getting more bang for their buck. Bradley and SIU has cashed in as well.

[LincolnJay]

Keep harping on CU's NCAA record - that won't keep your team from fighting to stay out of the Thursday night fights this year.

[Aargh]

Just keep picking us 5th.

Just keep picking us 5th.

[MSNSaluki]

A Wichita/Creighton pissing match breaks out ... who'd have thunk it?:lol:

[Ricky Del Rio]

I hope Cold and Isaso have saved this thread. There is some pretty good material in here.

[iSASO]

There are some bold predictions here:

IMHO, any team that is relying on juco's as starters in the kid's first year at their school is screwed. The juco ranks are weak and 9 of 10 juco's should be role players.


Keep harping on CU's NCAA record - that won't keep your team from fighting to stay out of the Thursday night fights this year.

So WSU is screwed and destined for the Tournament play-in game.

Duly noted.

And wouldn't you know, both quotes from the same person - a trial lawyer from dear ol' CU.

[NewEra]

Keep harping on CU's NCAA record - that won't keep your team from fighting to stay out of the Thursday night fights this year.

Last I checked you lost Funk, Tolliver, and Porter. Granted you have talent coming in but unproven talent.

Who knows maybe you jumping jesuits will be battling to stay out of thursday night fights next year as well. BTW you bite on the 2-7 record insult A LOT!

[MoValley John]

There are some bold predictions here:





So WSU is screwed and destined for the Tournament play-in game.

Duly noted.

And wouldn't you know, both quotes from the same person - a trial lawyer from dear ol' CU.

Trial lawyer? Are you sure?

[iSASO]

Maybe just a paralegal. You'd think a real lawyer would be better at arguing and at not leaving his backside covered.

[MVC Fan]

All the nightmare dreamweavers seem to be forgetting that Marshall took a deplorable program that won 7 games during the entire season before he got there and somehow won 12 straight games during the crunch time of January and February. By the way, he also won the conference championship and went to the NCAA Tournament in his first season. His lead assistant did basically the same thing in his first season.


Was going to post the exact same thing.

I know some will say 'It was just Winthrop', but those ppl would not understand just how bad Winthrop was before he got there. That program was in the dregs of D-I, probably would've been midpack in D-II. Overnight he took 7-wins in the Big South talent and got them to the top of their league. Eventually he made them a top 50 program, and Winthrop had no business being that good.

Have no idea how this yr will go, but I'd be pretty comfortable if I'm a Shocker fan that he knows how to go about building. At worst, he'll have WSU as a team no one in the league wants to play next yr. At best, they could be be darn close to the level they were 2 yrs ago.

[Aargh]

About the first thing Marshall told WSU's players is that he never expects an opponent to score more than 65 points.

WSU lost a lot of point production with Wilson graduating and Ogirri leaving.

WSU could take on more of an SIU look next year. Not that much offensive firepower, but an emphasis on preventing an opponent from scoring. It could be interesting to see how WSU fans react if WSU ends up going to a Saluki-style game, which could be Marshall's best option during the transition period when he's trying to form a team out of recruits available in April and May.

[SubGod22]

I don't think Marshall will take it to that extreme, but there will be a much more intense defensive pressure from the Shox.

[Divergence]

WSU could take on more of an SIU look next year. Not that much offensive firepower, but an emphasis on preventing an opponent from scoring. It could be interesting to see how WSU fans react if WSU ends up going to a Saluki-style game,

Wouldn't that be an interesting karmanic spin. :whistling:

[Aargh]

Wouldn't that be an interesting karmanic spin. :whistling:

Karmanic? I think VT has just invented a new word.

I'm afraid there would be a lot of WSU fans loving the game when WSU played it, but hating it when SIU played it. This would create great enjoyment for CU fans until CU went 0-4 against WSU and SIU.

I'm not saying that's going to happen, but at this stage of the speculative season - it's not impossible.

[shockerfan13]

I think his defense is kind of a SIU/CU blend.

[MoValley John]

I think his defense is kind of a SIU/CU blend.

That's I before E excapt after C.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

The spin coming out of WSU right now does seem to be lacking in credibility. Losing quality players and recruits is not good news and I don't get how some can try to say that it is. There are discussions that Cooz and/or Mekel may be leaving as well. Things seem rather chaotic down there right now.

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble:

When he was asked about the status of Israeli guard Gal Mekel, who had a promising freshman season but has been rumored to be returning to his homeland, Marshall opened his office door and asked Mekel, who was waiting outside, to come in.

"Are you leaving?" he asked Mekel.

"No," came the reply.


OK, there's one issue resolved.


Couisnard isn't counting on being selected in the two rounds of the June 28 draft. He did not hire an agent and can retain his college eligibility by withdrawing his name from the draft by June 18. Couisnard, according to mock NBA Drafts on the Internet, is a longshot to be one of the 60 players selected.

"Most likely, I'll pull it out before the (June 18) deadline," he said Friday.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble:

When he was asked about the status of Israeli guard Gal Mekel, who had a promising freshman season but has been rumored to be returning to his homeland, Marshall opened his office door and asked Mekel, who was waiting outside, to come in.

"Are you leaving?" he asked Mekel.

"No," came the reply.


OK, there's one issue resolved.


Couisnard isn't counting on being selected in the two rounds of the June 28 draft. He did not hire an agent and can retain his college eligibility by withdrawing his name from the draft by June 18. Couisnard, according to mock NBA Drafts on the Internet, is a longshot to be one of the 60 players selected.

"Most likely, I'll pull it out before the (June 18) deadline," he said Friday.

Truly good news for the Shox.

Why so defensive though? At the time my post was made, the statements about Mekel and Cooz were not incorrect.

[outpost]

Why so defensive though? At the time my post was made, the statements about Mekel and Cooz were not incorrect.

Double Jay with the double negative.

[SubGod22]

Maybe not, but in Shockerland they were both still pretty much common knowledge

[shockerfan13]

Truly good news for the Shox.

Why so defensive though? At the time my post was made, the statements about Mekel and Cooz were not incorrect.

Don't take it too personal. Most of us are tired of the "kick us while we are down" mentality. Especially since we feel the future is bright. I don't feel that is what you are doing as you are one of the few decent CU posters, but that is the reason many are defensive. Not too many Shox fans are saying we are expecting to win the Valley and go to the Final Four this year, but there are alot of things that are happening that still have us feeling good about the future of WSU basketball.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Don't take it too personal. Most of us are tired of the "kick us while we are down" mentality. Especially since we feel the future is bright. I don't feel that is what you are doing as you are one of the few decent CU posters, but that is the reason many are defensive. Not too many Shox fans are saying we are expecting to win the Valley and go to the Final Four this year, but there are alot of things that are happening that still have us feeling good about the future of WSU basketball.

I think the Jay Birds are just fine, even Lincoln Lawyer.

The Jay posters are upper class, actually.

[lawdawg]

Ogirri to Wyoming? Per Hoompmasters.

[shockball]

It is in the daily paper.
http://www.kansas.com/467/story/77102.html