SIU vs Wvu [Archive] - ValleyTalk Forums

jelly_81

03-12-2006, 07:50 PM

skinny_uncle

03-12-2006, 07:54 PM

I predict that after the Dawgs win this game, cold will say it was an "ugly" win.
:salukis:

SIUFAN

03-12-2006, 07:59 PM

What scares me is that this team really utilized that back door cuts early in the season. If the watch tape against teams that beat us, we are susceptible to that type of play because of our trapping, and our aggressiveness on defense. If we play straight up man, we will be ok. If we come out trapping and it starts to kill us, I hope lowery can make the adjustment before it is too late.

getreal4

03-12-2006, 08:12 PM

tough, tough matchup. Hope that ugly dawg tenacity prevails! :salukis:

landmark

03-12-2006, 08:20 PM

let see when was the last time we were an 11 seed...hmmmm!!! time for a little repeat magic first step take out WVU

GO :valley: :braves: :panthers: :shockers: :salukis:

The BCS confrences-->:chair: <---THE MVC

Hooloovoo

03-12-2006, 08:23 PM

Something that you guys have to be concerned about is Pitsnoggle. While he doesn't play like a true center, his game is so strange that it is hard to guard him. The team around him is very tough, too. And if last year is any indication, that 1-3-1 defense will give SIU some headaches.

MSNSaluki

03-12-2006, 08:27 PM

there could be worse draws for siu.

siubball32

03-12-2006, 08:45 PM

If anyone finds a forum for west virginia please post it. Thanks :salukis: :valley:

jelly_81

03-12-2006, 08:56 PM

If anyone finds a forum for west virginia please post it. Thanks :salukis: :valley:
http://westvirginia.rivals.com/forum.asp?sid=891&fid=33&style=1

Here's one i found although I'm looking for a better one.

:salukis: :valley:

getreal4

03-12-2006, 09:13 PM

And if SIU finds some way to solve West Va, then its Iowa. And Iowa is playing good basketball right now. Not a good draw for the Uglies.

getreal4

03-12-2006, 09:14 PM

One thing about Iowa vs SIU could be the lowest scoring NCAA game in the past 20 years. :ermm:

SalukiSpike

03-13-2006, 02:01 AM

One thing about Iowa vs SIU could be the lowest scoring NCAA game in the past 20 years. :ermm:

Maybe ever...both teams combining for under 15 points wouldn't be out of the question.

Aargh

03-13-2006, 02:28 AM

I predict that after the Dawgs win this game, cold will say it was an "ugly" win.
:salukis:
After the Dawgs win this game, I will say it was an "ugly" win.

I've been calling Falker underrated for 2 years now. I think he can do OK against a decent big man.

I doubt WVa has seen an SIU-style D. Deny! Deny! Deny! really gets into another team's head and can mess them up. I always thought SIU had a decent shot at a first-round win regardless of their seed.

The key might be whether GodShawGod shows up or if StandShawWatch shows up.

jt45

03-13-2006, 06:37 AM

After the Dawgs win this game, I will say it was an "ugly" win.

I've been calling Falker underrated for 2 years now. I think he can do OK against a decent big man.

I doubt WVa has seen an SIU-style D. Deny! Deny! Deny! really gets into another team's head and can mess them up. I always thought SIU had a decent shot at a first-round win regardless of their seed.

The key might be whether GodShawGod shows up or if StandShawWatch shows up.
Ha ha...very good post my Shocker friend. I think a big key is Mr Matt Shaw. If he just plays half as hard as he did last year in the tourney we will be just fine.

salukijones

03-13-2006, 09:01 AM

The more I look at this game the more I like our matchup. The only thing I see as being a major problem will be guarding Pittsnogle. Normally I would say you have Faulkner guard him and he'll probably be able to do a pretty good job but he plays away from the rim an awful lot and the Salukis really need Randall under the rim. So if Shaw is up for the Challenge then I think we have a real good chance. Also a big game from Foster would be really really helpfull.

For Pete's sake, please everybody learn how to spell Randal's name: it's F-A-L-K-E-R. It's bad enough when other team's fans do it, but SIU fans should at a minimum know how to spell their players' names. You couldn't possibly have watched two years of this guy playing and think his name is Faulkner.

P.S. Sorry if I'm being a jerk this morning, but it's a Monday.

As far as the game, I like this matchup. Hopefully, our guards can contain the shooting of Gansey and Herber and Bielien. I don't know how much they turn the ball over, but the Dawgs are gonna have to get some easy baskets if WVU is playing zone all night. Hopefully the 12 days rest will make for a good shooting performance.

SiuCubFan8

03-13-2006, 09:06 AM

SalukiSpike

03-13-2006, 09:46 AM

If you need help remembering his name I have FALKER spelled real big in my sig.

Anyway, I refrain from making predictions. The naieve part of me believe that my Salukis can play with, and beat, anybody. The realist in me differs. I personally think any run would be stopped if we faced Texas. I think, personally, that they[Texas] would put a very ugly beatdown on us that I dont think I could bear to watch. So say we do get by WVU and Iowa if it falls that way, the winner of the NC State/Cal game would need to beat Texas before-hand.

The hopeful in me hopes we do damn well and that all 4 teams(and our brothers in the NIT) prove everyone that has doubted us wrong. But the superstitious in me wont let me even predict that we will do anything of merit...I believe in the jinx, and I will not do that to my team.

That said, a one and done tournament is about as unpredictible as you can get, theres no real way to say Team A will do it but Team B cant besides what they have done in past tournaments.

But this is 2006, the past doesn't matter. The MVC has earned a small sliver of respect, lets go show that we deserve it.

CUSaluki

03-13-2006, 09:57 AM

If we can hold WVU under 65, a tall order to be sure, we will win the game. It has been done by lesser defensive teams this year, though. Shaw would be the leading rebounder on their team. Falker outrebounded Pittsnogle by 70 for the season.

Jamar Howard 4 President

03-13-2006, 11:51 AM

I was slightly dissapointed when I saw SIU's seed, but I liked the matchup then, and I still do. West Virginia is a 3 point shooting team. They don't take it inside much. That seems to play to SIU's strengths, as SIU likes to pressure the guards and hope they can't get it inside to the big men. If SIU can score offensively, I think they will have a shot.

Yoshi

03-13-2006, 12:11 PM

WVU does not like to rebound. That bodes well for SIU if they can bother the WVU shooter enough to get them to miss some shots. I think GodShawGod shows up after all his tears at the end of the Ok State game last year.

From Sports Illustrated:

Best first-round matchup: West Virginia-Southern Illinois. The final score might be 46-43, but it will be an incredible battle of wills between two teams that love nothing more than spending 32 of their 35 seconds finding and setting up that open look from the corner.

:valley: :salukis: :jays: :panthers: :shockers: :bears: :braves: :valley: :boxing:

txsaluki05

03-13-2006, 12:46 PM

After the Dawgs win this game, I will say it was an "ugly" win.

I've been calling Falker underrated for 2 years now. I think he can do OK against a decent big man.

I doubt WVa has seen an SIU-style D. Deny! Deny! Deny! really gets into another team's head and can mess them up. I always thought SIU had a decent shot at a first-round win regardless of their seed.

The key might be whether GodShawGod shows up or if StandShawWatch shows up.

Alright, that was pretty hilarious I'll give ya that!

siubball32

03-13-2006, 10:41 PM

The key is if jamaal tatum and tony can make some 3s. Also we put the pressure on gansey and go down low to Falker all day long to get pitsnogle in some foul trouble.:salukis: :valley:

MSNSaluki

03-13-2006, 11:32 PM

I don't think SIU and West Virginia can eclipse this masterpiece from the 1999 tournament ... SMS 43, Wisconsin 32.

DawgFan

03-14-2006, 01:44 PM

I think you've got to take into account the lack of depth SIU ran into this season. That was one young team in Alaska with an out of shape Tony Young and one tired team down the stretch minus Dale and with at least three other guys that should of been practicing with the team, not involved in the program.

It really showed down the stretch with Tony Young not getting squared up and jumping high enough on his jumpers. The team has gotten a chance to freshen their legs and I think Young may shoot it better again on Friday.

siubball32

03-15-2006, 06:49 PM

Hopefully the Dawgs will have fresh legs and come ready to play. I think we can win this one! :salukis: :valley:

skinny_uncle

03-15-2006, 07:41 PM

After the Dawgs win this game, I will say it was an "ugly" win.

I've been calling Falker underrated for 2 years now. I think he can do OK against a decent big man.

I doubt WVa has seen an SIU-style D. Deny! Deny! Deny! really gets into another team's head and can mess them up. I always thought SIU had a decent shot at a first-round win regardless of their seed.

The key might be whether GodShawGod shows up or if StandShawWatch shows up.
WVU and their 1-3-1 zone is vulnerable to the short baseline jumper. It might be made to order for Shaw. I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a big game on Friday.

barkeep1967

03-15-2006, 10:35 PM

jsaluki

03-16-2006, 12:41 AM

Thsnk you SKinny becuse that is it in a nutshell.

If Shaw shows up WVU is in trouble.

The guard advantage goes to SIU.
The big man advantage goes to WVU( only because they play on the perimeter)

If Shaw shoots well they will be forced to change from the 1-3-1. WVU can not contain the SIU guards in man to man.

Please MAtt show up Friday.

I wouldn't necessarily say the big man advantage goes to WVU. Pittsnogle doesn't play like a true center. Falker and Shaw are athletic enough to play perimeter defense against him, and both have the skills necessary to put some post moves on him to try and get him in foul trouble. I would say the advantage for WVU is that they don't turn the ball over too much and their defense will likely cause our guys a lot of headaches, especially early on. We haven't faced a 1-3-1 all year and the first round of the NCAA isn't the best time to start. That being said, if we can solve it and get some open looks for Shaw and our guards, it bodes very well for the Dawgs. I like our chances!!!

danh96

03-16-2006, 07:05 AM

We have played against a 1-3-1 twice. Bradley and Monmonth. Bradley used the same style at WVU will use. They had POB in the middle, Wright up top and a guard down low. WVU plays Pittsnogle in the middle, Gansey up top, and their point(Collins) down low.

barkeep1967

03-17-2006, 07:14 AM

I am getting more hopefull after seeing the way the BE has performes so far.

:salukis: :salukis: :salukis: :salukis:

WuDrWu

03-17-2006, 07:57 AM

After watching my beloved Shox dismantle Seton Hall yesterday, I am convinced all Valley teams not only have a shot but can survive and advance. Play your game and know you belong and everything else takes care of itself. Go get 'em Dawgs!!!!!!!!

MVC - BIG EAST Challenge continues.........

Hail Red & White

03-17-2006, 08:07 AM

No doubt, West Virginia has some shooters. Pittsnoggle scored 0 points against Pittsburgh earlier this season, and WVU only lost by 8. I think the key is stopping 2 of their outside guys, which could be easier said than done. Herbehr, Beilein and Gansey can all stroke it from the outside. Gansey is also an inside threat and is said to have a great basketball IQ. If SIU plays with the tenacity they displayed to get this far, the game should go down to the wire. The Mountaineers shoot free throws fairly well. SIU ought to win the battle of the boards. Very intriguing matchup--good luck Salukis--let's make the Valley go 2-0 prior to the Panthers making it 3-0 for the MVC this afternoon!

jt45

03-17-2006, 08:09 AM

After reading the paper today I am genuinely concerned about the Salukis chances. It says Falker has lost 10 pounds since being sick. Falker was quoted as saying,"I don't feel a whole lot better, but I do feel better." I sure hope Foster brings some game today or this could be a long one. I still think it is a winable game but not having a completely healthy Falker kinda scares me! Go Dawgs!!

skinny_uncle

03-17-2006, 08:48 AM

It will be a tough game. WVU starts 4 seniors to none for SIU. WVU was an Elite Eight team last year so they have experience. I think our Saluki pups can hang with them and hope the experience factor does not hurt us down the stretch. I think it will be a close game (like many Valley games this year)that might be decided be a break in the closing minute. I think the fans will definitely get their money's worth. Of course, I could be wrong.
:panthers:

Ricky Del Rio

03-17-2006, 08:55 AM

This will be the toughest test for the Valley in the first round.

My fervent hope is Jamal shoots well. If he does, then the Salukis have a shot.

If Mullins can make 6-8 points, it would be very helpful.

We don't have to worry about the defense.

cusportsfan

03-17-2006, 09:04 AM

Pitsnoggle can shoot from outside and can drop a 3 on you pretty quick. If the Dawgs stick that stingy D they have been playing all year. Dawgs keep the score to 50 or below and they win, if it starts to become a high scoring game that could be a different story.

:valley:

Florida Saluki

03-17-2006, 09:41 AM

Salukis have these "musts" and WV goes down:

1. Aggressive, in-your-face Saluki D must be at its best.
2. Falker must not be sluggish due to sickness.
3. Shaw must have a hot hand.
4. Mullins must be fully recovered.
5. Tatum or Young must step up as "the MAN."
6. Lowery must make quick, wise game-time adjustments.
7. The big men, Foster and Faulkner, must not get in foul trouble early.

If all these musts are fulfilled, it really doesn't matter what WV does. Salukis will advance. GO DAWGS!

Florida Saluki

03-17-2006, 09:43 AM

Oops...sorry, F-A-L-K-E-R

DCShockerFan

03-17-2006, 02:15 PM

Game is underway...4-2 SIU early--Saluki defense forces a timeout to avoid a 5 second call

bearhair

03-17-2006, 02:45 PM

SIU 17, WV 28, 7 minutes in the half. Come on Dawgs

cpacmel

03-17-2006, 03:02 PM

West VA 36
SIU 24

Halftime

outpost

03-17-2006, 03:04 PM

Got to make some adjustments, to say the least.

:salukis: :salukis: :salukis: :salukis: :salukis:

getreal4

03-17-2006, 03:10 PM

need to see that ugly dawg D at its best. :salukis:

DCShockerFan

03-17-2006, 03:14 PM

SIU must
1. hope WVU stops shooting well
2. REBOUND BETTER---WVU is a crappy rebounding team; SIU should take advantage of that
3. Consider playing an offense of some sort.
but I think they can still come back. Come on salukis!

Hortonfldhse

03-17-2006, 03:28 PM

SIU looks terrible right now--------and they are getting no love from the officials. lots of calls that could be no-calls

SalukiSpike

03-17-2006, 03:30 PM

No love is an understatement...

we are playing 5 guys from WVU and a few refs

Dawg_tired

03-17-2006, 03:33 PM

You guys had plenty of love from Valley officials.

DCShockerFan

03-17-2006, 03:52 PM

ugh this is bad...

azbirdfan

03-17-2006, 03:55 PM

It's unfortunate but dawgtired is right. I don't mind physical defense but fouls are fouls and you've developed a false sense of security, thinking that the hand checking and physical contact can be allowed, even though they really are fouls. I wish things could have worked out different or that you would have come across refs that allowed a physical game but fouls are fouls. Sorry guys! I really wish you could pull this off!!

:salukis:

Fraydog

03-17-2006, 03:57 PM

I don't think the officiating is the issue here. We just came up against a hot team and even if we play our best game I don't think we win.

3ontheway

03-17-2006, 03:59 PM

WVU was far from hot coming into this game. This is exactly what Digger and Co. were waiting for. Still a strong season for the dawgs in what was to be a re-building year.

:braves:

outpost

03-17-2006, 04:07 PM

Tough game for the Dawgs........

Well, looks like the pressure is squarely on Bradley if we want to break even in the first round.

DCShockerFan

03-17-2006, 04:07 PM

Ok this game sucked and I'm not at all happy with the result, but consider the following: SIU was the automatic bid, so how they do doesn't really figure into the whole "did we deserve a 4th, 5th, 6th bid" discussion. Also, it's not like SIU was upset--WVU is a hell of a team and I've seen a number of people pick them as a final four sleeper. I thought they should have been a higher seed, myself. Our friends at CBS may say it, but I realy don't believe most people are stupid enough to believe that an auto-bid 11 seed losing somehow invalidates their conference. UNI played Gtown even almost the whole game, WSU's still alive of course, and the reason March is so exciting is because teams like Bradley CAN beat teams like KU. So don't get too down about it, and root for teh Braves tonight and the Shockers on Saturday. We still have more to do and say in this tourney even if a few teams lost today.

WSUShokker

03-17-2006, 05:03 PM

I agree ...i didnt see SIU as a 11 seed...tough loss...ran into a hot team today....and the panthers fought very hard in a game they could of easily won if they shot half as good as they do when they play us....

Im glad we have a chance to carry the torch..and represent the valley in the second round as UNI and SIU have done past years ...along with MSU and CU as well...

Hopefully Bradley can come out loose and intense and play like they have nothing to lose...cause they dont...they need to jump in KU's grill, slap em good and get in their heads...

but no matter what happens....none of us has anything to hang our heads about...all these kids have battle hard for our schools this year..raised the roof on the profile of the MVC, ignited a national debate, represented us nationally with class and distinction...

Maybe we dont make the huge step we wanted this year...but its still a large one and maybe even a XL one....bottom line they have done the best they can and that should be more than acceptable for all of us...(amen)

SalukiProf

03-17-2006, 05:26 PM

UGGHHHH! The Lousiana Tech, St. Louis, Alaska-Anchorage, and Monmouth Salukis showed up against a superior team who played well. Many congrats to the Mountaineers on a well deserved win, and many thanks to Lowery and the boys, who went far further than most expected in a re-building year.

GO CAA!

:valley:

Dawgbit

03-17-2006, 11:17 PM

FWIW- Falker had the flu earlier in the week, lost 10 pounds, he looked like a ghost out there. WV would have won anyway, we never figured out their D.

Scalare76

03-17-2006, 11:28 PM

I hate bringing this up, but can't help myself. We lost today because of our offense. When we move and pass the ball the offense is decent enough to keep us in a game. Today there was a lot of dribble dribble dribble again. We seem to get over confident after winning then fall back into old habits. That is kind of how this season has played out.

SIU was schooled today. I hear all the banter about our defense. Great, but you also need an offense to win. We have the players to pull it off...at least do a better job at it. Coaches need to understand that offense is important too. We have been hit or miss on how we play offense. Not talking about shooting, but ball movement.

Overall the Valley has done great and SIU doesn't need to hang it's head low. I just hope that they learn from this and think about it next year. We have some bad habits and they need to be addressed.