"Shocker" hand gesture deemed offensive, disrespectful

[jaypharmalum]

Looks like some high school football players in Iowa are going to be suspended for using "the shocker" hand gesture in the team photo.

The gesture, involving the middle, index and pinky fingers, goes by various names including "the shocker" when the connotation is sexual in nature.

Cordes said that if athletes in past seasons had been using gestures that could be considered offensive, school administrators were unaware of it. If the administration had knowledge that the gestures could be considered offensive, it would have taken the appropriate steps, he said.

In explaining her decision to run the altered photo, Ann Wilson, general manager and co-owner of the Daily Times Herald, said Monday that the players' action "was disrespectful to the team, to us and to women, which means mothers, sisters and girlfriends."

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10118493

[Little Eddie]

Looks like some high school football players in Iowa are going to be suspended for using "the shocker" hand gesture in the team photo.



http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10118493

There's a shocker...

Don't forget to tip the wait staff and try the veal!!!

[Nyghtewynd]

This story and more in this month's issue of the news magazine "Duh".

[Panthera Pardus]

In explaining her decision to run the altered photo, Ann Wilson, general manager and co-owner of the Daily Times Herald, said Monday that the players' action "was disrespectful to the team, to us and to women, which means mothers, sisters and girlfriends."

That's actually not what "woman" means.

from dictionary.com:
the female human being

there was also this definition, which even the most hardened bonehead bigot should find a little offensive:
a female person who cleans house, cooks, etc.; housekeeper: The woman will be in to clean today.

So Ms. Wilson is wrong: this action was not offensive to sisters, mothers, and girlfriends. It was offensive to housekeepers.

[MoValley John]

So Ms. Wilson is wrong: this action was not offensive to sisters, mothers, and girlfriends. It was offensive to housekeepers.

I give my housekeeper the shocker. She's not offended and likes it.

[MoValley John]

Now if I were a senior, this is the photo I'd want in my scrapbook! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
http://www.omaha.com/neo-images/photos/large/828jlcarroll.jpg

[DJShocker10]

I give my housekeeper the shocker. She's not offended and likes it.

So, either you're into the gang bang stuff, or you are one physically deformed individual. I'll let you decide.:grin:

[Mecha_Bulldog]

That was a stupid action by these kids. Everyone knows the Shocker has nothing to do with football :grin:

[MoValley John]

So, either you're into the gang bang stuff, or you are one physically deformed individual. I'll let you decide.:grin:

No, I just throw her the hand gesture. My housekeeper is also my wife, and I know she isn't into anything penetrating the stink.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Now if I were a senior, this is the photo I'd want in my scrapbook! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
http://www.omaha.com/neo-images/photos/large/828jlcarroll.jpg

I think they have something on their lens. :original:

[Nyghtewynd]

That was a stupid action by these kids. Everyone knows the Shocker has nothing to do with football :grin:

:lol::lol::lol:

[Mc Bulldog]

What would this mean?

http://thirdroar.com/paintings/2003-04-Fist/FIST-websmall.jpghttp://www.csiro.au/helix/sciencemail/activities/images/BinaryNumbersImageTwo.jpg

[MoValley John]

Lets see, Dirty Sanchez and the shocker.

http://espn.go.com/media/pg2/2006/0321/photo/667_350.jpg

[BearsCountry]

I wish I still had the picture of the 5 year girl at the Valley Tournament doing the Shocker gesture. That was a classic WSU fan. :)

[SiuCubFan8]

Lets see, Dirty Sanchez and the shocker.

http://espn.go.com/media/pg2/2006/0321/photo/667_350.jpg

Fat, Ugly and Dumb is no way to go through life, poor kid.:lol:

[DoubleJayAlum]

Lets see, Dirty Sanchez and the shocker.

http://espn.go.com/media/pg2/2006/0321/photo/667_350.jpg

:lol::clap:

You gotta love the caution tape around his head as well. As if any other human was going to approach him anyway....

[DawgieStyle]

:lol::clap:

You gotta love the caution tape around his head as well. As if any other human was going to approach him anyway....

i spot like 3 fat kids in that pic in the background, what do you feed your students in Wichita?

[jaypharmalum]

There was an update today regarding the Iowa high school football players: their suspension was reduced to one-half of the first football game. Maybe someday the shocker will be halved as well to avoid any unnecessary slaps across the face.

[Nyghtewynd]

So what does half of the shocker look like? Wait--never mind. I don't want to know.

[Dawgbit]

I am so happy that Wichita State is in the conference, so that we can have these family-oriented, fireside talks. Is there a more perverted fanbase in the world?

[WSUfan]

I am so happy that Wichita State is in the conference, so that we can have these family-oriented, fireside talks. Is there a more perverted fanbase in the world?
SIU's fanbase (+ deer) :wink_kiss:
:lol: :helpsmilie: :lol:

[outpost]

Since the original dufus set the parameter limits at "the world", let me offer a few.

Fans of Kim Jong IL
Fans of Hugo Chavez
Fans of Osama Bin Laden
Fans of Fidel Castro
Fans of The Iranian Leader (I won't even try to spell his name)

Oh......and the Arkansas and OU Fanbases.

I could go on.

[Dawgbit]

Since the original dufus set the parameter limits at "the world", let me offer a few.

Fans of Kim Jong IL
Fans of Hugo Chavez
Fans of Osama Bin Laden
Fans of Fidel Castro
Fans of The Iranian Leader (I won't even try to spell his name)

Oh......and the Arkansas and OU Fanbases.

I could go on.

:no:

[iSASO]

Outpost, you have hit upon an unspoken truth - that non-WSU fans on this board would rather see any of those agents of destruction become President of Planet Earth than watch WSU win another Valley title and go to the Sweet 16 again.

[Nyghtewynd]

Yep, that's why your school embraces an obscene gesture--it's everyone else's fault.

[outpost]

Nyght, next time you see your own fans mocking our hand gesture, ask yourself (and answer honestly) this question:

Which fan base do you really think has the intention of using "the gesture" in an obscene manner?

We're innocent. It's all a matter of perception, as well as your own perverted "interpretation" of it.

A couple more questions to ponder.......
How many Shocker fans have been asked to leave a game because they were using an offensive hand signal?

Now how many Creighton fans were asked to either leave the Savvis Center (as it was called then) or tear up the "Rolan is a Felon" sign a few years ago?

I rest my case.

[Ricky Del Rio]

I am so happy that Wichita State is in the conference, so that we can have these family-oriented, fireside talks. Is there a more perverted fanbase in the world?

Yes! Yes! Yes!

[MoValley John]

Nyght, next time you see your own fans mocking our hand gesture, ask yourself (and answer honestly) this question:

Which fan base do you really think has the intention of using "the gesture" in an obscene manner?

We're innocent. It's all a matter of perception, as well as your own perverted "interpretation" of it.

A couple more questions to ponder.......
How many Shocker fans have been asked to leave a game because they were using an offensive hand signal?

Now how many Creighton fans were asked to either leave the Savvis Center (as it was called then) or tear up the "Rolan is a Felon" sign a few years ago?

I rest my case.

Here is where Shocker fans need to be careful, it has become an obscene gesture. Regardless of intent, it is well known what the hand gesture means and unfortunately, I think it will eventually be banned- even at Koch Arena. It doesn't matter what the Wichita fan base wants it to mean, prevailing culture has hijacked it. This is not unlike the Stars and Bars. The south loved to wave the confederate flag, and in reality, it had nothing to do with slavery. regardless of any innocent intent, the flag became synonmous with slavery and is now deemed by most of America as offensive. Just as the Confederate flag is now offensive, so is the shocker. It will have to go.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Nyght, next time you see your own fans mocking our hand gesture, ask yourself (and answer honestly) this question:

Which fan base do you really think has the intention of using "the gesture" in an obscene manner?

We're innocent. It's all a matter of perception, as well as your own perverted "interpretation" of it.

My two year old has a tendency to point with his middle finger. He has no intent of using "the gesture" in an obsene manner.

The difference is that my wife and I are trying to teach him to not point with that finger because it is not appropriate. Wichitans, on the other hand, know the Shocker has a negative connotation but take steps to teach it to their children nonetheless. Some would call that bad parenting....but blue collar is blue collar. :innocent:

BTW, I'm sure in Wichita its perfectly acceptable to refer to a riverboat as a Cleveland Steamer.

[outpost]

This Wichitan has two teenagers, and I have not "taken steps," as you presume, to teach the gesture to them. Neither has any other Wichitan, as far as I know.

As far as I'm concerned about the gesture, you can take it or leave it

And please, drop the stereotypes.

[Nyghtewynd]

The rest of the conference would prefer that you just leave it. But that concept seems to be beyond you.

We'll drop the stereotypes when your fanbase stops proving them to be so accurate.

[outpost]

Beyond me? You're full of it. What did I just say?

Look back in all of my posts, and see if I defended it. The only thing that seems to be beyond anyone is your reading ability.

As in this thread, my attitude has been indifference, nothing more nothing less, toward the gesture.

I've said all that I will say about it. If you want to carry on, feeling like you've won a major debate, feel free. Just brush up on your reading skills while you're at it.

[WSUfan]

I believe Shocker fans were using the hand gesture long before it became popular and most WSU fans intend it to represent support for the Shocks rather than something Creighton gals seem to enjoy. How this all turns out is unclear and, just like the Bradley mascot, this may be under fire from the NCAA someday.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

You prudes need to get a life.

[MoValley John]

You prudes need to get a life.

Why?

[shockball]

The shocker hand signal is close to the "W" that WSU fans have used for years. I expect the way this will play out is neither one goes away. Perception is just in the eye of the beholders, however convenient those eyes want to be.

In the urban dictionary you can find the definition of the shocker. You can also find that a bear is a term for a hairy gay man. The Missouri State Fudgepackers has a ring to it that some can answer to. If it is convenient.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

You prudes need to get a life.

Quoted for truth.


Quit your whining you sissies.

[Dawg_tired]

Fat, Ugly and Dumb is no way to go through life, poor kid.:lol:

Take it easy on the WSU student body president and trailer court poster child.

[C0|db|00ded]

I believe Shocker fans were using the hand gesture long before it became popular and most WSU fans intend it to represent support for the Shocks rather than something Creighton gals seem to enjoy. How this all turns out is unclear and, just like the Bradley mascot, this may be under fire from the NCAA someday.

You may be onto something here..

Creighton girls made a mad dash to buy up all the "Creighton girls love the shocker" t-shirts in St. Louis and now we have "male" Creighton fans starting threads and continuously calling out WSU... 2 + 2 = 4


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[C0|db|00ded]

The shocker hand signal is close to the "W" that WSU fans have used for years. I expect the way this will play out is neither one goes away. Perception is just in the eye of the beholders, however convenient those eyes want to be.

In the urban dictionary you can find the definition of the shocker. You can also find that a bear is a term for a hairy gay man. The Missouri State Fudgepackers has a ring to it that some can answer to. If it is convenient.

You can also find that a bear is a term for a hairy gay man.

*ahem* I wouldn't go around sharing those kind of pearls.. :ermm:

Maybe you ought to set the next couple plays out.. :lol:


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[dakyne]

cold,

LOL! Good one. You need to stop posting for a while--you're making too much sense.

[MikeKennedyRulz]

Why?

Because, it's really not of any concern to you. It's a waste of time and really not that big of a deal. IT'S A FRICKING HAND GESTURE!!! Why not spend your "valuable" time trying to do something good instead of worrying about a few hundred people who are using a gesture that may or may not mean something offensive to some overly sensitive elderly people.

[jaypharmalum]

Because, it's really not of any concern to you. It's a waste of time and really not that big of a deal. IT'S A FRICKING HAND GESTURE!!! Why not spend your "valuable" time trying to do something good instead of worrying about a few hundred people who are using a gesture that may or may not mean something offensive to some overly sensitive elderly people.


True enough, people who could be offended by hand gestures have a pretty thin skin, huh? I think it is pretty obvious that hand gestures mean different things to different people, so while it may not offend you, you have no place to judge others who may find it offensive.

http://www.aerenlund.dk/historie/images/hitler_ved_ol.jpg

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

yeah because the shocker handsign is sooooooooooooo on the same level of the nazi's and their salute.

smh

[iSASO]

You know, I bet that if the Shocker handsign ceased being used, certainly global warming would be fixed instantly, every disease would disappear from every species on the planet and of course World Hunger would be eradicated. And to think, a couple of WSU haters on a message board would be heros unlike this planet has ever seen.

Imagine how many people could have been saved in Medieval Europe during the Black Plague...if only the Shocker handsign had not been in use.

Imagine how many could have been saved if folks prior to the Great Flood would have never picked up use of the Shocker handsign from Adam and Eve.

[douglasdmb]

I'm not offended by the hand gesture itself, I just think people find it a little weird that there are small children at Koch or Scottrade flashing it. I would imagine, however, that not every WSU fan knows what it means.

By the way, I once had the shocker flashed at me by about half of WSU's cheerleading squad from their charter bus after the MSU-SIU game in St. Louis two years ago.

[C0|db|00ded]

http://members.cox.net/econoshox/shockertattoo

Now THAT'S school spirit!


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[GREY DAWG]

The shocker is funny, people just need something to ***** about.

[jaypharmalum]

yeah because the shocker handsign is sooooooooooooo on the same level of the nazi's and their salute.

smh

Please note, I don't find "the shocker" personally offensive. However, if someone is offended by it, then it becomes an offensive gesture. Pretty simple really. The original story was from a small high school in Iowa - people there were offended by it apparently.

Here's a question - what would happen if a WSU fan was asked to leave an opposing arena after making said gesture? Don't laugh, it could happen.

[outpost]

I already indicated that I was done with this discussion. And I already addressed your question a few posts earlier, JayPharmAlum. Not saying that it couldn't happen, it just hasn't happened yet.

I'd like fans of the league to turn their animosities outward.....to schools like Florida State, Illinois, North Dakota (Fighting Sioux, right?) and Notre Dame.

I left Bradley out for two reasons: 1. out of respect to a fellow conference member, and 2. The Brave mascot and its fans have already fought that battle.

Is there anyone out there who is offended by Spartans or Trojans? How about Rainbow Warriors?

A "hand gesture" is only one way a fan shows support for its school. Others besides the mascot itself are cheers such as "Let's Go Peay"......"Go 'Cocks," or bonfires in College Station, Texas that get out of hand and end up killing innocent students.

Can anyone think of other (arguably) misguided antics that haven't been mentioned in this thread?

[MikeKennedyRulz]

True enough, people who could be offended by hand gestures have a pretty thin skin, huh? I think it is pretty obvious that hand gestures mean different things to different people, so while it may not offend you, you have no place to judge others who may find it offensive.

http://www.aerenlund.dk/historie/images/hitler_ved_ol.jpg

Wow, that is great logic right there. No wonder you chose to become a pharmacist. All I can do is laugh at you and that post.

[Mc Bulldog]

http://members.cox.net/econoshox/shockertattoo

Now THAT'S school spirit!


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Who in their right mind would tattoo a cartoon character of a hemroid/dingleberry on their body?

Which is more offensive to people, the shocker or the finger? I think Elgin needs to step up and get the tilt-a-whirls to act like civilized people. This type of behavior makes the whole league look like idiots. :lol:

Just kidd'n. :shockers:

[dawg]

Hilarious. I had no idea what it meant until I looked it up in wikipedia a bit ago.

Gives a whole new meaning to the Shocker Girls.

[jaypharmalum]

Wow, that is great logic right there. No wonder you chose to become a pharmacist. All I can do is laugh at you and that post.

I'll stand by my statement: "hand gestures mean different things to different people, so while it may not offend you, you have no place to judge others who may find it offensive".

In terms of logic, I suspect that even my children would agree that it is at best "impolite" and at worst "offensive" to make a gesture that could be construed as disrespectful. I didn't need a doctoral degree to figure that out, but I'm glad I have one so I can help to clarify things to simpletons.

As a side note, a second high school football team in Iowa (Harlan) suspended players for making the hand gesture in a team photograph. So please note two things: 1) it's probably not a great idea to teach your kids "the shocker" and 2) don't travel with the Shox to UNI or Drake.

[C0|db|00ded]

I'll stand by my statement: "hand gestures mean different things to different people, so while it may not offend you, you have no place to judge others who may find it offensive".

In terms of logic, I suspect that even my children would agree that it is at best "impolite" and at worst "offensive" to make a gesture that could be construed as disrespectful. I didn't need a doctoral degree to figure that out, but I'm glad I have one so I can help to clarify things to simpletons.

As a side note, a second high school football team in Iowa (Harlan) suspended players for making the hand gesture in a team photograph. So please note two things: 1) it's probably not a great idea to teach your kids "the shocker" and 2) don't travel with the Shox to UNI or Drake.

I didn't need a doctoral degree to figure that out

Two years of college and a 4-year PharmD certificate... :fear::fear::fear:

Excuse me sir, can you tell me which aisle the condoms are on?


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[outpost]

So Cold, this is what I, as a parent, can look forward to?

My son started school this fall....in pre-pharmacy. :doh: :doh:

Don't think he'll be asking JPA to "show him the ropes."

[DUBulldog]

Two years of college and a 4-year PharmD certificate... :fear::fear::fear:

Excuse me sir, can you tell me which aisle the condoms are on?

C0|d, C0|d, C0|d.....if only your father had asked that question about 30 years ago. :lol::innocent: <j/k>

No matter how you want to break it down, it's 6 years of college, and starting salaries close to $100,000 per year. :yes:

[jaypharmalum]

C0|d, C0|d, C0|d.....if only your father had asked that question about 30 years ago. :lol::innocent: <j/k>

No matter how you want to break it down, it's 6 years of college, and starting salaries close to $100,000 per year. :yes:

I think about 50% of my graduating class had 8 yrs of college (4 yr undergraduate degrees + 4 yrs of Rx school), with about 25% then completing general practice and/or a specialty residency.

Good luck to your son, outpost. In all sincerity, feel free to have him contact me if he ever has questions regarding the profession.

[Dawg_tired]

http://members.cox.net/econoshox/shockertattoo

Now THAT'S school spirit!


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Every trailer court has an idiot. But if he wants to announce it to the world via a tatoo, guess that's his choice. He'll be wearing a wife beater to the games.

[C0|db|00ded]

C0|d, C0|d, C0|d.....if only your father had asked that question about 30 years ago. :lol::innocent: <j/k>

No matter how you want to break it down, it's 6 years of college, and starting salaries close to $100,000 per year. :yes:

:lol::lol::naughty:

For a six year investment (time & money) and no job discrimination based on the institution attended, it has about the best bank for the buck of any degree you can get right now!

Prudent people should be relatively quiet about touting the PharmD though.. It's definitely no P.H.D. or M.D.

Prudent Creightonians?

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[Carrcar]

:lol::lol::naughty:

Prudent people should be relatively quiet about touting the PharmD though.. It's definitely no P.H.D. or M.D.


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Clo|db|utted,
In my anesthesia practice I deal with pharmacists daily...your ignorance is exquisite.

[rjl]

The hand gesture is only offensive to those who wish to be offended.

Those who wish to be offended are those who are threatened.

Those who are threatened are so out of fear.

[BearAttack]

http://webs.wichita.edu/gs/shockerwallpaper/rockinbig.jpg

[BearAttack]

Shocker (hand gesture)
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Example of the Shocker.The shocker is a hand gesture with a sexual connotation. The ring finger and thumb are curled or bent down while the other fingers are extended. The index and middle fingers are kept together (touching) and the back of the hand faces outwards (away from the gesturer).[1]


[edit] Reference
The gesture refers to the act of inserting the index and middle fingers into a vagina and the pinky finger into the anus. Because of its explicit sexual connotation, the shocker is sometimes considered vulgar. Occasionally, the thumb may be positioned so that it may stimulate the clitoris. Mnemonic rhymes are used in order to remember its meaning, including "two in the pink, one in the stink" and "two in the goo, one in the poo". [1]

The shocker is generally referred to as being "given," "thrown up," "delivered," or "popped" rather than "shown", as with "the finger."


[edit] References
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Shocker_example.jpg/180px-Shocker_example.jpg

[crjays1]

The hand gesture is only offensive to those who wish to be offended.

Those who wish to be offended are those who are threatened.

Those who are threatened are so out of fear.

Ignorance is bliss!

Stupid post of the year nominee #1

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

are you little girls still crying over this?

[Omahaboundshock]

Shocker (hand gesture)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

Example of the Shocker.The shocker is a hand gesture with a sexual connotation. The ring finger and thumb are curled or bent down while the other fingers are extended. The index and middle fingers are kept together (touching) and the back of the hand faces outwards (away from the gesturer).[1]


[edit] Reference
The gesture refers to the act of inserting the index and middle fingers into a vagina and the pinky finger into the anus. Because of its explicit sexual connotation, the shocker is sometimes considered vulgar. Occasionally, the thumb may be positioned so that it may stimulate the clitoris. Mnemonic rhymes are used in order to remember its meaning, including "two in the pink, one in the stink" and "two in the goo, one in the poo". [1]

The shocker is generally referred to as being "given," "thrown up," "delivered," or "popped" rather than "shown", as with "the finger."


[edit] References
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Shocker_example.jpg/180px-Shocker_example.jpg


First of all I don't see anyone in your picture of the Shockers making the same gesture shown or described in your urban definition of the shocker.

All of the people in the picture doing the WSU shocker have their thumbs out, the urban defintion and picture have the thumb curled or bent down.

Second, if you want to use urban defintions of words, then some people might find the Missouri State BEARS offensive:

This definition of BEAR from the urban dictionary:

bear

A chubby homosexual with a lot of body hair.

example: Scott Cape is a bear.

[Omahaboundshock]

FYI- Some other definitions of Shocker in the URBAN dictionary:

26. Shocker

The Hand Symbol used at the University of Houston.

aka "The Cougar Sign"

The cougar sign, made by folding in the ring finger of the hand towards the palm, has several stories explaining its meaning. The true story of its origin, however, dates back to 1953, the first time UH played the University of Texas in football. Since this was their first meeting, members of Alpha Phi Omega, the service fraternity in charge of taking care of Shasta I, the university's mascot, brought her to the game. During the trip, Shasta's front paw was caught in the car door and one toe was cut off. At the game, members of the opposing team discovered what had happened and began taunting UH players by holding up their hands with the ring finger bent, saying UH's mascot was an invalid and so were our players. Texas went on to win this game 28-7. UH students were very upset by this and began using the sign as notice that they would never let UT forget the incident. Fifteen years later, at their second meeting, the UH Cougars, proudly holding up the now adopted symbol of UH pride, fought Texas to a 20-20

UH did not play Texas again for eight years, our first year as members of the Southwest Conference. The Cougars were on a mission, and in front of 77,809 spectators (at that time the largest crowd ever in attendance at Memorial Stadium) slammed the lid on the disgrace Texas had attempted to put upon UH 23 years earlier. The final score was the University of Houston Cougars, 30, the Texas Longhorns, 0.

"Shock 'em Coogs" -- What we Cougars say at sports functions

29. shocker

Australian slang (possibly used elsewhere).

Used to describe a person who is surprisingly foolish or inept. Not entirely derogatory - moreso a playful taunt.

"Geez, Joe, you're such a shocker!!"
(after Joe did something stupid)

"Wow, MJ had a real shocker in that game - he only scored 11 points!"
(a woeful sporting performance will often get this call)






30. shocker

A paintball gun made by Smart Parts that is very common in tournament paintball

33. shocker

Something that is hard to believe

"They have gangs in wyoming. Thats a shocker."


34. shocker

A name of a gang in the sububrbs of Gillette Wyoming

Shocker never die shocker for life


shockers

An NCAA Division 1 College located in Wichita, Kansas. School nickmame - "Shockers"



"What are you doing tonight?"
"Gonna watch the Shockers light up Tennessee in the NCAA b-ball tournament"


I like the last definition the best!

[DoubleJayAlum]

FYI- Some other definitions of Shocker in the URBAN dictionary:

29. shocker

Australian slang (possibly used elsewhere).

Used to describe a person who is surprisingly foolish or inept. Not entirely derogatory - moreso a playful taunt.

"Geez, Joe, you're such a shocker!!"
(after Joe did something stupid)

I've always wondered where the Shocker name came from. Now I know. Deep down, I guess I knew the origin all along. :innocent:

[Ricky Del Rio]

Please note, I don't find "the shocker" personally offensive. However, if someone is offended by it, then it becomes an offensive gesture. Pretty simple really. The original story was from a small high school in Iowa - people there were offended by it apparently.

Here's a question - what would happen if a WSU fan was asked to leave an opposing arena after making said gesture? Don't laugh, it could happen.

If you want to complain about the coarsening of America and you wish to use the hand gesture as an example, then fine.

To complain that some are offended seems weak to me. We spend way too much time with correctness in America. Way too much time.

Given the amount of time you have spent on this subject, you must be a liberal. Liberals, as you know, are the inventors of correctness, particularly political correctness. By gawd, we cannot offend anyone.

[iSASO]

And then there is the lowest form of life - the extreme liberal lawyer. You know them. They are the ones convincing folks that they were offended by something so they can file suit against anyone and everyone associated with the contrived offense.

It is a disgrace when people go out of their way to be offended so they can raise a stink about it. This thread smacks of that practice.

[WSUbballer]

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[DoubleJayAlum]

It is a disgrace when people go out of their way to be offended so they can raise a stink about it. This thread smacks of that practice.

As does every single one of your posts...

[iSASO]

Here's what offends me:

A president lying about having sex with an intern.

An NFL QB and his buddies lying about dog fighting and wishing everyone would just leave them alone to carry on with their federal crimes.

An NBA center pursuing a rap music career when he should be shooting free throws.

Very little else bothers me, so I don't know what you're talking about and neither do you.

[MoValley John]

This thread was so much more funny when we could just look at this picture and laugh.
http://espn.go.com/media/pg2/2006/0321/photo/667_350.jpg

[Divergence]

Hi Mom!!!

What that I hear? I think it's the Abyss. :salukis: