Lindy's CBB Preview Magazine Out

[txsaluki05]

I don't have the magazine yet, but a fellow Salukitalker does (danesch). Here's what he posted:

If you haven't seen it yet, "Lindy's College Basketball" magazine is out and it's got some great things to say about the Salukis. They pre-season rank us at #19, got Randal Falker down as #12 best Power Forward, and say some other great stuff...

"Randal Falker has improved immensely the past three seasons and should be the odds-on favorite to win the league's player of the year award."

"Keep an eye on: Quietly efficient Matt Shaw is capable of a breakout year, as he will be asked to be more of a scorer this season."

Their MVC picks:
1. Southern Illinois
2. Missouri St.
3. Illinois St.
4. Creighton
5. Bradley
6. Indiana St.
7. Wichita St.
8. Northern Iowa
9. Drake
10. Evansville

The weird thing is they have Ruffin, and Crouch from Bradley on their First Team All Conference... but yet they pick Bradley to finish 5th. Hugh?

Randal made First Team, Matt 2nd, and Bryan 3rd. Boy they're underestimating Bryan!!!

Too many quotes to list... just pick up the mag. if you get a chance.

The predicted standings are sure to raise some solid discussion, especially with ISU blue being so high and Bradley so low. If anyone else has any info from the mag and can post it that'd be sweet! I'll try and pick up a copy asap and post what else I can find.

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[blueblood]

Who's this Matt Shaw guy?

[Pocket Aces]

They like ISU red don't they? They are really going the right direction, but do they jump all the way to third in the conference this year? I was thinking more like 5th or maybe 6th. I think WSU is too low. Too much talent remaining to finish 7th. In my opinion ISU blue is picked too high as well. I think WSU and Northen Iowa both finish above them. Unfortunately, I think they have the Aces pegged right. Improvement will happen it just may take more than this year.

How about a preseason basketball publication that is out before the start of college football!

[AndShock]

2 out of 3 returning from the 2nd best backcourt in the nation a year ago, and still 7th in the MVC. That's a shame.

[Pocket Aces]

I couldn't resist. I went out to get the mag. I know it's one publications opinion, and ultimately means very little, but here are their conference rankings. Almost humorous.

1. Pac 10
2. SEC
3. Big East
4. ACC
5. Big 12
6. Big 10
7. A-10
8. Conference USA
9. CAA
10. Mountain West
11. WCC
12. MISSOURI VALLEY
13. WAC
14. Horizon
15. Southern

[siudog]

There is only one magazine that I get now and that is the Blue Ribbon. Just the facts sir.. just the facts..

:salukis::braves::jays::bulldogs::aces::redbirds:: sycamores::bears::panthers::shockers::valley:

[DoubleJayAlum]

2 out of 3 returning from the 2nd best backcourt in the nation a year ago, and still 7th in the MVC. That's a shame.

Perhaps after last year's performance, the authors determined that the WSU backcourt was a bit overrated.

I'm not sure what to think of the conference rating. Let's be honest here, the MVC graduated a LOT of talent: Funk, Tolliver, Stout, Wilson, Ahearn, Tatum, Young, etc., etc. There are more unknowns than there have been in a long time.

[Pocket Aces]

There is only one magazine that I get now and that is the Blue Ribbon. Just the facts sir.. just the facts..

:salukis::braves::jays::bulldogs::aces::redbirds:: sycamores::bears::panthers::shockers::valley:

I get the others because I can't get enough college b-ball, but you are correct in saying that Blue Ribbon is at the top of the list.

[txsaluki05]

I couldn't resist. I went out to get the mag. I know it's one publications opinion, and ultimately means very little, but here are their conference rankings. Almost humorous.

1. Pac 10
2. SEC
3. Big East
4. ACC
5. Big 12
6. Big 10
7. A-10
8. Conference USA
9. CAA
10. Mountain West
11. WCC
12. MISSOURI VALLEY
13. WAC
14. Horizon
15. Southern

If Conference USA finishes ahead of the MVC at the end of the season I'll streak the MVC Tournament championship on CBS.

[TNMSUFAN]

Well, it is nice to get a little love from a publication after CHN tossed us to the wolves with the #93 pick

[TNMSUFAN]

2 out of 3 returning from the 2nd best backcourt in the nation a year ago, and still 7th in the MVC. That's a shame.

No disrespect meant towards Bradley BUT aren't those 2 the only returning players with Valley experience. I know there was a rumor about Salley not coming back (if he does come back that changes things a little bit) and with all of the new guys there seems to be some unknowns. I know the incoming class is very good, and BU will probably be better than 5th, just saying I could see someone looking at only 2 players returning with experience.

[iSASO]

I think 7th place might be a little high for WSU this season. After all, what have any of the current players ever done at the collegiate level? What have the coaches ever done at the college level to deserve any expectations in their first year?

Can anyone tell me where Winthrop was picked in the their conference prior to Gregg Marshall's first season, coming off a 7-win season?

[Dawgbit]

2 out of 3 returning from the 2nd best backcourt in the nation a year ago, and still 7th in the MVC. That's a shame.


So you are saying that SIU had nation's best backcourt last year?

[DoubleJayAlum]

No disrespect meant towards Bradley BUT aren't those 2 the only returning players with Valley experience. I know there was a rumor about Salley not coming back (if he does come back that changes things a little bit) and with all of the new guys there seems to be some unknowns. I know the incoming class is very good, and BU will probably be better than 5th, just saying I could see someone looking at only 2 players returning with experience.

I know it may sound incredible, but AndShock was actually referencing the WSU backcourt. Apparently the Lindy's prognosticators of 2007didn't take into account the effect that fornication with a teammate's girlfriend might have on a backcourt's effectiveness.

[TNMSUFAN]

I know it may sound incredible, but AndShock was actually referencing the WSU backcourt. Apparently the Lindy's prognosticators of 2007didn't take into account the effect that fornication with a teammate's girlfriend might have on a backcourt's effectiveness.

My bad I should have looked at the post closer because I was thinking he was talking about Bradley.

[user1]

I know there was a rumor about Salley not coming back

Salley is back and is not leaving, and is also picked Preseason All Conference by Lindy's (3rd Team)

[numbr_9]

2 out of 3 returning from the 2nd best backcourt in the nation a year ago, and still 7th in the MVC. That's a shame.

WSU didn't even have the best backcourt in the MVC, let alone 2nd best in the nation! lol

[TNMSUFAN]

Salley is back and is not leaving, and is also picked Preseason All Conference by Lindy's (3rd Team)

Good to hear he is back. I was just going off what some BU posters said a few weeks back and I didn't remember reading any confirmation that he was in school.

[dakyne]

what publication predicted WSU's backcourt was 2nd best in the country pre- last season? Were they friggin' on crack?

[AndShock]

I never said I think or thought WSU had the 2nd best backcourt in the nation, or were going to have the 2nd best backcourt in the nation before last year's season started. I was just saying, Lindy's was the one that predicted WSU would have the 2nd best backcourt in the nation, and that was obviously not even close. Just proves how credible Lindy's is.

[C0|db|00ded]

what publication predicted WSU's backcourt was 2nd best in the country pre- last season? Were they friggin' on crack?

Probably not on crack, probably just basing it on the way that backcourt dismantled the #2 seed the previous year on their way to the Sweet Sixteen. With the addition of Gal Mekel (a highly recruited guard), it was a fair guess that we would have a pretty potent guard line-up. With the way we started the year (breaking records at Syracuse etc. and achieving a #8 consensus rating) they probably weren't far off in their prediction. What they couldn't predict was the "off-court drama" and chemistry issues that led to the teams' wheels flying off.


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[MoValley John]

And ColdBlooded is back!!!!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

I look forward to the Trash Talk forum lighting up like the Vegas strip!!!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[txsaluki05]

Probably not on crack, probably just basing it on the way that backcourt dismantled the #2 seed the previous year on their way to the Sweet Sixteen. With the addition of Gal Mekel (a highly recruited guard), it was a fair guess that we would have a pretty potent guard line-up. With the way we started the year (breaking records at Syracuse etc. and achieving a #8 consensus rating) they probably weren't far off in their prediction. What they couldn't predict was the "off-court drama" and chemistry issues that led to the teams' wheels flying off.


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Sorry boss, but your "epic" road trip to Syracuse and LSU were ridiculously overrated teams, which vaulted your overrated team right up there until reality set in, and by reality I mean conference play.

[dakyne]

andshock,

I never said I think or thought WSU had the 2nd best backcourt in the nation, or were going to have the 2nd best backcourt in the nation before last year's season started. I was just saying, Lindy's was the one that predicted WSU would have the 2nd best backcourt in the nation, and that was obviously not even close. Just proves how credible Lindy's is.

That's why I didn't say you thought WSU's guards were the 2nd best group of guards in the nation. I specifically asked what publication thought that, so we're both on the same page there.

[dakyne]

txsaluki,

Actually, both coldblooded and you could be correct, as strange as that may sound. His reasons for the lofty (yet unrealistic) assessments of the WSU backcourt are plausible. That is, until reality set in, as you mentioned...

[C0|db|00ded]

Sorry boss, but your "epic" road trip to Syracuse and LSU were ridiculously overrated teams, which vaulted your overrated team right up there until reality set in, and by reality I mean conference play.

I'm sure "reality" had nothing at all to do with the highly publicized drama that went on between a few players and a certain woman. It was easy to see that our team played a VERY different game after they left Las Vegas.

No, Syracuse didn't have a traditional powerhouse year but they were still full of "Burger Boys", "5 Stars" etc., and ended up with solid wins over a VERY strong Georgetown, and good wins over teams like Villanova and Marquette. While ending up with an RPI of #50 isn't going to excite anyone, it was better than all of the MVC except for two teams. What we did to Syracuse in the Carrier Dome broke many records which have stood the test of time for nearly 30 years. Our team was playing a very different brand of ball over that stretch than what they played when they lost to "powerhouses" like Drake, Illinois St., Indiana St., and New Mexico (All RPI's over 100).

Our win over #67 LSU maybe wasn't as impressive but they did go on to beat #11 Texas A&M and #2 Florida AFTER we beat them. Sure Syracuse and LSU were inconsistent and LSU was probably suffering from motivational issues after their Final Four run the previous year, but I can assure you that if we played both of those teams again later in the year we would have gotten blasted. We simply were not the same team after we left Vegas.

All this being said, when our team did fall apart we still managed to play the "venerable" Salukis to five points on their home floor! Imagine that!!??111 :fear:

We had a great run during the rebirth of Shocker Basketball (Turgeon Era) highlighted by a #8 consensus national ranking. Now it's time for the sleeping giant to make new strides and bring WSU Basketball back to the level that everybody in Wichita as well as Kansas remembers AND expects. This will hopefully be remembered as the "Marshall Era".


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[DoubleJayAlum]

Just my opinion, but wins over schools that didn't even make the NCAA tourney shouldn't be called "epic". If that is the criterion, then every single D1 school has several epic wins each and every year.

[dakyne]

doublejay,

Agreed, but put within the context that coldblooded provided, something fundamentally wrong occurred last season to really disrupt WSU's chemistry. Since I didn't follow VT at all last season, can someone fill the rest of us in on what happened? All I got was that a girlfriend of a player became frisky with another player. You would think a mature team could overcome something like that, but that's something that could potentially be fairly disruptive to team chemistry.

[C0|db|00ded]

Just my opinion, but wins over schools that didn't even make the NCAA tourney shouldn't be called "epic". If that is the criterion, then every single D1 school has several epic wins each and every year.

Probably not "epic" wins but txsaluki05 can't help it if during his attempts at being sarcastic he betrays his own agenda by reintroducing the LSU/SU road swing thus tainting his efforts with jealousy. It is quite clear to most college basketball fans that two road wins against brand names like LSU and SU are going to carry much more weight than two wins over Wright St. and Weber St. (both NCAA Tourney teams). It all comes down to quality of personnel. Teams like Syracuse and LSU have their pick of top high-school graduates and while determination can overcome talent in college basketball, the obvious lack of athletic parity is clear enough to those who vote in the polls to make a difference.

The fact is, the only two teams in the last 10 years to have several media-splashing wins in one year are WSU and BU with BU having the definite edge by beating Kansas and Pitt in the tournament.

I don't mean to discount SIU-C's recent S16 but Holy Cross and V-Tech? Thank you 4th seed.

It's best to just stick to revelling in one's own successes and try not to focus on other school's successes -for example, WSU's.


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[BeeLine]

Imagine that, another poorly researched and delusional post by Cold. While LSU and Syracuse were neither NCAA tourney teams, when the Bears beat Wisc. and Tenn. back to back in 99, both were. Gosh, back to back wins against quality BCS conference programs and NCAA Tourney teams to boot[ 4th and 5th seeds], and it wasn't WSU. I'm not sure that other teams haven't also had similar success as Cold incorrectly asserted[ should have stuck to his own advice about not focusing on what other teams have or haven't done], but he was right in that at least two teams, Bradley and Missouri State, did so in the national spotlight of the NCAA Tourney.
Thanks for setting the stage for that little Bear Facts reminder Cold.

[C0|db|00ded]

Imagine that, another poorly researched and delusional post by Cold. While LSU and Syracuse were neither NCAA tourney teams, when the Bears beat Wisc. and Tenn. back to back in 99, both were. Gosh, back to back wins against quality BCS conference programs and NCAA Tourney teams to boot[ 4th and 5th seeds], and it wasn't WSU. I'm not sure that other teams haven't also had similar success as Cold incorrectly asserted[ should have stuck to his own advice about not focusing on what other teams have or haven't done], but he was right in that at least two teams, Bradley and Missouri State, did so in the national spotlight of the NCAA Tourney.
Thanks for setting the stage for that little Bear Facts reminder Cold.

If you could only look into my eyes you would be able to easily discern the sincere pain I feel for forgetting about SWOMO's "huge" 43-32 victory over Wisconsin in the first round of the 1999 tournament. :doh: This does bring up an interesting question though: Would ANYBODY think of Wisconsin as a "powerhouse" back in 1999? They didn't start making a name for themselves until 2000 on. They finished 8th, 9th, or 10th place in the Big 10, 16 of the preceding 21 years before your astounding "shooting" display knocked them out of the tournament.

Considering LSU's and Syracuse's recent successes, I don't think Wisconsin would apply in the argument I have laid out. When we beat LSU and Syracuse they had a golden reputation. The East coast media sat straight up when we handled SU in the Carrier Dome in front of about 30,000...

Hey, don't get me wrong.. I'm rootin' for you guys down there in moonshine land, and if it makes you feel any better I will include SWOMO as a team in the last 10 years (barely) that has achieved two "media-splash" victories in one year as well.

P.S. Don't look too far back into Wisconsin's basketball history.. it makes Drake and Baylor look like KU and UNC. Powerhouse, Wisconsin was not... :no:


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[BeeLine]

Nice attempt at trying to remove the egg from your face and spin the facts; noticed you commented on the score of the Wisconsin game but omitted the 30 point pasting [81-51] we put on Tennessee. Me thinks the jealousy you accuse others of is reaking out your pores . Your attempt at trying to assign the moment at which Wisconsin became a reputable program is a sad effort. Facts are facts and Wisconsin and Tennessee were NCAA Tourney teams, BCS conference Teams, and 5th and 4th place seeds in the NCAA Tourney. LSU and Syracuse were just average teams last year, regardless of past reputation.
We hardly need you to include us in your silly "media splash " victory list. We know what they meant, we don't have to try to fabricate it on a chat board.

[MoValley John]

What Cold wrote:
If you could only look into my eyes you would be able to easily discern the sincere pain I feel for forgetting about SWOMO's "huge" 43-32 victory over Wisconsin in the first round of the 1999 tournament. :doh: This does bring up an interesting question though: Would ANYBODY think of Wisconsin as a "powerhouse" back in 1999? They didn't start making a name for themselves until 2000 on. They finished 8th, 9th, or 10th place in the Big 10, 16 of the preceding 21 years before your astounding "shooting" display knocked them out of the tournament.

Considering LSU's and Syracuse's recent successes, I don't think Wisconsin would apply in the argument I have laid out. When we beat LSU and Syracuse they had a golden reputation. The East coast media sat straight up when we handled SU in the Carrier Dome in front of about 30,000...

Hey, don't get me wrong.. I'm rootin' for you guys down there in moonshine land, and if it makes you feel any better I will include SWOMO as a team in the last 10 years (barely) that has achieved two "media-splash" victories in one year as well.

P.S. Don't look too far back into Wisconsin's basketball history.. it makes Drake and Baylor look like KU and UNC. Powerhouse, Wisconsin was not... :no:


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What I read:

blah, blah, blah, Hey, Don't get me wrong... I'm rootin' for you guys down there in moonshine land, blah, blah, blah....

moonshine land :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[dogdays]

Lest anyone should forget , SIU has been to two sweet 16's in the past 6 years...first time with wins over Texas Tech and three seed Georgia....lastly I wouldnt think anyone would forget that the Hokies beat Carolina twice last year and Duke on the road....other significant victories...Indiana in 2001-02(sweet 16 year) the same year the Hoosiers finished second in the NCAA tourney...

[DoubleJayAlum]

dakyne,

What I was trying to state was that I thought the wins over LSU and Syracuse were way overrated. In other words, those wins should not have garnered the vast attention they received because neither of those teams was really all that good, nor was WSU.

WSU's problems were not all related to Ogirri's indiscretions even though Cold wants us to believe otherwise. Other factors included the fact that WSU played in Canada prior to the season and therefore was probably more ready early while other teams went through typical early struggles, only to gel later. WSU also had neither a legitimate 5 nor did they have anyone to backup up Wilson. Injuries to Cousinard and others didn't help the matter any. It appears just as likely that the extra long season, combined with the lack of depth in the front court, caused the team to simply run out of gas.

[dakyne]

dogdays,

Thanks for bringing up those little facts that cold conveniently forgot--you saved me 2 minutes of my life.

:clap:

Either that or my math is wrong and 2001-2002 is longer than 10 years ago.

[dakyne]

doublejay,

Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, it was possible your take and cold's take could have been both right, but I think your latest response is more complete. SU and LSU were not good last year, and thus wins over them were overrated. Past reputation has little to do with current performance. Look at Duke last year.

I believe my "Book of Truths" post is still intact. I just think it's funny that given the enthusiasm coming from some of those claims coming from WSU last year ended up totally wrong, and it's hard to take these posters seriously, not that they ever were taken seriously.

[txsaluki05]

Probably not "epic" wins but txsaluki05 can't help it if during his attempts at being sarcastic he betrays his own agenda by reintroducing the LSU/SU road swing thus tainting his efforts with jealousy. It is quite clear to most college basketball fans that two road wins against brand names like LSU and SU are going to carry much more weight than two wins over Wright St. and Weber St. (both NCAA Tourney teams). It all comes down to quality of personnel. Teams like Syracuse and LSU have their pick of top high-school graduates and while determination can overcome talent in college basketball, the obvious lack of athletic parity is clear enough to those who vote in the polls to make a difference.

The fact is, the only two teams in the last 10 years to have several media-splashing wins in one year are WSU and BU with BU having the definite edge by beating Kansas and Pitt in the tournament.

I don't mean to discount SIU-C's recent S16 but Holy Cross and V-Tech? Thank you 4th seed.

It's best to just stick to revelling in one's own successes and try not to focus on other school's successes -for example, WSU's.


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So if your wins against SU and LSU carried "so much weight", that means that SU and LSU should've made the tournament right? You make no sense!

Syracuse and LSU were horrendous last year, and they were ridiculously overrated to start the season. Cold, had they been legitimately good last year, then yes I would've been jealous b/c that would've been a great schedule. Still a great scheduling effort by the late Turg though, who is a great coach.

[MoValley John]

So if your wins against SU and LSU carried "so much weight", that means that SU and LSU should've made the tournament right? You make no sense!

Syracuse and LSU were horrendous last year, and they were ridiculously overrated to start the season. Cold, had they been legitimately good last year, then yes I would've been jealous b/c that would've been a great schedule. Still a great scheduling effort by the late Turg though, who is a great coach.

So what you are saying is that in November you were jealous of Wichita State, but by January, you weren't.

[C0|db|00ded]

So if your wins against SU and LSU carried "so much weight", that means that SU and LSU should've made the tournament right? You make no sense!

Syracuse and LSU were horrendous last year, and they were ridiculously overrated to start the season. Cold, had they been legitimately good last year, then yes I would've been jealous b/c that would've been a great schedule. Still a great scheduling effort by the late Turg though, who is a great coach.

They carried enough weight to propel us to a consensus #8 in the nation. When was the last time the Ugly Dawgs were #8? All this based on reputation and not oncourt success. That is called a "media splash". However, maybe it wasn't LSU and SU that took us to #8, maybe it was just the national media throwing its arms around its favorite Midwestern media darling.. :lol::innocent: Do you like the sound of that better? :banana:

Ridiculously overrated huh? Syracuse beat Final Four participant Georgetown by 14 points on February 26th, only a couple weeks before the NCAA Tournament. LSU beat national champion Florida by 10 points on February 24th, also just a few weeks before the tournament. I think the better term would be inconsistent. They clearly had the talent to compete with the best teams in the nation. We beat both of those teams... on their home floor.

txsaluki: "Early in the season... Canada trip..."

yada yada yada..

We faced the same players and at times (in Syracuse's case) completely embarrassed them.

As far as being jealous, I am very confident you were because you still appear to be with your dogged determination in discounting an achievement (national ranking) that you most likely will only be able to dream about. Last year it was as quiet as a church on this forum as our school's name was continuously scrolled at the bottom of ESPN's top-10 scoreboard ticker. :clap:

Most of Valleytalk pretended to be :sleeping:

But in reality they were :shutup::banghead:

Now after the embarrassing collapse they seem to be :bounceblue:

Which simply points out to the undeniable fact that WSU carries the target. We garner more than our share of attention from media and fanbases alike. This isn't a bad thing because this reality is the reason why we are the only Valley school in modern history to actually snag a legitimate, BCS-courted, national media loved, young coach primed for a big job, after our current coach decides to roll the dice for a "bigger job". We didn't promote an assistant, or somebody else's assistant, we hired one of the "hottest" coaches in line for a big job on the coaching market. And I think we got him for a bargain! :original:

It is a great day to be a Shocker!


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[C0|db|00ded]

So what you are saying is that in November you were jealous of Wichita State, but by January, you weren't.

You beat me to it MVJ. See, it's so easy isn't it? :clap:


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[MoValley John]

You beat me to it MVJ. See, it's so easy isn't it? :clap:


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Well I wasn't tring to start anything this weekend, but when a guy puts it up on a tee for you, ya gotta swing away.

[Chairman of the Boards]

Well I wasn't tring to start anything this weekend, but when a guy puts it up on a tee for you, ya gotta swing away.

... and you knocked that one way out of the park! :clap:

[iSASO]

Actually guys, it wasn't all that quiet on thie forum as WSU's name scrolled across the screen as a Top 10 Team...there were these comments to remember:

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here's the deal, I don't think they have a chance to win. So why argue the point. The down low presence of LSU can not be over come by <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wichita</st1:place></st1:City>...they don't have the personnel. MSU isn't as good as their fans would like to think, and they're games have been abberations in my opinion, they won't have an answer for Alando Tucker. The only scenario in which I can see <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wichita</st1:place></st1:City> and MSU winning is if Davis and Tucker get injured.

If Wichita or MSU play a different school say like UNC or Fla. who are just as good as LSU and Wisc they would have a better chance of winning those games, because their personnel matches up better.<o:p></o:p>
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No jealousy? Right.

[Dawgbit]

How did WSU (aka Pervert State University) do against the Salukis last year?

[txsaluki05]

They carried enough weight to propel us to a consensus #8 in the nation. When was the last time the Ugly Dawgs were #8? All this based on reputation and not oncourt success. That is called a "media splash". However, maybe it wasn't LSU and SU that took us to #8, maybe it was just the national media throwing its arms around its favorite Midwestern media darling.. :lol::innocent: Do you like the sound of that better? :banana:

Ridiculously overrated huh? Syracuse beat Final Four participant Georgetown by 14 points on February 26th, only a couple weeks before the NCAA Tournament. LSU beat national champion Florida by 10 points on February 24th, also just a few weeks before the tournament. I think the better term would be inconsistent. They clearly had the talent to compete with the best teams in the nation. We beat both of those teams... on their home floor.

txsaluki: "Early in the season... Canada trip..."

yada yada yada..

We faced the same players and at times (in Syracuse's case) completely embarrassed them.

As far as being jealous, I am very confident you were because you still appear to be with your dogged determination in discounting an achievement (national ranking) that you most likely will only be able to dream about. Last year it was as quiet as a church on this forum as our school's name was continuously scrolled at the bottom of ESPN's top-10 scoreboard ticker. :clap:

Most of Valleytalk pretended to be :sleeping:

But in reality they were :shutup::banghead:

Now after the embarrassing collapse they seem to be :bounceblue:

Which simply points out to the undeniable fact that WSU carries the target. We garner more than our share of attention from media and fanbases alike. This isn't a bad thing because this reality is the reason why we are the only Valley school in modern history to actually snag a legitimate, BCS-courted, national media loved, young coach primed for a big job, after our current coach decides to roll the dice for a "bigger job". We didn't promote an assistant, or somebody else's assistant, we hired one of the "hottest" coaches in line for a big job on the coaching market. And I think we got him for a bargain! :original:

It is a great day to be a Shocker!


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The only target on Wichita's back is the one for 7th place.

LSU and Syracuse last year were nowhere close to their early rankings, so when you beat them you weren't beating Top 10 teams but rather Top 100's. You didn't vault into the Top 10 b/c you guys are media darlings, you garnered that spot b/c you beat two overrated teams, that is all.

Refresh my memory ... how'd the rest of the season for the "#8 team in the country" turn out?

Media darlings :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[iSASO]

Nice catch, Cold. It's amazing how those fish never tire of the same old bait.

[dakyne]

yeah, sure, lose a debate, use the "bait" card. I could almost understand it if some WSU fans were Duke fans, but come on,--it's WSU. You weren't even the best WSU last year--Washington St. and Wright State at least made the NCAA's. Did you guys even get into the NIT last year? No, which means you weren't even in the top 96--yet WSU are media darlings?

Words of wisdom: get a grip. No one outside of WSU knows or gives a crap about the great WSU dynasty in the 80's, just like no one cares whether the Shockers finished 7th in the MVC or not--it's just not that memorable.

OTOH, ESPN knows enough about the Salukis to schedule a Creighton game on GameDay.

One great year in 20 is all you guys have to cling on to.

[iSASO]

I guess we can always talk about SIU's alleged "National Championship."

[dakyne]

isaso,

Who in God's name is predicting an SIU national championship (other than an ongoing running joke in SalukiTalk with one particular poster)?

You just pointed out the difference between several WSU fans last year and SIU fans this year. We aren't saying SIU is too good for the MVC. But we have every right to say that SIU has owned WSU for many years, but we're not even pointing that out. All we're saying is that we have been dancing for 6 straight years, and it's likely that the streak will continue for a couple more years, barring unforeseen events.

Let's face it: a bunch of WSU fans on VT were "wrong-way Corrigans". Just suck it up and take it like a wheathead. And no need to try to implicate others into your club, because the comparison doesn't fit. Perhaps it is WSU fans who need the reality check.

While some WSU fans may have "repented" during the collapse, it's comments like yours that indicate you haven't really accepted that you were dead wrong. Look in the mirror and keep repeating: "I was wrong--way wrong." It's not that difficult.

Have a nice day.

[Dawgbit]

I guess we can always talk about SIU's alleged "National Championship."

It is not "alleged", it happened:

Many fans who are perhaps less concerned about the historical data pertaining to SIUC and its Salukis, like to recall the column penned by the Newark Star-Ledger's Jerry Isenberg in 1967, when the university's Walt Frazier-led basketball team was attacking New York City and the NIT.

Isenberg wrote:

"Princeton has its Tiger. B.C. has its Eagle,
Rutgers is the Queensmen, a title truly regal.
But from frigid New York City to Kentucky's old Paduchee,
There's just one burning question - what the hell is a Saluki?"
Shortly after Coach Jack Hartman's team returned from its 10-day invasion of the "Big Apple" - with the coveted NIT trophy in its collective paws - Pete Brown, SIUC's news service director, answered Isenberg with:

"Old Duke has its Devils Blue; St. Louis plays its Bills.
Texas Western digs the Miners like there's gold in them thar hills.
But from Loo'ville on the bluegrass to St. Peter's on the bogs,
The scene was bad last winter; they all went to the dogs.
(Editor's Note: The Salukis defeated Duke in the NIT quarterfinals; St. Louis in its second game of the season; Texas Western, the defending NCAA champion, at El Paso; Louisville in a re-match after having lost one of their two games to the Cardinals early in the season, and St. Peter's in the first round of the NIT.)

[BeeLine]

Memorable statements coming out of Wichita last year included;
1]How WSU was a destination job and that WSU was able to retain their coach after success while other Valley schools couldn't.
2] How WSU was the only Valley school that could capitalize on their sweet 16 run with scheduling and recruiting perks ready to roll in.
3] How the Shocks were poised to start a run at the top of the Valley , the 80"s were back and CU/SIU would be relegated to 2nd tier status.
Well the coach has bolted , the schedule is average, a third of the team bolted as well and the recruiting had to scronge the late juco options to fill a roster. The self annointed new King of the Valley limped home in 6th place and was sent packing in the opening round of the MVC Tourney losing for a 3rd time in the same season to Missouri State. No one offered even an NIT bid.
You SIU posters with your 6 straight NCAA appearences, multiple sweet 16 appearences, multiple conference rings, and national rep, need to just humble yourselves and admit how much you wish that was you.Your jealousy is so transparent.Yes iSASO and his clever patawan Cold, have once more "fished" you into a public and vivd comparison that allows everyone to see the obvious differences in the two programs. And look how you stand up. Boy are you guys dumb.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Actually guys, it wasn't all that quiet on thie forum as WSU's name scrolled across the screen as a Top 10 Team...there were these comments to remember:

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here's the deal, I don't think they have a chance to win. So why argue the point. The down low presence of LSU can not be over come by <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wichita</st1:place></st1:City>...they don't have the personnel. MSU isn't as good as their fans would like to think, and they're games have been abberations in my opinion, they won't have an answer for Alando Tucker. The only scenario in which I can see <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wichita</st1:place></st1:City> and MSU winning is if Davis and Tucker get injured.

If Wichita or MSU play a different school say like UNC or Fla. who are just as good as LSU and Wisc they would have a better chance of winning those games, because their personnel matches up better.<o:p></o:p>
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CUsidekick05

this is true....i cant wait to see them drop out of the rankings<o:p></o:p>
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Jaypharmalum

I hope you lose every game the rest of the year.<o:p></o:p>
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No jealousy? Right.

Has there ever been a post here that is so ripe with insecurity and a lack of self-esteem? I can just hear I Isaso:

I know what I'll do. I'll show those big meanies. I'll copy and save the posts of everybody who says something bad about WSU. That'll show 'em.

:lol: How pathetic.

I've never been all that impressed with rankings in November. But that's just me.

[outpost]

I'll copy and save the posts of everybody who says something bad about [Insert School Name].

......like that's never been done before on ValleyTalk......:no:

DJA ----> :shutup:

[iSASO]

Has there ever been a post here that is so ripe with insecurity and a lack of self-esteem? I can just hear I Isaso:

I know what I'll do. I'll show those big meanies. I'll copy and save the posts of everybody who says something bad about WSU. That'll show 'em.

:lol: How pathetic.

I've never been all that impressed with rankings in November. But that's just me.


You are wrong. I only save items that are spoken out of hate, ignorance or jealousy. Those are the comments that need to be held up before the masses as a deterrant against future crimes.

And dakyne, please try to keep up.

[MoValley John]

This is a very interesting thread. How long until Cold posts Carbondale trailerpark statistics? This could get fun, could I recommend to everyone that hasn't already purchased one, stop into your local drug store and buy a sphygmomanometer. It's for your own good.

http://www.abdn.ac.uk/medical/bhs/images/booklet/equipmen.jpg

[DUBulldog]

You are wrong. I only save items that are spoken out of hate, ignorance or jealousy. Those are the comments that need to be held up before the masses as a deterrant against future crimes.

How noble. :puke: Do you also save ignorant/hateful/jealous posts from your fellow WSU posters?

[WSUfan]

How noble. :puke: Do you also save ignorant/hateful/jealous posts from your fellow WSU posters?

This is not the type of post I expected from you. :no: Oh well. :grin:
Every school has "bad fans" and almost every fan has considered posted an unfair, unkind, mean or (for Drake fans :innocent: ) drunk comment. How about more :valley: :valley: :valley: and less :argue: ?

[outpost]

How did WSU do against the Islamo-Fascist Dogs last year?

Fixed.

Now to answer your question.......it was like our own local version of 9-11. Happy now?

[C0|db|00ded]

This is not the type of post I expected from you. :no: Oh well. :grin:
Every school has "bad fans" and almost every fan has considered posted an unfair, unkind, mean or (for Drake fans :innocent: ) drunk comment. How about more :valley: :valley: :valley: and less :argue: ?

How about more :valley: :valley: :valley: and less :argue: ?

Riiiiiight... :naughty::naughty::naughty:

It's September now and my season has just begun. Fasten your seat-belts!

It's a great day...


T


...:cool:

[dakyne]

wow, beeline--you're an MSU fan right?--not exactly SIU fans' favorite team, yet you come on here and defend the Salukis.

Some CU fans have also stepped up.

Some WSU fans need to take the hint--something's gone awry with your delusions, er...perceptions.

isaso,

oh, I'm caught up now--so has the rest of the country, and they all know SIU owns WSU. Even you guys know that inwardly--you just can't get yourselves to accept it. As I recommended earlier, it is you who needs the reality check. I think MSU fans know what they have in Barry--WSU fans otoh don't know #### from shinola.

And sorry if I chose to avoid VT for a couple years--I didn't miss you guys that much.

[dakyne]

Hell,

This is getting too easy: fellow MVC fans dumping on WSU, quite deservedly I might add. I might take another yearly hiatus. This isn't even fun anymore, it's so lopsided. This wreaks of desperation, and the stench is hard to take.

In all seriousness, WSU has a good coach, and should have the program back on their feet in a couple years. Of course then, we'll hear of the second coming from the WSU faithful...

[outpost]

....WSU on the other don't know #### from shinola.

The good thing is that...going into this season, nobody else knows either. That's both inside and out of the conference. :naughty:

I didn't miss you guys that much.

I don't think that anyone missed you either. :no:

See you in a couple more years? That's too much to hope for.

[dakyne]

outpost,

True, your blanket statement is obviously true, as no one has a crystal ball, but I would say some have a little more credibility than others, dontcha think?

CLo downplaying previous recruits, and uncharacteristically pumping up his recent recruits tends to have a little more weight than some pointy-headed self-appointed WSU poster on VT.

Let's get this straight: other MVC fans aren't bashing some WSU fans because they were totally wrong--they're bashing them because of their obnoxiously insufferable droning on about the superiority of WSU. Show some humility, and perhaps others may show you some respect.

[iSASO]

daknye, I think you lost your sense of humor during your hiatus. You should re-trace your steps in hopes of finding it. In other words, you're taking this too seriously. Live a little, life is short.

And by the way, that recommendation on INTC was right on the money.

[dakyne]

ISASO,

To be honest, I never had a sense of humor when it came to several VT posters--hence the hiatus. And I don't need to be happy or feeling jolly all the time--sometimes being focused is more enjoyable to me--like trying to figure out why my draw has turned into a fade after taking a lesson to cure my hook. Or worrying about which way my putt will roll--or more importantly, how fast the greens are. I'm making a point to play as many new courses as possible, as I am tiring of my home course.

You're right: life is too short and like many Saluki fans, I had no need for VT anymore. When I first signed up, most posters were willing to share some basketball knowledge with a twist of some smack. I think the ratio has reversed, and many fans left for that reason, including me.

As for INTC, I hope your entry was timely and you made decent coin. They're still solid, despite losing market share to AMD, but I wouldn't sell them just yet, as they expect recording earnings. They just gotta use some of their muscle to gain some ground in China.

I still have some, but have forgotten about them. I'm more into something that has guarantees against the downside, but participation with any upside. I wish I had known about this vehicle 7 years ago. That's my regret. Leaving VT was a no-brainer.

[WSUbballer]

Memorable statements coming out of Wichita last year included;
1]How WSU was a destination job and that WSU was able to retain their coach after success while other Valley schools couldn't.
2] How WSU was the only Valley school that could capitalize on their sweet 16 run with scheduling and recruiting perks ready to roll in.
3] How the Shocks were poised to start a run at the top of the Valley , the 80"s were back and CU/SIU would be relegated to 2nd tier status.
Well the coach has bolted , the schedule is average, a third of the team bolted as well and the recruiting had to scronge the late juco options to fill a roster. The self annointed new King of the Valley limped home in 6th place and was sent packing in the opening round of the MVC Tourney losing for a 3rd time in the same season to Missouri State. No one offered even an NIT bid.
You SIU posters with your 6 straight NCAA appearences, multiple sweet 16 appearences, multiple conference rings, and national rep, need to just humble yourselves and admit how much you wish that was you.Your jealousy is so transparent.Yes iSASO and his clever patawan Cold, have once more "fished" you into a public and vivd comparison that allows everyone to see the obvious differences in the two programs. And look how you stand up. Boy are you guys dumb.

I think I see a pattern to your posting habits on here.
You only post:
1.) When talking up Springfield's #1 attendance-drawing show, those amazing Lady Bears
2.) Anything in response to WSU

Try to post more about the Bears this year so your insecurities don't look so obvious..

[WSUbballer]

I've never been all that impressed with rankings in November. But that's just me.

Take a look back on here and the ol' Bluejay Cafe in November of last year. Those places were buzzing all over CU's Top 20 predictions.

Then those mighty Cornhuskers dashed all of the fun. :doh:

[WSUbballer]

Oh ya and to keep on topic.. I think it's funny how some people are bashing all of the November rankings and wins of years past, but yet some here accept Lindy's preview to be the word of God (because of course SIU is picked first in it.) No SIU fans seem to argue their rankings.

[dogdays]

Man, what is it that some of you dont see...
Of course pre season rankings are meaningless...the only thing that really counts is the end result...I think what some shocker fans are missing here is that several WSU fans on this board go out of their way to incite, brag etc about how great WSU is and that they are this and that of the Valley...you dont see nearly as many SIU fans or CU fans or BU fans doing the same thing...the fact is SIU has a 6 year record to stand on...WSU has for the most part a one year flash to stand on in the past ten years...that is why the bravado seems and is so ridiculous...seems pretty simple to me. Thus the rancor of many fans toward the Shocker fatihful on this board.

[iSASO]

I just wish this forum was like the other conference boards around the country - all Peace and Love all the time.

Witness on the Big Ten board, Michigan and Michigan State fans locked hand in hand, strolling down Lover's Lane to meet up with a couple of other sweethearts--Indiana and Illinois fans.

Witness the Big 12 board, Texas and OU fans joining a Kumbahya circle with KU and Missouri fans - sharing the fellowship only true soulmates can share.

Now let's check in with Duke and UNC fans. Ah, yes, the communal oneness of those two fanbases is pure magic.

If we could only get along like everyone else.

[dakyne]

No one is saying we should all get along. But it helps to some semblance of reality when debating, arguing, or shouting at each other.

That's why kids will be kids...

[Divergence]

But it helps to some semblance of reality when debating, arguing, or shouting at each other.

Oh! You mean like the GawdShawGawd Debacle.....

BahWaHHAWwaww!!!

:drool:

[iSASO]

And you can't forget the classic "SIU is the greatest team in MVC history".

[dakyne]

Shaw may well end up all-MVC. Admittedly, that doesn't translate to the all-God team, but that was a running joke, and grew a life of its own. Personally, Matt Shaw's career so far has met my expectations. He hasn't been all-world, but he certainly isn't a bust.

I don't recall the comments about SIU being the greatest MVC team in history. I would think a couple WSU and BU teams in the 80's who could lay claim to that. The SIU 1967 NIT championship team would also be a contender for that title, altho they weren't in the MVC at the time.

But your point is taken about how one can't always judge a whole fan base solely due to comments by a fringe minority.

[Dawgbit]

Oh! You mean like the GawdShawGawd Debacle.....

BahWaHHAWwaww!!!

:drool:

Shaw seems to have pretty well against the Shuckers the last three years. Of course, the entire Saluki team has too.

[Divergence]

Shaw seems to have pretty well against the Shuckers the last three years. Of course, the entire Saluki team has too.

I hadn't noticed.

[WSUfan]

I hadn't noticed.
In WSU-SIU games, I also closed my eyes when Paul Miller was not playing. I'm going to look this year.

[WSUbballer]

Shaw seems to have pretty well against the Shuckers the last three years. Of course, the entire Saluki team has too.

I honestly only noticed Shaw's presence last year in the games against WSU. Before that, he was a non-factor.

If I have time later, I'll look up the box scores to prove how inaccurate your statement reads.

[LincolnJay]

Take a look back on here and the ol' Bluejay Cafe in November of last year. Those places were buzzing all over CU's Top 20 predictions.

Then those mighty Cornhuskers dashed all of the fun. :doh:

HAHAHA

Dear Numbnuts Shuk fan: Please note that CU was ranked in the final regular season Top 25 polls and after an OT loss in the NCAA's to a Top 15 team, ended up the last team out of the final polls {in essence, #26}

That 1st round tournament draw draw still pisses me off.

PS / 8-14 to finish the season?!?!?! :fear:

[Cdizzle]

I honestly only noticed Shaw's presence last year in the games against WSU. Before that, he was a non-factor.

If I have time later, I'll look up the box scores to prove how inaccurate your statement reads.

1/1/07 WSU(68) @ SIU(73)
32 Matt Shaw......... f 6-15 1-9 5-6 4 5 9 1 18 4 1 1 3 37

2/3/07 SIU(54) @ WSU(46)

32 Matt Shaw........... f 4-7 2-3 3-4 0 7 7 3 13 1 2 0 1 32

2/4/06 SIU(63) @ WSU(71) (2OT)

32 Shaw, Matt.......... f 0-7 0-4 0-0 1 4 5 2 0 1 1 0 0 40

1/2/06 WSU(49)@ SIU(58)

32 Matt Shaw........... f 4-6 1-1 2-2 0 6 6 2 11 4 1 0 2 31

2/26/05 WSU(55)@ SIU(65)

32 Matt Shaw........... f 0-4 0-0 2-2 0 3 3 3 2 0 1 0 0 13

1/22/05 SIU(56) @ WSU(58)

32 Matt Shaw........... 2-5 0-1 2-3 2 2 4 3 6 0 1 0 0 21

I have no point. Simply for reference.

[dakyne]

My bad, regarding the greatest MVC team in modern history. That would have to go Larry Bird's Sycamore team in '79.

Didn't Cinncinnati win several national championships, and wasn't Lousiville in the MVC also?

[C0|db|00ded]

HAHAHA

Dear Numbnuts Shuk fan: Please note that CU was ranked in the final regular season Top 25 polls and after an OT loss in the NCAA's to a Top 15 team, ended up the last team out of the final polls {in essence, #26}

That 1st round tournament draw draw still pisses me off.

PS / 8-14 to finish the season?!?!?! :fear:

That 1st round tournament draw draw still pisses me off.


It pisses Woo Pig Dana off as well because he hasn't been able to get out of one since humans began walking upright.


T


...:cool:

[WSUbballer]

1/1/07 WSU(68) @ SIU(73)
32 Matt Shaw......... f 6-15 1-9 5-6 4 5 9 1 18 4 1 1 3 37

2/3/07 SIU(54) @ WSU(46)

32 Matt Shaw........... f 4-7 2-3 3-4 0 7 7 3 13 1 2 0 1 32

2/4/06 SIU(63) @ WSU(71) (2OT)

32 Shaw, Matt.......... f 0-7 0-4 0-0 1 4 5 2 0 1 1 0 0 40

1/2/06 WSU(49)@ SIU(58)

32 Matt Shaw........... f 4-6 1-1 2-2 0 6 6 2 11 4 1 0 2 31

2/26/05 WSU(55)@ SIU(65)

32 Matt Shaw........... f 0-4 0-0 2-2 0 3 3 3 2 0 1 0 0 13

1/22/05 SIU(56) @ WSU(58)

32 Matt Shaw........... 2-5 0-1 2-3 2 2 4 3 6 0 1 0 0 21

I have no point. Simply for reference.

Thanks for the stats cdizzle. So in Shaw's first four meetings against WSU, he averaged 4.8 ppg and shot a whopping 6-21 from the field, good for 28%.

Oh ya Dawgybit, he's owned the Shocks. :no:

[WSUbballer]

HAHAHA

Dear Numbnuts Shuk fan: Please note that CU was ranked in the final regular season Top 25 polls and after an OT loss in the NCAA's to a Top 15 team, ended up the last team out of the final polls {in essence, #26}

That 1st round tournament draw draw still pisses me off.

PS / 8-14 to finish the season?!?!?! :fear:

Dear Witty Attorney: A cumulative of two weeks in the Top 25 last year for the Jays was still 4 weeks less than the total of weeks a team finishing the season out 8-14 had. Pretty sad, huh? :yes:

PS / When was the last time the mighty Crayton Bluejays won a single NCAA Tournament game? 2002???!!!!??!???!?!??!??

[LincolnJay]

Dear Witty Attorney: A cumulative of two weeks in the Top 25 last year for the Jays was still 4 weeks less than the total of weeks a team finishing the season out 8-14 had. Pretty sad, huh? :yes:

PS / When was the last time the mighty Crayton Bluejays won a single NCAA Tournament game? 2002???!!!!??!???!?!??!??

HAHA, nice try. Since I like golf, I'll put this in golf terms and reference the British Open.

CU = Ernie Els

WSU = Todd Hamilton

Both won the Open within the last 5 or so years, Hamilton more recently - both about the same age. How's the rest of their career been?

[WSUbballer]

HAHA, nice try. Since I like golf, I'll put this in golf terms and reference the British Open.

CU = Ernie Els

WSU = Todd Hamilton

Both won the Open within the last 5 or so years, Hamilton more recently - both about the same age. How's the rest of their career been?

LOL.

So you're using another sport to your liking to compare something of another sport. Why don't you just use college basketball to compare college basketball? Because it doesn't make your analogy look as sexy?

Ernie Els, while a great golfer, has really struggled at major events. So in that regard, I think you picked the right choice to represent Creighton. :original:

[outpost]

Dear Numbnuts Shuk fan:

At least "Shuk" fans have 'em, LJ.

That statement has envy written all over it.

[LincolnJay]

LOL.

So you're using another sport to your liking to compare something of another sport. Why don't you just use college basketball to compare college basketball? Because it doesn't make your analogy look as sexy?

Ernie Els, while a great golfer, has really struggled at major events. So in that regard, I think you picked the right choice to represent Creighton. :original:

Yes, I chose Ernie Els carefully because although we have been very good, there is something more to achieve.

I also chose Todd Hamilton carefully because he, like WSU, has one nail on which to hang his hat. :yes:

Bottom line, ask any non-MVC college basketball fan out there what they think of when they think of the MVC and most will say SIU and Creighton...SIU and Creighton... SIU and Creighton...SIU and Creighton...

Ask any WSU fan and through their myopia, they say WSU and our upside down cigarette butt mascot and vulgar hand signs.

:valley::braves::jays::bulldogs::aces::redbirds: :sycamores: :bears::panthers::salukis::valley:

[WSUbballer]

Yes, I chose Ernie Els carefully because although we have been very good, there is something more to achieve.

I also chose Todd Hamilton carefully because he, like WSU, has one nail on which to hang his hat. :yes:

Bottom line, ask any non-MVC college basketball fan out there what they think of when they think of the MVC and most will say SIU and Creighton...SIU and Creighton... SIU and Creighton...SIU and Creighton...

Ask any WSU fan and through their myopia, they say WSU and our upside down cigarette butt mascot and vulgar hand signs.

:valley::braves::jays::bulldogs::aces::redbirds: :sycamores: :bears: :panthers::salukis::valley:

In a way, your analogy is somewhat wrong. You see, in WSU's one trip in 20 years, they accomplished more tourney wins than CU has in its last 7 trips. WSU has also advanced to a place no Bluejay has ever seen - the Sweet Sixteen.

So, in a way, what little WSU has done has surpassed a lot of meaningless things by CU.

So with the help of Outpost:
Todd Hamilton's nuts > Ernie Els' nuts

:braves::bulldogs::aces::redbirds::sycamores:
:bears::panthers::salukis::shockers::valley:

[iSASO]

My bad, regarding the greatest MVC team in modern history. That would have to go Larry Bird's Sycamore team in '79.

Didn't Cinncinnati win several national championships, and wasn't Lousiville in the MVC also?

That was my point exactly at the time. The 17-1 conference record wouldn't even get that team in the Top 15 all-time.

Cincy alone won back-to-back national titles and played in 5 straight Final Fours.

[LincolnJay]

In a way, your analogy is somewhat wrong. You see, in WSU's one trip in 20 years, they accomplished more tourney wins than CU has in its last 7 trips. WSU has also advanced to a place no Bluejay has ever seen - the Sweet Sixteen.

So, in a way, what little WSU has done has surpassed a lot of meaningless things by CU.

So with the help of Outpost:
Todd Hamilton's nuts > Ernie Els' nuts

:braves::bulldogs::aces::redbirds::sycamores:
:bears::panthers::salukis::shockers::valley:

Wow Todd, you've lost your touch over the summer - really weak comebacks.

PS - check the 74 NCAA tourney for CU's last sweet 16. Check last year for 8-14 for Todd and the One Hit Wonders.

[Divergence]

Check last year for 8-14 for Todd and the One Hit Wonders.

Last time I have check, Todd and the One Hit wonders have finished higher than Ernie 3 out of the last 4 years. Pig Sooie! :shocked:

[outpost]

LJ must be having a difficult time with his laptop out there on the street.....since that REAL LAWYER fella evicted him earlier this summer.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Last time I have check, Todd and the One Hit wonders have finished higher than Ernie 3 out of the last 4 years. Pig Sooie! :shocked:

I can't even remember the last time Creighton didn't play in postseason. How about WSU?

[LincolnJay]

Last time I have check, Todd and the One Hit wonders have finished higher than Ernie 3 out of the last 4 years. Pig Sooie! :shocked:

What is it with Shux fans and facts - you never seem to let them get in the way of your windbagging:

06-07
CU 13-5 WSU 8-10

05-06
CU 12-6 WSU 14-4

04-05
CU 11-7 WSU 12-6

03-04
CU 12-6 WSU 12-6

I'm also always amused by the choice of a time period that fits your needs. Of course, if the last 5 years had been chosen, then Shux would have had to look at:

02-03
CU 15-3 WSU 12-6


:horse:
:shockers:

[Divergence]

I'm also always amused by the choice of a time period that fits your needs. Of course, if the last 5 years had been chosen, then Shux would have had to look at:


My Valley Brethrens have made it loud and clear that anything beyond 4 years is ancient history and can't be talked about on VT.

2nd, that WSU has been involved in some type of post-season play 4 out of the last 5 years and have made a sweet 16. That's not to bad for a team that was in the "Abyss".

But I can feel your pain, CU has probably did less with the more opportunities its had.

[WSUbballer]

Wow Todd, you've lost your touch over the summer - really weak comebacks.

PS - check the 74 NCAA tourney for CU's last sweet 16. Check last year for 8-14 for Todd and the One Hit Wonders.

Was that wayy back when you only had to win one game to make it to the sweet 16? Ya, it helps when there's only 25 teams playing in good ol' 1974.

I guess just "being there" is a staple for Creighton basketball in the NCAA's. Since your colossal sweet 16 run back in 74, CU has gone 3-12 in NCAA play.

Pretty sparkling if you ask me. :ermm:

Reminds me a lot about the Buffalo Bills. :shutup:

http://web.wireimage.com/images/Thumbnail/11464254.jpg

[WSUbballer]

I can't even remember the last time Creighton didn't play in postseason. How about WSU?

CU didn't play last in 1997. I know, ancient history right?

Interestingly enough, CU's had the same number of NCAA wins as WSU has had in the last 2 years.

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/teams/thumbs/149.gif

[Cdizzle]

So, is Dana Altman the college basketball equivalent of Marty Schottenheimer?

[LincolnJay]

One thing I know, Mark Turdgeon is a modern day Houdini. He parlayed one NCAA appearance and a below .500 conference record in his final MVC season into a BCS gig!! Now that's magical!!!! :lol:

[jaypharmalum]

My first post in this thread, now that it has deteriorated into WSU-CU vitriol (don't they all seem to?).

Fact:
CU has been to more NCAA tournaments in the past decade

Fact:
WSU made a sweet sixteen run that CU has not replicated

Fact:
WSU was in the Top 10 last year.. CU was in the Top 25 at the beginning and the end of last year, with a previous Top 10 ranking during Korver's senior season

If we are going to compare teams, can we simply look at the head to head matchup? Altman owned Turgeon. Maybe Marshall will fare better, but you cannot dispute that fact.

[Cdizzle]

If we are going to compare teams, can we simply look at the head to head matchup? Altman owned Turgeon. Maybe Marshall will fare better, but you cannot dispute that fact.

Too bad Altman couldn't get a first round Tournament match-up with him huh? Maybe this year. I know who I'd be rooting for.
:shockers::valley:

[dakyne]

jaypharma,

Can't argue with your last post...I don't feel the need to enter into a pissing contest with WSU fans because they've been pissed on enough.

As for challenging the superiority of WSU/CU, I find it hard to believe that WSU fans are denigrating CU's performance in the NCAA's, because during every single one of those years (save one), at least CU was IN the NCAA's, while WSU was sitting at home, or finding a way to lose an NIT game. By knocking down CU, you knock down your own program even further.

[WSUbballer]

jaypharma,

Can't argue with your last post...I don't feel the need to enter into a pissing contest with WSU fans because they've been pissed on enough.

As for challenging the superiority of WSU/CU, I find it hard to believe that WSU fans are denigrating CU's performance in the NCAA's, because during every single one of those years (save one), at least CU was IN the NCAA's, while WSU was sitting at home, or finding a way to lose an NIT game. By knocking down CU, you knock down your own program even further.

You say it's stupid to get involved but yet you still can't help yourself..

Nice philosophy

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:5kvqZP0WPxvNIM:http://www.dog-breeds.net/SaldfukiHeassd.JPG

[dakyne]

wsuballer,

Apparently you can't differentiate between a "pissing contest" and "getting involved". I brought up a few factual references about NCAA appearances, and made an observation out of curiosity about how a fan base would be quick to denigrate another program when their own program has underperformed relative to the other.

Believe me, there is no pissing contest because WSU fans are bringing a toy gun to a gunfight when it comes to SIU. By the most recent count, regarding NCAA performance, it's SIU 5, WSU 1. And to be honest, WSU hasn't done well vs. Creighton either...and BTW, I'm not a CU homer.

[Dawgbit]

1/1/07 WSU(68) @ SIU(73)
32 Matt Shaw......... f 6-15 1-9 5-6 4 5 9 1 18 4 1 1 3 37

2/3/07 SIU(54) @ WSU(46)

32 Matt Shaw........... f 4-7 2-3 3-4 0 7 7 3 13 1 2 0 1 32

2/4/06 SIU(63) @ WSU(71) (2OT)

32 Shaw, Matt.......... f 0-7 0-4 0-0 1 4 5 2 0 1 1 0 0 40

1/2/06 WSU(49)@ SIU(58)

32 Matt Shaw........... f 4-6 1-1 2-2 0 6 6 2 11 4 1 0 2 31

2/26/05 WSU(55)@ SIU(65)

32 Matt Shaw........... f 0-4 0-0 2-2 0 3 3 3 2 0 1 0 0 13

1/22/05 SIU(56) @ WSU(58)

32 Matt Shaw........... 2-5 0-1 2-3 2 2 4 3 6 0 1 0 0 21

I have no point. Simply for reference.

So SIU won 5 of 6 of those games, eh?

[Cdizzle]

So SIU won 5 of 6 of those games, eh?

It would appear so. :shockers::valley:

[Dawgbit]

It would appear so. :shockers::valley:


Interesting. I think I may see a pattern developing here.

Team that Matt Shaw plays on- 5

Shuckers - 1

Let me read the tea leaves, there must be something to this.....hmmmm.

[WSUbballer]

So SIU won 5 of 6 of those games, eh?

In case you forgot, the only reason those box scores were posted was because you said Matt Shaw has "done pretty well" against WSU.

So, making a new point in your response basically equates to you giving up and losing your previous point.

Congrats.

[WSUbballer]

So SIU won 5 of 6 of those games, eh?

4 of 6, math genius.

[WSUbballer]

Interesting. I think I may see a pattern developing here.

Team that Matt Shaw plays on- 5

Shuckers - 1

Let me read the tea leaves, there must be something to this.....hmmmm.

Read above post, Descartes.

[Divergence]

Hey everybody be quiet. Did anybody hear that.....?

Listen.......

Do you hear it???

It's the Abyss, and it's calling SIU.

[creightonfever]

Hey everybody be quiet. Did anybody hear that.....?

Listen.......

Do you hear it???

It's the Abyss, and it's calling SIU.


:no: :chair:They will never go away.

[outpost]

Interesting. I think I may see a pattern developing here.

Team that Matt Shaw plays on- 5

Shuckers - 1

Let me read the tea leaves, there must be something to this.....hmmmm.

Those obviously weren't tea leaves you were snorting....er "reading", Dawgbit. Whatever kind of leaves they were..they have impaired your ability to count in the single digits.

[Dawgbit]

Those obviously weren't tea leaves you were snorting....er "reading", Dawgbit. Whatever kind of leaves they were..they have impaired your ability to count in the single digits.

I have already pleaded guilty to PWD, the Heineken made me do it!!

On the other hand, I foresee Shaw/Falker owning the hapless Shuckers this year!:bash:

[Cdizzle]

I have already pleaded guilty to PWD, the Heineken made me do it!!

On the other hand, I foresee Shaw/Falker owning the hapless Shuckers this year!:bash:

Your emoticon is a more accurate description of what they will be doing.