Turgeon tries to steal SIU verbal

[Dawgbit]

Claimed "I did not know he had verballed to you guys", pretty lame.:no:


Turgeon is a great coach.:bash:

[kyyle23]

Which recruit?

[saluki_in_ohio]

From what source did you hear this?

[Dawgbit]

Which recruit?

http://www.chicagosports.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=50638

[DoubleJayAlum]

Well, since Turgeon was willing to steal a commit from WSU, this news doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Dawg_tired]

It's a good think the recruit wasn't Dana Altman. Turd would have gotten him.

[blueblood]

He must have changed since he left WSU. He would have never done something like this while at WSU.

[Aargh]

He must have changed since he left WSU. He would have never done something like this while at WSU.

Turgeon had to leave his "Greatest Coach Of All Time" crown in Wichita when he left. It was in his contract. Everyone knows the greatest coach of all time would never leave WSU. Turgeon's leaving proved he wasn't worthy of the title.

Turgeon is a KU guy and a KU guy will do stuff like recruiting someone else's committed players.

These early-fall practices are great. I'm getting my "VT poster" legs under me pretty quickly.

[JVShocker]

You're a bigger fan of Turgeon than I am, then, and I have season tickets to Shocker games.

A few people who proclaim Turgeon as "king" on VT during a good run accounts for approximately nothing in the world of Shocker basketball. For every person that you can point out on VT who loved Turgeon-seated him on the throne next to god-shaw, and what he gave WSU, I can point to twice as many people who hated his deliberate coaching style, frequent substitution patterns (especially when a player was "hot" or even made the tiniest of mistakes), or his constant scowl on the bench.

He wasn't a "players" coach - this discerned from remarks that have been made about new coach Marshall (in reference to players not having a lot of direct access to Turgeon while he was coach.) Oh, I'm thankful for what Turgeon accomplished at WSU, no doubt, but in the end I like Marshall's style and demeanor (even the tone of his voice) more than Turgeon and I've yet to see Marshall coach a game for WSU.

[outpost]

He must have changed since he left WSU. He would have never done something like this while at WSU.

He wouldn't because he couldn't.

BTW - I was a big Turgeon fan while he was at WSU. I would have been one of the first in line to shake his hand and tell him "thanks" when he left.

Notwithstanding the team's collapse in his final season (no other way to spin it), he did a fine job. I still believe that WSU fans owe him a debt of gratitude for turning around the program and making it enjoyable to watch.

But that is all.

Would this be a similar feeling amongst Creighton fans if Dana had followed through on the Arkansas job? Obviously there was a lot of angst displayed before he changed his mind.

[DawgFan]

Good post JV

[DoubleJayAlum]

I'm still waiting for gosmsgo to weigh in on this thread....

[Chairman of the Boards]

Oh Lord, did you have to mention that screwball again? :doh:
j/k

P.S. Cold and Go keep this board alive. :clap:

[Dawgbit]

From what source did you hear this?

A very, very good source.

[tennis08tarheels]

A very, very good source.

That's...nice?

[WSUbballer]

A very, very good source.

The little voice in your head does not qualify as a good source.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Good post JV


Why is it a good post?

Let me guess. His message matches your sentiments.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Claimed "I did not know he had verballed to you guys", pretty lame.:no:


Turgeon is a great coach.:bash:

How do you know, what Coach Turgeon knows?

Without supporting facts, your post is pretty lame.

[barkeep1967]

How do you know, what Coach Turgeon knows?

Without supporting facts, your post is pretty lame.



How the F*** would he not know a kid had given a verbal ?

He turned into a bust of a coach who made all you WSU super homers look like fools for screaming about his Loyalty to WSU. He will be a bust at A&M and I can't believe even a blinded WSU loyalist would still support him.

[salukibob]

How the F*** would he not know a kid had given a verbal ?

He turned into a bust of a coach who made all you WSU super homers look like fools for screaming about his Loyalty to WSU. He will be a bust at A&M and I can't believe even a blinded WSU loyalist would still support him.


They do because he IS The Turgeonator!!

[Aargh]

Now that Turgeon is no longer in Wichita his late-season swoons in 2005 and 2007 will not be forgotten.

Losing only Paul Miller from a S16 team and taking the next team to a bottom half of the Valley finish is starting to look like Miller had more to do with the S16 run than Turgeon.

Turgeon is still the #3 coach in the history of WSU basketball.

Turgeon made some "at this level" comments when he left WSU which could be interpreted as Turgeon thought he had done all he could do "at this level". If that's the attitude he had, then I'm glad he's gone before he became a Barry Hinson clone.

[tennis08tarheels]

How the F*** would he not know a kid had given a verbal ?

He turned into a bust of a coach who made all you WSU super homers look like fools for screaming about his Loyalty to WSU. He will be a bust at A&M and I can't believe even a blinded WSU loyalist would still support him.

I'm hardly a blinded WSU loyalist pig, and I would say that I "support" him. He's a good coach. Not the second coming of Randal Jesus-Shaw, mind you, but he's a solid upper-level basketball coach.

[Divergence]

I can't believe even a blinded WSU loyalist would still support him.

WSU fans will owe Turgeon a debt of graditiude. His leaving WSU is the sole reason that WSU was able to get they SIU-C Abyss Maker - Gregg Marshall :clap:

[The Mad Hatter]

How the F*** would he not know a kid had given a verbal ?

He turned into a bust of a coach who made all you WSU super homers look like fools for screaming about his Loyalty to WSU. He will be a bust at A&M and I can't believe even a blinded WSU loyalist would still support him.

The fact that Ricky is also an A&M fan probably has a little something to do with his opinion of MT in his post WSU career.

[MSNSaluki]

WSU fans will owe Turgeon a debt of graditiude. His leaving WSU is the sole reason that WSU was able to get they SIU-C Abyss Maker - Gregg Marshall :clap:

The SIU-C Abyss Maker ... good one.:lol:

[Fraydog]

Divergence said it, so it must be true. SIU-C is going to the abyss.

:lol::clap:

I mean, if he says it, we can take it to the bank... right? :ermm:

*crickets in background*

[Dawgbit]

How do you know, what Coach Turgeon knows?

Without supporting facts, your post is pretty lame.

The fact is that it happened, and I know it to be a fact, I am simply not going to reveal the source of the information.

[dakyne]

WSU fans p'owned again.:doh:

BTW, we need you guys in the MVC. Someone's gotta be the target of all our ire. You gotta admit, you're easy targets. Hell, even some of your fellow fans admit it.

[dakyne]

So RDR, who's lame now?:fear:

You don't happen to be Irish, are ya? As in wrong-way Corrigan...

[dakyne]

fray,

Divergence said it, so it must be true. SIU-C is going to the abyss.



I mean, if he says it, we can take it to the bank... right?

Divergence--as in divergence from reality...:grin:

[dakyne]

RDR,

BTW, you'll get your wish--I'll be abandoning VT once the season starts again. We can have our annual tea in March. Toodles...

[salukibob]

Divergence said it, so it must be true. SIU-C is going to the abyss.

:lol::clap:

I mean, if he says it, we can take it to the bank... right? :ermm:

*crickets in background*

Did ISASO change his screenname? :innocent:

[outpost]

RDR,

BTW, you'll get your wish--I'll be abandoning VT once the season starts again. We can have our annual tea in March. Toodles...

Would you want to stand in front of a urinal next to this dude.......??

[Ricky Del Rio]

How the F*** would he not know a kid had given a verbal ?

He turned into a bust of a coach who made all you WSU super homers look like fools for screaming about his Loyalty to WSU. He will be a bust at A&M and I can't believe even a blinded WSU loyalist would still support him.

Standard Doggie diatribe. Very standard and typical of those Doggies, who are poorly educated.

If you don't have the facts, attack and change the argument. You must be a liberal.

[Shox21]

The fact is that it happened, and I know it to be a fact, I am simply not going to reveal the source of the information.

This does not come from me as a Shocker fan --this comes from me as a Valley fan. I don't post on this board often because that is what I choose to do. A lot of what is posted here, particularly in the offseason is rumor, conjecture, or worse. I have no comment on most of it and take what is posted with a grain of salt. But there are just some posters that love to rub salt into any wound they can find. Your "information" may be completely accurate, but if you are unwilling to "reveal the source of [that] information", then don't post it. And I am dead "dawg" sure you would not have posted anything of the like if it involved a coach or team you liked (and I'm pretty sure that is a very small list).

[DawgieStyle]

Standard Doggie diatribe. Very standard and typical of those Doggies, who are poorly educated.

If you don't have the facts, attack and change the argument. You must be a liberal.

as opposed to what? a bush supporter? how's that working out for you. Talk about educated.

[RoyalShock]

Where is the evidence Turgeon knew the kid had verballed? I haven't seen any yet. Only a quote from an unnamed source where he says he didn't know.

Somehow I doubt he or his coaching staff spend much time on Rivals, Scout or SalukiTalk.

From what I've gathered, this type of thing appears to happen ALL the time. We only rarely hear about it because it's probably just not a very big deal.

[DawgieStyle]

Where is the evidence Turgeon knew the kid had verballed? I haven't seen any yet. Only a quote from an unnamed source where he says he didn't know.

Somehow I doubt he or his coaching staff spend much time on Rivals, Scout or SalukiTalk.

From what I've gathered, this type of thing appears to happen ALL the time. We only rarely hear about it because it's probably just not a very big deal.

Being an SIU fan, I hate to agree...but I need some hard proof as well.

[Dawg_tired]

Yeah, I need proof too. I'm sure Turdgeon never cheated at WSU.:lol:

[WSUbballer]

You gotta admit, you're easy targets.

Or maybe SIU fans are just easy bait-takers..

[DawgFan]

Not a Shocker season ticket holder, but I did agree with a lot of what JVShocker posted, Ricky. At least from a distance, Marshall's prelim is more pleasing. Gotta watch how many JUCO's you throw into a mix over the long haul, but there were many holes in the Turgeon roster.

[DawgieStyle]

Or maybe SIU fans are just easy bait-takers..

There are no bait takers, no "targets", no nothing. This is a message board..this is what is supposed to happen...and why we are all here.

[JVShocker]

Turgeon made some "at this level" comments when he left WSU which could be interpreted as Turgeon thought he had done all he could do "at this level". If that's the attitude he had, then I'm glad he's gone before he became a Barry Hinson clone.


That says quite a bit, actually, and it rubbed a lot of supporters the wrong way. I think the Sweet 16 run we made was exceptional, but took a fair amount of luck - but what run doesn't?

Turgeon employed a system and he recruited players to fit the system. Kids who were gifted athletically yet unable to fit the system didn't get a lot of run. Thankfully Marshall is looking at prospects that are as talented and excited to be Shockers as they are athletic, which excites a number of Shocker fans (you can visit the Shockernet recruiting threads for names). From statements Marshall has made we're going to run, press a little, and get after people.

I think you could start an entirely new thread on Turgeon's thinkings that have created controversy with Shocker supporters. I don't know if that is the KU-thing coming out of him (as many have said), but it has always been a sore spot.

My least favorite saying that I hope never to hear again "they went small, and we had to match them." I think you'll see an entirely different style of play from the Shockers this year.:shockers::valley:

[doinit salukistyle]

Woah woah woah WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT

up until the sweet 16 run by WSU, I stood by the position that Turgeon wasn't that great because his teams fizzled down the final turn. Almost every WSU fan attacked me. Now that he's not around anymore, they are quick to find his faults, he's not a great coach anymore

HOOOOOOOOMMMMMER! HOOOOOOMMMMMER! HOOOOOOOMMMMMER!

[RoyalShock]

No, you're just hearing from a different set of Shocker fans as well as a few who have allowed hindsight and reflection to alter their opinion. People do that.

[DawgFan]

I think doinit has a point. Probably not as great a humanitarian as he was portrayed by the usual cast of characters and probably not as sinister as some say he is now.

Not a very good x's and o's in game coach.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

:shockers::shockers::shockers::shockers::shockers: :shockers::shockers::shockers::shockers::shockers: :shockers::shockers::shockers::shockers::shockers: :shockers::shockers::shockers::shockers::shockers: :shockers::shockers::shockers:

[WSUfan]

Not a very good x's and o's in game coach.
Gee, I wish we (Shocker fans) had noticed that. We never noticed Dana outcoach Mark. :banghead:

[dakyne]

How quickly they fall off the bus...

Re Turgeon--I'm not going to judge his integrity--perhaps he really was ignorant of one of SIU's recruits and his verbal status. But that doesn't really say much about his awareness. After all, it's only been at least half a year since the verbal....:no:

So which one is it? Is he incompetent or is he dumb? I'd say neither, but he certainly isn't current.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Being an SIU fan, I hate to agree...but I need some hard proof as well.


Careful!

You just dipped your toe into the pool of rational thought.

[Ricky Del Rio]

How quickly they fall off the bus...

Re Turgeon--I'm not going to judge his integrity--perhaps he really was ignorant of one of SIU's recruits and his verbal status. But that doesn't really say much about his awareness. After all, it's only been at least half a year since the verbal....:no:

So which one is it? Is he incompetent or is he dumb? I'd say neither, but he certainly isn't current.


The old false either/or argument. You must be a liberal.

[dakyne]

No, actually, I'm not a liberal. Fiscally, I'm about as far right as Attila the Hun.

Again, you prove your idiocy. BTW, how's your sportsbook account? Are you in the black yet? Based on WSU's most recent stellar run, I would guess not.

[Ricky Del Rio]

No, actually, I'm not a liberal. Fiscally, I'm about as far right as Attila the Hun.

Again, you prove your idiocy. BTW, how's your sportsbook account? Are you in the black yet? Based on WSU's most recent stellar run, I would guess not.

Instead of explaining yourself on the either/or argument, you attacked me. Standard liberal tactics.

You must be a liberal.

[dakyne]

Actually, it is an either/or argument.

SIU wins championships. WSU doesn't--yet some of their fans brag about how they are the greatest program in the MVC. Is that clear enough for you?

And despite your protestations, you are an idiot. You managed to bring someone's political ideaology (which was wrong, btw) to a sports topic.

So yeah, you're kinda stoopid...I don't see any WSU posters rushing to your defense. If anything, most level-headed WSU posters have to end up apologizing for their own.

[WSUbballer]

SIU wins championships. WSU doesn't

2006?

Ancient history, right?

[Divergence]

Did ISASO change his screenname? :innocent:

No, but you should have seen the computer that ISASO's friends gave me at work.

[Divergence]

2006?

Ancient history, right?

dakyne owned again. :naughty:

Now we see why he will be leaving soon. :yes:

[iSASO]

Actually, it is an either/or argument.

SIU wins championships. WSU doesn't--yet some of their fans brag about how they are the greatest program in the MVC.

What's really ironic about this is that after their 17-1 record in the MVC, SIU fans proclaimed they were the "best team in MVC history".

Needless to say, they ate those words 20x over when I listed about 20 teams in the history of the MVC who were obviously much better than SIU was that year and probably will ever be.

[dakyne]

1 NCAA in 20 years, and you guys are going to trash talk? And you wonder why other fans bash you. FYI, I very well remembered WSU's one great year. The problem is that most of you are living in the 80's still. It's friggin' 2007.

ISASO,

To my defense and perhaps a few other Saluki fans, I never proclaimed Painter's 17-1 season as one of the greatest MVC teams ever. In fact, I specifically addressed that comment from another SIU fan and refuted it. The Valley just wasn't very good that year, and Painter got the maximum results out of a marginally talented team (remember Josh Warren and Sly were the frontcourt starters--I'm not even sure they would get scholarship offers today).

You stack up WSU's verbage and 1 NCAA run vs. 6 NCAA runs and think I was p'owned? Haha..you guys keep looking more desperate with every ridiculous post.

Earth to WSU fans: many of you predicted a top-10 year nationwide. Instead you couldn't even finish in the top half of your own conference. Which means you were probably approximately the 200th best team in the country--a far cry from the top 10. What about that can't you understand?

[iSASO]

I suspect we fail to understand the comment that "WSU doesn't win championships" -- yet they did in 2006.

I also think we fail to buy into other blanket statements that are obviously wrong.

Silly Shocker fans.

[outpost]

Actually, it is an either/or argument.

Dak, you just proved RDR's point......yep, definitely a liberal.

....1 NCAA run vs. 6 NCAA runs.............

I think the proper term here is appearances, not runs. WSU made the most of its appearance and turned it into a run. SIU did not make 6 NCAA "runs" as you suggest, but maybe 1....and no I don't call winning a first round game a "run."

While I would admittedly trade a S16 run for 6 NCAA appearances (including one S16 run), I think you exaggerated a bit by using "run" in the way you did.

Can the season start soon enough????

[Dawgbit]

Dak, you just proved RDR's point......yep, definitely a liberal.



I think the proper term here is appearances, not runs. WSU made the most of its appearance and turned it into a run. SIU did not make 6 NCAA "runs" as you suggest, but maybe 1....and no I don't call winning a first round game a "run."

While I would admittedly trade a S16 run for 6 NCAA appearances (including one S16 run), I think you exaggerated a bit by using "run" in the way you did.

Can the season start soon enough????

I "think" SIU has made not one, but two S16 apprearances in last six years.:yes:

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

I "think" SIU has made not one, but two S16 apprearances in last six years.:yes:

ok so 2 runs

[Canevision]

How is this a big deal? Until a player signs, he's not really committed.

Happens all the time in recruiting.

[MSNSaluki]

ok so 2 runs


I had two runs yesterday but I think it was due to spicy chicken wings.:innocent:

[WSUbballer]

Dakyne

Are you and the geek word "p'owned" having an affair or something?

[dakyne]

isaso,

WSU doesn't win championships

If you want to get technical, in the last 6 years, WSU has not won championships. The "s" at the end of the word implies plurality.

[Chairman of the Boards]

I had two runs yesterday but I think it was due to spicy chicken wings.:innocent:

I now have the runs just from reading this thread... jeez people, please give it a rest or at least take it to the smack thread so the rest of us don't have to suffer. :cursing:

[dakyne]

awesome sauce,

ok so 2 runs

I guess details are unimportant. Let me categorize it so even your weak sauce can comprehend:

The last 6 years:

NCAA appearances: WSU 1 SIU 6
NCAA "runs": WSU 1 SIU 3 (2 Sweet16's, 1 Final 32)
NCAA Sweet16's: WSU 1 SIU 2

Now tell me, which would you rather have?

Also, a yes/no question: When the "abyss" question was issued a couple years ago, does SIU's performance even remotely look like an abyss?

A little suggestion to "some" WSU fans (quotation marks for emphasis): don't let facts get in the way of your ramblings. :doh:

Hey outpost, glad you got less than 50% of your "facts" right.

[outpost]

Hey outpost, glad you got less than 50% of your "facts" right.

I have already admitted that I would trade places with you Dak......what more do you want?

But a first round win does not - IMHO - constitute a tourney "run". I will give you your two S16 runs. But nothing more.

I also stated my implicit admiration of SIU for its run of NCAa appearances, with a couple of runs in there. Not three, not one, but two. Good for you.......good for them.

I will not split hairs with you any more over the issue. Nor will I feel sorry for you if our previous coach convinces your prized recruit to de-commit. Because SIU will be fine with or without him.

Have a wonderful evening out here fighting your little fires.

[dakyne]

outpost,

I'll tell you want I want, and I speak for most MVC fans here: why don't some of you WSU fans pull your head out of your collective asses and admit WSU is not the class of the MVC, and acknowledge other programs that win on a consistent basis, instead of bashing programs which you would gladly trade places with?

You look like idiots in doing so. You would receive a bit more sympathy if you weren't so desperate to validate your misguided ideas. Every program goes thru tough periods, but fans usually show some humility, hoping they will come back. Aside from one year in 20, WSU has had nothing to brag about, yet you choose to do so, meanwhile denigrating other programs that dominated you, or even just played WSU even.

I have a feeling there are fans from 9 other schools who would agree with me on this issue, and several fans from WSU have also concurred. No one is laying down the red carpet for you guys, and as long as you keeping laying it down, we're gonna piss on it.

BTW, outpost, you aren't the worst offender, so this isn't directed at you. It's probably just a fringe minority who have lost grasp of reality.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

awesome sauce,



I guess details are unimportant. Let me categorize it so even your weak sauce can comprehend:

The last 6 years:

NCAA appearances: WSU 1 SIU 6
NCAA "runs": WSU 1 SIU 3 (2 Sweet16's, 1 Final 32)
NCAA Sweet16's: WSU 1 SIU 2

Now tell me, which would you rather have?

Also, a yes/no question: When the "abyss" question was issued a couple years ago, does SIU's performance even remotely look like an abyss?

A little suggestion to "some" WSU fans (quotation marks for emphasis): don't let facts get in the way of your ramblings. :doh:

Hey outpost, glad you got less than 50% of your "facts" right.


Weak sauce? Those types of remarks im sure make your grandmother proud.

Either way it doesnt matter. While Dawgbit pointed out a inconsitancy in OP's post i merely pointed out either 2 or 1 Outpost is correct.

How can a "fan" of a dominant program within the conference keep playing the woe is me card. Your posts scream of acknowledge me.

And to end our little discussion, im sure you will come back with some sort of snotty remark about how us Wichita fans are pwn3d or trailer trash or something clever of that sort. But really I dont care. You're mad. We can see it. Its ok. I have better things to attend to.

[WSUbballer]

outpost,

I'll tell you want I want, and I speak for most MVC fans here: why don't some of you WSU fans pull your head out of your collective asses and admit WSU is not the class of the MVC, and acknowledge other programs that win on a consistent basis, instead of bashing programs which you would gladly trade places with?

You look like idiots in doing so. You would receive a bit more sympathy if you weren't so desperate to validate your misguided ideas. Every program goes thru tough periods, but fans usually show some humility, hoping they will come back. Aside from one year in 20, WSU has had nothing to brag about, yet you choose to do so, meanwhile denigrating other programs that dominated you, or even just played WSU even.

I have a feeling there are fans from 9 other schools who would agree with me on this issue, and several fans from WSU have also concurred. No one is laying down the red carpet for you guys, and as long as you keeping laying it down, we're gonna piss on it.

BTW, outpost, you aren't the worst offender, so this isn't directed at you. It's probably just a fringe minority who have lost grasp of reality.

So far, only one person has claimed WSU to be the "class of the valley".. not "some".

Why do you feel the need to speak for most of the fans on here? Let them speak for themselves.

And in judging now by the lengthy, redundant responses, I think you have now lost it..

[dakyne]

awesome sauce,

Ask yourself, why should an SIU fan be mad? We've danced for 6 straight seasons. WSU has been to one since Reagan has been in office. LOL!

We're happy as can be, plus we have great recruits coming in. Sure, the party will end at some point, but we're enjoying the moment, and we realize over time, the power shift can and will shift. But we aren't declaring we'll remain dominant 'til eternity, and we aren't predicting anybody else's demise.

bballer,

So far, only one person has claimed WSU to be the "class of the valley".. not "some".

Good point, but the verbage spewing out of other fans suggest the almighty coldblooded has evangelical followers. It's actually refreshing how much effect the Kool-Aid has on some WSU fans. I'll miss ya guys once the season starts.:naughty:

[Omahaboundshock]

Claimed "I did not know he had verballed to you guys", pretty lame.:no:


Turgeon is a great coach.:bash:

This doesn't surprise me. After he took a WSU recruit with him to a&m, nothing surprises me. Turgeon learned from Roy Williams, apparently he learned well.

[Ricky Del Rio]

outpost,

I'll tell you want I want, and I speak for most MVC fans here: why don't some of you WSU fans pull your head out of your collective asses and admit WSU is not the class of the MVC, and acknowledge other programs that win on a consistent basis, instead of bashing programs which you would gladly trade places with?

You look like idiots in doing so. You would receive a bit more sympathy if you weren't so desperate to validate your misguided ideas. Every program goes thru tough periods, but fans usually show some humility, hoping they will come back. Aside from one year in 20, WSU has had nothing to brag about, yet you choose to do so, meanwhile denigrating other programs that dominated you, or even just played WSU even.

I have a feeling there are fans from 9 other schools who would agree with me on this issue, and several fans from WSU have also concurred. No one is laying down the red carpet for you guys, and as long as you keeping laying it down, we're gonna piss on it.

BTW, outpost, you aren't the worst offender, so this isn't directed at you. It's probably just a fringe minority who have lost grasp of reality.

I am surprised most MVC fans have authorized you to speak for them. Do you have any facts to support this claim?

Idiots? Name calling again? I thought you were not a liberal. Your behavior suggests otherwise.

Am I in the fringe minority, who has lost a grasp on reality? If so, do you have any facts to support this claim?

Speak with facts and you will be heard. Speak with hot rhetoric and you will be ignored.

[Carrcar]

This doesn't surprise me. After he took a WSU recruit with him to a&m, nothing surprises me. Turgeon learned from Roy Williams, apparently he learned well.
MT did what he was hired to do. He took WSU as far as he could and bailed out mid-season to start recruiting for A&M. Wonder if he used WSU's plane for A&M recruits.

[Ricky Del Rio]

MT did what he was hired to do. He took WSU as far as he could and bailed out mid-season to start recruiting for A&M. Wonder if he used WSU's plane for A&M recruits.


Please state some facts to support your claims.

[Carrcar]

Please state some facts to support your claims.
Should have been a question mark. As far as the bailing out: Did you see the same intensity in MT once he got into the MVC season? To me he seemed to look distracted, like he was consigned to resign. You may be better off without him.

[DawgieStyle]

and you guys thought I was bad....

from one SIU poster to another, DAK, shut up.

[outpost]

Yep, Dak is a liberal hippocrite. You see, it's NOT okay for a few fringe WSU posters to denigrate another school that it hasn't competed or matched up with in basketball.

At the same time, it IS okay for him to maliciously trash the non-existent football program of WSU.

http://www.valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=5382

Dak, that is something that I am sensitive to. And I am not in the fringe minority on this topic. Let me throw out a few facts for you to suck on. On Tuesday, Ocotber 2, 2007 WSU observed the 37th anniversary of the deadly plane crash that killed several players, coaches and boosters and sent the program into a slow death spiral from which it never recovered - financially, emotionally, or otherwise.

Now if you want to meet in a dark alley to further discuss football with me, I'll be waiting. Otherwise, take DawgieStyle's advice and S-T-F-U.

[WSUbballer]

awesome sauce,

Ask yourself, why should an SIU fan be mad? We've danced for 6 straight seasons. WSU has been to one since Reagan has been in office. LOL!

We're happy as can be, plus we have great recruits coming in. Sure, the party will end at some point, but we're enjoying the moment, and we realize over time, the power shift can and will shift. But we aren't declaring we'll remain dominant 'til eternity, and we aren't predicting anybody else's demise.

bballer,



Good point, but the verbage spewing out of other fans suggest the almighty coldblooded has evangelical followers. It's actually refreshing how much effect the Kool-Aid has on some WSU fans. I'll miss ya guys once the season starts.:naughty:

Are you assuming? You know what they say about people who assume..

You think WSU fans are just kool-aid drinkers?

Apparently, SIU is expected to make the Final Four this year..

http://www.salukitalk.net/st/viewtopic.php?t=16517&sid=f7b3243bbeafa0a300af15b9ae179f9d

Wow, how big are you to start up all your little prissy taunting and then run away and hide once the season starts? I smell a poooooosy..?..

For once, I can truthfully agree with Dawgie..

Just shut up while ya can. You're making Saluki Nation look horrid.

[BDawgCarr]

First I'm not defending dakyne. Every team has over zealous supporters. Everyone arguing has brought a good point or two, but its all open to interpretation and that is limited to the opinion of the viewers. So guess what?!?! You are all right and you are all wrong.

However, wsuballer that thread you linked started out asking for info about the final 4 tentative dates. Then it progressed into hopeful wishing for the 2011 siu team. So yeah they expect to make the final 4... in 4 years. With the 2008-09 recruiting class coming in, if they all do sign, giving them a couple years to get some experience, gives us a better than norm chance to make it to the final 4. I'd be happy with breaking the E8, we'll just have to wait and see though.

Plz read the threads, not just the thread titles.

[dakyne]

bdawgcarr,

Agreed. But apparently you're forgetting that reading is a lost art in Wichita.

Notice there is not one peep from me re an SIU FF appearance. We all can dream, but I'm not making any predictions that extreme. There are over 330 Div. 1 teams, and there is an element of luck involved to go that deep into the tourney (aside from the usual jargon about matchups, etc.).

[dakyne]

BTW, here's my (edited to remove smack) repost about the topic of WSU football. I agree it was a tragedy that should be respected and remembered:

I had no idea of the history of WSU football. And even before I just found out 2 minutes ago, I already said I have moved along.

And like I said, I'm moving on--I didn't realize lack of football was such a sore subject.

Actually, now I'm curious--I thought the plane crashed decimated the WSU basketball team, not their football team. I must have mistaken them for the EU basketball team.

And might as well ask this also: is the WSU AD against bringing back football due to the emotional residue from that incident, or is it more of a financial drain type reasoning? It just seems like WSU fans are clamoring for football, and if they have a decent venue, they would draw well (much like Koch arena), and wouldn't have to be subsidized by mbb.

And to answer omahabound and rdr, yes, the SIU/YSU game was on CSTV yesterday. SIU won their homecoming game 24-17 on a 4th quarter TD drive.
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[Awesome Sauce Malone]

are you missing a chromosome?

[Dawgbit]

Are you assuming? You know what they say about people who assume..

You think WSU fans are just kool-aid drinkers?

Apparently, SIU is expected to make the Final Four this year..

http://www.salukitalk.net/st/viewtopic.php?t=16517&sid=f7b3243bbeafa0a300af15b9ae179f9d

Wow, how big are you to start up all your little prissy taunting and then run away and hide once the season starts? I smell a poooooosy..?..

For once, I can truthfully agree with Dawgie..

Just shut up while ya can. You're making Saluki Nation look horrid.

This year, I have been in this frickin' coma for four years now!!??:no:

Jesus, I'll bet my season tickets have been given away!!:doh:

[dakyne]

bballer,

Wow, how big are you to start up all your little prissy taunting and then run away and hide once the season starts? I smell a poooooosy..?..

I don't read VT during the season, because frankly there are more stupid posts during the season than during the offseason. I also wanted to avoid the WSU chest-beating and subsequent nuclear fall out after your great #8 ranking. In a twist of irony, I was doing you guys a favor, because the smack would have come down real hard had any of us STers signed on. To be honest, WSU became irrelevant once the MVC conference season started, so there was no need to pile on.

And based on a quick browsing of some topics, CU fans did a fine job of it already...

For your sake, Marshall hopefully will return you guys to the glory years...I think he's the right man for the job.

[Aargh]

It may seem that WSU fans and citizens are clamoring for FB at WSU, but that's because the few who clamor for it are very vocal and seek out any forum they can find.

Even most proponents say it would have to be D1. There is virtually no support in the Wichita population for attending games against FCS opponents. FB attendance with FCS opponents would likely be about the same level as WSU baseball attendance.

The financial drain would be enormous if the plan was to move to D1 ASAP.

It seems a bit odd that SIU fans are questioning why WSU doesn't have FB, when the city of Carbondale had to raise $20 mill in taxes from about 20,000 people (that's about $1,000 per man, woman, child, nursing home resident, etc. in Carbondale) at least partly because SIU was unable to generate the revenue or raise the funds to maintain their athletic facilities.

Koch Arena just had a complete rebuild, baseball is getting a $5.5 mill upgrade, the softball complex is better than most Valley baseball venues, there's an on-campus golf course, and of course the 30,000 seat track and field venue.

WSU's athletic department has ended in the black for the last 8 years with no funding from the city or the state. Student fees earmarked for the athletic department are relatively small.

Football would put a huge strain on a well-working system.

[dakyne]

aargh,

Thanks for the response. I wasn't questioning why WSU doesn't bring back football--the reasons you gave seem pretty solid.

And as I hadn't read any VT posts for months or even years, I guess I thought the vocal minority you were referring to was a vocal majority.

[Omahaboundshock]

I still have a hard time understanding how Butler County community college can have football and draw big overflow crowds (and Freinds U for that matter) but WSU can't figure out how to make it happen. I know title 9 is a big hurdle but I assume that the Jucos also have to live by title 9. There are a lot of people in Wichita who would like to see football back. I don't know if they are the minority or majority but it really doesn't matter because the administration isn't interested right now. It reminds me of the rosenblatt stadium situation in Omaha.

[dakyne]

I like how half of VT posters insist this topic is a dead issue, yet the other half want to discuss it. If a few people wanna talk about it, let 'em post about it.

Altho, I get the redundancy issue.

[Carrcar]

I still have a hard time understanding how Butler County community college can have football and draw big overflow crowds (and Freinds U for that matter) but WSU can't figure out how to make it happen. I know title 9 is a big hurdle but I assume that the Jucos also have to live by title 9. There are a lot of people in Wichita who would like to see football back. I don't know if they are the minority or majority but it really doesn't matter because the administration isn't interested right now. It reminds me of the rosenblatt stadium situation in Omaha.
Omahaboundshock,
I think there is a lot of pressure from KU and KSU to keep WSU where it is athletically. With a WSU FB team it might become the big 3 instead of the big 2 in Kansas. I read a little blurb about why schools drop FB. It said FB and BB are the big booster sports in college. BB is for the local supporters and FB is alumni driven. I think this is a valid assessment.

[outpost]

I don't read VT during the season, because frankly there are more stupid posts during the season than during the offseason.

That is not true in your case. All of your posts are stupid, and all have been made during the off-season.

Many here can't wait for your vacation from VT to start. We're counting down the hours until you return to Joliet, or wherever it is you go during the BB season.

[SubGod22]

People like winners. I think that can explain a lot about Butler. They're pretty much in the National Title hunt every year.

We've talked about Title IX on SN recently and I'm not sure it would be as big a deal at WSU as many think, or thought previously.

[outpost]

Corrected for Dak's benefit. The quote below was yours, not mine.

I don't read VT during the season, because frankly there are more stupid posts during the season than during the offseason.

That is not true in your case. All of your posts are stupid, and all have been made during the off-season.

Many here can't wait for your vacation from VT to start. We're counting down the hours until you return to Joliet, or wherever it is you go during the BB season.

[BDawgCarr]

Come on outpost. You know that isn't true. You can't wait for the season to start and watch SIU go into the abyss and rub it in Dak's face. It wont happen, but you dont want him to leave in case it does.. right?

[outpost]

Come on outpost. You know that isn't true. You can't wait for the season to start and watch SIU go into the abyss and rub it in Dak's face. It wont happen, but you dont want him to leave in case it does.. right?

Nope.....WRONG. As much as I'd like to see it happen, I'm a realist. SIU has a quality program. They're still the team to beat. But like every other school in the league, SIU has its share of a-ho!e fans.

FYI, I voted as a realist too. I didn't even vote the Salukis as most likely to drop in the "Abyss" thread.

How would Saluki fans react if someone started a thread saying "Clyde Frazier is Gay!!".......?

Another FYI....Clyde was my boyhood idol as I was growing up (I am still a Knick fan, hope they get rid of Isiah Thomas, though). I wish Joe C. Meriweather would have been more of a force for the Knicks. Depending on who he plays for, I even like Steve Finley a little bit.

You can keep Jim Hart, but only because I didn't ever care for the St. Louis (now Arizona) football Cardinals. But otherwise, a good FB player and individual.

You see, I believe that I know (and respect) SIU's traditions juuuuuust a little bit more than Dak does with respect to WSU. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

We've got good tradition here at WSU, and I'll stand behind it. We don't have football, and we haven't been perfect in terms of compliance with NCAA rules, but any major wrongdoing is ancient history, even older than our "ancient" 1989 CWS title.

[BDawgCarr]

Geez, I'm betting you know more about the traditions and whatnot of tSIU than me too.

You sure you aren't a Saluki in (whatever a shocker is)'s clothing?

Must be what a true valley fan is ... Root for one, yet recognize/appreciate the others. Good lesson for peeps imho.

[outpost]

nm........

[outpost]

I root for you all........

:braves::jays::bulldogs::aces::redbirds:
:sycamores::bears::panthers::salukis:

Unless you're playing against :shockers:

[dakyne]

For someone "who doesn't care", you sure do care on when I'll leave VT. You really are an enigma. It's a sign you don't even understand yourself.

But you know what? Since you're a true MVC fan, and can root for other MVC teams in noncon and NCAA play, I'll give you a pass.

But a little advice: no more comments about dark alleys. I'm pretty sure I can handle myself against 99% of the population out there, but it's the 1% that I worry about. And in my experience, those 1% don't make comments about dark alleys. They usually don't say anything in fact...I've trained with every level of law enforcement and military personnel you can think of, and all of the elite ones go out of their way to do and say nothing, mostly for legal reasons. They never provoke and never initiate, but they will finish if deemed necessary.

Stick with what you know: WSU athletics, and a little bit of SIU athletics, as it appears (and good for you, btw--not too many non-SIU fans remember Joe C. Meriweather, or are even old enough to).

I, like you, do cheer on other MVC teams in the noncon season (for rpi purposes), and in the NCAA's for national exposure.

[DawgieStyle]

now you guys are comparing muscles...shut the F up....good god.

[dakyne]

No, I'm not. I'm saying stick with what you know. What we know is MVC athletics, WSU in his case, and SIU in my case.

I'm trying to stay on topic. You aren't helping.

[outpost]

Apparently you don't need any help, Dak......or do you? What are you begging for help for? You dug your own hole with the da#ned sarcastic - and insensitive - football thread you started, and in a BASKETBALL FORUM at that! I agree with DawgieStyle, this is getting comical.

I'll take your advice and stay out of my own dark alley. I am perfectly content to choose the keyboard over the sword, and rip your ignorance of "anything not SIU" to shreds that way.

I am convinced that "I know" more about SIU (except maybe muscles) than you know about "anything not SIU"....and I'm going to leave it at that.

I apologize to everyone else.....Now what's the status of Turgeon's attempted theft of a Valley BB recruit? Let's go turn him in!! He's not part of our family anymore.

[dakyne]

outpost,

I am convinced that "I know" more about SIU (except maybe muscles) than you know about "anything not SIU"....and I'm going to leave it at that.

Huh? I'd like that in English, but I'm going to assume you had nothing good to say there.

In case I wasn't clear, I gave you credit for knowing more about SIU than most non-SIU fans, and you're still bitter? Even gave props to you for being a true MVC fan, and you still come back angry? You're just proving to everyone what you accuse others of--you're just looking for something to have a beef about. Sorry, look elsewhere. As fray said, why don't we just all let the teams do the talking on the court. For the past 6 years, SIU has had the upper hand. I'm not sure I've said anything earth-shattering with that statement. If you or others can't accept that, that's on you.

WSU's future looks a bit brighter with Marshall, but it will probably take a couple years, just like it did with Weber and Turgeon.