Blue Ribbon Predictions [Archive]

SycamoreFanatic

10-12-2007, 01:10 PM

I'm sure picking our Sycamores last is a no-brainer if you look at the past 2-3 years.

Do you suppose they noticed that we changed coaches and have a decent number of experienced players returning? I was thinking about buying this guide this year, but it appears to be just another no study rag......let's see, we will pick SIU 1st because they seem to end up their most every year, then some other mags are picking BU 2nd so we will go with the crowd. Oh yeah, ILSU has a new coach and all kinds of talent, let's pick them up there too (no matter that they haven't won anything in the recent past & won't march thru the league unscathed this year). No doubt, a lot of really really good in-depth research went into this?

:sycamores::no::no::no:

MikeKennedyRulz

10-12-2007, 01:23 PM

No way in he!! WSU finishes 7th. That is crap. I guess they are entitled to their opinion.

Coasterbill42

10-12-2007, 02:02 PM

Why not?

Dawg_tired

10-12-2007, 02:06 PM

Notice that not once did a Drake fan whine about being picked 9th or 10th even though none of us believe we'll end up that low. Notice that none of us complained that a team we beat twice last year is picked fourth? Oh but the shuckers seventh, OMG!!!!! And Indiana State last double OMG!!!!!!!!!

Blue Ribbon is the best of all the rating services.

Mc Bulldog

10-12-2007, 02:08 PM

Balless .. get him!

shockball

10-12-2007, 02:09 PM

Notice that not once did a Drake fan whine about being picked 9th or 10th even though none of us believe we'll end up that low.

Bulldogs were picked for 8th.

Drakey

10-12-2007, 02:53 PM

Have to admit these predictions don't look any more well thought out than the grocerie store mags.

genius4point0

10-12-2007, 03:10 PM

Have to admit these predictions don't look any more well thought out than the grocerie store mags.

It is all a matter of opinion. I think people would say they are pretty realistic, I would make one change and flip-flop WSU and CU though.

shockball

10-12-2007, 04:02 PM

DUBulldog's Blue Ribbon has Phil Thomasson coming off his redshirt year. He played extesively last year for us.

WSUbballer

10-12-2007, 04:13 PM

Bullpups finish 1st for their first NCAA appearance since 1971. Take it to the bank.

"Some" DU fans don't complain about 8th-10th place finishes because they've grown to expect them.. :yes:

DUBulldog

10-12-2007, 04:14 PM

Have to admit these predictions don't look any more well thought out than the grocerie store mags.

Which part of their predictions do you disagree with?

Clawinball

10-12-2007, 06:43 PM

Here are Blue Ribbon's predictions for the MVC:

1. SIU
2. BU
3. MSU
4. UNI
5. ILSU
6. CU
7. WSU
8. DU
9. UE
10. INSU

All-Conference team:

Ruffin
Cousinard
Coleman
Shaw
Falker

POY:

Ruffin

NOY:

David Collins (BU) I don't agree with the player of the year, i think it will be Chris Cooks! He's the best all around player i've seen in a while, he's gonna give teams fits! :clap: :bears:

jaypharmalum

10-12-2007, 06:52 PM

No way in he!! WSU finishes 7th. That is crap. I guess they are entitled to their opinion.

You think they should be higher or lower? Will CU end up 6th as predicted? I don't know (I hope not), but I also realize there are a lot of newcomers and anything is possible.

Very excited for Nov 1 and the first exhibition game.

:jays:

WSUfan

10-12-2007, 06:53 PM

My prediction: WSU beats CU on 10/12/07. :yes:

JerryBearSeinfeld

10-12-2007, 07:12 PM

I don't agree with the player of the year, i think it will be Chris Cooks! He's the best all around player i've seen in a while, he's gonna give teams fits! :clap: :bears:

i agree he will be good, he is so cocky, but he doesnt notice it :lol:

Ricky Del Rio

10-12-2007, 07:32 PM

Shaw all conference?

If so, it will be a down year in the Valley.

I still love Daniel.

MSNSaluki

10-12-2007, 09:32 PM

Shaw all conference?

If so, it will be a down year in the Valley.

I still love Daniel.

You are having a little fun here, right?

WuDrWu

10-13-2007, 03:22 AM

He's not kidding Joey, and I agree 100%. GSG is a nice player, but if he is one of the best 5 in the league then the league is devoid of any talented big men.

Ricky Del Rio

10-13-2007, 10:29 AM

You are having a little fun here, right?

No, I am sincere.

Shaw is a tier 2 player, not tier 1. He is a nice complementary player, who has some nice abilities. He is not a player, who is a difference maker.

Here are my reasons for saying so.

1. He is a poor rebounder. He is strong as a mule, but he is a poor jumper and he lacks quickness. He does take up space and if the ball is near on rebound, then his strength will usually affect a rebound.

2. He is a poor ball handler. He cannot dribble penetrate. There is not anything else to say about this point.

3. If a defender keeps a hand in his face, he does not shoot well. When a defender sloughs off to help on ball, then he becomes a very effective 3 ball shooter.

4. He cannot defend against the drive very well because of his heavy feet.

5. He is an average traffic player. He is only 6-6. He is not very athletic. So, it is difficult for him to score against taller and/or more athletic players.

7. He cannot create his own shot. (I am not sure how this expression made it into our basketball lexicon.)

I like some of his abilities as follows:

1. He is tough physically and mentally.

2. He is strong as a mule.

3. He takes up space.

4. He is an excellent free throw shooter.

5. When unguarded, he is a very good 3 ball shooter. Maybe, even excellent 3 ball shooter.

6. He plays hard 100% of the time.

7. He cannot be pushed around.

8. He is not selfish.

9. He is a very good team player.

10. He handles pressure very well.

11. He can play a lot of minutes in a game.

12. He is not foul prone.

MSNSaluki

10-13-2007, 10:54 AM

He's not kidding Joey, and I agree 100%. GSG is a nice player, but if he is one of the best 5 in the league then the league is devoid of any talented big men.

I respect your opinion.
I do have one question, though ... after Falker and Coleman, who are the best big men in the Valley? It's not like we're loaded.

MSNSaluki

10-13-2007, 10:57 AM

No, I am sincere.

Shaw is a tier 2 player, not tier 1. He is a nice complementary player, who has some nice abilities. He is not a player, who is a difference maker.

Here are my reasons for saying so.

1. He is a poor rebounder. He is strong as a mule, but he is a poor jumper and he lacks quickness. He does take up space and if the ball is near on rebound, then his strength will usually affect a rebound.

2. He is a poor ball handler. He cannot dribble penetrate. There is not anything else to say about this point.

3. If a defender keeps a hand in his face, he does not shoot well. When a defender sloughs off to help on ball, then he becomes a very effective 3 ball shooter.

4. He cannot defend against the drive very well because of his heavy feet.

5. He is an average traffic player. He is only 6-6. He is not very athletic. So, it is difficult for him to score against taller and/or more athletic players.

7. He cannot create his own shot. (I am not sure how this expression made it into our basketball lexicon.)

I like some of his abilities as follows:

1. He is tough physically and mentally.

2. He is strong as a mule.

3. He takes up space.

4. He is an excellent free throw shooter.

5. When unguarded, he is a very good 3 ball shooter. Maybe, even excellent 3 ball shooter.

6. He plays hard 100% of the time.

7. He cannot be pushed around.

8. He is not selfish.

9. He is a very good team player.

10. He handles pressure very well.

11. He can play a lot of minutes in a game.

12. He is not foul prone.

You had to go and make a reasonable argument ... BASTARD!:original:

I have to apologize: I first read it as you saying Shaw wasn't one of the top five BIG MEN in the Valley. That's why I responded as I did.

I agree ... he'll have to have a helluva year to be first-team all-conference. But they don't call him GodShawGod for nothing.:lol:

Mecha_Bulldog

10-13-2007, 12:05 PM

He's not kidding Joey, and I agree 100%. GSG is a nice player, but if he is one of the best 5 in the league then the league is devoid of any talented big men.

First-team all-conference doesn't really recognize the MVC's 5 best players. It's more like the 5 biggest contributors from the top tier teams.

dakyne

10-13-2007, 01:42 PM

RDR,

That's a very good assessment of Shaw. Having said that, there are only a couple post players in the MVC who are proven and better than him, and one of them is his teammate Falker. Coleman also has better numbers. Drew Richard of MSU might be comparable, but Shaw is more versatile as he can step outside. Until/unless another post player really steps up, Shaw doesn't have much competition. I'd say he's a lock for 2nd team, with first team being questionable.

goaces

10-13-2007, 02:31 PM

WooooHooooo.....Aces are not getting picked for last! Finally some respect! :clap::clap:

shockerfan13

10-13-2007, 05:52 PM

Nothing wrong where WSU is picked IMO. I can see reasons for anywhere from 4th-7th. I myself picked us 6th in my "pre-season poll". I believe we have a great shot at finishing higher and if things go right perhaps edging into top 3, but it's hard to list too many solid reasons why they would finish that high going into the season.

I think the predictions look fairly solid. It's really a hard year to pick the Valley...so who cares. I'm more interested in the FINAL standings anyway :)

TNMSUFAN

10-14-2007, 07:13 AM

I respect your opinion.
I do have one question, though ... after Falker and Coleman, who are the best big men in the Valley? It's not like we're loaded.

Deven Mitchell plays the 4 for us and probably should be in this discussion

DUBulldog

10-14-2007, 08:01 AM

Deven Mitchell plays the 4 for us and probably should be in this discussion

Mitchell's a very good player, but I'm not sure I'd consider him a "big man". But, since he does play the 4, I guess he could be in the discussion. (Korver plays the 4 for Drake, but I wouldn't ever think of him as a big man).

Ricky Del Rio

10-14-2007, 09:16 AM

First-team all-conference doesn't really recognize the MVC's 5 best players. It's more like the 5 biggest contributors from the top tier teams.

Yes and I would take it a step further.

It is a ppg recognition.

TNMSUFAN

10-14-2007, 09:38 AM

Mitchell's a very good player, but I'm not sure I'd consider him a "big man". But, since he does play the 4, I guess he could be in the discussion. (Korver plays the 4 for Drake, but I wouldn't ever think of him as a big man).

I agree and don't consider Deven a "big man" either but in our offense he is a 4 along with Dale Lamberth. I was pointing towards more of the discussion on first team all conference than being a big man when talking about Deven.

Mecha_Bulldog

10-14-2007, 09:43 AM

Mecha_Bulldog

10-14-2007, 09:44 AM

Yes and I would take it a step further.

It is a ppg recognition.

After reading comments about how they felt they got shafted on all-MVC teams last year, I think SIU fans would agree with that.

Chairman of the Boards

10-14-2007, 10:21 AM

Yes and I would take it a step further.

It is a ppg recognition.

"That's a fact Jack!"

salukibob

10-14-2007, 01:20 PM

No, I am sincere.

Shaw is a tier 2 player, not tier 1. He is a nice complementary player, who has some nice abilities. He is not a player, who is a difference maker.

Here are my reasons for saying so.

1. He is a poor rebounder. He is strong as a mule, but he is a poor jumper and he lacks quickness. He does take up space and if the ball is near on rebound, then his strength will usually affect a rebound.

2. He is a poor ball handler. He cannot dribble penetrate. There is not anything else to say about this point.

3. If a defender keeps a hand in his face, he does not shoot well. When a defender sloughs off to help on ball, then he becomes a very effective 3 ball shooter.

4. He cannot defend against the drive very well because of his heavy feet.

5. He is an average traffic player. He is only 6-6. He is not very athletic. So, it is difficult for him to score against taller and/or more athletic players.

7. He cannot create his own shot. (I am not sure how this expression made it into our basketball lexicon.)

I like some of his abilities as follows:

1. He is tough physically and mentally.

2. He is strong as a mule.

3. He takes up space.

4. He is an excellent free throw shooter.

5. When unguarded, he is a very good 3 ball shooter. Maybe, even excellent 3 ball shooter.

6. He plays hard 100% of the time.

7. He cannot be pushed around.

8. He is not selfish.

9. He is a very good team player.

10. He handles pressure very well.

11. He can play a lot of minutes in a game.

12. He is not foul prone.

Incredible to have SO many deficiencies and yet start for 4 years on teams that have already been to 3 consecutive NCAA tournaments. :innocent:

Ricky Del Rio

10-14-2007, 05:52 PM

Incredible to have SO many deficiencies and yet start for 4 years on teams that have already been to 3 consecutive NCAA tournaments. :innocent:

And your point is what?

All players have deficiencies. Even Tony Romo.

MSNSaluki

10-14-2007, 06:23 PM

I'm not a big fan of the Blue Ribbon.
Drank a six one night and had the ******s for a week.

Oh, wrong Blue Ribbon.:innocent:

BeeLine

10-14-2007, 07:05 PM

salukibob

10-14-2007, 09:22 PM

And your point is what?

All players have deficiencies. Even Tony Romo.

Point? Open your eyes! He's been places most players in the MVC dream about.

Ricky Del Rio

10-15-2007, 07:49 AM

Point? Open your eyes! He's been places most players in the MVC dream about.

You must be a liberal. You have managed to change the subject without addressing the original subject matter.

I suppose delay, deny, attack and destroy will be your next tactics.

DUBulldog

10-15-2007, 08:23 AM

I second your opinion, but of the actual magazine. After years of hearing about it on this site, I decided to fork over the 3-4x what any other mag runs and see for myself. Now I guess if you're into 2 page reports on evey team from North Carolina to Longwood, then this is the mag for you, but that's all it is. No features, no rosters, no recruiting lists, no stats etc. Just a two page narrative on every team in America plus schedules and a small conference preview insert. It appears well researched, but doesn't offer any great insights not found in a number of other preseason publications and doesn't have alot of the extras. I don't really care about predictions , I want details and lots of extras like transfer lists, top graduating and returning jucos, stats, rosters etc.
I think Blue Ribbon is a stretch, bronze medal maybe.

I guess where we differ is this:

The extras you wish for are readily available in dozens of different places, both in print and on the Internet. The detailed analysis of 300+ teams is not.

I don't care about bells and whistles, all I care about is content.....and Blue Ribbon has a huge advantage over every other publication in that regard.

Of course, your definition of content and mine might differ.

salukibob

10-15-2007, 09:38 AM

You must be a liberal. You have managed to change the subject without addressing the original subject matter.

I suppose delay, deny, attack and destroy will be your next tactics.

Changing the subject? What does my political affiliation have to do with Shaw's deficiencies? FYI, I've never voted for a Democrat in my life if you really need to add some spice to that argument.

All I'm trying to say is that for a guy with all the deficiencies you point out, he's been a contributing member of a successful team/program. Now, are all the other players and teams in the MVC that haven't been to that level more deficient than he is? If your answer is yes, then OK, I'll buy into the fact that everyone has deficiencies.

Perhaps there might be a few Shucker players that you could focus on. :fear:

underdawg2

10-15-2007, 11:03 AM

Changing the subject? What does my political affiliation have to do with Shaw's deficiencies? FYI, I've never voted for a Democrat in my life if you really need to add some spice to that argument.

All I'm trying to say is that for a guy with all the deficiencies you point out, he's been a contributing member of a successful team/program. Now, are all the other players and teams in the MVC that haven't been to that level more deficient than he is? If your answer is yes, then OK, I'll buy into the fact that everyone has deficiencies.

Perhaps there might be a few Shucker players that you could focus on. :fear:

Ricky must be a "liberal" under his definition---although I've found party affiliation has nothing to do with being an *sshole

Ricky Del Rio

10-15-2007, 04:09 PM

Changing the subject? What does my political affiliation have to do with Shaw's deficiencies? FYI, I've never voted for a Democrat in my life if you really need to add some spice to that argument.

All I'm trying to say is that for a guy with all the deficiencies you point out, he's been a contributing member of a successful team/program. Now, are all the other players and teams in the MVC that haven't been to that level more deficient than he is? If your answer is yes, then OK, I'll buy into the fact that everyone has deficiencies.

Perhaps there might be a few Shucker players that you could focus on. :fear:

You are confused again. I did not broach the subject. I merely commented upon it.

DawgieStyle

10-15-2007, 07:37 PM

You must be a liberal. You have managed to change the subject without addressing the original subject matter.

I suppose delay, deny, attack and destroy will be your next tactics.

I wonder how many times RDR is going to use the "you must be a liberal" come back on this board before he realizes its his only weak @#$ defense and people are tired of being annoyed by it.

PS....are the republican conservatives in the Abyss yet? If you don't know, ask W.

Mecha_Bulldog

10-15-2007, 07:45 PM

I guess where we differ is this:

The extras you wish for are readily available in dozens of different places, both in print and on the Internet. The detailed analysis of 300+ teams is not.

I don't care about bells and whistles, all I care about is content.....and Blue Ribbon has a huge advantage over every other publication in that regard.

Of course, your definition of content and mine might differ.

I've gotten Blue Ribbon for the past couple years and I've enjoyed it. Seeing an in-depth write up on all 300+ D1 teams is nice. It's also the most up to date guide on the market. It has stats from Drake's games in the Bahamas this August. Most other guides were already on the shelves in August.

The thing I don't like about it is it seems to have more little mistakes than other guides. I see occasional typos. Every Blue Ribbon I've read calls Northern Iowa NIU. This year's version uses the Kansas Jayhawk logo with the Kansas State preview. Stuff like that makes me wonder what else they got wrong.

NoPlaceLikeDome

10-15-2007, 09:40 PM

I'm surprised no one has had a problem with UNI's placement. It seems in fan predictions, UNI is around 7th.

Mecha_Bulldog

10-15-2007, 10:06 PM

I think teams 3-7 are pretty interchangeable. Put UNI, MSU, CU, IlSU, and WSU in any order, and I wouldn't have a problem with it.

DUBulldog

10-16-2007, 05:04 AM

The thing I don't like about it is it seems to have more little mistakes than other guides. I see occasional typos.

Yeah, that's become much more noticable in the past few years.....it could definitely be proofread better.

Of course, when you have 10 times as much text as the other publications, you're bound to have more mistakes/typos creep in.

Mc Bulldog

10-16-2007, 06:04 AM

You know ... the guy who played the Incredible Hulk is the guy who does the write up on the Valley. I can't think of his name but I hear that when anyone critizes his writing he turns all buff, green, and mean. Oh .. his name is Bill Paxton, right?

Drakey

10-16-2007, 09:21 AM

Bill Bixby

genius4point0

10-16-2007, 09:55 AM

I think teams 3-7 are pretty interchangeable. Put UNI, MSU, CU, IlSU, and WSU in any order, and I wouldn't have a problem with it.

I would agree there, although some teams are more likely to finish 3 or 4 than 6 or 7. I would say MSU would be the best of those teams with Il St and UNI very close, then WSU and CU.

Why so shocked that people are not going crazy over UNI being picked 4th, they return one of the top big men in the league, have coach they should be more familiar with, and had some young talent last year that showed signs of being able to contribute this year.

DannyCooksey

10-16-2007, 10:06 AM

Bill Bixby

He didn't make it. Died about 15 years ago. Can't be him doing the writing.

DannyCooksey

10-16-2007, 10:07 AM

Bill Bixby

He didn't make it. Died about 15 years ago. Can't be him doing the writing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Bixby

genius4point0

10-16-2007, 10:13 AM

WSUbballer

10-16-2007, 10:20 AM

Actually I found a thread where a Saluki fan was hoping WSU would be a top five team. That is anything but crying about attention. I also beleive a CU fan was saying it was good for the valley if it were to happen.

http://valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=3049

Also if you read down, a WSU fan mentions the possibility of WSU getting a 1, 2, 3, or 4 seed. Implying you are deserving of a 1 seed is saying you are heads and shoulders above everyone in the conference. That was done last year (perhaps deservedly of a 3 or 4) but not a 1. Also, perhaps the people that we supposedly spouting about WSU falling back knew what they were talking about, as it did after all happen.

I don't see anyone here claiming SIU is going to run away with the crown, they are saying it is up for grabs but that their team is the favorite.

Woo.. wanna cookie? You found a single fan from CU and SIU saying it's good for the Valley. Good for them. I can go back and find a lot of posters that felt the opposite and couldn't wait for the collapse to occur.

Also, on the contrary, there were several WSU fans who weren't boasting and didn't get too ahead of themselves, trying to tame the rest of the pack.

It works both ways. Picking out a single statement by one fan doesn't really prove anything.

DoubleJayAlum

10-16-2007, 11:42 AM

Also, on the contrary, there were several WSU fans who weren't boasting and didn't get too ahead of themselves, trying to tame the rest of the pack.

I certainly don't rememeber "several". There might have been a "few" or maybe even a "couple". Nevertheless, there were certainly more WSU fans predicting dominance than there were those that were trying to tame the rest of the pack.

WSUbballer

10-16-2007, 11:51 AM

I certainly don't rememeber "several". There might have been a "few" or maybe even a "couple". Nevertheless, there were certainly more WSU fans predicting dominance than there were those that were trying to tame the rest of the pack.

A lot of the posters weren't saying anything.. Just because they didn't say anything, doesn't mean they don't count. Many stayed quiet. A few went bold. The bold ones probably stuck out more in your mind than the non-posting ones, obviously.

Again, we should have kept quiet. We were ranked #8 in the country. It wasn't that exciting and we all know being ranked Top 10 is something that happens allllll the time.. :no:

MSNSaluki

10-16-2007, 12:00 PM

I thought I negotiated a truce on this matter.:doh:

All right ... we all meet in Kansas City for a night of Tequilla shots. We're gonna end this once and for all.

genius4point0

10-16-2007, 12:13 PM

I can go back and find a lot of posters that felt the opposite and couldn't wait for the collapse to occur.

You havn't found any yet.

Also, considering the time of year it was, I think fans of all teams would start to want the collapse, or losses to start flowing. It was nearing the start of conference season, in fact 8 days away from starting before you had your first loss. I don't think any true fan of a team would want to see a valley team beat their team for the sake of the conference. So, considering the time of year, it is to be expected that fans are starting to get away from the love fest. Some fans have started already and we are weeks away from the first game, let alone conference season.

It is in the best interest of the conference to have valley teams win in the non-conference schedule for a number of reason, which is why most people want valley teams to do well until it gets to conference season. Any good press is good for the conference, don't complain when a team gets it, if you want to break a team down fine, but you need more facts than a team lost 2 players from a year ago.

shockball

10-16-2007, 01:25 PM

I certainly don't rememeber "several". There might have been a "few" or maybe even a "couple". Nevertheless, there were certainly more WSU fans predicting dominance than there were those that were trying to tame the rest of the pack.

When DA was going down (Arkansas) there were several posters telling others to back off the CU fan base.

WSUbballer

10-16-2007, 02:48 PM

You havn't found any yet.

Also, considering the time of year it was, I think fans of all teams would start to want the collapse, or losses to start flowing. It was nearing the start of conference season, in fact 8 days away from starting before you had your first loss. I don't think any true fan of a team would want to see a valley team beat their team for the sake of the conference. So, considering the time of year, it is to be expected that fans are starting to get away from the love fest. Some fans have started already and we are weeks away from the first game, let alone conference season.

It is in the best interest of the conference to have valley teams win in the non-conference schedule for a number of reason, which is why most people want valley teams to do well until it gets to conference season. Any good press is good for the conference, don't complain when a team gets it, if you want to break a team down fine, but you need more facts than a team lost 2 players from a year ago.

Maybe I haven't found any because I haven't been looking for any? I'll try to get some together later (I got Shocker Madness to get goin' to in a bit) if the memories of bad little SIU and CU fans have escaped your mind.

The "collapse" talk began in early to mid December when WSU and MSU was receiving every bit of press for this damn conference. Some people couldn't take it and the drilling began a-happenin'. See New Mexico and USC losses.

Oh, just 2 players? 2 pretty important players. See WSU last year after a Sweet 16 season and losing only 1 starter.

Ricky Del Rio

10-16-2007, 04:05 PM

I wonder how many times RDR is going to use the "you must be a liberal" come back on this board before he realizes its his only weak @#$ defense and people are tired of being annoyed by it.

PS....are the republican conservatives in the Abyss yet? If you don't know, ask W.

Are you attempting to attack and destroy me?

All I did was state facts, which even your Doggie buds did not object, saving commie Bob, of course.

"Facts", as someone real famous said one time, "can be a worrisome thing." Or was it "nettlesome."

Dawgbit

10-16-2007, 05:11 PM

Changing the subject? What does my political affiliation have to do with Shaw's deficiencies? FYI, I've never voted for a Democrat in my life if you really need to add some spice to that argument.

All I'm trying to say is that for a guy with all the deficiencies you point out, he's been a contributing member of a successful team/program. Now, are all the other players and teams in the MVC that haven't been to that level more deficient than he is? If your answer is yes, then OK, I'll buy into the fact that everyone has deficiencies.

Perhaps there might be a few Shucker players that you could focus on. :fear:

For the record, the "deficient one", who cannot rebound, and is 3/4 of the way through his career, is currently #25 on SIU list of top rebounders.

DawgieStyle

10-16-2007, 06:48 PM

Are you attempting to attack and destroy me?

All I did was state facts, which even your Doggie buds did not object, saving commie Bob, of course.

"Facts", as someone real famous said one time, "can be a worrisome thing." Or was it "nettlesome."

you must be a conservative.....

Ricky Del Rio

10-16-2007, 07:07 PM

For the record, the "deficient one", who cannot rebound, and is 3/4 of the way through his career, is currently #25 on SIU list of top rebounders.

If 5.7 rpg is fine for you, it is fine for me.

It seems a little low for a lottery pick, 4 time All American, 4 time MVC all conference, 4 time MVC MVP player.

I'm just sayin'.

Awesome Sauce Malone

10-16-2007, 08:18 PM

I thought I negotiated a truce on this matter.:doh:

All right ... we all meet in Kansas City for a night of Tequilla shots. We're gonna end this once and for all.

Keep the tekillya sir and pass me some jager.

or crown

or vodka

anything but tequila :grin:

MSNSaluki

10-16-2007, 10:08 PM

Keep the tekillya sir and pass me some jager.

or crown

or vodka

anything but tequila :grin:

We'll alternate shots of Jack and Crown ... how's that?:original:

dakyne

10-21-2007, 02:02 AM

RDr,

If 5.7 rpg is fine for you, it is fine for me.

It seems a little low for a lottery pick, 4 time All American, 4 time MVC all conference, 4 time MVC MVP player.

The problem with your logic is that no SIU fan was saying he was going to be a lottery pick, nor any of those silly claims. He's merely one of the best post players in the MVC, a potential 2nd team selection, and already one of the best rebounders and shooters at any position in the conference. And a post player 9 other MVC teams would love to have.

If you're trying to compare SIU fans' enthusiasm for Shaw when he was an incoming freshman vs. WSU fans' for their Shockers last season, you're climbing up the wrong tree. One outcome has pretty much met most fans' hopes, while the other one dashed hopes (predictions, actually) pretty quickly. I'll let you figure out who was more right.

On an unrelated topic, Dyer is a post player who is getting very little press, who may have another outstanding year from the offensive end.

Dawgbit

10-23-2007, 04:22 PM

If 5.7 rpg is fine for you, it is fine for me.

It seems a little low for a lottery pick, 4 time All American, 4 time MVC all conference, 4 time MVC MVP player.

I'm just sayin'.

It has certainly been good enough to start for the team that has handed the Shuckers their wheat-tinged arses over the last three years.

N'est pas, oh fluent one?

Coasterbill42

10-23-2007, 04:44 PM

Any ESPNinsider care to share this story? You can PM if you want. thanks!

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/insider/news/story?id=3038947&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb %2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d3038947

DawgieStyle

10-23-2007, 08:33 PM

If 5.7 rpg is fine for you, it is fine for me.

It seems a little low for a lottery pick, 4 time All American, 4 time MVC all conference, 4 time MVC MVP player.

I'm just sayin'.

I figure you know so much about other teams going to the abyss, you must know a lot about the abyss. and what better way to have knowledge about it than to have experienced it. How's life in the abyss? Is it cold there? How's the weather? Does it rain a lot, and does the dark one him self touch you in inappropriate ways?

salukibob

10-23-2007, 08:56 PM

user1

10-24-2007, 10:07 AM

Here's a new preseason preview that names Bradley as the Conference Champ
The Hoops Report Missouri Valley Conference Preview (http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5392)

DUBulldog

10-24-2007, 10:16 AM

Here's a new preseason preview that names Bradley as the Conference Champ
The Hoops Report Missouri Valley Conference Preview (http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5392)

I don't see any projected standings in that article. The closest thing to any predictions that I saw was the statement that SIU, BU and UNI were the top 3 teams. Is there something that I'm missing?

Mecha_Bulldog

10-24-2007, 10:18 AM

http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=47

How about a direct link? :yes: This is at the bottom:

Projected Player of the Year:
Eric Coleman 6-6 C Sr. Northern Iowa

Projected Conference Champion:
Bradley Braves

Dark Horse:
Missouri State Bears

DoubleJayAlum

10-24-2007, 11:13 AM

After reading that preview, I predict a meltdown on VT will occur shortly... :)

DUBulldog

10-24-2007, 11:26 AM

After reading that preview, I predict a meltdown on VT will occur shortly... :)

Hopefully, people will realize that it is nothing more than a poorly researched, poorly written, extremely vague rundown from some obscure website. Just because it was on the Internet doesn't grant it legitimacy.

WSUbballer

10-24-2007, 11:40 AM

For me at least, it's kinda refreshing to see somebody different picked at the top..

Maggie

10-24-2007, 11:45 AM

For me at least, it's kinda refreshing to see somebody different picked at the top..

Some how I don't think picking Bradley was what DJA believes will cause a meltdown.

WSUbballer

10-24-2007, 11:56 AM

Some how I don't think picking Bradley was what DJA believes will cause a meltdown.

I wasn't directing that comment towards anyone in particular..

I realize it might have something to do with POY maybe..?

DawgieStyle

10-24-2007, 12:16 PM

After reading that preview, I predict a meltdown on VT will occur shortly... :)

no, everyones entitled to their opinion. The problem is, when some hack has their own website like this, people automatically give the guy credibility. Question is why?

The media today isn't like it used to be. Any Joe Blow can set up their own web site now and offer their opinion as some knock off media person. Which just isn't true.

In the old days the only people who got their opinon out to the masses were news paper journalist, who either had vast experience in the industry as well as a degree, or were a former player or coach who had actually gained knowledge in that specific area, in this case basketball. Their opinion was actually worth something. It had substance, experience, and research. you couldn't get hired unless you had some talent.

This new breed of "journalist," if you can even call them that, bypassed all of the "old" requirements due to the invention of the internet. So now all you need to be considered a media source and to have a valid opinion is a keyboard, a web address, and the time to maintain a web site.

So when I say he's a hack, it isn't becuse of his opinon....he's a hack becuase that's exactly what he is.

DUBulldog

10-24-2007, 12:44 PM

no, everyones entitled to their opinion. The problem is, when some hack has their own website like this, people automatically give the guy credibility. Question is why?

The media today isn't like it used to be. Any Joe Blow can set up their own web site now and offer their opinion as some knock off media person. Which just isn't true.

In the old days the only people who got their opinon out to the masses were news paper journalist, who either had vast experience in the industry as well as a degree, or were a former player or coach who had actually gained knowledge in that specific area, in this case basketball. Their opinion was actually worth something. It had substance, experience, and research. you couldn't get hired unless you had some talent.

This new breed of "journalist," if you can even call them that, bypassed all of the "old" requirements due to the invention of the internet. So now all you need to be considered a media source and to have a valid opinion is a keyboard, a web address, and the time to maintain a web site.

So when I say he's a hack, it isn't becuse of his opinon....he's a hack becuase that's exactly what he is.

Wow, I actually find myself agreeing with Dawgie on this one. link (http://www.valleytalk.net/showpost.php?p=103630&postcount=81)

Maggie

10-24-2007, 12:45 PM

I wasn't directing that comment towards anyone in particular..

I realize it might have something to do with POY maybe..?

Nope. Unless I missed something, the omission of a couple of teams, well in particular one team, might rub some people the wrong way.

That being said, DawgieStyle is correct in this case.

WSUbballer

10-24-2007, 02:50 PM

Nope. Unless I missed something, the omission of a couple of teams, well in particular one team, might rub some people the wrong way.

That being said, DawgieStyle is correct in this case.

Huh?

I don't get it..

You think a meltdown might ensue because a certain team wasn't mentioned by an already before-mentioned "Joe Blow" on his website?

I'm not seeing the predicted meltdown..

I figured Eric Coleman (very nice player, though) being picked as his POY over, say a Randall Falker, would cause more controversy than anything..

Nice try though.

Mecha_Bulldog

10-24-2007, 03:43 PM

Nope. Unless I missed something, the omission of a couple of teams, well in particular one team, might rub some people the wrong way.

That being said, DawgieStyle is correct in this case.

I'm sure it's annoying, even insulting when someone completely forgets that your team exists, but I don't think Indiana State fans are the kind to throw a meltdown.

siudog

10-24-2007, 06:00 PM

I don t know about you but BR has 6 of the P10 schools in there Top 25

:salukis:

Maggie

10-25-2007, 05:27 AM

Huh?

I don't get it..

You think a meltdown might ensue because a certain team wasn't mentioned by an already before-mentioned "Joe Blow" on his website?

I'm not seeing the predicted meltdown..

I figured Eric Coleman (very nice player, though) being picked as his POY over, say a Randall Falker, would cause more controversy than anything..

Nice try though.

Relax. I never said a melt down would occur. I was merely guessing why others might think it would happen.