Any tired of blaming the BCS for everything?

[BlueJay96]

As I read through the threads, all I see is negativity from our conference, and blame towards the BCS schools.

Why not focus on winning our OOC games and then many things would be settled.

For instance, Bradley has a home game against Michigan State tomorrow.

Bradley has won 29 OOC games at home (5 th in the nation). This is going to be a great chance to win against a powerhouse program.

Just don't buy into "always" blaming others when we have shots like tomorrow.

[IH8SIU]

I agree, BUT we have had shots and capitalized in the past and still got the shaft (2006). No matter what we will be "discriminated" against just because we arent in a BCS conference. I know people are going to disagree, but BCS conferences rule. I'm not necessarily talking about this year, because I will agree we still don't have the marquee wins, but in general we will have to do more than BCS schools. If there are two schools with the same resume, the BCS school will get picked every time. It's just truth. We just have to go out and win - it's as simple as that.

[Omahaboundshock]

The Valley was definitely screwed last year. We had a winning record against the six BCS conferences and many marquee wins.

Yet we only got 2 bids. MSU gets screwed every year.

One thing that would help is if we could eek out an extra bid in an off year like this one.

[Divergence]

As I read through the threads, all I see is negativity from our conference, and blame towards the BCS schools.

Well, they are the cause of global warming and poverty and radical islam, and cheating in the NCAA, so the BCS conferences should be held accountable for their oppression.

Why not focus on winning our OOC games and then many things would be settled.I have heard this before and I have always wondered how fans are suppose to "focus". Should we be putting on face paint? At what time should we be putting on our face paint so we can focus?

a. Right before the game
b. Or should we put it on after we get out of the shower in the morning before we go to work so we can "focus" all day long.

How should I "focus" during the day? Any tips? I want to help my team.

Should it be like "Sorry boss, I can't do that for you - I am focussing on my team next opponent and thinking YOU WILL MISS EVERY 3 POINTER TONIGHT" or maybe we should all go out and eat something with alot of beans and "stink" them out of our house.

I heard on MSU post-game show last night that Barry blamed their loss on lack of "Fan Focus". Come on guys, your better than that. A little more F-O-C-U-S and you would have led your team to victory.

[outpost]

Simply put, I am......was........and always will be.........a champion of the underdog in sports.

:valley:

[troutangler]

The Valley was definitely screwed last year. We had a winning record against the six BCS conferences and many marquee wins.

Yet we only got 2 bids. MSU gets screwed every year.

One thing that would help is if we could eek out an extra bid in an off year like this one.

MSU didn't get screwed every year. They didn't do enough to get in the last two years, plain and simple. If you take the teams individually and not the conference, they didn't do enough. No marquee wins in 2006, and only one in 2007 (Wisconsin), plus going 0-5 against SIU/CU.

I agree with whoever started the thread. Quit bitching about the BCS and just play.

[Aegyptus]

As I read through the threads, all I see is negativity from our conference, and blame towards the BCS schools.

Why not focus on winning our OOC games and then many things would be settled.

For instance, Bradley has a home game against Michigan State tomorrow.

Bradley has won 29 OOC games at home (5 th in the nation). This is going to be a great chance to win against a powerhouse program.

Just don't buy into "always" blaming others when we have shots like tomorrow.

Fine. Tell that to Hawaii. They won every game they played. How did that work out for them?

There is bias built into the system. We can take care of business for ourself, but we will still not be seen as an equal member of the NCAA.

The BCS is a powerful system that has an incentive to consolidate their power within a limited number of programs. They have managed to build a inherent difference in our minds between the "6 power conferences" and "everyone else." Even though there really is no justification for that distinction other than to consolidate power and money. I really feel bad for the MWC, the A-10, and C-USA which used to be on the inside and are now on the outside as "mid-majors." We have never really been on the inside (at least not in the ESPN era), so it is not as bad for us.

But, don't worry the consolidation will not stop at 6. The more powerful of the 6 conferences will eventually seek to build even greater distinctions into a "ultimate 3" or something model where you will see the Big 12 and Big East and may the SEC considered a step below the Pac-10, ACC and Big 10. Seems odd, but when it happens 10 years from now, don't be surprised. And notice, those distinctions have very little to do with winning. By anyones estimation, the Big 10 is an inferior athletic conference if your criteria is only sports (and the ACC in football). But, given the broader institutional context the Big 10 is equal to if not better than the SEC. The fact is that you have many peer universities to SIU in the SEC, Big 12, and Big East (its true look it up). Over time, the Big 10 will seek to point that out and make a further distinction just as they made with the MWC and C-USA.

The oppression of the BCS is real, but it is a natural byproduct of a competitive system, so there is really nothing wrong with it and it should be expected. But, we on the outside need to recognize it and come up with ways to fight against the system. When they build the RPI to justify eliminating winning teams (similar to Hawaii's situation in football), we need to understand the RPI and fight against it. We did that. They are now devaluing the RPI - which is a natural response. They will come up with something different (notice rankings are valued more highly these days) and then we will have to fight against that. On and on. But their major oppression mechanism is the media (just like a governments). So, as long as they control the messenger, they will control the message. But, in a capitalist society the messenger's motivation is money and it keeps no real allegiance beyond that. So, if you can figure out how to bribe the messenger, you can control the message.

This is why I have long advocated for teaming up with the MWC, WAC, A-10 and C-USA to pool our resources to bribe the messenger to control the message long enough to redefine the paradigm from "power 6" to "Top 10" or something like that.

It can be done and we can successfully fight the BCS, we just have to be creative. But, don't kid yourself. The oppression is real. Right now Duke is undefeated. As is Creighton, St. Mary's and UT-Arlington. If each of these teams win out, what will be their seed in the NCAA?

[Khan4Cats]

What does everyone think will happen after the NCAA moratorium on teams switching classifications in football is up?

Easy answer:

There will be new rules in place that will guarantee the supremacy of the 6 conferences that own the Bowl Championship title in football and probably a new realignment of Division 1 football. The second tier FBS conferences will be cut out of the decision process, definitely left out of the $$$ equation, and likely forced into a different classification. FCS football playing conferences like the CAA and Gateway/Missouri Valley may be forced into this class as well. The already huge disparity in $$$ will continue to grow as rules will be put into place to guarantee the gap will not be cut into.

[BlueJay96]

It's simple we just have to go out and win.

Comparing Duke to Creighton, as having played the same caliber or teams seems silly (WITHOUT looking at SOS thus far). However, I'm thinking Duke has a harder SOS thus far.

Part of the problem lies in scheduling (not the BCS), our team/coach needs to schedule the big dogs and win them if they really want to be considered as equals.

Blaming the BCS and talking about them all the time, really gets tiresome for people that understand hoops.

Beside the fact we look dumb talking BCS on the basketball boards.

Do our fans truly understand that BCS is FOOTBALL not BASKETBALL:
"The BCS conferences are the six major NCAA Division I FBS football conferences whose champions receive an automatic bid into the Bowl Championship Series every year."

[tgcshock]

Well, I've thought about it for a while now and . . . .NO, BLAMING THE BCS FOR EVERYTHING JUST DOESN'T GET OLD!

[BlueJay96]

Set those people over there on fire?

Ok, there is a line you have to draw on this stuff (even online, IMO).

Guess everyone is entitled to their opinion but seriously that is below the belt for me.

[Divergence]

I was really "focused" tonight.

[Omahaboundshock]

MSU didn't get screwed every year. They didn't do enough to get in the last two years, plain and simple. If you take the teams individually and not the conference, they didn't do enough. No marquee wins in 2006, and only one in 2007 (Wisconsin), plus going 0-5 against SIU/CU.

I agree with whoever started the thread. Quit bitching about the BCS and just play.


There were several teams that got in last year that were less deserving than Missouri St.

MSU had an rpi of 38. Stanford, just one example, had an rpi of 60. BCS teams NEVER get left out if there rpi is in the top 45.

There is definitely a double standard. If a non-BCS has a great record and a couple of quality wins but their rpi isn't in the top 40, they will say their rpi isn't high enough (ie- Utah State a couple of years ago, they were like 24-2 and ranked in the top 25, but their rpi was something like 43, so they get bumped for a barely above .500 BCS conference team with an rpi in the 50s).

On the other hand, when MSU had an rpi of 21 in 2006 (the best rpi ever left out of the ncaa tournament) then they said they got left out because they didn't have a marquee win. If they had been in a BCS conference, wins over conference teams with a top 50 rpi would have been good enough, but since their top 50 wins (4 of them as I recall) were over other Valley teams it wasn't.

Double standard, pure and simple.

[BlueJay96]

Any team that wants to be in the BIG DANCE needs to have marquee wins. It really plain and simple.

You can argue several BCS teams should have made it last year but did not as well using those kind of arguments.

Remember, all teams are judged by marquee wins and wins on the road. I'd say you take on BCS teams at their house. If you win, then you have a marquee win and guess what it's on the road.

[tgcshock]

Set those people over there on fire?

Ok, there is a line you have to draw on this stuff (even online, IMO).

Guess everyone is entitled to their opinion but seriously that is below the belt for me.

"The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done." --George Carlin

The quote in the signature line is from humorist/satirist George Carlin as is clearly noted. It is IRONIC in tone!! I use it on an internet board as a reminder that some people get carried away on boards like this and end up treating other posters as enemies to be destroyed at all costs. It is a warning AGAINST taking everything too seriously! :banghead:

[BlueJay96]

If was a joke, np. It's hard to hear sarcasm in typing.

[tgcshock]

If was a joke, np. It's hard to hear sarcasm in typing.

It's not a joke, it's IRONY. And did the fact that the line came from George Carlin give you no clue whatsoever?

[outpost]

tgc -

I say we give Bluejay96 a break. He's new here.

He's had 137 NICE DAYS in a row, damnit.....and he was ready for a crappy one.

Now get that week-old fault-ridden chocolate pudding (it's only this far from the edge of the bowl) out of your refrigerator and go give it to an animal, 'cause I don't want it.

[tgcshock]

tgc -

I say we give Bluejay96 a break. He's new here.

He's had 137 NICE DAYS in a row, damnit.....and he was ready for a crappy one.

Now get that week-old fault-ridden chocolate pudding (it's only this far from the edge of the bowl) out of your refrigerator and go give it to an animal, 'cause I don't want it.

Hey, I didn't start it so I'm happy to quit. Bluejay96, we are good from my end.

[outpost]

We're all good tgc.

I wish Mrs. outpost didn't want so much stuff. We're gonna have to get a bigger place soon, our pad right now doesn't hold enough stuff.

I hope she doesn't want to bring all of our stuff with us to KC next weekend. But if she does, then I'm the one sitting next to all the stuff she brought for the UMKC game. :helpsmilie: I hope we don't have to buy a ticket or two for all of that extra stuff.

(I wonder how much stuff Mrs. outpost wants to bring to Dallas.....:helpsmilie::helpsmilie: the following weekend.)

[MoValley John]

"The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someeone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire."

Wow! I didn't know that it was from George Carlin. I have always thought that it was a George Carlin bit. My bad.

[bleach]

Does Mrs. Outpost like to go to the stuffmart?

[outpost]

Not limited to the stuffmart.....she'll go to the crap-mart, the bullshat-mart, the junkmart, the heapmart, the miscellanea-mart, the assortedmart, and any mart that marts their merchandise like a mart.

Sometimes I don't see her for days.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Not limited to the stuffmart.....she'll go to the crap-mart, the bullshat-mart, the junkmart, the heapmart, the miscellanea-mart, the assortedmart, and any mart that marts their merchandise like a mart.

I was going to put the laughing emoticon, but then I realized I've got a similar issues in my household.