SIU at Charlotte

[LincolnJay]

19-9 down with bad shooting so far. :no:

[WSUbballer]

Down 10 already?

That can't be good.

Oh, dawg.. looks like you put the proverbial jinx on the Uglies. Way ta go homeboy. I <3 it!!

[Divergence]

19-9 down with bad shooting so far. :no:

Is that any suprise?

[LincolnJay]

Halftime, 32-20. SIU shoots about 30%. Yuck.

[WSUbballer]

Charlotte leads 32-20.

dawg.. where are ya? You aren't playing the fair-weather mofo card again, are ya? Poor fella..

[WSUbballer]

Halftime, 32-20. SIU shoots about 30%. Yuck.

Yuck/Suck.. same thing.

[shaunguth]

Here's the prediction I made on another site at 10:49am:

65 - SIU
66 - Charlotte

It doesn't look good at this point for SIU as I don't believe they have the offense to make up large deficits. Really wish this game was on television in the Peoria area. Would've liked to seen what Coley can do against the mighty Saluki defense.

[WSUbballer]

It's only halftime and salukitalk has already gone into full-blown meltdown mode.. :lol::lol:

Disclaimer: For the cool SIU posters (and you know who you are), this stuff isn't directed at you. dawg continues to dig himself a big hole and I'm just piling some much deserved dirt on the d-bag. So please take no offense in some of my postings, because I honestly feel for ya.

I'm just happy because for the third Saluki gamenight in a row, dawg is gonna be sad.. :(

[LincolnJay]

39-20, Lowery calls to T.O. stop the bleeding. SUCKY!!:helpsmilie:

[C0|db|00ded]

It's only halftime and salukitalk has already gone into full-blown meltdown mode.. :lol::lol:

Disclaimer: For the cool SIU posters (and you know who you are), this stuff isn't directed at you. dawg continues to dig himself a big hole and I'm just piling some much deserved dirt on the d-bag. So please take no offense in some of my postings, because I honestly feel for ya.

I'm just happy because for the third Saluki gamenight in a row, dawg is gonna be sad.. :(

Dude chill! Can you be any more transparent as to how much this "dawg" person has gotten to you? He is consuming your life!

It takes very little skill to step on a man's head when he is down. Try rattling him when the Salukis are on a 5-game winning streak. That's what I would do.

Any behavior justice that needs to be realized will be automatically earned with the doggies reeling.


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[tBU]

It's only halftime and salukitalk has already gone into full-blown meltdown mode.. :lol::lol:

Disclaimer: For the cool SIU posters (and you know who you are), this stuff isn't directed at you. dawg continues to dig himself a big hole and I'm just piling some much deserved dirt on the d-bag. So please take no offense in some of my postings, because I honestly feel for ya.

I'm just happy because for the third Saluki gamenight in a row, dawg is gonna be sad.. :(


Why lower yourself to the level you put HIM at. Why not rise above it? I remeber this stuff from gradeschool.....the ole " well he started it."

Just sayin.....besides if the dawgs DO come back:doh:

[WSUbballer]

Dude chill! Can you be any more transparent as to how much this "dawg" person has gotten to you? He is consuming your life!

It takes very little skill to step on a man's head when he is down. Try rattling him when the Salukis are on a 5-game winning streak. That's what I would do.

Any behavior justice that needs to be realized will be automatically earned with the doggies reeling.


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You're actually right. I shouldn't stoop to his level.

It's just he thought he was so cute with himself on our Monmouth game thread and hitting us when we were down.

I just wanted to see if he at least shows up when these beatdowns are happening. Looks like he only comes out when the sun shines. Just kinda sad..

Anyways.. SIU down 19 now.. :helpsmilie:

[LincolnJay]

Judas Priest, play for some pride!:ranting: Down about 23 now.

[tBU]

Dude chill! Can you be any more transparent as to how much this "dawg" person has gotten to you? He is consuming your life!

It takes very little skill to step on a man's head when he is down. Try rattling him when the Salukis are on a 5-game winning streak. That's what I would do.

Any behavior justice that needs to be realized will be automatically earned with the doggies reeling.


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cold with some common sense and a warm side.....who knew:yes:

Well said.

[WSUbballer]

Why lower yourself to the level you put HIM at. Why not rise above it? I remeber this stuff from gradeschool.....the ole " well he started it."

Just sayin.....besides if the dawgs DO come back:doh:

I agree. You're right. Except for the last sentence. Stick a fork in 'em. The Uglies are cooked.

[tBU]

Any word on Coley.....BU battled Charlotte to the end with this guy.

[smsandmsuson]

It just turned ugly. The Valley is WIDE open this year, probably more so this year then any other

[Divergence]

I believe there may be an epidemic of GawdShawGawd disease in the MVC.

[LincolnJay]

Any word on Coley.....BU battled Charlotte to the end with this guy.

Couple buckets - their guards have been the difference.

Edit:

Here's the Charlotte site with a gametracker:
http://charlotte49ers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/ncch-m-baskbl-body.html

Coley had 6 points and 4 boards but 3 blocks in 19 minutes when I looked

[shaunguth]

I can understand WSUbballer's point of view. I mean all we've heard BEFORE the games started was how SIU is the flagship of the Valley this and every other year, they do not have "down" years, they are not a mid-major program, and they already had an ncaa bid all but wrapped up in November. When in reality, they are among WSU, Indiana State, and Evansville when it comes to scoring margin.

By the way, Charlotte was averaging 68.6 coming into this game. I don't see the mighty Saluki defense taking them out of their game too much! However, SIU may have a hard time reaching their lofty average of 62.

[shaunguth]

Any word on Coley.....BU battled Charlotte to the end with this guy.

6 points, 4 rebounds with 11:57 left to play.

[LincolnJay]

SIU showing some grit and pride - back to 14 and UNCC calls a T.O.

[shaunguth]

Coley with four more points in the last four minutes.

54-36, 7:41 left

[MoValley John]

I cannot get the audio to work. Is the link on the sticky correct?

[shockball]

Works well for me.

[Hortonfldhse]

56-37 Charlotte

[shockball]

Thanks for the score.:innocent:

[shaunguth]

61-43, 4:48

[shaunguth]

61-46, 4:17

[Aegyptus]

Okay. Panic.

[Ricky Del Rio]

I can understand WSUbballer's point of view. I mean all we've heard BEFORE the games started was how SIU is the flagship of the Valley this and every other year, they do not have "down" years, they are not a mid-major program, and they already had an ncaa bid all but wrapped up in November. When in reality, they are among WSU, Indiana State, and Evansville when it comes to scoring margin.

By the way, Charlotte was averaging 68.6 coming into this game. I don't see the mighty Saluki defense taking them out of their game too much! However, SIU may have a hard time reaching their lofty average of 62.


And don't forget the Doggies' most favorite line, "The road to the championship goes through Carbondale."

It just might be going through Des Moines.

[shaunguth]

63-46, 3:33

[MoValley John]

What is the deal? Since I can't get feed, I'll take a guess, SIU's defense is still good, but not quite as tenacious as in years past. However, nobody but Falker is a scoring threat, therefore, blowout. Am I close to right?

[Ricky Del Rio]

Looks like the Doggies will power right through 50 points.

[shaunguth]

No! Not even close.

The "POY" hasn't shown up at all! 0-3 from the field, 0 points, 5 rebounds, 4 fouls.

[LincolnJay]

No, Falker has done nothing. Shaw has 15 and 6 and Bone and Mullins have scored some. The Charlotte guards have had their way.

[shaunguth]

63-48, 2:48

[shaunguth]

63-50, 2:20

[shaunguth]

65-50, 2:02

[shaunguth]

66-53, 1:54

[Ricky Del Rio]

Just left the Doggie board.

Hysteria has been redefined.

Examples:

"Bench GodShaw."

"Bench entire starting 5, including Falker, and start all freshmen."

"Falker has done nothing in this game."

[shaunguth]

69-56, 1:04

[gtmoBlue]

Three straight L's...oops. Can we go for 4??

Luvin' it.


Ind St won...looks like the valley may go 3-2 tonight.

[C0|db|00ded]

"All-American" candidate Falker fouling out with zero points? He better have the flu.


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[shaunguth]

71-56, 1:04

[C0|db|00ded]

Just left the Doggie board.

Hysteria has been redefined.

Examples:

"Bench GodShaw."

"Bench entire starting 5, including Falker, and start all freshmen."

"Falker has done nothing in this game."

I'm glad I never visit Valley boards. I would simply have too much ammunition and the challenge (if there ever was one) would be gone forever.


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[shaunguth]

71-56, FINAL

[MoValley John]

Salukis give up 70?!!!! Question for Dawgiestyle, was it fatigue?

[shaunguth]

"POY": 0-3 from the field, 0 points, 5 rebounds, 5 fouls

[C0|db|00ded]

Gametracker showed an animation of Bone taking a jumper from about one foot and it bricking all the way out to the 3-point line. :lol: While the animations aren't accurate I though it was amusingly illustrative of the Saluki's shooting woes. :no:


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[Ricky Del Rio]

"POY": 0-3 from the field, 0 points, 5 rebounds, 5 fouls


How many free throw air balls did he have?

[shaunguth]

71-56, FINAL

75-66, FINAL

ESPN had the final score listed as 71-56

[WSUbballer]

The lack of offense is expected.

Now, the Uglies have given up 70, 64 and 75 points respectively over their last 3 games. Now, they can't even rely on their defense to bail 'em out.

I wonder if dakyne and the rest of the "believers" still think SIU are the favorites this year... You can count me.. out.

[MoValley John]

These losses are mounting and I don't see a change in momentum. Is this just early season adjusting or is it more that the SIU system has been scouted and opposing coaches finally have "Broken the code?"

[AE Braves Fan]

When the Yahoo feed was working, I saw Coley play some good defense on Falker while he was on him.

At one point Coley had a monster block that went 5-7 rows into the stands. Can't remember who shot it for SIU.

The cameraman for the internet feed was awful. Zoomed in and out waaaaaaay too much. He would zoom in on the PGs at the top of the key and you couldn't see what was going on down low unless the ball went there.

SIU looked terrible on both sides of the court. While it is bad for the valley, it stings less because it's SIU. :)

:braves:

[C0|db|00ded]

These losses are mounting and I don't see a change in momentum. Is this just early season adjusting or is it more that the SIU system has been scouted and opposing coaches finally have "Broken the code?"


I can only pray that is true MVJ. It would be a long, painful process for SIU-C fans but the college basketball world would be a better place without UglyBallTM. *wakes up*


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[shaunguth]

When the Yahoo feed was working, I saw Coley play some good defense on Falker while he was on him.

At one point Coley had a monster block that went 5-7 rows into the stands. Can't remember who shot it for SIU.

The cameraman for the internet feed was awful. Zoomed in and out waaaaaaay too much. He would zoom in on the PGs at the top of the key and you couldn't see what was going on down low unless the ball went there.

SIU looked terrible on both sides of the court. While it is bad for the valley, it stings less because it's SIU. :)
:braves:

Well said!

[WSUbballer]

These losses are mounting and I don't see a change in momentum. Is this just early season adjusting or is it more that the SIU system has been scouted and opposing coaches finally have "Broken the code?"

I think it's a combination of both and add in the fact that SIU was badly overrated to start the year.

Anyone catch what defense Charlotte was throwing at 'em? I bet it started with a "z".

The Ugs have been exposed. Play this "z" defense and you increase your chances of winning the game by about 80%.

[WSUbballer]

SIU looked terrible on both sides of the court. While it is bad for the valley, it stings less because it's SIU. :)

Aaaamen.

[shaunguth]

Anyone know what the official score was? ESPN and CBS both have 71-56, but Yahoo has 75-66.

[WSUbballer]

Anyone know what the official score was? ESPN and CBS both have 71-56, but Yahoo has 75-66.

I'd go with CBS and ESPN.

There's no way in hell SIU could break 60.

[shockball]

71-56 on SI.

Someone could go to Salukie talk and ask.

[shaunguth]

"POY": 21 minutes...0-3 FG...0-0 FT...5 REB...0 AST...5 PF...0 POINTS

[C0|db|00ded]

It is disappointing that not a single SIU-C fan has chimed in since the game ended. Did all the SIU-C fans travel to Charlotte to watch the game? :no:


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[Divergence]

It is disappointing that not a single SIU-C fan has chimed in since the game ended. Did all the SIU-C fans travel to Charlotte to watch the game? :no:


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I believe the Abyss has opened up and swallowed them.....

Don't fear Elgin has a expedition from NASA looking for SIU-C. Here is a screenshot from the Abyscam.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0308/abyss_amanda.jpg

[barkeep1967]

Well it's nice to see all the *******es piling on.

Tough stretch right now and SIU is having some trouble. Funny thing is the three teams that have beat them are better than anybody they will see in the Valley this year. A couple years ago it was bad losses to bad teams. This year it is bad losses to good teams. Keep hoping SIU is going away though. If you say it for long enough it will have to come true sooner or later.

[MoValley John]

Ummmmm, you guys might want to take it a little easy, they could be back. They have yet to forget the abyss of years back, and I'm sure a few of them file crap away about as good as iSASO (I said about as good, not better). Sure, their big heads have been popped like a big, ripe zit, but a few wins strung together and this could all come back to haunt you. And except for Cold, who went AWOL after the Shox collapse last year, most of you are pretty reasonable people, who don't want to do the same disappearing act.

[MoValley John]

By the way, I tried to warn SIU fans of this. Back before the season started, I tried to say that they were starting to get a little over the top in their posts, but noooooooooooo!!!!!!!! Every Saluki defended what was being posted as reasonable and balanced. Heck, you almost thought that they were Fox reporters.

And while I don't condone the piling on...... Told you so.

[C0|db|00ded]

Ummmmm, you guys might want to take it a little easy, they could be back. They have yet to forget the abyss of years back, and I'm sure a few of them file crap away about as good as iSASO (I said about as good, not better). Sure, their big heads have been popped like a big, ripe zit, but a few wins strung together and this could all come back to haunt you. And except for Cold, who went AWOL after the Shox collapse last year, most of you are pretty reasonable people, who don't want to do the same disappearing act.

who went AWOL after the Shox collapse last year

Liar.

Somebody tried to nail me with that last year and I smoked them like a cheap cigar with data contradicting their accusation.


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[MoValley John]

Liar.

Somebody tried to nail me with that last year and I smoked them like a cheap cigar with data contradicting their accusation.


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No you didn't. You tried to come back with some crap, then claimed that you were "Retired."

[MoValley John]

For the record, I'm glad Cold is back. He is fun and makes the board worth reading.

[C0|db|00ded]

No you didn't. You tried to come back with some crap, then claimed that you were "Retired."

My posting dies off after the season ends. It was not dead during the season or LONG after the collapse. You are getting your timeline confused. As I said somebody tried to accuse me of this and while I will certainly not dig up the facts again, anybody who remembers that event will be able to relay it to you. My posts-per-day did not decline after we starting sucking. Now after the season was over I was quite scarce.

P.S. I have been retired for some time now... :)


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[MoValley John]

Do you by chance, work in advertising? I know a firm that could use a guy like you.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

And don't forget the Doggies' most favorite line, "The road to the championship goes through Carbondale."

It just might be going through Des Moines.

Knock it off. You're going to ruin our karma.

[Ricky Del Rio]

These losses are mounting and I don't see a change in momentum. Is this just early season adjusting or is it more that the SIU system has been scouted and opposing coaches finally have "Broken the code?"


Maybe all of the above.

I have never been convinced that Coach Lowry can recruit well. We will see.

His success over the past 3 years have been with the star recruits of past coaches.

Even though Falker is a good player in the post, the Doggies have zero other big men, who can dominate. I do not see any help on the horizon either.

To his credit, Coach Lowry has found a way to win at a high level with only a 6-7 post player.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Well it's nice to see all the *******es piling on.

Tough stretch right now and SIU is having some trouble. Funny thing is the three teams that have beat them are better than anybody they will see in the Valley this year. A couple years ago it was bad losses to bad teams. This year it is bad losses to good teams. Keep hoping SIU is going away though. If you say it for long enough it will have to come true sooner or later.

You sound a little shrill.

[Nyghtewynd]

It's official. The single tourney bid will go to the conference tournament winner. SIU has gone from the top-25 to virtually no shot to get an at-large in one week, and I can't even call them the favorite any more. When you can't score and you can't defend, you ain't winning many games.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Knock it off. You're going to ruin our karma.

Can you imagine the Doggie humiliation, if the golden brick road goes through Des Moines rather than Carbondale?

"Gee willikers!" as my ex-wife might exclaim.

[C0|db|00ded]

Do you by chance, work in advertising? I know a firm that could use a guy like you.

Why? Does this firm need to bolster up their "truth in advertising" strategies? :innocent:


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[C0|db|00ded]

P.S.

Royal just pointed out that Charlotte got beat by Monmouth which beat us... :no::lol::no:


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[Ricky Del Rio]

It's official. The single tourney bid will go to the conference tournament winner. SIU has gone from the top-25 to virtually no shot to get an at-large in one week, and I can't even call them the favorite any more. When you can't score and you can't defend, you ain't winning many games.

Have the Doggies' stock fallen so far that they will be playing on Thursday in the Mo Vallely post season tournament?

Just wondering.

[MoValley John]

Maybe all of the above.

I have never been convinced that Coach Lowry can recruit well. We will see.

His success over the past 3 years have been with the star recruits of past coaches.

Even though Falker is a good player in the post, the Doggies have zero other big men, who can dominate. I do not see any help on the horizon either.

To his credit, Coach Lowry has found a way to win at a high level with only a 6-7 post player.

I saw the Salukis in person once last year and on tv several times. Back then I posted that I thought the best approach to their defense was to attack, to drive and dish and turn the guards hand checks into actual fouls. I didn't see many Valley teams that had the tenacity to try dribble penetration on Tatum and Young. Teams passed the ball around the perimeter and hoped for an open man, while SIU turned the permeter passing and forced entry passes into turnovers.

When they played Creighton in St Louis, that is exactly what Creighton did, and they beat up on the Salukis. And without Tatum and Young, watching both the USC and Indiana game, that happened again. I couldn't get the radio feed, so I don't know what happened tonight.

What I do know that is different this year, is their offense is horrid. Last year, the Salukis didn't score many points, but they were, as many Saluki posters reminded us, very efficient- they turned long possessions into points, shortened the game and won.

I may be all wrong on this, but in my opinion, if teams drive on their guards, teams will get the calls and force SIU to back off. Combine that with SIU's inability to score points and maybe the nut has been cracked.

[MoValley John]

Why? Does this firm need to bolster up their "truth in advertising" strategies? :innocent:


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Nope, they actually need a couple crafty individuals to work on the PR side of the business. They need people that can easily twist words and make a landfill sound like a rose garden. I think if you have some experience, would be willing to relocate to Omaha and accept a high paying job, you could be their man.

[goaces]

I felt going into this year SIU would start off slower than what many of their fans expected. Can't lose a Tatum and Young and expect to rebound quickly.
The Salukis will be fine. They'll make the adjustments and be okay.

[gosalukie]

Not much to say other than the dawgs were overated.......but it wasn't just the kool-aid drinkers, we don't get to vote in the Valley preseason poll.

Tatum and Young were a big loss but with the players SIU had coming back I certainly didn't think they would struggle like this. The frustration on offense may be affecting thier play on "D" as well but this wasn't a problem in the past so not sure why it would be now.

[dawg]

Charlotte leads 32-20.

dawg.. where are ya? You aren't playing the fair-weather mofo card again, are ya? Poor fella..


I was too drunk from the football game to watch, sounds like that was a blessing. Damn post-drunk munchies ...

[Dawg_tired]

SIU...Sucking In Unison.

[tmmroy]

Guys, SIU has easily played the toughest non-conference schedule of any team in the Valley (with the possible exception of the Jays) and even though they lost a few, and yeah, they've been pains for a couple of years, you have to give 'em credit. They're part of the reason we'd been getting more teams to the dance, so for the last time STOP BASHING VALLEY TEAMS UNTIL YOU PLAY THEM YOU SHATS!!!
:valley::valley::valley:

[Cdizzle]

Guys, SIU has easily played the toughest non-conference schedule of any team in the Valley (with the possible exception of the Jays) and even though they lost a few, and yeah, they've been pains for a couple of years, you have to give 'em credit. They're part of the reason we'd been getting more teams to the dance, so for the last time STOP BASHING VALLEY TEAMS UNTIL YOU PLAY THEM YOU SHATS!!!
:valley::valley::valley:

They also have the same number of wins as Evansville.

[Aargh]

Well it's nice to see all the *******es piling on.

Tough stretch right now and SIU is having some trouble. Funny thing is the three teams that have beat them are better than anybody they will see in the Valley this year. A couple years ago it was bad losses to bad teams. This year it is bad losses to good teams. Keep hoping SIU is going away though. If you say it for long enough it will have to come true sooner or later.

Monmouth beat Charlotte. So, Monmouth is better than Charlotte - and Charlotte is better than anybody SIU will see in the Valley this year.

That loss WSU had to Monmouth should put WSU in 2nd place in the Valley right behind SIU - right?

[MSNSaluki]

I mean all we've heard BEFORE the games started was how SIU is the flagship of the Valley this and every other year, they do not have "down" years, they are not a mid-major program, and they already had an ncaa bid all but wrapped up in November.

I have to be a dick for one second here ... READ MY SIGNATURE! SIU, at the moment, is the flagship program of the Valley, we haven't had down years lately, our record during that span is more major than mid-major and, yes, given our success of the last six years we were pretty confident heading into this season. YOU CAN'T ARGUE THE FACTS IN MY SIGNATURE!.:salukis:

Now that I'm out of dick mode, I'm going to post something I thought I never would ... I'm starting to believe COLD has us down pat. We've recruited a bunch of athletes and tried to make them offensive players and it simply hasn't worked. For the third straight year we're horrible offensively but this year, our schedule is making us pay.

We've been last in the Valley the past two years in scoring and I'm positive we're headed for a three-peat. COLD is right ... we've found a way to trick the game.

Can we still go to the NCAA tournament this year? Of course. Can we still win the Valley? Of course.

But I've seen nothing this year that makes me think we've evolved into anything other than a novelty act.

[Phantom]

Guys, SIU has easily played the toughest non-conference schedule of any team in the Valley (with the possible exception of the Jays)

Not sure I agree there. SIU has a good sched for sure, but I would say that BU's is better than CU's.

[Fraydog]

I saw the Salukis in person once last year and on tv several times. Back then I posted that I thought the best approach to their defense was to attack, to drive and dish and turn the guards hand checks into actual fouls. I didn't see many Valley teams that had the tenacity to try dribble penetration on Tatum and Young. Teams passed the ball around the perimeter and hoped for an open man, while SIU turned the permeter passing and forced entry passes into turnovers.

When they played Creighton in St Louis, that is exactly what Creighton did, and they beat up on the Salukis. And without Tatum and Young, watching both the USC and Indiana game, that happened again. I couldn't get the radio feed, so I don't know what happened tonight.

What I do know that is different this year, is their offense is horrid. Last year, the Salukis didn't score many points, but they were, as many Saluki posters reminded us, very efficient- they turned long possessions into points, shortened the game and won.

I may be all wrong on this, but in my opinion, if teams drive on their guards, teams will get the calls and force SIU to back off. Combine that with SIU's inability to score points and maybe the nut has been cracked.

I'd say your scouting report is right on. See my signature now if you want to know how I feel about this game.

I'll come on here and take the crow, I was on SalukiTalk most of the off-season talking about how we were a lock to the Sweet 16. Now we may be NIT bound if we're lucky. I'm actually more in meltdown over the football loss. Think Denny Green "we let them off the hook." http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u69/fraydog/crying.gif

[Fraydog]

Nope, they actually need a couple crafty individuals to work on the PR side of the business. They need people that can easily twist words and make a landfill sound like a rose garden. I think if you have some experience, would be willing to relocate to Omaha and accept a high paying job, you could be their man.

Now to see Omaha, NE on Cold's location line, would be priceless. :yes:

[Divergence]

I have to be a dick for one second here ... READ MY SIGNATURE! SIU, at the moment, is the flagship program of the Valley,

BREAKING NOOOZ, Pictures of the the MVC Flagship

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/gifs/Pendleton_Sinking_Ship.jpg

[shockball]

That would be quite the welcome wagon. D-Day would pale in comparison. Take the job.

[Ricky Del Rio]

This morning, I was reading the sports section and minding my own business.

I merely glanced at the Men's Basketball standing in the MVC, but my eyes soon became riveted. Nestled neatly between Indiana State and Evansville were the Doggies. Were my eyes deceiving me?

I knew there was a type setting error or maybe just a plain ole computer error. I called the newpaper, but all the phones are off the hook or somethin'.

Will someone please provide the accurate standing for the Doggies?

Thank you.

[Saluki762]

Have the Doggies' stock fallen so far that they will be playing on Thursday in the Mo Vallely post season tournament?

Just wondering.

No way this happens. We may not make the tourney this year but no way we play on Thursday in STL. I will back this up. I live in STL. Anyone who wants to make a friendly wager should PM me. Keep it simple like a beer at Arch Madness but I will take it from anyone who wants to make it.

That said, we have looked pretty bad this year but have not fallen to the bottom yet.

[JJClamdip]

Team MVC All
Drake 0-0 8-1
Northern Iowa 0-0 6-2
Bradley 0-0 6-3
Illinois St. 0-0 6-3
Creighton 0-0 5-1
Missouri State 0-0 5-2
Wichita St. 0-0 5-3
Indiana State 0-0 4-4
Southern Illinois 0-0 3-3
Evansville 0-0 3-4

[DoubleJayAlum]

I saw the Salukis in person once last year and on tv several times. Back then I posted that I thought the best approach to their defense was to attack, to drive and dish and turn the guards hand checks into actual fouls. I didn't see many Valley teams that had the tenacity to try dribble penetration on Tatum and Young. Teams passed the ball around the perimeter and hoped for an open man, while SIU turned the permeter passing and forced entry passes into turnovers.

When they played Creighton in St Louis, that is exactly what Creighton did, and they beat up on the Salukis. And without Tatum and Young, watching both the USC and Indiana game, that happened again. I couldn't get the radio feed, so I don't know what happened tonight.

What I do know that is different this year, is their offense is horrid. Last year, the Salukis didn't score many points, but they were, as many Saluki posters reminded us, very efficient- they turned long possessions into points, shortened the game and won.

I may be all wrong on this, but in my opinion, if teams drive on their guards, teams will get the calls and force SIU to back off. Combine that with SIU's inability to score points and maybe the nut has been cracked.

I agree with this breakdown and I've said the same thing. I will add though, that in the past, turning those handchecks into fouls was a riskier proposition. Young, who I've always contended was the league's dirtiest player, was likely to put a finger in your eye or a forearm shiver across your head if you went right at them. Alas, many players were too intimidated to give it a shot.

Frankly, the lack of physical play this year is the biggest difference between past year's SIU team and this one. So far this year, opponents haven't felt the least bit of fear. The intimidation factor was always an important part of the SIu defense. It also lead to breakdowns on the other side of the ball for opponents because they were psychologically worn down.

[shaunguth]

Team MVC All
Drake 0-0 8-1
Northern Iowa 0-0 6-2
Bradley 0-0 6-3
Illinois St. 0-0 6-3
Creighton 0-0 5-1
Missouri State 0-0 5-2
Wichita St. 0-0 5-3
Indiana State 0-0 4-4
Southern Illinois 0-0 3-3
Evansville 0-0 3-4

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy seeing Bradley that high, but how is 6-3 a better record than 5-1 and 5-2? That said....it's kinda nice seeing the mighty Salukis at the bottom.

[Saluki762]

:lol: W-L W-L RPI SOS RPI SOS
Creighton 5-1 0-0 25 85 25 93
Missouri St. 4-2 0-0 39 57 41 65
Drake 5-1 0-0 47 131 48 135
Southern Illinois 3-2 0-0 92 60 95 68
Bradley 6-3 0-0 107 143 109 143
Wichita St. 5-3 0-0 109 100 111 106
Northern Iowa 6-2 0-0 128 224 129 227
Illinois St. 4-3 0-0 141 113 142 118
Indiana St. 2-4 0-0 170 81 171 86
Evansville 2-4 0-0 287 274 287 276

I know RPI is still worthless but SOS is not Sure SIU has 3 losses but come on. We have still played the best schedule in the Valley. Sure our losses have looked bad but if we had played Drake's schedule we would be 7-2 at worst. I may have to eat crow when conference season starts but SIU will not play on Thursday....Book it.

[bleach]

Missouri State has the BEST schedule.

[Saluki762]

Missouri State has the BEST schedule.

my bad

[WSUbballer]

:lol: W-L W-L RPI SOS RPI SOS
Creighton 5-1 0-0 25 85 25 93
Missouri St. 4-2 0-0 39 57 41 65
Drake 5-1 0-0 47 131 48 135
Southern Illinois 3-2 0-0 92 60 95 68
Bradley 6-3 0-0 107 143 109 143
Wichita St. 5-3 0-0 109 100 111 106
Northern Iowa 6-2 0-0 128 224 129 227
Illinois St. 4-3 0-0 141 113 142 118
Indiana St. 2-4 0-0 170 81 171 86
Evansville 2-4 0-0 287 274 287 276

I know RPI is still worthless but SOS is not Sure SIU has 3 losses but come on. We have still played the best schedule in the Valley. Sure our losses have looked bad but if we had played Drake's schedule we would be 7-2 at worst. I may have to eat crow when conference season starts but SIU will not play on Thursday....Book it.

FYI. Those standings and numbers are not accurate as of last night. Just sayin.

[Dawg_tired]

I agree whole heartedly that Drake's schedule has been weak. Funny, we beat a Big 12 team by 35 and our RPI goes down. These last two teams were bad as well. We're still a ninth place team. See you Thursday.

[txsaluki05]

I have to be a dick for one second here ... READ MY SIGNATURE! SIU, at the moment, is the flagship program of the Valley, we haven't had down years lately, our record during that span is more major than mid-major and, yes, given our success of the last six years we were pretty confident heading into this season. YOU CAN'T ARGUE THE FACTS IN MY SIGNATURE!.:salukis:

Now that I'm out of dick mode, I'm going to post something I thought I never would ... I'm starting to believe COLD has us down pat. We've recruited a bunch of athletes and tried to make them offensive players and it simply hasn't worked. For the third straight year we're horrible offensively but this year, our schedule is making us pay.

We've been last in the Valley the past two years in scoring and I'm positive we're headed for a three-peat. COLD is right ... we've found a way to trick the game.

Can we still go to the NCAA tournament this year? Of course. Can we still win the Valley? Of course.

But I've seen nothing this year that makes me think we've evolved into anything other than a novelty act.

No, he's not right. You think we recruited Josh Bone for his awesome defensive abilities? We've got the offensive talent to be damn good this year; someone just has to step up and lead this team. W/out Tatum and TY we're extremely inexperienced at guard, and it's showing. I knew Charlotte would be a tough game, but I didn't think we'd lose like that (and shoot THAT poorly again). This could be a really rough roadtrip, although I think for the long-term it will be great for the Bones, Woods, Clemmons, etc.

I'm still confidant the Salukis will win the Valley this year.

:salukis::valley:

[DawgFan]

Since it was a one game road trip, it was really rough and you can put that in permanent marker. Holy cow guys, obsession noted.

Dawgs are not good right now and they have a lot of work to do. Whole league is down and SIU is right there with 'em. Can't feel sorry about things and major improvements needed. Gonna be tough for SIU, the schedule is very difficult and it keeps coming at them. St Mary's on Tuesday is next.

[Aegyptus]

I too was crying over the Football loss (HORRID) so didn't catch much of the game. Just a little at the beginning.

It is hard to remain positive on this bunch, but I am going to try to. You go by player by player and everyone needs to play better. But, player by player everyone pretty much as the talent to play better (except for a couple like Boyle). Shaw I am undecided on. At this point, it may be a lack of ability. Shaw has always had the will, but asking him to be anything more than the 4th best player on the team may be too much. We need to forget about him as a primary scoring option and realize he is just not capable of being that player.

But, other than Shaw, I still can't get down on this team. The ability is there I just don't think Lowrey is making the right adjustments. We continue to run a motion offense which generates outside shots, but we don't have players on the floor to hit those shots. The players we have on the floor most of the time are built for an inside game but we can't get the ball down there on 3/4 of our trips down the floor.

Also, normally, our defense will generate 20+ points from turnovers. But, I am not sure our defenders are athletes enough to get those points where Young and Tatum did and are more likely to pull it back and run of offense. They have to go for those turnover points even if they are fouled.

Anyway, there are a hundred things you could fault, but the simple fact is that they need to play better and Lowrey needs to earn his pay and get the most out of these kids. I am still confident that he can do that and we can have another successful season.

[WSUbballer]

I'm surprised All-American Mullins hasn't stepped up in place of the absence of some of the Saluki no-shows.

[Aegyptus]

I'm surprised All-American Mullins hasn't stepped up in place of the absence of some of the Saluki no-shows.

Me too, actually. I am disappointed with Mullins. He has been doing his share and is still doing his job well, but I really thought he would step up and take a lead scoring role after seeing everyone else struggle. So far he hasn't. I expected more from him, but I am still not so sure he is off the leash from Lowrey. Anyway, yes, Mullins, like everyone else, need to improve.

[C0|db|00ded]

I have to be a dick for one second here ... READ MY SIGNATURE! SIU, at the moment, is the flagship program of the Valley, we haven't had down years lately, our record during that span is more major than mid-major and, yes, given our success of the last six years we were pretty confident heading into this season. YOU CAN'T ARGUE THE FACTS IN MY SIGNATURE!.:salukis:

Now that I'm out of dick mode, I'm going to post something I thought I never would ... I'm starting to believe COLD has us down pat. We've recruited a bunch of athletes and tried to make them offensive players and it simply hasn't worked. For the third straight year we're horrible offensively but this year, our schedule is making us pay.

We've been last in the Valley the past two years in scoring and I'm positive we're headed for a three-peat. COLD is right ... we've found a way to trick the game.

Can we still go to the NCAA tournament this year? Of course. Can we still win the Valley? Of course.

But I've seen nothing this year that makes me think we've evolved into anything other than a novelty act.

What's done is done. The architects of the system now in place were wise in implementing it. UglyballTM brought wins to a program with very little tradition and created tradition, literally over night. It was ingenious in that it didn't matter too much in who was on the floor but how they acted once they got out there. Now if the Saluki Nation were smart, they would use the wins and any national respect they have earned to transform SIU-C into a basketball school with a different kind of recruit and a different kind of philosophy (more like the rest of the nation). I don't know if Lowery has the chops to do this though. All he has proven he knows is to maintain (kinda)what was put in place before him.

Time will tell but my prediction is that there isn't a chance in hell that Lowery chances philosophies because it is hard as hell for a team to get to the Sweet Sixteen much less twice in recent history with the budget and backing that SIU-C has. Yes, their style is gimmicky and nauseating to.. well.. ME but it gives them a winning season year in and year out. Lowery isn't going to "look a gift-horse in the mouth" so I predict that he will ride this ugly train wherever it takes him...


T


...:cool:

[tmmroy]

Missouri State has the BEST schedule.

Erg... not so much... I have to agree with Phantom

Not sure I agree there. SIU has a good sched for sure, but I would say that BU's is better than CU's.

Or at least say it's close, but MSU hasn't played, nor will they play a top 25 team, MSU will play UTPA, the only team I recognized on their schedule, but I only recognized them because Drake had just finished beating on them to the tune of 28 points, and there's just no way in hell that MSU has a better schedule then SIU played, since they have not played nor will the play two top 25 teams, plus St. Mary's which might be a third before they're done with their season.

If my argument is less than coherent I'm posting this at midnight, and it can be followed... more or less, so deal with it.

[dogdays]

Might this be the year that SIU faulters? Maybe....but there are some big ifs....
Right now they are looking for someone to take Tatums role...someone to go get a shot when they need it...is that Bone? Is it Clemmons time will tell...if no one steps up then it could be a long season.

Secondly, though the defense may be as good early as anytime in the past several years, its not as good as it was at the end of last year and the competition so far this fall has been superior....that will improve for sure but again, who will step into Tatum and Ty's shoes?

By the time Dec 30th rolls around SIU will have most likely played 4 top 25 teams....USC,IU,St Marys and Butler...and thats not including Western Ky ..no one will have played that tough of competion going into Valley play...will it make them stronger, or beat them down..my guess is that they will be stronger...

SIU's depth is suspect because Cornelius and Armstrong have been unable to contribute for a variety of reasons and Green is a liabilty on offense. Mullins,Shaw and Falker will have to play more minutes than you would like because of this...

So, thats the ifs and the negatives...

The positives are that SIU has three veterans back...they know how to win...they will not quit...they play the best Defense in the league, they have the best home court advantage in the league ...Falker may be the best big man in the league , Mullins is one of the top two or three pt guards in the league and Shaw is as good a swing man as there is...all positives...

SIU is a wounded dog right now....will they heal and rise again or will they falter...time will tell but those who are writing them off at this point might be a little more cautious....its a long year...and the Salukis track record speaks for itself..

[Brave2001]

Now that I'm out of dick mode, I'm going to post something I thought I never would ... I'm starting to believe COLD has us down pat. We've recruited a bunch of athletes and tried to make them offensive players and it simply hasn't worked. For the third straight year we're horrible offensively but this year, our schedule is making us pay.

We've been last in the Valley the past two years in scoring and I'm positive we're headed for a three-peat. COLD is right ... we've found a way to trick the game.

Welcome to Bradley Basketball circa the 1990s (or better known as MO ball). We always had great athletes, year in and year out in the valley. We were always great on defense, but couldn't put the ball in the hoop if you paid us. I really feel for you guys if that is where this is headed. That was the most frustrating basketball on earth to watch. To know you had huge amounts of athletic ability, but were unable to convert that into points.

[XSaluki]

This thread is a keeper.:yes:

[Dawg_tired]

You guys ought to be thinking about a coaching change. Looks like C-low has run out of previous coach hangover.

[newshock1234]

im starting to think its cursed to be the Preseason favorite to win the valley

[DawgFan]

Not a curse. The best team in the league almost always wins the league.

[Dawg_tired]

Unless the preseason best team really isn't the best team and it's only the team that everybody thinks is the best team because it was the best team last year and this year it's not nearly the best team because best teams can put the ball in the hoop and if you can't do that you're not the best team.

[WSUbballer]

Not a curse. The best team in the league almost always wins the league.

I know what you're trying to say, but he's making a point about preseason favorites, not actually what, quote, unquote, the "best" team is.

I can only remember the last 3 preseason picks for the Valley and the final results, but I know the trend has been happening for longer than that:

2006-07: Creighton, finished 2nd
2005-06: Southern Illinois, finished 2nd
2004-05: Wichita State, finished 2nd

[Dawg_tired]

Except this year the preseason pick is going to finish much lower than second.

[iSASO]

SIU plays football? Really?

SIU fans get drunk? Really?

This has been an enlightening week.

Can't say that anything else in this thread surprises me.

[Fraydog]

If I could get our Kool-Aid drinkers over here from Saluki Talk, this thread could be really, really fun. :salukis::lol::clap::banana:

You do realize that if SIU faulters, I'm adopting Drake as my backup plan for the rest of the year, right?

[MSNSaluki]

If I could get our Kool-Aid drinkers over here from Saluki Talk, this thread could be really, really fun. :salukis::lol::clap::banana:

You do realize that if SIU faulters, I'm adopting Drake as my backup plan for the rest of the year, right?

This thread+injection of indignant Saluki Talk Kool-Aid drinkers=mass chaos. Wait, there's already mass chaos on ST.:lol:

[Fraydog]

nm

[Ricky Del Rio]

I checked the rankings this morning. The Doggies are still getting votes.

Obviously, someone still loves them, even though Doggie fans have bailed out.

[DawgieStyle]

I checked the rankings this morning. The Doggies are still getting votes.

Obviously, someone still loves them, even though Doggie fans have bailed out.

I don't think most intelligent SIU fans have bailed out. We're dissapointed, that's true, but those of us who have a sense of history about SIU, know its too soon to bail out, I mean for crying out loud, the year we lost in Alaska, we still made the dance.

I could see SIU really struggling through the remainder of the non-conf. schedule, but once conference play starts, I think we'll start to see some wins accumulate. I'm not trying to rag on the valley, but except for Creighton, no one in the valley so far is as good as any of the teams we've lost to. Sorry, they just aren't.

Does that automatically mean SIU will cruise through the valley, no, obviously, SIU has some problems. But with a down valley, SIU will still contend for the league title in my opinion. My hope is that the tough non-conf. schedule will eventually pay off in preparing them for the conference season. We'll find out. Its sort of like the presidential election, not a lot of good contenders, but some one has to win.

Another note....it is strongly my opinion now that the Valley will only get 1 bid this year.

Second note, on SIU fans not being on the board much lately. Saturday was the semi final football game we lost. I think many SIU fans are just down right depressed right now and frankly don't want to talk about any SIU sports, whether it be football, basketball, or women's diving. That game stung pretty hard, so you might cut the saluki fans a little slack. I know most of you don't care about Div 1-AA football, but that doesn't mean the SIU fans don't.

[WSUbballer]

I don't think most intelligent SIU fans have bailed out. We're dissapointed, that's true, but those of us who have a sense of history about SIU, know its too soon to bail out, I mean for crying out loud, the year we lost in Alaska, we still made the dance.

You should've seen the bail out in 05 after the Monmouth/Anchorage funfest. This place was dead. I guess most Saluki fans are unintelligent then? ..

I could see SIU really struggling through the remainder of the non-conf. schedule, but once conference play starts, I think we'll start to see some wins accumulate. I'm not trying to rag on the valley, but except for Creighton, no one in the valley so far is as good as any of the teams we've lost to. Sorry, they just aren't.

Your point about the Valley being down is accurate. However, the manner in which SIU is losing in its OOC games is a little worrisome. One of the opponents was really strong, the others decent. SIU has been blown out of all 3 of em. They weren't competitive. That's what makes me think SIU doesn't necessarily get the green light in conference play yet.

Does that automatically mean SIU will cruise through the valley, no, obviously, SIU has some problems. But with a down valley, SIU will still contend for the league title in my opinion. My hope is that the tough non-conf. schedule will eventually pay off in preparing them for the conference season. We'll find out. Its sort of like the presidential election, not a lot of good contenders, but some one has to win.

SIU can still contend for the crown. But I'm not really buying the tough non-con argument. What's the point of having a tough non-con if you get blown out of every game in it? SIU continues to miss wide-open shots. If they can't hit wide-open shots against non-con teams, who's to say they will in conference games? They may get hot and make my theory obsolete, but for right now, they're are major question marks associated with the SIU offense. I personally think SIU has been exposed.

Another note....it is strongly my opinion now that the Valley will only get 1 bid this year.

Ehh.. possibly. The Valley still is the No.8 conference in the RPI. Every year since 1999 or 2000 or whatever, the conference regular season champion has made the NCAA's, regardless of what they did in the post-season tournament. We'll just have to see. I'd say a one-bid is more likely this year considering the number of marquee wins for the conference right now stands at zero.

Second note, on SIU fans not being on the board much lately. Saturday was the semi final football game we lost. I think many SIU fans are just down right depressed right now and frankly don't want to talk about any SIU sports, whether it be football, basketball, or women's diving. That game stung pretty hard, so you might cut the saluki fans a little slack. I know most of you don't care about Div 1-AA football, but that doesn't mean the SIU fans don't.

That's an excuse. Sorry for the losing doubleplay, but some SIU fans continue to ask for crap back into their face.. notably one.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

I could see SIU really struggling through the remainder of the non-conf. schedule, but once conference play starts, I think we'll start to see some wins accumulate. I'm not trying to rag on the valley, but except for Creighton, no one in the valley so far is as good as any of the teams we've lost to. Sorry, they just aren't.

Indiana and USC might be far better than anyone in the MVC, but not Charlotte. Here are Sagarin's ratings:

15 Indiana
31 Creighton
36 Southern California
55 Southern Illinois
57 Missouri State
58 Drake
77 Bradley
91 Northern Iowa
102 Wichita State
104 Illinois State
106 Charlotte

I know computer rankings aren't real accurate right now, but there's at least a grain of truth in them. 8 MVC teams (including SIU) are ranked higher than Charlotte, some a lot higher. Unless SIU improves a lot, it's fair to say that if they struggled at Charlotte, they're going to struggle at a lot of MVC teams.

You're right that the MVC is probably a one bid conference. Someone is going to need to win at least 14-15 MVC games to be an at-large candidate.

[DawgieStyle]

Indiana and USC might be far better than anyone in the MVC, but not Charlotte. Here are Sagarin's ratings:

15 Indiana
31 Creighton
36 Southern California
55 Southern Illinois
57 Missouri State
58 Drake
77 Bradley
91 Northern Iowa
102 Wichita State
104 Illinois State
106 Charlotte

I know computer rankings aren't real accurate right now, but there's at least a grain of truth in them. 8 MVC teams (including SIU) are ranked higher than Charlotte, some a lot higher. Unless SIU improves a lot, it's fair to say that if they struggled at Charlotte, they're going to struggle at a lot of MVC teams.

You're right that the MVC is probably a one bid conference. Someone is going to need to win at least 14-15 MVC games to be an at-large candidate.

and how bogus is that poll, if SIU, the team you are all saying is dead in the water is 2nd highest valley team listed.....

there is a saying about stats....i'll let you figure it out.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

and how bogus is that poll, if SIU, the team you are all saying is dead in the water is 2nd highest valley team listed.....

there is a saying about stats....i'll let you figure it out.

I didn't say SIU is dead in the water. I just said Charlotte (with a loss to Monmouth) isn't better than everyone else in the MVC outside of CU.

[DawgieStyle]

I didn't say SIU is dead in the water. I just said Charlotte (with a loss to Monmouth) isn't better than everyone else in the MVC outside of CU.

and according to your post, you are basing that off computer numbers. which any moron can manipulate stats to get the desired result they want. Ever wonder why there are soooooo many different types of college hoops polls and numbers?

You can use your computer numbers, and I'll use what I actually see in games...Charloette's as good or better than everyone in the valley, except possibly CU.

[Fraydog]

DawgieStyle, can you let it rest for once? :doh::clap:

Sure it beats going to SalukiTalk right now with the complete and total implosion that is going on there, but I doubt you are correct with the computer rankings statements. If you think it is so easy, why don't you try it? :nopity:

[Mecha_Bulldog]

and according to your post, you are basing that off computer numbers. which any moron can manipulate stats to get the desired result they want. Ever wonder why there are soooooo many different types of college hoops polls and numbers?

You can use your computer numbers, and I'll use what I actually see in games...Charloette's as good or better than everyone in the valley, except possibly CU.

Charlotte lost to Monmouth. Remember what we think about teams that lose to Monmouth? Charlotte has beaten one team that has a winning D1 record right now, and that's a bad Wake Forest team that's beaten up on cupcakes. I'm not saying Charlotte is a bad team. They look like at least a potential NIT team right now. I just don't think they're that much better than the rest of the MVC. They're certainly not 15 points better.

[DawgieStyle]

DawgieStyle, can you let it rest for once? :doh::clap:

Sure it beats going to SalukiTalk right now with the complete and total implosion that is going on there, but I doubt you are correct with the computer rankings statements. If you think it is so easy, why don't you try it? :nopity:

dude, blow me....who made you the self appointed judge and executioner of all SIU posters? You come on here only when other SIU posters have said something to offend you, only so you can tell them how wrong they are or to stop being stupid.

I'm tired of it. Your self arrogance and your god of saluki posters vibe on Valley talk. ohhh. you were moderator once, big freaking deal. Just because you were moderator doesn't make you intelligent or god father of SIU posters.

I'm entitled to my opinion, and i'm going to continue to share it. If you don't agree with, that's one thing, but I'm not going to stop posting, simply becase the self appointed god father of SIU poster on VT wishes it.

At least i'm not drinking the kool-aid like some of our fellow posters. I agree we have issues, and im going to dicuss those issues whether you like it or not, self appointed king of SIU posters.

[MoValley John]

You guys are down from a footbal game???? You guys are freaking 1-AA or Div2 or whatever!!!! Nobody watches, nobody caews!!! It doesn't mean shat!!!

[DawgieStyle]

You guys are down from a footbal game???? You guys are freaking 1-AA or Div2 or whatever!!!! Nobody watches, nobody caews!!! It doesn't mean shat!!!

that was predictable.

[Divergence]

anybody got any butter for my popcorn?

[WSUbballer]

You can use your computer numbers, and I'll use what I actually see in games...Charloette's as good or better than everyone in the valley, except possibly CU.

Was the game on tv or did you go to Charlotte to watch the game?

I'm sorry but if you're basing the quality of Charlotte's team off of their dropping of SIU, then you are not accurate.

[MoValley John]

And to think that this is a Division 1 basketball forum, sheeeeeeeeeeesh.

[MoValley John]

By the way, welcome back Dawgie!

[MoValley John]

dude, blow me....who made you the self appointed judge and executioner of all SIU posters? You come on here only when other SIU posters have said something to offend you, only so you can tell them how wrong they are or to stop being stupid.

I'm tired of it. Your self arrogance and your god of saluki posters vibe on Valley talk. ohhh. you were moderator once, big freaking deal. Just because you were moderator doesn't make you intelligent or god father of SIU posters.

I'm entitled to my opinion, and i'm going to continue to share it. If you don't agree with, that's one thing, but I'm not going to stop posting, simply becase the self appointed god father of SIU poster on VT wishes it.

At least i'm not drinking the kool-aid like some of our fellow posters. I agree we have issues, and im going to dicuss those issues whether you like it or not, self appointed king of SIU posters.

Here Dawgie, try this:

http://www.rxpo.net/images/meds/p02304a6.jpg

[DUShock]

anybody got any butter for my popcorn?

Here ya go Airborne, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REo4WDmh8pw please pass the salt...

In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

[tBU]

anybody got any butter for my popcorn?


Dude, you got POPCORN.....I'm just enjoying this with no snacks at all.

[DawgieStyle]

fray, sorry man, im sick, grumpy, and tired...and pissed off about SIU in general. I didn't mean to go off on ya so bad.

Frankly, im about as tired of other SIU fans, as you are, who think things are just all hunky dory. I still think SIU can contend for the conference title, but I'm not above thinking they also could finish dead last at this point. It depends if they figure out how to make a freaking jump shot.

and don't even get me started on the play calling at the end of the football game...sheesh.

Just sick, grumpy and tired, and I apologize for taking it out on you.

MVJ, its nice to be back, just been busy, had friends down from Chicago visiting for the game.

that said, I'm with most of you right now, SIU sucks. but I have hope because of their past precedents, we'll see what happens.

as for Charloette, I Still think they are better than some of you are giving them credit for.

[Fraydog]

It's okay man. I'm just really tired of the bipolar nature and civil wars at ST. Can't people be level?

I don't want to seem like I'm Mr. High and Mighty here. Far from it. In fact, I'll keep that in mind to try to not act so pretentious. Everything should be cool now...

Normally I try to be above that kind of thing, but it's hard right now.

[Ricky Del Rio]

I didn't say SIU is dead in the water. I just said Charlotte (with a loss to Monmouth) isn't better than everyone else in the MVC outside of CU.

Hey! Y'all leave Monmouth alone. Monmouth kicked the dog poo out of my beloved Shockers.

[barkeep1967]

I'm surprised All-American Mullins hasn't stepped up in place of the absence of some of the Saluki no-shows.



Thanks for that one :lol:

[WSUbballer]

Thanks for that one :lol:

I thought you were taking a week off..

Fair weather going on out there?.. Weak..