SIU at SLU

[Saluki762]

Game is tomorrow. As a SLU Alum and lifelong Saluki fan it is my favorite game of the year.

SIU almost never plays well vs. SLU in STL but luckily this years SLU team has been even worse that SIU on the offensive end.

First team to 45 wins. Final score SIU wins 56-46.

:valley::salukis::salukis::valley:

[Aegyptus]

I don't want to be too optimistic, but this does not seem to be a contest to me. Majerus seems content to run SLU into the ground in order to build it back up later. I know SIU has problems in Saint Louis with SLU, but SLU does not really have an identity at the moment.

Even an off scoring night should get SIU the win in this one. But I would much prefer a good scoring night and blow them out. If Majerus doesn't care about winning, lets give him a solid loss.

[Saluki762]

I am leaving for Hooters in downtown STL in 15 minutes. Loading up on wings and beers to cheer the Dawgs on to victory.

:salukis::salukis::salukis::valley::valley::saluki s::salukis::salukis:

[Mecha_Bulldog]

I'm watching the Mich St-IPFW game before this one, and the announcers mention that Drake held Iowa to 0 free throws last night. :original:

This game should be a victory for SIU, but SIU also hasn't won a road game yet. Pick one up tonight. :salukis:

[Mecha_Bulldog]

ESPNU Analyst: "The Big Ten is gonna place teams in the NCAA Tournament."

Thanks for going out on a limb. That's why he makes the big bucks.

[Aegyptus]

ESPNU Analyst: "The Big Ten is gonna place teams in the NCAA Tournament."

Thanks for going out on a limb. That's why he makes the big bucks.


Yeah. Maybe 2-3 for the Big 10. Anymore than that is unjustified.

The SIU announcers are worried about the refs. Pretty much every trip down the A-10 refs have called fouls on SIU.

Its early, but 8-4 SLU.

[Aegyptus]

13-8 SLU. They are hot from the field and SIU is looking like they might have another cold shooting night.

The good news is that we are dominating down low, as their shooting cools, we should be able to exploit that, even though SLU has a 7 footer.

Need to get Clemmons in there to slow down their offense. I have no idea why Boyle continues to get minutes? He might be a nice kid and he sure plays hard, but there is a serious lack of talent there.

[Aegyptus]

Here is an article in the Saint Louis Post-Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/slu/story/C2493851B684F4B6862573B2000D8DBC?OpenDocument) claiming that SIU is SLU's main rival right now, ahead of anyone in the A-10.

Doesn't say anything about joining the Valley, but it is pretty bad when your main rival is outside your own conference and doesn't consider you their main rival. SIU already has a Catholic, city-based school that uses blue as its color.

[Nyghtewynd]

It sure isn't MSU. The Bears don't give SLU a second thought when they're not cheating.

[shockball]

SLU's 7' er runs the floor as well as I do.

[Aegyptus]

21-14 SIU. As long as SIU plays some decent defense, this game should not be a problem. SLU is one and done and taking some bad shots. Shaw is having a decent game tonight so far.

[Aegyptus]

24-23 SLU. A game of runs.

Little concerned with the shooting again tonight. SIU seems to dominate down low, but yet we are taking some outside shots. I don't know why they don't get Shaw back down there with Falker and just let those 2 go to town on their bigs.

Not too worried yet. SLU is a team that gets on runs. If we can limit their runs, over the course of the game, we should come out on top.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

SIU leads 51-48, 1:45 left.
:salukis:

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Tied at 51, 1min+ left.

SIU is giving up open outside looks, and SLU finally hit one.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

SLU hits two Ft's. SLU 53-51, :43 left. SIU ball.
:salukis:

[Mecha_Bulldog]

CHARGE ON MULLINS?!?:blink:

SLU ball, up 53-51. :23 left.

[shockball]

That charge on Mullins was bs!

[Aegyptus]

That fact this is even close is inexcusable. They have 2 excellent guards who can score at will, but our defense has to be better than that. That fact we gave SLU 50 points is ridiculous. Well, one step forward, two steps back.

Improving offensively, regressing defensively. They have to be able to stop runs from the opposition. The had SLU beaten in both halfs, but let them back in with runs at the end. Terrible.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Stupid SIU turnover. SLU ball, up 54-51, :12 left.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

That charge on Mullins was bs!

Yep. Mullins has had a bad final minute. He got whipped one-on-one defensively and had to foul. Then he commits the (bs) charge on the other end.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

SLU wins 56-51 :blink:

SLU scored at least the last 8 points.

[REALBird]

Yep. Mullins has had a bad final minute. He got whipped one-on-one defensively and had to foul. Then he commits the (bs) charge on the other end.


Nope, disagree. It was a bang bang play, but Lidell slid in position from my viewpoint. Something about going scoreless the last 4:25 of the game had something to do with this loss. SIU was also outscored 17-6 since the 8:40 mark after a Josh Bone 3 pointer.

Even the 3 Shaw hit to break the drought was a designed play after a timeout and several bad shots.

I think Lowrey could have managed the game a bit better and called a few timeouts to break the run late in the game, just as he did to set up the Shaw 3 pointer.

Can't take 'em with you.

[valleyclimber]

Is anyone else thinking the "king" of the MVC is just about officially dead in the water? Still can't believe how many posters on Valleytalk think SIU will magically get better and do serious damage in the Valley.

There's at least 6 different MVC teams that are playing better hoops right now. SLU is NOT good. That Charlotte team that SIU got crushed by recently ending up losing today to Hofstra...that kind of puts it into perspective.

Western Michigan is terrible too, but it'll be another road game for SIU, so you're rolling the dice. Have a feeling that this year's Salukis are going to run into some SERIOUS road troubles once they start the Valley schedule.

[Aegyptus]

Inexcusable. A lot of learning left to do.

Shaw needs to get back down with Falker. I know he had a good shooting night, but he cannot play the 3. He needs to play the 4.

Bone still has a lot, a lot, of learning left to do. He is certainly improving each night, but his inexperience on the floor is extremely costly at times.

I really have no idea why suddenly Mullins became the go-to guy at the end of the shot clock? He has one great night, but his role still needs to be the point. A scoring point, but clearly there was an effort made to move Mullins to the 2 at some points in this game. He is the best point guard in the league (or at least 2nd best) and to move him to the 2 makes no sense to me.

Boyle continues to get unjustified minutes. Why? I don't know. He must have caught Lowrey cheating on his wife or something.

Green and Fay the rest of the bench are atrocious. Can't score, can't defend. What's the point of even playing them?

Anyway, this is by far the worst loss of the season. Not a lot in that game that I really liked, to be honest. Pretty much everything was bad.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Nope, disagree. It was a bang bang play, but Lidell slid in position from my viewpoint.

Disagree about what? That the charge was bs, or Mullins had a bad couple series there?

I just watched it again on my DVR. It was closer than I first thought. Probably could've gone either way. Maybe SIU gets the call if they're at home. Regardless, Mullins had a bad couple series there.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Is anyone else thinking the "king" of the MVC is just about officially dead in the water? Still can't believe how many posters on Valleytalk think SIU will magically get better and do serious damage in the Valley.

There's at least 6 different MVC teams that are playing better hoops right now. SLU is NOT good. That Charlotte team that SIU got crushed by recently ending up losing today to Hofstra...that kind of puts it into perspective.

Western Michigan is terrible too, but it'll be another road game for SIU, so you're rolling the dice. Have a feeling that this year's Salukis are going to run into some SERIOUS road troubles once they start the Valley schedule.

Something about six straight NCAA tourney appearances makes it hard to think of SIU as anything but king of the MVC. It's getting hard to overlook these losses, though.

[Nyghtewynd]

Thinking, nothing. They're officially dead for at-large consideration. SLU is an awful team, and this loss puts them behind at least 4-5 other teams in the conference already. They're just not good at very many things. The genius coaching line may have come to an abrupt halt for the Ugly Dawgs.

[jaypharmalum]

Wow, didn't see this coming. I'm guessing (and could be wrong) that SIU's at large chances are shrinking by the moment.

MVC this year is going to be wide-open.

[Aces101]

Unfortunately, my prediction for this year is looking accurate. The MVC will be a 1-bid conference this year.....maybe 2 if a team gets real hot and wins the league title and loses in the valley tourney.

Long night for the Valley.......even my beloved Aces struggled to win over a DIII school, Hanover. They won the game by 13 points, but looked as if they didn't care.

[Fraydog]

Is it time to call abyss yet?

RDR, I'm going to ask for your consultation yet? I'm raising the question at SalukiTalk, and I'm sure there will be flack for it.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Is it time to call abyss yet?

RDR, I'm going to ask for your consultation yet? I'm raising the question at SalukiTalk, and I'm sure there will be flack for it.

Sorry, the abyss is all filled up with Shockers.

I predict the Shockers will be a play-in team.

I was snowed in and unable to see the UMKC. My consolation prize was to watch the SIU v. SLU game.

Both SIU and WSU leave a lot to be desired.

The Shockers should not be as bad as they are. As Coach Parcells likes to say, "You are what your record says you are."

[gosalukie]

Mullins is a very good point guard but he can't create his own shot consistently enough to be the go to guy........you have to have good guard play other than just the point and right now SIU doesn't have it. If Shaw is Southern's best player at the 3 and Bone the best at the 2 that sums it up right there. Shaw does need to be inside but it seems the alternative is worse.

Maybe it is time to start letting Brandon Wood play through his mistakes.....not a good time for him to be out with a stress fracture in his foot.

[C0|db|00ded]

Thinking, nothing. They're officially dead for at-large consideration. SLU is an awful team, and this loss puts them behind at least 4-5 other teams in the conference already. They're just not good at very many things. The genius coaching line may have come to an abrupt halt for the Ugly Dawgs.

The genius coaching line may have come to an abrupt halt for the Ugly Dawgs.

I predicted that a long time ago calling Lowery the biggest scam in college basketball. His wool blanket of security, carefully weaved by his predecessors, has unraveled and he is now freezing his tootsie off which has become exposed for all to see.


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[C0|db|00ded]

Is it time to call abyss yet?

RDR, I'm going to ask for your consultation yet? I'm raising the question at SalukiTalk, and I'm sure there will be flack for it.

I wouldn't mind going to the Abysss just to hide for a while. Will it make the pain stop? :banghead::banghead::banghead:


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[REALBird]

Disagree about what? That the charge was bs, or Mullins had a bad couple series there?

I just watched it again on my DVR. It was closer than I first thought. Probably could've gone either way. Maybe SIU gets the call if they're at home. Regardless, Mullins had a bad couple series there.

Agreed that Mullins had a couple of bad series, but the SIU offense late in the game was to run the clock down to 10 seconds, set a high screen and roll and look for Falker in the post. SLU defended the pick and roll well enough that Mullins had to go all the way to the basket. Like I said, the call was bang-bang and Mullins got called for the charge, which IMO was the right call. But you're right, at home it might have gone the other way for SIU.

Like I said in the previous post. SIU was in the midst of a major scoring drought, and when Lowrey called the TO to set up the Shaw 3 pointer he was managing the game well. Outside of that, he watched his team go scoreless down the last 4:25 and aside from the 4 minute time out, didn't do anything to break SLU's momentum. Didn't do anything to change up the defense even if the offense was stagnant.

Can't say Majerus outcoached him, more like he didn't coach enough in this situation. Maybe Tatum and Young could have orchestrated a basket, foul or something in this situation last year. But THESE are not last years Salukis.

The Valley is going to be a bloodbath. 1 bid, maybe 2 bids if a couple of teams get on a roll. I don't see any Valley team that will strike fear in another OOC team.

Also, SIU has to beware of going to W. Michigan. Illinois State got called for a ton of fouls in Eastern Michigan's arena. The MAC officiating leaves a lot to be desired, so don't be surprised to see a whistle happy crew up there.

[MoValley John]

I got online late... I am stunned. SLU?

[goaces]

It's unrealistic, and really just plain stupid, to believe SIU would roll into this season and expect to be the same type of dominant team they have been in the past. That just wasn't going to happen. The good news is that SIU does have a lot talent. It may take a while for it to come together, but I think it is reasonable to believe it will in time. Take heart SIU fans...it's more important on how you finish your seaon that how you start.

[Dawg_tired]

Holy shat sherlock!!!!SIU sucks.

[WSUbballer]

Very discouraging for Valley multiple bids.

Very promising for any Valley team to come in and take away the crown.

What is up with All-American Mullins? Can he play with any type of consistency or is he just consistently inconsistent?

[PurpleRedbird]

Good post over on Redbirdfan.com that "looks like Porter finally beat SIU".

:aces::redbirds:

[dawg]

Good post over on Redbirdfan.com that "looks like Porter finally beat SIU".

:aces::redbirds:


Now that is truly hilarious!

[SashaNein]

Dammit, I knew this was a dangerous game.

Almost every single year in Conference USA, Saint Louis would find some way to squeak out a win against Memphis in extremely ugly games, and it looks like they're still pulling that crap today.

[Mc Bulldog]

Please! SIU has a target on their back with all teams, espeically SLU. I'm not buying any "SIU has lost the MVC KING title." About a ton or more of season left. Don't fool yourself.

[pawball]

Post-Dispatch makin the Billies look like the Dawgs. Meyer did play very tough in Springburg against da Bears.

http://http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/slu/story/2A691EE5F06F78AF862573B300182BB6?OpenDocument (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/slu/story/2A691EE5F06F78AF862573B300182BB6?OpenDocument)

[Ricky Del Rio]

It's unrealistic, and really just plain stupid, to believe SIU would roll into this season and expect to be the same type of dominant team they have been in the past. That just wasn't going to happen. The good news is that SIU does have a lot talent. It may take a while for it to come together, but I think it is reasonable to believe it will in time. Take heart SIU fans...it's more important on how you finish your seaon that how you start.

Please describe the "lot of talent."

While you are at it, do the same for the Shockers.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Very discouraging for Valley multiple bids.

Very promising for any Valley team to come in and take away the crown.

What is up with All-American Mullins? Can he play with any type of consistency or is he just consistently inconsistent?

Here is the way I see what's up with Mullins.

From day one, he was over rated, which included being named to the all freshman team and all newcomers team, etc.

He is a linebacker, who happens to play point guard.

He is a very average shooter. He is a below average jumper. He cannot guard quick guards. He is not athletic.

His strongest assets are his hard play and getting the ball to the right man. Also, he is a rough, tough customer. A good man to have on your team.

Many times, I think he dribbles way too much at the top of the key. Perhaps it has more to do with the design of the offense than dalliance in starting the play or motion. Maybe it is part of the design to run the clock. I don't really know, but I do not like it.

He is crafty. It is amazing to me how he can go right up to the dividing line between a foul and no foul and avoid a foul. He is very clever and smart about fouls.

[txsaluki05]

Good post over on Redbirdfan.com that "looks like Porter finally beat SIU".

:aces::redbirds:

haha that's pretty good.

Horrendous game for SIU tonight. I agree with the other posts that our at-large chances are just about gone, however, I still think SIU will win the conference this year based on what I've seen from Southern and the rest of the conf.

We really need to get some offensive consistency; it will come at some point, hopefully sooner than later. Three more tough games at WMU, and home against WKU and Butler. We really need to win all three IMO.

As for Lowery being overrated/overpaid and the "beckoning of the Abyss", I just laugh. I think our 2008 recruiting class is enough of a response, let alone the success he's had on the court since he's started. SIU ain't goin anywhere, folks, as much as you'd like them to.

:salukis::valley:

[WSUbballer]

As for Lowery being overrated/overpaid and the "beckoning of the Abyss", I just laugh. I think our 2008 recruiting class is enough of a response, let alone the success he's had on the court since he's started. SIU ain't goin anywhere, folks, as much as you'd like them to.

For Saluki fans, I hope that 2008 recruiting class hype surpasses the hype that surrounded this year's team. After all the preseason razz and jazz that surrounded SIU this year and where they are now, I'd say they are going somewhere.. south, maybe..

[Aegyptus]

Here is the way I see what's up with Mullins.

From day one, he was over rated, which included being named to the all freshman team and all newcomers team, etc.

He is a linebacker, who happens to play point guard.

He is a very average shooter. He is a below average jumper. He cannot guard quick guards. He is not athletic.

His strongest assets are his hard play and getting the ball to the right man. Also, he is a rough, tough customer. A good man to have on your team.

Many times, I think he dribbles way too much at the top of the key. Perhaps it has more to do with the design of the offense than dalliance in starting the play or motion. Maybe it is part of the design to run the clock. I don't really know, but I do not like it.

He is crafty. It is amazing to me how he can go right up to the dividing line between a foul and no foul and avoid a foul. He is very clever and smart about fouls.

Wow. Odd comments about a Final Four quality point guard. Mullins is not the problem. He has been the brightest point on this whole team. To blame this on Mullins is way out of line. There is a lot of people to blame, but that list does not include Mullins. If the rest of the players on the team were the quality of Mullins, SIU would be much better off. The problem is the rest of the team is not that good. Falker is a quality 4 who has off games. After that, our team is composed of mid-major players and freshmen.

[WSUbballer]

Wow. Odd comments about a Final Four quality point guard. Mullins is not the problem. He has been the brightest point on this whole team. To blame this on Mullins is way out of line. There is a lot of people to blame, but that list does not include Mullins. If the rest of the players on the team were the quality of Mullins, SIU would be much better off. The problem is the rest of the team is not that good. Falker is a quality 4 who has off games. After that, our team is composed of mid-major players and freshmen.

Did you just say 'Final Four quality point guard'? :lol::lol:

2 of 9 from the field isn't really 'Final Four' caliber, especially against a pretty weak SLU team.

I dunno if anyone is blaming Mullins on the SIU losing, although he's not helping, but rather calling you out on your outlandish and bold statements that Mullins is the best guard in the league.

[C0|db|00ded]

Wow. Odd comments about a Final Four quality point guard. Mullins is not the problem. He has been the brightest point on this whole team. To blame this on Mullins is way out of line. There is a lot of people to blame, but that list does not include Mullins. If the rest of the players on the team were the quality of Mullins, SIU would be much better off. The problem is the rest of the team is not that good. Falker is a quality 4 who has off games. After that, our team is composed of mid-major players and freshmen.

Mullins couldn't hold Couisnard's jockstrap.


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[Aegyptus]

Did you just say 'Final Four quality point guard'? :lol::lol:

2 of 9 from the field isn't really 'Final Four' caliber, especially against a pretty weak SLU team.

I dunno if anyone is blaming Mullins on the SIU losing, although he's not helping, but rather calling you out on your outlandish and bold statements that Mullins is the best guard in the league.

Not saying best guard. Saying best point guard. We have been through this before. Mullins is a great point guard. He is not a great shooting guard. In the last game they tried to make him into a shooting guard and it backfired. Bone needs to be our shooting guard, Mullins needs to be out point guard. The problem is that Bone is not ready for the shooting guard role. If we had a good shooting guard, Mullins could fill his role as the point guard.

[jaypharmalum]

Wow. Odd comments about a Final Four quality point guard.


That comment has got to be right up there with.. "It's a great day to be...".

And like that, the rest of VT thinks, "He doesn't actually believe what he's typing, does he?"

[C0|db|00ded]

That comment has got to be right up there with.. "It's a great day to be...".

And like that, the rest of VT thinks, "He doesn't actually believe what he's typing, does he?"

Riiiight... :lol::lol::lol: *whiff*

The strength and sheer size of the Shocker Nation is what every lil' Valley program (including yours) hopes to attain one day.

It's a great day to be a Shocker!

P.S.

The rent is due Cornhus... ERRRRRRRRR B.J. fans..!!1


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[jaypharmalum]

Riiiight... :lol::lol::lol: *whiff*

The strength and sheer size of the Shocker Nation is what every lil' Valley program (including yours) hopes to attain one day.

It's a great day to be a Shocker!

P.S.

The rent is due Cornhus... ERRRRRRRRR B.J. fans..!!1


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The 15000+ that show up to every Creighton game at the best venue in the Valley make it easy to pay the bills.

Funny too that we just had a discussion a couple weeks ago about Shocker fans not showing up to a home game when KU-MU were playing a football game. Where are your fans' priorities? What size and stength indeed.

[C0|db|00ded]

The 15000+ that show up to every Creighton game at the best venue in the Valley make it easy to pay the bills.

Funny too that we just had a discussion a couple weeks ago about Shocker fans not showing up to a home game when KU-MU were playing a football game. Where are your fans' priorities? What size and stength indeed.

The 15000+ that show up to every Creighton game... decked out in B.J. red????..

:lol::lol::lol: Let it go small-time, you are out of your league.

best venue in the Valley

Your athletic director doesn't seem to think it is too special... :lol::lol::lol:


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