Turgeon's dad is a Creighton booster?

[DoubleJayAlum]

I went to a Creighton booster luncheon today. These events are monthly during the season and fetaure Altman talking about the team and answering questions. Essentially you pay a fee, get a steak and hear DA.

At today's luncheon, Mark Turgeon's dad was in attendence. Dana introduced him to the room. Apparently he lives in the Lincoln, Nebraska area.

Glad to see the Turgeon family is supporting Creighton athletics. Thank you daddy Turgeon for your support. :grin::clap:

[MoValley John]

Do you really want the father of a turncoat mentioned as a booster. I mean the nut doesn't fall far from the tree. So when will Daddy jump camp and become a facking Husker?

That crap doesn't happen at Drake. We have a series of background checks in place, so we don't let just any riff-raff in!

[C0|db|00ded]

I went to a Creighton booster luncheon today. These events are monthly during the season and fetaure Altman talking about the team and answering questions. Essentially you pay a fee, get a steak and hear DA.

At today's luncheon, Mark Turgeon's dad was in attendence. Dana introduced him to the room. Apparently he lives in the Lincoln, Nebraska area.

Glad to see the Turgeon family is supporting Creighton athletics. Thank you daddy Turgeon for your support. :grin::clap:


Oh that does it! Now I really hate the Turgeons!!11 :naughty::naughty::bash::chair::lol:


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[LincolnJay]

That crap doesn't happen at Drake. We have a series of background checks in place, so we don't let just any riff-raff in!

How do you explain DT? :lol:

:bulldogs:

[MoValley John]

He lives in Lincoln? What a facking loser.

[MoValley John]

How do you explain DT? :lol:

:bulldogs:

He is a man beyond reproach. His Name is Dawg_Tired, but what you don't know is that the slash between Dawg and Tired is where his middle name goes. Being a man of modesty and always a beacon of humility, rather than posting his middle name, he simply uses the slash. If he were to forego the slash, his screen name would read DawgManOfIntegrityTired.

[blueblood]

Creighton is working with Texas A&M on a buy out game. They are using the Wichita State-Syracuse game from last year as a model. Turgeon's dad was in town to sign the papers. Texas A&M in Omaha early next year.

[jaypharmalum]

I thought it was kind of funny that Turgeon's dad was there... not sure what the connection is exactly. At the luncheon, I did enjoy Dana's analysis of the MVC teams... thinks it will be a tough conference season.

[WSUbballer]

I went to a Creighton booster luncheon today. These events are monthly during the season and fetaure Altman talking about the team and answering questions. Essentially you pay a fee, get a steak and hear DA.

At today's luncheon, Mark Turgeon's dad was in attendence. Dana introduced him to the room. Apparently he lives in the Lincoln, Nebraska area.

Glad to see the Turgeon family is supporting Creighton athletics. Thank you daddy Turgeon for your support. :grin::clap:

Well since Turgeon isn't tied to the MVC anymore... who really cares?

I'm glad you do though.. :shutup:

[cpacmel]

Do you really want the father of a turncoat mentioned as a booster.

So Turgeon is a turncoat because he left WSU for Texas A&M? No offense to my shocker friends, but what person wouldn't take a bump in salary (750K to 1.2 Mil)? Also Turgeon has some job security now too. His deal is basically 8 years.

I don't know about you MoValley John, but if I had the chance to better my salary by 60% and have more job security, I would be a turncoat too. :grin:

[Cdizzle]

So Turgeon is a turncoat because he left WSU for Texas A&M? No offense to my shocker friends, but what person wouldn't take a bump in salary (750K to 1.2 Mil)? Also Turgeon has some job security now too. His deal is basically 8 years.

I don't know about you MoValley John, but if I had the chance to better my salary by 60% and have more job security, I would be a turncoat too. :grin:

Since when is there any job security in coaching? The point is also moot because Turgeon had just signed a 10-yr deal at WSU, so its not as though he was in danger of getting tossed out.

[iSASO]

Damn this slow time of the year when meaningless topics garner undeserved attention. I hope basketball season starts soon.

[WeWillShockU]

[QUOTE=DoubleJayAlum;112948]I went to a Creighton booster luncheon today. These events are monthly during the season and fetaure Altman talking about the team and answering questions. Essentially you pay a fee, get a steak and hear DA.

At today's luncheon, Mark Turgeon's dad was in attendence. Dana introduced him to the room. Apparently he lives in the Lincoln, Nebraska area.

Glad to see the Turgeon family is supporting Creighton athletics. Thank you daddy Turgeon for your support.

Every family has a black sheep! :lol:

[Dawg_tired]

WGAF

[cpacmel]

Since when is there any job security in coaching? The point is also moot because Turgeon had just signed a 10-yr deal at WSU, so its not as though he was in danger of getting tossed out.

Depends when the buy-outs were though. He could have a deal for 10 years, but the Shockers could have a right to buy him out after 3-4 years. I wasn't aware he had signed for 10 years. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

Anyways, he increased his salary by 60% regardless.

How many of us would have turned that down?

[MoValley John]

I guess job security and the fact that the town will always love you doesn't count for anything anymore. Jump ship the first time a few more coins are tossed your way. Mark Few should have dumped Gonzaga long ago, you just can't build a power in a mid-major conference.

[Aargh]

Having only one player with D1 experience returning that was taller than 6'4" may have been included when considering that 60% bump in pay. It may have been the last chance to get that type of a pay increase.

[Ricky Del Rio]

I guess job security and the fact that the town will always love you doesn't count for anything anymore. Jump ship the first time a few more coins are tossed your way. Mark Few should have dumped Gonzaga long ago, you just can't build a power in a mid-major conference.


I am a little surprised about your attitude toward Coach Turgeon. It doesn't seem to fit your value set.

None of us know what his motivations were for changing jobs and it is not reasonable for anyone to condemn him, given this lack of information.

[cpacmel]

I guess job security and the fact that the town will always love you doesn't count for anything anymore. Jump ship the first time a few more coins are tossed your way. Mark Few should have dumped Gonzaga long ago, you just can't build a power in a mid-major conference.

I am surprised that a coach gets ripped like this for bettering himself financially. Sure it sucks when a coach leaves, but that is the nature of the profession. Really if you think about it, it's the nature of most every profession. Be it coaching, sales, etc..

MoValley John, I don't know what kind of work you are in, but if you had a chance to improve your salary by 60% by taking another job (where you would be doing exactly the same thing), would you do it?

Loyalty is a great thing. But so is earning as much money as possible.

And who says that Turgeon won't be loved in his new city?

[Divergence]

I am surprised that a coach gets ripped like this for bettering himself financially.

You do understand that Mo Valley isn't a WSU fan don't you?

[LincolnJay]

So Turgeon leaves and he's a turncoat and a number of other unsavory things. So what does that make Marshall since he did the same thing to Winthrop?

You sothron kansass-ans are a strange group.

[cpacmel]

You do understand that Mo Valley isn't a WSU fan don't you?

I would figure common sense would trump hatred / dislike. But I guess not. :helpsmilie:

[C0|db|00ded]

So Turgeon leaves and he's a turncoat and a number of other unsavory things. So what does that make Marshall since he did the same thing to Winthrop?

You sothron kansass-ans are a strange group.

So what does that make Marshall since he did the same thing to Winthrop?


Smart.

Most believe (including Turgeon) that the move to A&M was a lateral move. If Turgeon would have taken the Kansas job we would have all understood it. Marshall leaving Winthrop to take command of a "major-esque" program with major facilities that rival any university in the nation complete with personal jets for recruiting and chartered flights for every road game and a salary that is nearly 5x larger is no surprise. Turgeon left for a salary that was nearly the same in guaranteed money (contract).


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[The Mad Hatter]

I would figure common sense would trump hatred / dislike. But I guess not. :helpsmilie:

What are you talking about. You were acting like Mo Valley calling Turgeon a "turncoat" was WSU fans talking, and all someone did is point out that Mo Valley is not a Shocker fan, so that statement shouldn't be applied to the Shocker fanbase.

I would figure that common sense would allow you to tell the difference between what a WSU fan and a fan of a different school says, but I guess not.

[Fraydog]

Sorry, WSU to aTm isn't a lateral move. It's less of a jump than from going from Winthrop to WSU, but when you talk about aTm, you are talking about a place that is endowed in the billions with big time BCS football and a larger arena than what WSU has. Let's not forget the Bush money and the like.

Turgeon's salary is closer to 1.5 million at aTm from what I've heard, but I could be wrong as I'm not close to that situation. It's just not the same from any MVC job to the top level BCS jobs, and while aTm isn't the top, there's more room for growth there than at WSU, which has to add big time football and jump to the BCS to be in the same spot. I'm not meaning to degrade WSU in any shape or form, but it's just not the same thing.

Let's not forget, for all his struggles at Kentucky, that when Gillespie left aTm, he left a lot of talent on the plate and I think that was a big reason why Turgeon left WSU for aTm.

[Shirley Schmidt]

Smart.

Most believe (including Turgeon) that the move to A&M was a lateral move. If Turgeon would have taken the Kansas job we would have all understood it. Marshall leaving Winthrop to take command of a "major-esque" program with major facilities that rival any university in the nation complete with personal jets for recruiting and chartered flights for every road game and a salary that is nearly 5x larger is no surprise. Turgeon left for a salary that was nearly the same in guaranteed money (contract).

You are kidding?

Removing the rose colored glasses might help with you delusions of grandeur for the Wichita State program. I am sure that there is a doctor somewhere that can also help with medication.

When coach Marshall gets rolling with his own players in two to three years he will be courted by the big boys and it will not take him long to move on to a big time program.

[Dawg_tired]

How do you explain DT? :lol:

:bulldogs:


It's a simple logistics issue. The reason why that shat doesn't happen at Drake is because trailer courts aren't on the bus routes that go to the Knapp Center.

The other reason is that we have a secret handshake. And you have to go through different levels of wisdom to learn the handshake. It's kind of like being a Mason without the weirdness of all that and the Knights of Templar stuff.

[C0|db|00ded]

Sorry, WSU to aTm isn't a lateral move. It's less of a jump than from going from Winthrop to WSU, but when you talk about aTm, you are talking about a place that is endowed in the billions with big time BCS football and a larger arena than what WSU has. Let's not forget the Bush money and the like.

Turgeon's salary is closer to 1.5 million at aTm from what I've heard, but I could be wrong as I'm not close to that situation. It's just not the same from any MVC job to the top level BCS jobs, and while aTm isn't the top, there's more room for growth there than at WSU, which has to add big time football and jump to the BCS to be in the same spot. I'm not meaning to degrade WSU in any shape or form, but it's just not the same thing.

Let's not forget, for all his struggles at Kentucky, that when Gillespie left aTm, he left a lot of talent on the plate and I think that was a big reason why Turgeon left WSU for aTm.

Thanks but I'll take Mark Turgeon's word for it considering he has held both jobs and knows the amenities at each.

When asked about the move from WSU to aTm, Turgeon described it as a parallel move among programs to a better conference - then said "Wichita State is a major program in a mid-major conference".

Huge endowments are great for research and facilities but I can assure you he had all he needed here: Personal jet for recruiting, all road games on chartered flights, one of the top training and practice facilities in the nation, etc. etc.

Turgeon left for around 450k more year but as far as total compensation goes, it's nearly the same when you consider guaranteed contracts. Also, he was getting other benefits besides his "stated" 750k salary. I'm sure we would have bumped him to 1mm if that is what it would have taken to keep him. He wanted to coach in the Big12 period.

As far as arena size.. :lol::lol::lol: He's been buying tickets and giving them away to the students... literally begging people to come watch basketball.

If WSU wasn't in this mid-major conference he probably would have stayed.


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[C0|db|00ded]

You are kidding?

Removing the rose colored glasses might help with you delusions of grandeur for the Wichita State program. I am sure that there is a doctor somewhere that can also help with medication.

When coach Marshall gets rolling with his own players in two to three years he will be courted by the big boys and it will not take him long to move on to a big time program.

Thanks for your input. You dazzled me with your wisdom and set me on the correct path! Please post again! :sleeping:


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[cpacmel]

What are you talking about. You were acting like Mo Valley calling Turgeon a "turncoat" was WSU fans talking, and all someone did is point out that Mo Valley is not a Shocker fan, so that statement shouldn't be applied to the Shocker fanbase.

I would figure that common sense would allow you to tell the difference between what a WSU fan and a fan of a different school says, but I guess not.

Mad Hatter, what are you talking about?

I could care less who Mo Valley John is a fan of.

Common sense tells ya, improving your salary by 60% is a good thing. I believe that John made that statement out of hatred / dislike for WSU. And that is why I said "Common Sense should trump dislike". AND IT SHOULD.

Say we are talking about an airline pilot switching jobs. He is doing the same exact job, but now he is getting paid 60% more than what he was making. It would be silly to call him a turncoat, because he made the move to increase his salary. So why anyone would complain when a coach does it, makes no sense to me.

I didn't apply any statement to any fan base.

[C0|db|00ded]

Mad Hatter, what are you talking about?

I could care less who Mo Valley John is a fan of.

Common sense tells ya, improving your salary by 60% is a good thing. I believe that John made that statement out of hatred / dislike for WSU. And that is why I said "Common Sense should trump dislike". AND IT SHOULD.

Say we are talking about an airline pilot switching jobs. He is doing the same exact job, but now he is getting paid 60% more than what he was making. It would be silly to call him a turncoat, because he made the move to increase his salary. So why anyone would complain when a coach does it, makes no sense to me.

I didn't apply any statement to any fan base.

He didn't leave because we couldn't pay him more.. rofl. He left because he wanted the easier job of recruiting to the B12. Do you really think we couldn't match 1.2mm a year? :lol::lol::lol:


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[cpacmel]

He didn't leave because we couldn't pay him more.. rofl. He left because he wanted the easier job of recruiting to the B12. Do you really think we couldn't match 1.2mm a year? :lol::lol::lol:


Show me proof of that and when I say Proof, I mean an actual link to an actual news source.

He was making 750K at WSU. Now he is making 1.2Mil.

If his goal was to someday coach in the Big 12........he could have done that 2-10 years down the road. THE BIG 12 ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. The job offers would be there. Eventually Kansas would even open up.

[C0|db|00ded]

Show me proof of that and when I say Proof, I mean an actual link to an actual news source.

He was making 750K at WSU. Now he is making 1.2Mil.

If his goal was to someday coach in the Big 12........he could have done that 2-10 years down the road. THE BIG 12 ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. The job offers would be there. Eventually Kansas would even open up.

He did not leave because we couldn't afford him. He publicly admitted that. Just leave this one alone. There is no way you could know more about the situation than even a typical Shocker fan let alone me.


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[cpacmel]

He did not leave because we couldn't afford him. He publicly admitted that.


If he publicly admitted it, there has to be a link somewhere to his words.

I will gladly admit I am wrong if you show me proof of it.

I have nothing against WSU. Never have. I don't claim to know anymore than what I have read.

Just don't come back and tell me you know this stuff from "inside sources" or from what he told you in private.

[Divergence]

I would figure common sense would trump hatred / dislike. But I guess not. :helpsmilie:

:doh: Are you clueless or brain dead?

[Ictjay]

Larry Brown talked Turg into leaving. Encouraged it.

Tonight was a stunner. I was shocked watching PJ play defense. Got beat often and picked up alot of silly fouls trying to stay with his man.

[Divergence]

Larry Brown talked Turg into leaving. Encouraged it.

Tonight was a stunner. I was shocked watching PJ play defense. Got beat often and picked up alot of silly fouls trying to stay with his man.

Yeah, he played better last year one handed. Don't know what his problem is.

[cpacmel]

:doh: Are you clueless or brain dead?

I said that in relation to MoValley John calling Turgeon a turncoat.

Common sense would say it's a good move to improve your salary by 60%. Dislike or hatred would stop you from believing that to be a good move.

I am not saying there is any hatred or dislike for Turgeon or Texas A&M, except by Mo Valley John. As he is the one who called Turegon a Turncoat. Which he is obviously is not.

Come on people it's a very simple concept. We all do it on our everyday lives. We all try and make the most money in our jobs.

Some of you guys are very sensitive these days. Call a spade a spade. Coaches leave for greener pastures. It happens all the time.

Now we might not think the jobs they take our better positions, but that is because we are all very biased in our thinking.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Turgeon was eager to leave WSU. For evidence, consider that he asked others to recommend him for the Arkansas job. And this was before the A&M job ever even opened. It looks like he was just eager to get the heck out of town.

[Divergence]

I said that in relation to MoValley John calling Turgeon a turncoat.

Common sense would say it's a good move to improve your salary by 60%. Dislike or hatred would stop you from believing that to be a good move.

I am not saying there is any hatred or dislike for Turgeon or Texas A&M, except by Mo Valley John. As he is the one who called Turegon a Turncoat. Which he is obviously is not.

Come on people it's a very simple concept. We all do it on our everyday lives. We all try and make the most money in our jobs.

Some of you guys are very sensitive these days. Call a spade a spade. Coaches leave for greener pastures. It happens all the time.

Now we might not think the jobs they take our better positions, but that is because we are all very biased in our thinking.

But your exact quote was:

So Turgeon is a turncoat because he left WSU for Texas A&M? No offense to my shocker friends, but what person wouldn't take a bump in salary (750K to 1.2 Mil)?

Maybe I'm missunderstanding what you meant by "no offense to my shocker friends".

For the record I have no problem with Turgeon taking the job. You got to do what right for your family.

[MoValley John]

I Hate? How? Because I think a coach owes more to a program than Turgeon showed? That when a coach signs a big contract, maybe, even if he doesn't stay for the entire term, should honor more than a year of it? Because I think if you don't honor more than a year of your big contract, you should at least leave the program in decent shape, not in disarray with player defection, discontent and rumors? Maybe if you don't have the loyalty to coach more than one year on your big contract and you leave your program in disarray, you should at least leave your prized recruit at that school, not steal him? That's not hate, that's the reality of what Turgeon did. His Sweet 16 was his ticket out and I think he mailed in the effort last year.

Turgeon did all of this, and while he has every right to take the big money, he also has the responsibility to leave Wichita State in good shape. He didn't. I think he knew he was gone early on, and just left the place in shambles. Regardless of what the aTm contract paid, Turgeon owed Wichita State a little more than he what left them. Since he left, he has had some very good words to say about Wichita State. Unfortunately, those words don't correlate with his actions.

No, I don't hate Turgeon for leaving, I'm not a WSU fan, so it really doesn't matter to me. But after the big raise, and after the collapse, he owed them a little more than disenfranchising the team, stealing the best recruit and taking the first train out of town.

[WeWillShockU]

Turgeon was eager to leave WSU. For evidence, consider that he asked others to recommend him for the Arkansas job. And this was before the A&M job ever even opened. It looks like he was just eager to get the heck out of town.


That is BS DoubleJay Alum. I know several of MT close friends who live here in Topeka and they have told me that he had a hard time making the decision to leave. One of the main reasons that he took the job is because he was friends with the AD at TX A&M and because scheduling is much easier at a Big 12 school.

[cpacmel]

But your exact quote was:

Maybe I'm missunderstanding what you meant by "no offense to my shocker friends".

For the record I have no problem with Turgeon taking the job. You got to do what right for your family.

I said that because I wanted to make sure Shocker fans didn't take what I was saying personally. Maybe it was a bad choice of words. I should have spoken in more general terms. ( most coaches will leave to improve their salary.)

This has nothing to do with WSU or the Shockers fans. My thought was: What person wouldn't want to improve their salary by 60%. Period.

I thought Mo Valley John's calling Turg a "turncoat" was a little strong. As if we were all in the situation to improve our salary and thus doing right by our family is something that should never be questioned, IMO.

My apologizes to any Shocker or other fan that took it any differently than that. :shutup:

[Divergence]

I said that because I wanted to make sure Shocker fans didn't take what I was saying personally. Maybe it was a bad choice of words. I should have spoken in more general terms. ( most coaches will leave to improve their salary.)

This has nothing to do with WSU or the Shockers fans. My thought was: What person wouldn't want to improve their salary by 60%. Period.

I thought Mo Valley John's calling Turg a "turncoat" was a little strong. As if we were all in the situation to improve our salary and thus doing right by our family is something that should never be questioned, IMO.

My apologizes to any Shocker or other fan that took it any differently than that. :shutup:

Okay, I'm sorry to. I misunderstood what you were saying and I guess your not really stupid or brain dead. :hug:

I guess I'm just a little testy after tonight WSU team playing like a bunch of :clown: and :blowup:

[C0|db|00ded]

Turgeon didn't leave for the measly salary increase and we aren't topped out at what we can pay a coach. He had a ten year contract with us and an 8 year contract with them. Total package was very close in $$$'s. If Jim needed to bump Turgeon's salary a few 100K's he would have. Mark was going to leave for the Big12 period. And after his post-S16 collapse he probably felt his window of opportunity might be closing.

For what it's worth even his brother-in-law (long-time poster) posted on Shockernet that Mark did not leave for the money.


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[cpacmel]

Okay, I'm sorry to. I misunderstood what you were saying and I guess your not really stupid or brain dead. :hug:

I guess I'm just a little testy after tonight WSU team playing like a bunch of :clown: and :blowup:

Not a problem. I am pretty stupid most of the time and brain dead the majority of the time. :bash:

Best of luck to you guys. You have back to back Big ones in LSU and UAB. Hopefully the Roundhouse will be rocking BIG TIME for those 2 huge games. :shockers:

[iSASO]

Show me proof of that and when I say Proof, I mean an actual link to an actual news source.

He was making 750K at WSU. Now he is making 1.2Mil.

If his goal was to someday coach in the Big 12........he could have done that 2-10 years down the road. THE BIG 12 ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. The job offers would be there. Eventually Kansas would even open up.


You have to know that he said he wanted to be done coaching at 50. He's 42 now. You can't wait "2-10 years" in that scenario.

His window was closing. The player who lead the way to the Sweet 16 was landed by the baseball coach.

[cpacmel]

I don't understand this "window closing" thing. He was at Wichita State, a place where basketball is well supported by both fans and the school itself.

Are you guys saying he was never going to be successful at Wichita State again and that is why he had to jump at Texas A&M this past year?

If the guy can coach, which he can, other jobs would be open to him in the coming years and IMO, he didn't need to get back to the Sweet 16 to get more offers.

Use Altman as an example. His name has been listed for jobs for how many years now? It's my understand Altman could have taken the Illinois job before Weber took it. ( He turned it down because of an issue with an assistant coach and other reasons) But since then Dana's name has been mentioned with numerous openings. And Altman is 7 years older than Turg.

I'll take your guys word that money wasn't a factor on the move. I have a hard time believing that, but it is, what it is.

The way Self has been failing at Kansas in the post season, you would think Turg might have held out for that opening. (not that Kansas has had no success in the post season, just not the type of success Kansas is used to.)

[iSASO]

He wouldn't wait the 3-5 years to see if Self would get fired...too risky if you're gonna retire by 50. He had to move quickly to capitalize on the ride his 6'10" baseball player gave him. He refused to fight the scheduling battle any longer. Larry Brown told him to get out while the getting was good to a school where scheduling was easier.
What else would Larry Brown say?

[WSUbballer]

Turgeon was eager to leave WSU. For evidence, consider that he asked others to recommend him for the Arkansas job. And this was before the A&M job ever even opened. It looks like he was just eager to get the heck out of town.

Considering you're an outsider who has no valuable information on the program and Turgeon, I'd keep the rumor talk on the side.

Nice try though. Thanks for playing.

[WSUbballer]

In other Lincoln-related news..

The Qwest Center sure looked nice and rockin' this afternoon..












IN RED.. :grin::grin::grin:

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[DoubleJayAlum]

That is BS DoubleJay Alum. I know several of MT close friends who live here in Topeka and they have told me that he had a hard time making the decision to leave. One of the main reasons that he took the job is because he was friends with the AD at TX A&M and because scheduling is much easier at a Big 12 school.

You may not like it, but its not total BS. I read the article that discussed Turg asking for others to put in a good word on the Arkansas job from a link posted on shockernet. It did happen and that seems to weaken the argument that he left because the A&M job was just so great he couldn't turn it down. It sounds more like the actions of somebody who wanted to get out and was not exactly all that particular about where to go next.

We can speculate all we want on why he decided to leave. Was it money? Was it because of the epic meltdown of last year's team? Was it because of the internal chemistry problems caused by Ogirri's laying the wood to a teammate's girlfriend? Was it because Larry Brown told him to leave? To a degree it was probably all of those things. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter though. Turgeon wanted out, enlisted the assistance of others to help him get out, and ultimately got out. Now his family is writing donor checks to Creighton Athletics, so its all good by me. :grin:

[jaypharmalum]

In other Lincoln-related news..

The Qwest Center sure looked nice and rockin' this afternoon..




Silly red clad fans were so excited.. you see, they had no idea how to act after actually winning in the Qwest Center.

Funny thing is, that after paying $65k for the court, $35k for renting the building and selling only 3000 tickets (beyond season tickets), they took a hit in the pocketbook yesterday. Nevertheless, we will also be renting the building to the NCAA for the first round of the tournament in March and will gladly welcome any MVC teams that weekend and declare you the home team as well.

[Ricky Del Rio]

But your exact quote was:



Maybe I'm missunderstanding what you meant by "no offense to my shocker friends".

For the record I have no problem with Turgeon taking the job. You got to do what right for your family.

To quote a famous NFL player or was it a NBA player, "I have to put food on the table for my family." I think it was an NBA player.

There is nothing wrong with changing jobs. There is not a single person on this forum, who has not changed jobs.

[Ricky Del Rio]

I Hate? How? Because I think a coach owes more to a program than Turgeon showed? That when a coach signs a big contract, maybe, even if he doesn't stay for the entire term, should honor more than a year of it? Because I think if you don't honor more than a year of your big contract, you should at least leave the program in decent shape, not in disarray with player defection, discontent and rumors? Maybe if you don't have the loyalty to coach more than one year on your big contract and you leave your program in disarray, you should at least leave your prized recruit at that school, not steal him? That's not hate, that's the reality of what Turgeon did. His Sweet 16 was his ticket out and I think he mailed in the effort last year.

Turgeon did all of this, and while he has every right to take the big money, he also has the responsibility to leave Wichita State in good shape. He didn't. I think he knew he was gone early on, and just left the place in shambles. Regardless of what the aTm contract paid, Turgeon owed Wichita State a little more than he what left them. Since he left, he has had some very good words to say about Wichita State. Unfortunately, those words don't correlate with his actions.

No, I don't hate Turgeon for leaving, I'm not a WSU fan, so it really doesn't matter to me. But after the big raise, and after the collapse, he owed them a little more than disenfranchising the team, stealing the best recruit and taking the first train out of town.

You have wandered way off the reservation on this one.

However, I will not debate it with you because your heels are dug in and I could not persuade you to accept a different view.

There is a lot of unsupported, hot rhetoric in your post.

It is difficult to prove allegations, which are based upon mind reading.

You have made much better posts.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Okay, I'm sorry to. I misunderstood what you were saying and I guess your not really stupid or brain dead. :hug:

I guess I'm just a little testy after tonight WSU team playing like a bunch of :clown: and :blowup:

Playing like they were brain dead....

[Ricky Del Rio]

You may not like it, but its not total BS. I read the article that discussed Turg asking for others to put in a good word on the Arkansas job from a link posted on shockernet. It did happen and that seems to weaken the argument that he left because the A&M job was just so great he couldn't turn it down. It sounds more like the actions of somebody who wanted to get out and was not exactly all that particular about where to go next.

We can speculate all we want on why he decided to leave. Was it money? Was it because of the epic meltdown of last year's team? Was it because of the internal chemistry problems caused by Ogirri's laying the wood to a teammate's girlfriend? Was it because Larry Brown told him to leave? To a degree it was probably all of those things. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter though. Turgeon wanted out, enlisted the assistance of others to help him get out, and ultimately got out. Now his family is writing donor checks to Creighton Athletics, so its all good by me. :grin:

Another liberal. Probably a trial lawyer.

[WSUbballer]

You may not like it, but its not total BS. I read the article that discussed Turg asking for others to put in a good word on the Arkansas job from a link posted on shockernet. It did happen and that seems to weaken the argument that he left because the A&M job was just so great he couldn't turn it down. It sounds more like the actions of somebody who wanted to get out and was not exactly all that particular about where to go next.

We can speculate all we want on why he decided to leave. Was it money? Was it because of the epic meltdown of last year's team? Was it because of the internal chemistry problems caused by Ogirri's laying the wood to a teammate's girlfriend? Was it because Larry Brown told him to leave? To a degree it was probably all of those things. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter though. Turgeon wanted out, enlisted the assistance of others to help him get out, and ultimately got out. Now his family is writing donor checks to Creighton Athletics, so its all good by me. :grin:

Judging by your knowledge of everything WSU inside and out, and by your admittance to living over at Shockernet, you may have a little bit too much time on your hands, or serious insecurity issues.

Kinda makes you wonder if Dana really had a change of heart or if there were other issues that he saw coming that made him leave Fayetteville.. I think most CU fans fell easily for the "change of heart" theory though..

[iSASO]

No doubts that the "change of heart" bait is what Altman needed to put on the hook for the Creighton fans.

[MoValley John]

You have wandered way off the reservation on this one.
I didn't know I was on Indian ground. Sorry.

However, I will not debate it with you because your heels are dug in and I could not persuade you to accept a different view.
This is my third, maybe fourth post on this subject, I hardly have my heels dug in on this one. I really don't care all that much and don't have my feet dug in.

There is a lot of unsupported, hot rhetoric in your post.
Where? Didn't Turgeon leave just one year after signing the $750,000 contract. That is fact. Is it also not a fact that many players were upset and even Ogirri left for Wyoming? Hardly rhetoric, simply fact. And isn't it also a fact that Turgeon took the highly prized Denzel Bowles with him, when he left. Yep, Bowles orally committed to Wichita State and went with Turgeon to aTm. Another fact.

It is difficult to prove allegations, which are based upon mind reading.
The only allegations I made, are what I stated a couple lines above. My opinion on what Turgeon is is just that, an opinion. But it is based on events that unfolded at Wichita State and those are facts, no mind reading needed.

You have made much better posts.
You hit the nail on the head with that one.

[Ricky Del Rio]

You have wandered way off the reservation on this one.
I didn't know I was on Indian ground. Sorry.

However, I will not debate it with you because your heels are dug in and I could not persuade you to accept a different view.
This is my third, maybe fourth post on this subject, I hardly have my heels dug in on this one. I really don't care all that much and don't have my feet dug in.

There is a lot of unsupported, hot rhetoric in your post.
Where? Didn't Turgeon leave just one year after signing the $750,000 contract. That is fact. Is it also not a fact that many players were upset and even Ogirri left for Wyoming? Hardly rhetoric, simply fact. And isn't it also a fact that Turgeon took the highly prized Denzel Bowles with him, when he left. Yep, Bowles orally committed to Wichita State and went with Turgeon to aTm. Another fact.

It is difficult to prove allegations, which are based upon mind reading.
The only allegations I made, are what I stated a couple lines above. My opinion on what Turgeon is is just that, an opinion. But it is based on events that unfolded at Wichita State and those are facts, no mind reading needed.

You have made much better posts.
You hit the nail on the head with that one.


Disarray....
Rumors....
Discontent...
Defection....
Shambles....
Collapse....
Disenfranchising....
Stealing....
First train out of town....
No loyalty....
Ticket out....
Mailed in effort....
Responsibility to leave....
Owed more than what he left....

After reading this demagogic diatribe, I can only say, "Mindless."

[MoValley John]

Disarray....
Rumors....
Discontent...
Defection....
Shambles....
Collapse....
Disenfranchising....
Stealing....
First train out of town....
No loyalty....
Ticket out....
Mailed in effort....
Responsibility to leave....
Owed more than what he left....

After reading this demagogic diatribe, I can only say, "Mindless."

You forgot to include Ogirri and Bowles.

[Omahaboundshock]

You may not like it, but its not total BS. I read the article that discussed Turg asking for others to put in a good word on the Arkansas job from a link posted on shockernet. It did happen and that seems to weaken the argument that he left because the A&M job was just so great he couldn't turn it down. It sounds more like the actions of somebody who wanted to get out and was not exactly all that particular about where to go next.

We can speculate all we want on why he decided to leave. Was it money? Was it because of the epic meltdown of last year's team? Was it because of the internal chemistry problems caused by Ogirri's laying the wood to a teammate's girlfriend? Was it because Larry Brown told him to leave? To a degree it was probably all of those things. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter though. Turgeon wanted out, enlisted the assistance of others to help him get out, and ultimately got out. Now his family is writing donor checks to Creighton Athletics, so its all good by me. :grin:


As a shocker fan, I can't disagree with anything you posted. I might add that his last 2 recruiting classes were very weak and that WSU would not have much after this year even if he had stayed- that might have been another reason to add to the list.

But I agree that it was probably all of those things.

[MoValley John]

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http://www.shockernet.net/sn/images/spacer.gif </TD><TD class=row2 vAlign=top><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=postdetails>http://www.shockernet.net/sn/templates/fiblack3d/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://www.shockernet.net/sn/viewtopic.php?p=159882#159882)Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:53 am</TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right>http://www.shockernet.net/sn/templates/fiblack3d/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif (http://www.shockernet.net/sn/posting.php?mode=quote&p=159882)http://www.shockernet.net/sn/templates/fiblack3d/images/icon_up.gif (http://www.shockernet.net/sn/viewtopic.php?t=9664&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100#top)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=postbody vAlign=top><HR>Rough Qoute...
"I hate to complain but turgeon kinda screwed us over, he leaves for aTm and leaves us with JT Durley and Arbry Butler."
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[shockball]

As a shocker fan, I can't disagree with anything you posted. I might add that his last 2 recruiting classes were very weak and that WSU would not have much after this year even if he had stayed- that might have been another reason to add to the list.

But I agree that it was probably all of those things.


OBS

Can you or DJA post the link to the article on shockernet where it says that Turgeon asked others to put in a good word on the Arkansas job? I missed that one.

Edit: that was a bs part.

[Ricky Del Rio]

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Sophomore WuShock


Joined: 04 Oct 2006
Posts: 157
Location: Wichita, KS
http://www.shockernet.net/sn/images/spacer.gif </TD><TD class=row2 vAlign=top><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=postdetails>http://www.shockernet.net/sn/templates/fiblack3d/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://www.shockernet.net/sn/viewtopic.php?p=159882#159882)Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:53 am</TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right>http://www.shockernet.net/sn/templates/fiblack3d/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif (http://www.shockernet.net/sn/posting.php?mode=quote&p=159882)http://www.shockernet.net/sn/templates/fiblack3d/images/icon_up.gif (http://www.shockernet.net/sn/viewtopic.php?t=9664&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100#top)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=postbody vAlign=top><HR>Rough Qoute...
"I hate to complain but turgeon kinda screwed us over, he leaves for aTm and leaves us with JT Durley and Arbry Butler."
Len Marshall The Greatest shocker fan i know outside the student section.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

When you quote Rip 'Em Up, you are quoting the most uninformed and illiterate of all Shocker fans. In short, he is an ignoranus.

[MoValley John]

When you quote Rip 'Em Up, you are quoting the most uninformed and illiterate of all Shocker fans. In short, he is an ignoranus.

But he's your ignoranus. :lol:

[Ricky Del Rio]

But he's your ignoranus. :lol:

Yes, you are so correcto.