Panthers @ Shockers

[Khan4Cats]

Okay, thought I'd get a thread going for this one. After all, there already is one for our next game.:doh:

UNI has won the last three games in Wichita, including the Benny J buzzer beater in 04-05 and UNI's first road victory over a ranked foe last year.
I haven't followed a lot of Wichita this year, but know they are without their PG (like UNI) and have not won an MVC game at home.

Panthers are coming off their first game in a long time where both offense and defense were clicking in the same game, looking to continue it and build towards February.

I think UNI's inside game continues to play big and the guards flow better with the modifications made in our offense for MSU. As long as WSU isn't another team to have season high three-point fest on us, I see UNI winning a lower-scoring game and pulling away at the end on free throws.

UNI 66
WSU 58

[iSASO]

UNI could win easily. So what if WSU hits a season high in three-pointers? That would only be about four total.

It would be easier to list the players not with an injury, but here goes a parital list:

PG - Matt Braeuer - concussion
PG - Gal Mekel - flu
PG - Bret Michael - torn quad

F - PJ Couisnard - shoulder injury (could not lift it above his head prior to SIU game)

[WSUbballer]

Vegas says:

WSU -2.5

Could be some free money at stake tonight..

[panthers2317]

I'm really hoping that you see the UNI team that played Sunday vs. Missouri State. If you do, the Panthers can win in Wichita. If you see the team that played and lost the 4 games prior...WSU gets their first home Valley win.

[getreal4]

sorry Khan, I got excited and jumped the gun on you with my UNI @ Drake thread. Come by Saturday afternoon and I'll apologize in person. :innocent:

[outpost]

It is definitely gonna be Iowa weather tonight. It was only supposed to get up to 35º this afternoon....

I will take my glasses off and yell my head off, not worrying about who is sitting around me.

Then I will turn to Mrs. outpost and ask what the final score was.

[MoValley John]

It is definitely gonna be Iowa weather tonight. It was only supposed to get up to 35º this afternoon....

I will take my glasses off and yell my head off, not worrying about who is sitting around me.

Then I will turn to Mrs. outpost and ask what the final score was.

35º this afternoon! That is freaking frigid! How do you guys do it?

[GoCatsGo]

35º this afternoon! That is freaking frigid! How do you guys do it?

Today's high in Cedar Falls was 11º. To us, 35º right now would be like spring.

[MoValley John]

Today's high in Cedar Falls was 11º. To us, 35º right now would be like spring.

You gotta take everything into account, wind chill, heat index and humidity. It might be 35º in Wichita, but it's a cold 35. :lol::lol::lol:

[WSUbballer]

Current Local Weather
Wichita Mid-Continent Airport
Lat: 37.66 Lon: -97.43 Elev: 1320
Last Update on Jan 23, 2:53 pm CST

A Few Clouds

40°F
(4°C)
Humidity: 49 %
Wind Speed: N 18 G 32 MPH
Barometer: 30.16" (1022.7 mb)
Dewpoint: 22°F (-6°C)
Wind Chill: 31°F (-1°C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.

[GoCatsGo]

You gotta take everything into account, wind chill, heat index and humidity. It might be 35º in Wichita, but it's a cold 35. :lol::lol::lol:

Current weather at Cedar Falls, IA

Light Snow

6ºF
Humidity: 75%
Wind Speed: From NW at 14 mph
Pressure: 30.24 in.
Dew Point: 1ºF
Visibility: 3 miles
Wind Chill: -11ºF
**WIND CHILL ADVISORY**

[shockball]

I went to last years game in Cedar Falls. We walked out to our car about 8:30 pm. It was 8 below.

Tonight Matt B is going to come off the bench. He's going to hit Coleman in the head with his folding chair and then return to his seat. It will be the play of the day.

[MoValley John]

I went to last years game in Cedar Falls. We walked out to our car about 8:30 pm. It was 8 below.

Tonight Matt B is going to come off the bench. He's going to hit Coleman in the head with his folding chair and then return to his seat. It will be the play of the day.

I might add, it would be quite impressive. :lol::lol::lol:

For the record, I don't know the official outdoor temperature ion Omaha (Ralston), I'm inside! :clap::clap:

That said, looking at the thermometer out the window, I can see some light snow, it appears to be windy and the mercury is pegged at 8°. They are predicting lows around -10 or so.

[MoValley John]

It's always inspiring when there has been snow on the ground so long that your kids are bored with sledding, it's below zero every night and when you log on to Valley Talk, the first thing you see is it's 37 in StL.

[NoPlaceLikeDome]

I have no idea what to expect for this game. I could see UNI jump out to a big lead and I can see the Shockers doing it as well.

I just hope UNI plays the way they did on Sunday, and I think we come away with our second Valley road win.

[C0|db|00ded]

There is no chance we win. We barely have enough players to prevent forfeiture much less field a competent squad. This is our year for bad luck. I'm hoping the trend of bad luck continues so we can get it out of our system and start fresh next year. It has been an unbelievable year...

But!

It's still a great day/decade to be a Shocker!


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[MoValley John]

There is no chance we win. We barely have enough players to prevent forfeiture much less field a competent squad. This is our year for bad luck. I'm hoping the trend of bad luck continues so we can get it out of our system and start fresh next year. It has been an unbelievable year...

But!

It's still a great day/decade to be a Shocker!


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C'mon Cold, hold your head high. This is the most negative I've heard you in a long time, let me rephrase your post so it sounds a little more like the Cold we all know and love:


There is little chance we win. We barely have enough players to suit up a full squad, much less a competent squad. That won't stop our guys, they will give it their all and make all of Shocker Nation proud. I get chills just watching Matt Braeuer on the bench, he wants in so badly you, can see the desire in his eyes. Few players in the country would show the courage he has and fewer still, would have his desire to lace 'em up and make us proud. The rest of our squad is banged up, but heaven forbid, these are Shockers, so even with the odds stacked up against them, they will show up and play hard. And while few teams suffering from so many pitfalls would even have a chance, don't be surprised if the Shockers prevail, I won't! Most would say that this is our year for bad luck, I would differ, this is our year to challege ourselves, deep down. The challenges we face this year will make us much stronger next year . And while I'm hoping the trend of bad luck doesn't continue, even if it does, it will simply strengthen our mettle and make us much stronger next year. It has been an unbelievably tough year, but we are Shockers and shockers prevail, the Giant is about to awake!!!!

And while we have lost more than we have won and we are supposed to lose tonight......

It's still a great day/decade to be a Shocker!


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[shockerfan13]

Being a walkon will likely start tonight....I say we lose again...and probably badly.

[MoValley John]

This is turning into an offensive clinic!

21-20 UNI.

[MoValley John]

22-20 Panthers.

[MoValley John]

Panthers unconscious on the treys. I think they've hit 6 for 6. Gris hurt, bad news.

[MoValley John]

Panthers on a run, up 6.

[MoValley John]

How about a little help from Panther/ Shox fans, I can't do it all!

[MoValley John]

29-26.

[MoValley John]

Scoring is slowing down, sounds like it's getting sloppy.

[GoCatsGo]

33-31 Panthers at the half.

[TrueBlueJay]

Creighton has started a walk on every single game this season. No excuses.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

Creighton has started a walk on every single game this season. No excuses.


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[Dawg_tired]

Shockers. I heard last night that the players really don't like your new coach and that he's lost the team. What do you think?

[Dawg_tired]

The announcer on the stream says, "What is it about Wichita State that lights up bad three point shooters." Pretty funny. Drake used to make them All-Americans.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

Shockers. I heard last night that the players really don't like your new coach and that he's lost the team. What do you think?

i would say that you were pretty stupid

[Strike00]

if anyone is interested in the game: UNI up 9 with under 3:00 left. Coleman to the line.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

I would say you're a richard for replying to a legit question in such an asinine way.


you know thats not a legit question

[getreal4]

tks Strike! Back to basketball please!

[Strike00]

WSU with a late run. UNI up 5 with 1:20 left.

[Strike00]

cousinard fouls out. Koch to the line.

makes first
makes second

up 7

[Strike00]

UNI wins 65-58. :panthers:

[Pantherpower]

Nice road win and confidence builder for the Panthers. Hopefully, they can keep it rolling.:panthers:

[WSUbballer]

Nice win Panthers.

A few observations from the game:

1.) We suck.. badly.
2.) UNI can't miss at the line.
3.) I've never seen a coach (Jacobsen) whine so much after getting the benefit of so many foul calls.
4.) Eric Coleman is still a thug.

We're back to minus two starters again. So much for taking advantage of our little home stand.

We will be lucky to win 4 Valley games all year. The only Valley team we've beaten comes into Koch Saturday night..

And finally, I told ya WSU at -2.5 was free money.

[chairclanger]

Frequent VT lurker, rare poster. I checked this thread to see if that incredible nuisance, coldblooded was still missing in action. Everyone needs to remind him of his annoying tendency toward non-stop posting when the shocks are doing well, and disappearance when things are going poorly. I propose a new name for clod: Mr. Bandwagon

[Panthera Pardus]

4.) Eric Coleman is still a thug.

This is HILARIOUS coming from a group of people who adored Howard back in the day and his shenanigans.

[WSUbballer]

4.) Eric Coleman is still a thug.

This is HILARIOUS coming from a group of people who adored Howard back in the day and his shenanigans.

Howard was just a little whiny baby. I can admit that. Coleman has, is, and always will be a thug.

The sad thing about UNI fans though is they can't just admit it.

[WSUbballer]

Frequent VT lurker, rare poster. I checked this thread to see if that incredible nuisance, coldblooded was still missing in action. Everyone needs to remind him of his annoying tendency toward non-stop posting when the shocks are doing well, and disappearance when things are going poorly. I propose a new name for clod: Mr. Bandwagon

He actually posted in this thread in case you didn't see.

Is it ironic for a guy with 3 posts who's calling out a poster on being a bandwagoner finally posts after his team wins?

[shockerfan13]

Shox bad luck continues....Griskenas tore his ACL and MCL.

[TrueBlueJay]

He actually posted in this thread in case you didn't see.

Is it ironic for a guy with 3 posts who's calling out a poster on being a bandwagoner finally posts after his team wins?

Pretty certain chairclanger is a Creighton fan.

[WSUbballer]

Pretty certain chairclanger is a Creighton fan.

Thanks for the info.

Even more reason to wonder why a CU lurker would bother wasting time posting useless junk in a WSU-UNI thread. Then again, it is a CU lurker..

[chairclanger]

1. You don't even know who my team is.
2. Sometimes it's better to step away from the keyboard when you have nothing to say.
3. Fan who doesn't read Valleytalk= WSU is OK
Fan who reads Valleytalk= Despises the shockers
I have met quite a few WSU fans in St. Louis and have thoroughly enjoyed talking basketball with knowledgeble, polite Valley fans. A minority of blowhard posters to this board are doing your University and fanbase a disservice.

[bcrawf]

I am a UNI fan that will admit that EC is a little thuggy...

I will disagree with number 3, Jake can't help it, he was Mac's top assistant for years and years, it simply rubbed off on him...

[Strike00]

Shox bad luck continues....Griskenas tore his ACL and MCL.

thats too bad, never want to hear that. Is he a senior or does he have eligibility left?

[MoValley John]

He actually posted in this thread in case you didn't see.

Is it ironic for a guy with 3 posts who's calling out a poster on being a bandwagoner finally posts after his team wins?

Yep, I agree.

[WSUbballer]

1. You don't even know who my team is.
2. Sometimes it's better to step away from the keyboard when you have nothing to say.
3. Fan who doesn't read Valleytalk= WSU is OK
Fan who reads Valleytalk= Despises the shockers
I have met quite a few WSU fans in St. Louis and have thoroughly enjoyed talking basketball with knowledgeble, polite Valley fans. A minority of blowhard posters to this board are doing your University and fanbase a disservice.

Just interesting timing and location of your 3rd/4th posts.. that's all. I can agree with your last sentence, although I don't think it's something just limited to WSU.

Back to the game. UNI fans, I don't mean to come off as a total dick. Veith is a sniper from downtown. I really can't understand why your record isn't any better. You have the whole inside-outside game down. I'm guessing all you're missing is the consistency. Beating WSU doesn't say much this year - even on the road - especially since you guys have done that like 3 or 4 teams in a row now.

I'm sorry I brought up the whole Coleman thing again. The guy's a good player and has obviously worked on his FT's (at least for this game.. :grin: ), but man he just needs to take it down a notch. Props to him for causing Cooz to pick up his 4th foul. A whaling flop into the lane untouched and he got the ref to ring up a foul. Very clever.

It's not an insult to the UNI program at all, just for me personally, that's how I think about him. Some people just have inherent personalities that can't be changed. I think this case is the perfect example.

Again, nice win.

[Omahaboundshock]

At least baseball season starts in about a month.

I am not sure our basketball team is going to win another Valley game.

Hopefully we will at least win the bracket busters game.

[MoValley John]

I'm sorry I brought up the whole Coleman thing again. The guy's a good player and has obviously worked on his FT's (at least for this game.. :grin: ), but man he just needs to take it down a notch. Props to him for causing Cooz to pick up his 4th foul. A whaling flop into the lane untouched and he got the ref to ring up a foul. Very clever.

Coleman must have worked on his acting since the Creighton game. When he flopped then, all that happened was the officials let the game go and Jake got Tee'd up.

[Khan4Cats]

I think UNI's inside game continues to play big and the guards flow better with the modifications made in our offense for MSU. As long as WSU isn't another team to have season high three-point fest on us, I see UNI winning a lower-scoring game and pulling away at the end on free throws.

UNI 66
WSU 58

Dang, now I'm worried about that Drake 140, UNI 0 prediction in the other thread.:fear:

Game played out as I thought, though I was worried with how Mekel started that he would be playing on adrenaline all game and carry the Shocks in some superhuman way. Gutty effort by that kid.

Sad to hear about Griskenas, our broadcast said it was a collision of knees off-ball after our player passed the ball. Hopefully he can get everything fixed.

Durley sounds like he could be a tough match-up for years. Why was he redshirted? I thought you were rather thin in the post last year.

I'll try to answer WSUBaller a little:

Yes, Coleman's a thug, but he's our thug:grin: He is a tough tough player, and I think he gets away with some stuff, gets called for other dumb stuff, etc. I have a problem with the fact that he sometimes takes plays off, especially on the defensive end if his offensive game isn't going. Sounded like he was into it tonight 6 assists to 2 turnovers, to go along with his scoring and boards. We'll miss him next year (I'm sure you won't) but you also saw that we have Eglseder and Koch able to step in and O'Rear is getting some good minutes as a freshman (we also have a pair of 6'10 guys for next year-1 is a redshirt, 1 will next year; and Koch's younger (bigger) brother)

I wonder if some of Jake's complaining had to do with the fact that there were 8 combined fouls called in the first half and 20+ in the second. Ah, MVC Officiating: Consistently Inconsistent.

The last comment about our outside shooting; that's what we have been waiting for all year. Viet started the season cold but has gone 10-14 (9-13 from 3) since he was put into the starting line-up. The surprise tonight was Koch going 2-2 from deep (he was 2-24 last year and 1-13 so far this year) while Josten (40%+ shooter) goes 0-4. We are a much different team when we can connect from outside because very few teams can defend our inside guys 1 on 1.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

thats too bad, never want to hear that. Is he a senior or does he have eligibility left?

hes a junior with 1 year of eligibility left.

However the word is torn ACL and MCL and as far as I know they havent mentioned which knee it was. He tore his ACL while in junior college as well. Coach commented that he might not ever get to play again.

[tmmroy]

Nice win UNI, didn't get to see the game, but I'm looking forward to the game on Saturday, already a sellout:grin: so it should be fun.

[NoPlaceLikeDome]

I'm liking how UNI is playing with more aggression lately, especially with Koch. It definitely helps with Adam Viet being able to knock down the three as well.

Hopefully they can take this momentum into Drake.

[iSASO]

Congrats on the win. You can certainly count on WSU to bring a dull knife to the gun fight this season.

[shockerfan13]

Congrats on the win. You can certainly count on WSU to bring a dull knife to the gun fight this season.

dull knife? Hell it's freakin rubber!!!

[WSUfan]

4.) Eric Coleman is still a thug.

This is HILARIOUS coming from a group of people who adored Howard back in the day and his shenanigans.

I agree. It's not (just) Coleman who is a thug. The entire UNI team consists of thugs. Torn ACL and torn MCL (and no foul on UNI) because of an UNI player.

[NoPlaceLikeDome]

I certainly understand calling Coleman a thug, and I would agree with that to an extent. But our entire team?

If Adam Koch, Kerwin Dunham, Adam Viet, and Jordan Egelseder are considered thugs, times are a changin'. We Iowans know how to roll!

[outpost]

Shut up Noplace.

Good game, take it and go on......bye now.

[NoPlaceLikeDome]

Man, it was a joke, settle down.

[outpost]

Man, it was a joke, settle down.

If you're trying to be a comedienne, you are doing a poor job of identifying your audience. :no:

[Dawg_tired]

I've been told by players and former players that Coleman is the most disliked players by the opposition. Arrogant, dirty and out for himself is what I've heard. And he's a big talker apparently.

I'd still like to know what shocker fans think of the relationship the new coach has with the team. At the CU game I heard he's having Rick Majearus (sp?) issues. He didn't pick them and they didn't pick him. The guy I spoke with said the team has quit on him. It didn't look that way last night, but it did look like a few players said screw it I'm gonna shoot whether he wants me to or not. That happened at Drake with Kanaskie. What do you think?

[WSUfan]

DT: I think the relationship between Marshall and the team is fine. Gal Mekel is working his tail off to get better. PJ is improving. RC is doing better. Hatch is become better. I think next year will be a good one for WSU. (Can this year end now? Please!!)

[Dawg_tired]

That's good to hear. Cupboard must have been bare.

[C0|db|00ded]

The cupboard wasn't completely bare at the beginning of the season... but whatever WAS in the cupboard has been knocked off the shelves and broken all over the kitchen floor. We aren't using our players, we are consuming them entirely. I just wish we could stop playing now... We must be setting a Shocker record for minutes played by walkons.


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[C0|db|00ded]

Frequent VT lurker, rare poster. I checked this thread to see if that incredible nuisance, coldblooded was still missing in action. Everyone needs to remind him of his annoying tendency toward non-stop posting when the shocks are doing well, and disappearance when things are going poorly. I propose a new name for clod: Mr. Bandwagon

If you send me a Valleytalk t-shirt or hat I will sign it for you! :lol:


It's a great day to be a Shocker!


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[DUBulldog]

The cupboard wasn't completely bare at the beginning of the season... but whatever WAS in the cupboard has been knocked off the shelves and broken all over the kitchen floor. We aren't using our players, we are consuming them entirely. I just wish we could stop playing now... We must be setting a Shocker record for minutes played by walkons.

Drake has won 4 games this month with 3 guys in the starting line-up who came to Drake as walk-ons. It's the Tom Davis recruiting methodology. :cool:

[Mc Bulldog]

Thank ye .. thank e berry much.

[iSASO]

I can't think of a single player who has quit on Marshall. Arbry Butler quit on himself so he doesn't count.

Gal Mekel had a 103-degree temperature several hours before the game and was listed as OUT. However, he got dressed and dragged his sick butt out there and gave it all he had, playing 35 minutes and scoring 12 points. He had the best excuse imaginable to avoid playing, but he didn't.

The horses hitched to the wagon are pulling hard, there just aren't enough of them collectively strong enough to pull it over the hill.

[Fraydog]

I think that WSU will be a beast next year... this year, they've just been the object of 10 years of bad luck rolled into one.

They still have the foundations for a great program, but the bad luck just hit them like a ton of bricks.

[iSASO]

I've been told by players and former players that Coleman is the most disliked players by the opposition. Arrogant, dirty and out for himself is what I've heard. And he's a big talker apparently.

I'd still like to know what shocker fans think of the relationship the new coach has with the team. At the CU game I heard he's having Rick Majearus (sp?) issues. He didn't pick them and they didn't pick him. The guy I spoke with said the team has quit on him. It didn't look that way last night, but it did look like a few players said screw it I'm gonna shoot whether he wants me to or not. That happened at Drake with Kanaskie. What do you think?

Dawg_Tired, here's another "you decide" if the team has quit on Marshall:

During the Bradley game, Phil Thomasson was smacked in the face under his own basket and went to the floor (no whistle). Bradley got the ball and the other 9 players went down the floor. Bradley put up a rather quick shot and missed. A WSU player got the rebound and turned up the court. About that time Thomasson was waking up and saw what was happening. He stumbled to his feet and moved the 6 feet to put himself under the basket. He received a nice pass right into his hands and layed it up for a score.

If you don't care and hate the coach, why give that kind of effort?

He later crashed into the basket support and went to the locker room with a twisted ankle. He came back out and played the rest of the game.

Again, if you hate the coach, why bother playing with that grit and determination? It would be much easier to join the rest of the team in the Triage Unit.

[Dawg_tired]

I didn't say I beleived that they had given up, I said I heard it in Omaha. Effort is a key indicator.

[iSASO]

Obviously we probably can't do anything to inform the guy in Omaha that he has mis-interpreted the situation in Wichita, but I guess it's safe to say that you no longer have a question on this issue?

[RoyalShock]

I didn't say I beleived that they had given up, I said I heard it in Omaha. Effort is a key indicator.

Dawg_tired, in an earlier post the person you spoke with said something about guys shooting away as a sign of them giving up.

Marshall has given the green light to everyone except Ramon Clemente, to shoot any open shot. It even appears that in an earlier game, he took Wendell Preadom out for passing up a wide open three (Preadom is an awful shooter). It appears that Marshall's philosophy is that you don't get many open looks so you better shoot when one comes along.

We do have one freshman, JT Durley, who puts up some questionable shots, but I chalk that up to being a little over-confident.

This team definitely hasn't quit. I've seen more fight in them than in many of Turgeon's teams. In Saturday's game there is no way a Turgeon-led team would have mounted a 13-pt comeback (from down 21 to down 8).

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

I still stand by what I said earlier in this thread about him stirring up ca ca.

[shockball]

McBulldog is the one that told him. I saw pictures of them talking about it. DT are you still wearing the wedding ring?

[Dawg_tired]

Obviously we probably can't do anything to inform the guy in Omaha that he has mis-interpreted the situation in Wichita, but I guess it's safe to say that you no longer have a question on this issue?

You never know who knows something and who knows nothing. Losing does things to your head. There have been years at Drake when players are pointing fingers at each other, rolling the eyes at the coach and not giving their best effort. Times when players stop playing as a team. I remember when Gary Garner was coach and Lewis Lloyds brother was point guard. I don't think Drake had scored 60 points in a game all year. Creighton comes to town with Benoit Benjamin and Daryl Lloyd goes completely off the play book and we be CU by7 about 30 and score over 100 in the last game of the season. We all scratched our heads and wondered where that was all year. IMO, Daryl said FI I'm going to play. I'm done.

[iSASO]

I suspect that your question might have been legit, but I also recognize that you might be asking this as a way to stir something up. Either way, if your question has been answered, fine. If your goal was to stir the ca ca some more I will continue providing real-life evidence that may cause your stir-stick to be ripped from your hands and used to beat you about the head and shoulders.
And in all fairness, I will continue to look for cases that might indicate that Marshall has lost the team.

[Dawg_tired]

Come on. You've known me long enough that when I want to stir the ca ca, I stir the ca ca.

[DUBulldog]

FWIW, I heard the same guy in Omaha that Dawg_Tired did.....the guy doing the talking is somewhat "in-the-know", although I don't think he's as in-the-know as he thinks he is.

[iSASO]

Lets just recognize that actions on the floor speak louder than words from someone in Omaha.

I also understand that if you wanted to convince yourself that the team has quit on Marshall you could do it, and it would be far more entertaining that way. But maybe a person could be like Christopher Columbus and live in reality instead of distant conjecture.