BEARS VS ACES THREAD

[Clawinball]

Can we go on the road and finally win one, I hope so! :bears:ranting:

[smsandmsuson]

Can we go on the road and finally win one, I hope so! :bears:ranting:

Its Evansville. They beat a better team last year and I expect the same this year. Aces by two after Fury throws up another 25 foot three and air balls

Aces-60
Bears-58

[AceGargantua]

Can we go on the road and finally win one, I hope so! :bears:ranting:

Can we finally win one...period?!! We're dyin' over here!

:aces:

[Clawinball]

This post isn't getting much action, people must really not care about this game! :shutup: :sleeping: :bears:

[WSUfan]

We're too tense to post about the game. :innocent:

[JerryBearSeinfeld]

Bears 82
Purple guys 65

[AceGargantua]

ACES 72
Bears 67

UE has been going back and forth between good game and bad game all season. Well, they've had two stinkers in a row, so...they've been saving up for this one.

:aces:

[Clawinball]

ACES 72
Bears 67

UE has been going back and forth between good game and bad game all season. Well, they've had two stinkers in a row, so...they've been saving up for this one.

:aces: That would just be our luck.... :cursing: :bears:

[Ricky Del Rio]

You know what would be great?

It would be great, if Evanville beats the Bars.

Then Bee Line could make another appearance on this esteemed forum and provide us with his game analysis and of course, a trashing of the Evansville coach.

By the way, Bee Line, how is your analysis of Coach Hinson's future coming along?

Unfortunately, the Bars are favored over Evansville, which is winless in conference play and are just one notch below near winless Wichita State Shockers in the standings.

:aces: :aces: :aces: :aces: :aces: :aces: :aces:

[Clawinball]

You know what would be great?

It would be great, if Evanville beats the Bars.

Then Bee Line could make another appearance on this esteemed forum and provide us with his game analysis and of course, a trashing of the Evansville coach.

By the way, Bee Line, how is your analysis of Coach Hinson's future coming along?

Unfortunately, the Bars are favored over Evansville, which is winless in conference play and are just one notch below near winless Wichita State Shockers in the standings.

:aces: :aces: :aces: :aces: :aces: :aces: :aces: Why do you have such a hardon for Beeline? :shutup:

[AcePurple]

Evansville wins tonight, not surprised if it's a blowout. Lots of pent up frustration due to come pouring out. Not saying we won't lose 8 in a row right after, but tonight will be good. Then we can all watch the Bears fan say it was all Barry's fault.

Evansville 90
Mo St 20

[Nyghtewynd]

Why do you have such a hardon for Beeline? :shutup:

Because he doesn't have a basketball team to follow.

Seriously--I've been expecting a MSU loss all week. This would be a classic loss to end the season and head for the play-in game.

[jb399]

Hopefully there will be a big crowd at Roberts tonight. It's Hoops for the Cure night to raise money for breast cancer research. $2 gets you into the womens and mens games.

[SycamoreFanatic]

I'm thinking the Aces get their first Valley win in this one. The Aces won't go winless in the conference at home and D'Bears could be the first victim?

:yes:

[Canevision]

I'm thinking the Bears are going to use the win over SIU to get them fired up again. If Barry is smart and just plays his best five (Cooks, Deven, Dale, Spencer, Dex) a majority of the game, we should take this one.

:bears:

[Clawinball]

I'm thinking the Bears are going to use the win over SIU to get them fired up again. If Barry is smart and just plays his best five (Cooks, Deven, Dale, Spencer, Dex) a majority of the game, we should take this one.

:bears: See there's the problem with that, Barry is not smart! :lol: :doh::shutup: :banghead:

[Canevision]

I want Barry fired as much as the next guy, but Barry isn't an awful in-game strategist, he just tries to out smart everyone else at times. He isn't an awful recruiter, he just isn't as good as his rep leads you to believe. He isn't an awful coach.

He just isn't a good one, he's mediocre. Which is exactly what the MSU program will continue to be with him at the helm, unless he wises up and sticks with one system, one substitution pattern for the most part, and recruits and coaches to that system he is going to hitch his wagon to.

If he hippety hops from one strategy to the next tonight, I'm going to throw my remote at the the tv. If he is smart, plays a solid attack the basket style, with the occasional pressure defense, all while playing his best players, I'll be happy. Win or lose, I'll be happy if we do that (happier if we win).

:bears:

[MoValley John]

See there's the problem with that, Barry is not smart! :lol: :doh::shutup: :banghead:

But if the Bears win, does Barry get some credit, or is this a one way street?

[Clawinball]

But if the Bears win, does Barry get some credit, or is this a one way street? He needs to get the hell out of Dodge either way! :yes:

[bleach]

But if the Bears win, does Barry get some credit, or is this a one way street?With most bears fans winning is not defined as 3rd place finishes. Game by game it's pretty much a 1 way street though. When we lose it's weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. When we win, well that's the way it should have been all along. Barry is a mediocre coach......just good enough to escape losing his job.

[Nyghtewynd]

Does he get "credit" if he beats Evansville? As much credit as you get for beating Evansville. Whatever that is.

[BearsCountry]

Aces up 11 with 2 and half to go in the first. Classic Barry Hinson.

[thrifty31]

Fuermeyer sucks big time......Loser

[BearsCountry]

Down 21 now.

[douglasdmb]

Terrible...this might be the low point of Barry's tenure. Decent teams (forget about good) don't get throttled by teams like Evansville.

With the Bears losing most of their contributors after this year, the MSU administration has GOT to see that it's time for a change.

[Strike00]

Wow... definately didn't expect this.

[Keita44]

Evansville is dominating this game....not even close.

[Coasterbill42]

Bears fans, use http://bearnation.freeforums.org/index.php while the other board is out.

[Coasterbill42]

Terrible...this might be the low point of Barry's tenure. Decent teams (forget about good) don't get throttled by teams like Evansville.

With the Bears losing most of their contributors after this year, the MSU administration has GOT to see that it's time for a change.

If Barry is back next year I will consider not attending any games.

[Dawg_tired]

If Hinson survives this game, fire the University. Bears. I feel your kanaskie.

[douglasdmb]

UE wins, 84-65.

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[Ace Dad]

Hinson could win the NCAA championship and some of the Bear fans would complain that they only won by 10 points.

[douglasdmb]

Hinson could win the NCAA championship and some of the Bear fans would complain that they only won by 10 points.

I agree with you, but some fans tend to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm usually one of those fans. When you have five seniors and lose by 19 to the #260 RPI team, the wheels have officially fallen off the bus.

[BearChief]

Hinson could win the NCAA championship and some of the Bear fans would complain that they only won by 10 points.

You have got to be joking. Just because Aces fans would be thrilled with going to the NIT every other year doesn't mean we should be. You don't have a stake in it, so mind your own business.

The guy is a joke of a coach who just got thrashed by the worst team in the conference. He's done NOTHING in nine years. He absolutely must be fired this year or there may be a revolt in Springfield.

[Ace Dad]

Bear Chief:

What stake do you have in Bear basketball?

[jaypharmalum]

If CU doesn't win the MVC tourney, I hope MSU does. I'd like to see Barry keep his job.

[BearChief]

Bear Chief:

What stake do you have in Bear basketball?

I'm a fan. A season ticket holder. A person who purchases Bears merchandise, and who, for 15+ years has rearranged his life to accommodate his passion for Bears basketball.

Go ahead and tell me that doesn't constitute a "stake". Whatever. I don't care. You know what I meant.

[bleach]

Hinson could win the NCAA championship and some of the Bear fans would complain that they only won by 10 points.You should have hired him then.....he was interested. He wanted a low expectations job.

[douglasdmb]

You should have hired him then.....he was interested. He wanted a low expectations job.

:clap:

[Ace Dad]

Chief, hang in there. MSU will one day fire Barry, and then you can piss and moan about the new coach. Your 15 years should have taught you that basketball coaching is a vicious cycle:

1. Fire the bastard.

2. Hire a new coach.

3. Fans love the new coach.

4. Team fails to make the NCAAs.

5. Fire the bastard...............

[Pocket Aces]

It feels good to come home after an Aces "W". It was a long dry spell.

Holsinger was lighting it up tonight. He shoots from places you'd never think anyone would shoot from.

Ely hurt his ankle and it didn't look good. He was putting zero weight on it as he was helped off the floor. Looks initially like he'll miss quite some time. Before getting hurt, he brought the crowd to their feet with a back-door alley-oop jam on a feed from Holsinger.

The Aces pushed the ball much more this evening and attacked much more on the offensive end. A nice change from grinding out possessions and ending up with horrible looks with under five seconds on the shot clock.

Hopefully there are a few more conference wins to come.

[MoValley John]

http://blog.b92.net/arhiva/files/images/mushroom_cloud.preview.jpg

Bears fans are the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

[Bigcityp]

Not sure how much "go" post anymore but in his own words:

"Friekin Evanville...":grin:

[douglasdmb]

Chief, hang in there. MSU will one day fire Barry, and then you can piss and moan about the new coach. Your 15 years should have taught you that basketball coaching is a vicious cycle:

1. Fire the bastard.

2. Hire a new coach.

3. Fans love the new coach.

4. Team fails to make the NCAAs.

5. Fire the bastard...............

OR, there's the alternative that programs like SIU, WSU, and the :bears: have enjoyed.

1. Fan-favorite coach leaves for greener pastures, leaving a prominent, winning program behind.

2. New coach comes in, winning continues.

3. Big money schools come calling for coach, coach leaves prominent, winning program behind.

4. New coach comes in, winning continues, and so on, and so on.

[Panthera Pardus]

And here I thought UE had the chance to go 0-18 in Valley play... oh well, thanks BARRY! :aces:

[E-Villan]

OR, there's the alternative that programs like SIU, WSU, and the :bears: have enjoyed.

1. Fan-favorite coach leaves for greener pastures, leaving a prominent, winning program behind.

2. New coach comes in, winning continues.

3. Big money schools come calling for coach, coach leaves prominent, winning program behind.

4. New coach comes in, winning continues, and so on, and so on.

And this applies to MSU how?

[ACES..ACES]

Great Job Aces and Congrats To Marty on his 1st MVC win over...SWMSU..:doh:

:aces::aces::aces::aces::aces::aces::aces:

[douglasdmb]

And this applies to MSU how?

I was referring to when coaches like Alford and Spoonhour have led MSU to national success (tourney appearances/victories) and have then been snatched up by other programs with more money.

I know the cycle doesn't go quite that way for MSU as it has for SIU, but my general point was that successful, mid-major coaches usually leave for greener pastures.

[goaces]

Why do I feel like the Aces just won the National Championship?

Don't be too down MSU fans. Yes, the Aces do suck. But they weren't going to go winless and they were due for a strong game. Just bad timing for the Bears.

Yeah, I know most of you hate Hinson. Personally, I feel the program hasn't been that bad under him. MSU got robbed from the NCAA - no fault of Barry.
Like Aces Dad stated, don't worry he'll be gone soon enough.

[bleach]

And this applies to MSU how?In 30 years we have fired a total of 1 coach (needs to be 2) The rest have been hired away because of their success. Sounds like what he was talking about to me.

[E-Villan]

In 30 years we have fired a total of 1 coach (needs to be 2) The rest have been hired away because of their success. Sounds like what he was talking about to me.

I will give you Alford, although Helmet Head wasn't all that popular..but are you really bragging about loosing Spoon to such a National Powerhouse as SLU????I guess we should start chest pounding about Crews going to Army...

[douglasdmb]

I will give you Alford, although Helmet Head wasn't all that popular..but are you really bragging about loosing Spoon to such a National Powerhouse as SLU????I guess we should start chest pounding about Crews going to Army...

Maybe a lateral move (at the time), but SLU had/has more money. Not to mention the fact that they played in a much better conference at that time and in a much bigger market.

[bleach]

I don't want to begrudge the Aces their win, just frustrated at losing to a bad team because the team has quit their coach. Can any of you Aces fans honestly say the Bears were anywhere in the state of Indiana tonight? Was there any concern or frustration in my team?

[Nyghtewynd]

Or they could follow Evansville's pattern:

1. Stink
2. Stink
3. Beat MSU
4. Stink
5. Stink

Told ya they'd lose. Hinson's finished. When you lose to a disgrace of a program this often, you're done. The only thing left to do is talk about replacements. MSU fans will now have a big celebration on Friday at the tournament when Hinson is fired.

[goaces]

Never was a big fan of Alford as a coach and still am not. Got hot at the last part of the season with the Bears years ago and went to the sweet sixteen. Has done next to nothing since.

[E-Villan]

See...it wasn't Barry's fault!

"I guarantee you our staff didn't take this game lightly, but our players did," said MSU coach Barry Hinson. "Going in we said you have to guard Holsinger and (Shy) Ely and they go out and get 45 points between them. Even if we play well, they still win, but that doesn't change the fact I'm as mad, frustrated and confused as I've ever been."

[MoValley John]

Since the Aces won, can I make fun of them again?

[jb399]

Great win for the Aces. Hopefully this is a corner turner of Simmons and the Aces. The Holsinger to Ely dunk was awesome!

Concerning the Ely injury. In Simmons post game interview on the radio, he said it was nothing more than a sprain and he shouldn't miss any time. UE will need him to give SIU a better game this time around.

[BearsCountry]

Hinson was the genius who put our worst defender on your best shooter. Brilliant move Barry.

[douglasdmb]

See...it wasn't Barry's fault!

"I guarantee you our staff didn't take this game lightly, but our players did," said MSU coach Barry Hinson. "Going in we said you have to guard Holsinger and (Shy) Ely and they go out and get 45 points between them. Even if we play well, they still win, but that doesn't change the fact I'm as mad, frustrated and confused as I've ever been."

TNMSUFAN said this over on boardnation, but even if Barry told our guys that we had to guard Holsinger and Ely, he put our worst perimeter defender (Fuehrmeyer) on Holsinger. The result, he puts up 28 points.

As for the players "taking this game lightly", whose fault is that? Doesn't the coach have any effect on how his players are mentally when they play? I've never seen any of Altman's teams come out unagressive or ambivalent. Maybe someone else has, I don't know. Tolliver, Funk, Stinnett, Korver, etc...they all were mentally tough and wanted to kick the crap out of you. This year's matchup between CU and MSU in Springfield is the perfect example. The younger CU players were more mentally prepared when the game was on the line (on the road, no less) than the more veteran Bears were.

If you ask me, the team's overall attitude is a direct reflection of the coaching staff.

[E-Villan]

I totally agree. I have thought you guys were a little hard on Barry in the past but it appears he is drawing lines, passing the buck and throwing the team under the bus. Interesting how the team responds to that.

I went back and re-read Simmons comments after an equally embarrassing blowout in Terre Haute last Wednesday.

"They were better prepared to play than we were and they outcompeted us," said Marty Simmons, the Aces' first-year coach. "They just whipped us.

"No. 1, Indiana State did a good job, But after the way we played the first time we played this season (a 70-56 home loss), I thought we'd be ready to play. We competed as well the last two days in practice as we have all year. Then we didn't bring it to the game."

[AcePurple]

You have got to be joking. Just because Aces fans would be thrilled with going to the NIT every other year doesn't mean we should be. You don't have a stake in it, so mind your own business.

The guy is a joke of a coach who just got thrashed by the worst team in the conference. He's done NOTHING in nine years. He absolutely must be fired this year or there may be a revolt in Springfield.

Your team's not that good, no matter who the coach. Maybe with better coach we'd have only beaten you by 12.

[AcePurple]

Or they could follow Evansville's pattern:

1. Stink
2. Stink
3. Beat MSU
4. Stink
5. Stink

Told ya they'd lose. Hinson's finished. When you lose to a disgrace of a program this often, you're done. The only thing left to do is talk about replacements. MSU fans will now have a big celebration on Friday at the tournament when Hinson is fired.

MSU is a mediocre program at best. You'll still be mediocre when you get your next coach. Maybe SIU should fire Lowery for losing at Evansville, a "disgrace of a program" for 2 straight years.

WAAH, WAAH, WAAH, We're sore losers, WAAH, WAAH!

[Ace Dad]

Night-Wind or "The Passing of Gas in the Night said:

Or they could follow Evansville's pattern:

1. Stink
2. Stink
3. Beat MSU
4. Stink
5. Stink

I love Valleytalk. Only the best basketball analysis here. Remember, always respect your opponent. Respect your opponent when you are a better team. It is alwasy easier to throw stones at the coach then to dissect the program. The best programs and teams sometimes lose to weaker programs or teams. It is called college basketball. MSU could get the best coach in basketball and some of your fans would not like the color of his socks.

[Nyghtewynd]

MSU may be mediocre, but they've always had more going on than the length of the uniform sleeves. So when are the sleeves coming back, anyway?

[smsandmsuson]

Just get Barry the f out of here. 9 years is more then enough to put in a system, recruit to that system, win games and make at least one Dance appearance. Hes done nothing while being here. The program is in worse shape then it was when he got here. If the administration wont can him for that, I dont know what the hell they are trying to do. Everything that the lovers have laid back on "Good for the community" or "Players never get into trouble" are now gone as well. He is a fraud and should have never gotten the chance that he did. Barry, go back to OK, find a high school team that sucks, build them up and all will be happy. Barry, you suck and no one likes you

[UE-BBALL#1]

Just out of curiousity...

Evansville probably has one of the smallest student sections in the conference, usually with only 20-30 students standing in the front. At least once per game, the police come over to either warn or remove someone from the section. Is this normal at most schools or does the stadium security staff just overreact that much?

[BearChief]

Your team's not that good, no matter who the coach. Maybe with better coach we'd have only beaten you by 12.

That's the point, genius. The team sucks. Who's fault is that?


MSU is a mediocre program at best. You'll still be mediocre when you get your next coach.


If we're a mediocre program, what's that make Evansville? I hate to sound like Barry Hinson, but 20 win seasons and post-season appearances beat the crap out of the product Evansville has put on the floor for the last nine years.

Maybe SIU should fire Lowery for losing at Evansville, a "disgrace of a program" for 2 straight years.


Yeah, because that's exactly the same thing. Lowery's accomplished just a few other things to make up for losses at the basketball wasteland that is UE.

[jb399]

I don't know how bright of an idea it is to call a place a "basketball wasteland" when you just left that "wasteland" with a 19 point loss hanging from you.

[Ricky Del Rio]

Why do you have such a hardon for Beeline? :shutup:

Only one reason - he is an @sshole.

[AceGargantua]

Are all MSU fans babies? UE fans moaned and groaned about Merfeld for a couple years, but we never knocked other teams who stomped us. Take your beating and be on your way.

:aces:

[Ricky Del Rio]

I never thought I would say this, but there is a chance the Bars will be playing with the Shockers on Thursday.

How does the pairing work? Does the 7 seed play the last seed, the Shuckers?

[BearChief]

Are all MSU fans babies? UE fans moaned and groaned about Merfeld for a couple years, but we never knocked other teams who stomped us. Take your beating and be on your way.

:aces:

I didn't start any of this. It began when Ace Dad tried to stir the pot by telling us that we should be happy with Barry. Then some other Aces fan got upset at us for stating the obvious - that Evansville is the league doormat.

I don't know how bright of an idea it is to call a place a "basketball wasteland" when you just left that "wasteland" with a 19 point loss hanging from you.

When Evansville manages to avoid the play-in round of the Valley tournament, I'll take it back. Until then, an annual appearance on Thursday night merits the comment.

[AcePurple]

None of this changes the fact that MSU does, in fact, suck, Hinson or no Hinson.

[AcePurple]

MSU may be mediocre, but they've always had more going on than the length of the uniform sleeves. So when are the sleeves coming back, anyway?

Like what? Tell me, really, what have you had going on in the last 10 years?

[AcePurple]

The main thing you crybaby Bear fans don't seem to grasp is this: we know our team sucks, duh!! Look at our record the last several years. But we don't generally act like little sissies and try to diss other teams when we lose. We used to blame Merfeld just like you blame Barry. "Gosh, this is rockbottom that we lost to such a horrible program like Evansville". You make comments like that, you're picking fights, period. As if your team is among the Valley elite or something, gimme a break, not even close! I called this game a blowout back on page 1 of this thread, b/c I knew the Bears are crap on the road. Thanks for making sure we won at least one this year!

[Nyghtewynd]

I don't care one bit what you think about MSU or the coaching situation. But I still haven't heard about the sleeves. They're so cute!

[AcePurple]

I don't care one bit what you think about MSU or the coaching situation. But I still haven't heard about the sleeves. They're so cute!

Sorry, not bringing 'em back! Except maybe once a year. I'm glad you liked them, though, I never really did.


Sorry if that wasn't the reaction you were fishing for, but that's like me trying to make you mad by saying "why don't you just go back to being called SMS?" :no: Weak, exactly.

[smsandmsuson]

None of this changes the fact that MSU does, in fact, suck, Hinson or no Hinson.

No, if we had a coach who knew what lineups to use and use the players abilities to their best, we would be at least 3 games better. Spencer is a PG, Barry sticks him at SG. Fury is a D3 player, Barry sticks him at a D1 starting PG. Spencer, Shane, Cooks, Deven, Dale is our best lineup. Barry plays a lineup of Brock, Fury, Cooks, Knapp, Jehle more then enough of the time. A good coach would know when the play he drew up is not working and call a timeout. Barry insists that it is the players fault that it didnt work and ends the game with TO's to spare. Barry sucks, the players dont

[Nyghtewynd]

They should bring them back for good. I don't understand why EU wants to be like everyone else when it comes to that.

[AcePurple]

They should bring them back for good. I don't understand why EU wants to be like everyone else when it comes to that.

I don't know either! Good luck the rest of the way, though, SMS. You'd have been to at least 2 Final Four's by now had Alford stuck around.

[UE-BBALL#1]

I'm not really sure why some of you are taking this as an opportunity to bash Missouri State's program. It seems like lately there are a few Aces fans who say they realize we aren't good, but start flipping out whenever another poster notes the same facts.

If I were an MSU fan, I would be upset with Barry too. Obviously odds are Evansville wasn't going to go winless in conference play, but to be a fan of another team who has basically underachieved the past few seasons, coming in a losing to a team like Evansville is going to be frustrating as hell. The only reason I see for giving Hinson a break is that his better players (Cook, Mitchell) spent most of the game on the bench because they were picking up stupid fouls.

For the rest of the UE fans, it'd be best to grow some tougher skin. At this point in the season, any team we beat is going to view the loss as the lowpoint of their season. I think we all know this, so there is no reason to get upset when these fans vent their anger and frustration. UE is obviously building for years to come, and while it is good to win some and enjoy the victories we get, there is no reason to try to inflame other posters by bringing down their programs. It's not like we have room to talk.

[Nyghtewynd]

I'm not really sure why some of you are taking this as an opportunity to bash Missouri State's program. It seems like lately there are a few Aces fans who say they realize we aren't good, but start flipping out whenever another poster notes the same facts.

If I were an MSU fan, I would be upset with Barry too. Obviously odds are Evansville wasn't going to go winless in conference play, but to be a fan of another team who has basically underachieved the past few seasons, coming in a losing to a team like Evansville is going to be frustrating as hell. The only reason I see for giving Hinson a break is that his better players (Cook, Mitchell) spent most of the game on the bench because they were picking up stupid fouls.

For the rest of the UE fans, it'd be best to grow some tougher skin. At this point in the season, any team we beat is going to view the loss as the lowpoint of their season. I think we all know this, so there is no reason to get upset when these fans vent their anger and frustration. UE is obviously building for years to come, and while it is good to win some and enjoy the victories we get, there is no reason to try to inflame other posters by bringing down their programs. It's not like we have room to talk.

*DING*

Well played.

[Bear Phlegm]

I'm not really sure why some of you are taking this as an opportunity to bash Missouri State's program. It seems like lately there are a few Aces fans who say they realize we aren't good, but start flipping out whenever another poster notes the same facts.

If I were an MSU fan, I would be upset with Barry too. Obviously odds are Evansville wasn't going to go winless in conference play, but to be a fan of another team who has basically underachieved the past few seasons, coming in a losing to a team like Evansville is going to be frustrating as hell. The only reason I see for giving Hinson a break is that his better players (Cook, Mitchell) spent most of the game on the bench because they were picking up stupid fouls.

For the rest of the UE fans, it'd be best to grow some tougher skin. At this point in the season, any team we beat is going to view the loss as the lowpoint of their season. I think we all know this, so there is no reason to get upset when these fans vent their anger and frustration. UE is obviously building for years to come, and while it is good to win some and enjoy the victories we get, there is no reason to try to inflame other posters by bringing down their programs. It's not like we have room to talk.

Ding**

I concur - spot on :aces:

[bleach]

Like what? Tell me, really, what have you had going on in the last 10 years?Well...A sweet 16 for one, and numerous NITs under the current system which is underachieving so I think that we might have a reason to be upset about losing to the league doormat by 19 when it wasn't even that close. As soon as the starting lineup was announced all Bear fans cringed because there was no way Fury could guard Holsinger (which is why the great B started him).

[Ace Happy]

I'm not really sure why some of you are taking this as an opportunity to bash Missouri State's program. It seems like lately there are a few Aces fans who say they realize we aren't good, but start flipping out whenever another poster notes the same facts.

If I were an MSU fan, I would be upset with Barry too. Obviously odds are Evansville wasn't going to go winless in conference play, but to be a fan of another team who has basically underachieved the past few seasons, coming in a losing to a team like Evansville is going to be frustrating as hell. The only reason I see for giving Hinson a break is that his better players (Cook, Mitchell) spent most of the game on the bench because they were picking up stupid fouls.

For the rest of the UE fans, it'd be best to grow some tougher skin. At this point in the season, any team we beat is going to view the loss as the lowpoint of their season. I think we all know this, so there is no reason to get upset when these fans vent their anger and frustration. UE is obviously building for years to come, and while it is good to win some and enjoy the victories we get, there is no reason to try to inflame other posters by bringing down their programs. It's not like we have room to talk.

Amen. I seem to recall the Bears winning quite a few at Robert's Stadium in the recent past, so it is nice to beat the Bears convincingly and get a win at home. Unfortunately, this was one of the few games I missed. I went instead to see my two kids at Purdue and we all watched the Boilers take it to Wisconsin at a sold out Mackey Arena (14,000 plus - absolutely the loudest game I've ever seen). My youngest kid, a freshman in HS who came with us on the journey stated the obvious "Geez, seeing the energy in this place is a lot different than watching a UE game." So true, and sad too knowing the history of UE's packed houses of not that long ago (at least to this old guy).

[Ace Dad]

Ace Happy:

Two in college at the same time. Bless you. Bless you. ;)

[douglasdmb]

Wow...that escalated quickly. Bears suck, Aces suck...let's call a truce.

[BearChief]

Wow...that escalated quickly. Bears suck, Aces suck...let's call a truce.

Yeah, sounded like two bitter fan bases going at it.

[UE-BBALL#1]

Ace Happy, its too bad you couldn't make it to the game. Mostly due to the Hoops for the Cure event allowing people to stay around for the men's game as a discounted price, it was by far the best atmosphere there has been for a game at Roberts in the last 3-4 years. There were at least a couple thousand more fans than usual. But I suppose Purdue might have been close to the same.

[smsandmsuson]

I lay back on the fact that both teams would be pretty good in the SWAC. That has to count for something right?

[Aces101]

Sleeves are the only thing that UE is famous for? What about the numerous College Division National Championships that UE won? How about UE ending Ralph Miller's coaching career and sending Gary Payton home crying in the NCAA tournament?

UE also has a Hall-of-Fame coach in Arad McCutchan as well as producing some great players such as Jerry Sloan, Don Buse, Larry Humes, Scott Haffner, and Marty Simmons.

Rip on the Aces all you want.....but UE is rebuilding, are the Bears? Which team has the new coach and one senior? Which team won by 19 points?

By the way, Roberts Stadium did look like a waste land last night...the Aces took out the trash and deposited it directly into the dumpster.

What are you guys going to say when the City of Evansville announces that they are going to begin construction of a new 10,000-12,000 seat stadium on the downtown riverfront with an expected cost of $100 million. The program has a new coach who is bringing a new energy to the job. Give Simmons 2 more years to bring in his type of players and UE will be in the upper half of the Valley again. Combine that with the opening of a new stadium....it will be a good time to be an Aces fan.

[douglasdmb]

What are you guys going to say when the City of Evansville announces that they are going to begin construction of a new 10,000-12,000 seat stadium on the downtown riverfront with an expected cost of $100 million.

I don't know...maybe "congratulations."

:noexpression:

[AcePurple]

OK, OK, since it's obvious you're all talking about me: sorry! I was so excited after the game Saturday night, I didn't go onto ValleyTalk until yesterday, I come on here hoping to share the joy with other Aces fans and all I see is MSU fans posting what I took as disrepect. Not giving us any credit whatsoever.

We have to earn respect before people give us respect, I understand that. I just felt like they were pissing on my parade, that's all....

So, I apologize for escalating things.... for the record, I don't think MSU sucks, nor do I have any particular dislike for the program.... I was just getting caught up in the moment. But on the flipside, I don't expect any of the dissers to retract anything they said. I'll just roll over and be a doormat until we become respectable some day.

[E-Villan]

I don't know...maybe "congratulations."

:noexpression:


nice comeback..

101, you might want to read to the end of a thread before you unload.

[Aces101]

Sorry guys......it has been a loooooong year. When all you hear is negativity in the local public and see it on the MVC board, you get sick of it.

I apologize.....go MSU and UE....go Valley (as long as you do not still want to kick the Aces out of it)

[goaces]

As a life long Aces fan I have always had a tremendous amount of respect for MSU. Great town, great fans, and great teams.

Too many fans like to talk smack all the time, which doen't do much for me. But I also understand the emotions that go with the colege basketball. All of us here on this message board are much more alike that we are different.

[Ace Happy]

For our excited Aces fans, we need to remember that we will have the opportunity to play the Bears again on 2/16. Hopefully, we will not repeat the extreme embarassment of last season (an awful 106-54 loss on 1/9/07). Given our our recent 30 point loss on the road to the Trees, it is possible that the Bears will exact similiar revenge. Best to keep our passions focused on cheering our team's rare victories rather than letting a few message board posts get us riled up.

[AcePurple]

OK, I think some are milking this a bit now.... Just let it die!

[smsandmsuson]

For our excited Aces fans, we need to remember that we will have the opportunity to play the Bears again on 2/16. Hopefully, we will not repeat the extreme embarassment of last season (an awful 106-54 loss on 1/9/07). Given our our recent 30 point loss on the road to the Trees, it is possible that the Bears will exact similiar revenge. Best to keep our passions focused on cheering our team's rare victories rather than letting a few message board posts get us riled up.


No worries for that this year. We will probably be 4-10 in conference by then and nothing will be left. We are in a sad state here in Springfield, MO