Congrats to Drake 2007-2008 Valley champs

[DannyCooksey]

With Drake's win tonight coupled by a Birds and Jays loss, i think you can just about wrap up the Valley title for Drake.

They have a 3-game lead and it is nearly impossible for them to be caught now. In all reality, the only loss I see them suffering is in Carbondale. SIU is the only team that might be able to catch them, but at this point that would be a miracle. Drake would have to undergo a catyclismic collapse.

Hopefully someone else will win the tourney in the Lou or the Valley is a 1-bid league this year.

[jaypharmalum]

Drake may win the conference, but we will get a second team to the dance. Book it.

[redbirdfan21]

but at this point...who... if DU wins the tourny?

[jaypharmalum]

MVC tourney:

Drake vs. the field? I'll take the field.

By the way, Kansas lost to KSU tonight. Anything is possible.

[redbirdfan21]

i agree... but i was just checking.. the way u made it sounds was regardless.. we would get two teams... i disagree if DU wins the tounry... which i agree with u... i dont think they will either

[NoPlaceLikeDome]

With Drake's win tonight coupled by a Birds and Jays loss, i think you can just about wrap up the Valley title for Drake.

They have a 3-game lead and it is nearly impossible for them to be caught now. In all reality, the only loss I see them suffering is in Carbondale. SIU is the only team that might be able to catch them, but at this point that would be a miracle. Drake would have to undergo a catyclismic collapse.

Hopefully someone else will win the tourney in the Lou or the Valley is a 1-bid league this year.

They still have to come to Cedar Falls. An in-state match up combined with our close loss in Des Moines, it is by no means a gimme for Drake.

[DannyCooksey]

There is no team (besides Drake) that is worthy of an auto bid in this league. No one. the best chance right now is SIU because of their schedule, but they'll have to go about perfect the rest of the way.

With the way Drake is playing, who beats them? Who beats them in this league in the reg season? SIU maybe and that's about it. The way IlSU is playing right now, they can't beat Drake.

EDIT: I forgot they have to visit Cedar Falls yet. That'll be a tough game

Creighton has failed twice already.

If no one has figured them out after 10 games, how is someone going to figure them out in 3 games?

Another factor is it does not look good at all to have a team be as dominant as Drake is and then have everyone else hover around .500. that makes it look even more like 1 giant team and a few above average ones.

[DannyCooksey]

They still have to come to Cedar Falls. An in-state match up combined with our close loss in Des Moines, it is by no means a gimme for Drake.

I didn't know that. You're right. that could be a tough game too. But my point is still valid. That's 2 losses total if you count that game and their trip to Carbondale.

They are still pretty much locks to win this league barring an unreal collapse

[DUBulldog]

Definitely way too early to crown the Bulldogs....but they did clinch a winning MVC season for the first time in 20+ years.

[DannyCooksey]

Definitely way too early to crown the Bulldogs....but they did clinch a winning MVC season for the first time in 20+ years.


I would be saying the same thing if I were you or if it were my Birds in your spot, but brother this thing is over and you know it.

It's their title to lose and if they lose it, they will lose it, no one is going to take it from them.

3 game lead w 8 to play is almost impossible to lose. Congrats. enjoy it.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Drake has 5 road MVC games left. Those 5 MVC teams have a combined 9 home losses (and UNI has 4 of those losses). Drake has a lot of tough games left, and it's too early to crown them champs of anything.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

3 game lead w 8 to play is almost impossible to lose. Congrats. enjoy it.

I'm a Cub fan. Don't make me dig up examples from MLB of blowing such a lead :crybaby:

[Pantherpower]

Drake has 5 road MVC games left. Those 5 MVC teams have a combined 9 home losses (and UNI has 4 of those losses). Drake has a lot of tough games left, and it's too early to crown them champs of anything.

Correction. UNI is 3-2 at home, 2-3 on the road. It seems the Panthers are figuring things out and will hopefully be hitting on all cylinders come MVC Tourney time.

[DannyCooksey]

I'm a Cub fan. Don't make me dig up examples from MLB of blowing such a lead :crybaby:


I'm a Cub fan too. But this ain't baseball my friend. It's over. SIU, IlSU and a couple others will battle for 2nd place.

Those 5 road games contain 2 tough ones only UNI and SIU. Apologies to the rest of the teams that get to try Drake at home, but it just ain't gonna matter.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Correction. UNI is 3-2 at home, 2-3 on the road. It seems the Panthers are figuring things out and will hopefully be hitting on all cylinders come MVC Tourney time.

I was using overall records. The MVC site says UNI is 8-4 overall at home. And UNI is definitely figuring things out.

[gutwrencher]

Definitely way too early to crown the Bulldogs....but they did clinch a winning MVC season for the first time in 20+ years.


Agreed.

Calling it over is crazy talk. Games at the Trees, Redbirds and Panthers and "it's over"? NO TEAM is laying down to be steamrolled again. Not a chance. Boo and the birds have a serious score to settle(could be a brawl:fear:)

Hey, I'll be the first one to tell you we kick *** as a team.....but while we may remain un-defeated at home for the year, the road will say different.

Once we lose, we need to really focus and what happens next will be the true test.

3 game lead. Big deal.:bulldogs:

[Keita44]

This isn't locked up yet.

Scary games still to be played:

At InSU
At IllSU
At SIU
At UNI
Bradley at home


I like our chances though!

[creightonfever]

Enjoy this year while you have it drake.. but please do us a favor and just let someone else win the tourney..:helpsmilie:

[valleyclimber]

How stupid will this thread look in a couple weeks? Handing Drake the crown with half the Valley season left is just plain DUMB!!!!

I completely respect Drake's season so far, but as most of the sane Drake posters have already pointed out...now the Bulldogs schedule takes a serious turn for the MUCH more difficult.

Guess the thread will be good for a laugh and make you wonder why ANY poster would put it on here in the first place when so much basketball still has to be played. I LOVE that fact that Drake has deservedly rolled into the top 25, but as previously noted, NO TEAM in the Valley will lay down for the Bulldogs the rest of the way. 5 remaining MVC road games and a home date with a Daniel Ruffin led Bradly team could spell some trouble for Drake.

Keep it rockin' Valley!! :valley:

[Nyghtewynd]

Yep. If Drake wins the tournament, it's a one-bid league. Just like I said two months ago. You can subscribe to my newsletter if you'd like...just send a suitcase full of unmarked bills to a PayPal address to follow. My Nigerian assistant will get back to you.

[TNMSUFAN]

This isn't locked up yet.

Scary games still to be played:

At InSU
At IllSU
At SIU
At UNI
Bradley at home


I like our chances though!

I promise playing the Bears on senior night won't be an automatic win (not saying Drake won't win) and regardless of how we have played on the road we are a different animal at home

[vnomus2]

Drake has had a helluva year to this point. With the roster they have I can't believe what they are doing. They do have 3 phenomenal guards, not much of an inside game and not alot of depth. It is hard to believe what they are doing. That being said they won't win in Carbondale.:salukis:

[9628]

If Drake gets 2 or more loses in the final Valley stretch (doesn't matter to whom), they will need to win the Valley Tourney to make the NCAA. In that case, the Valley will be a one bid conference.

[vnomus2]

Doubt it Drake is in. It would take a total collapse for Drake not to get in. They have been extremely impressive. a 15-3 Valley champ would absolutely put the bulldogs in. Regardless of what DipS*** Davis from Espn says

[9628]

Doubt it Drake is in. It would take a total collapse for Drake not to get in. They have been extremely impressive. a 15-3 Valley champ would absolutely put the bulldogs in. Regardless of what DipS*** Davis from Espn says

How about 2 Valley losses and a bad loss in the Bracket Buster?

[BearsCountry]

Hey if Drake wins two more games, Barry Hinson would be happy with that and take it to the house.

[vnomus2]

How about 2 Valley losses and a bad loss in the Bracket Buster?


Look I am not sold on Drake. I don't think they have an inside game and I think they have very little depth. However, I think it is hard to argue that their performance has been anything less than stellar this year. That being said.


And I haven't researched this or anything. When was the last time a team won 18 straight and didn't go to the tournament.

[Aceman96]

Hey, this Drake team is good. Let's not crown them yet. They do have a tough "road" ahead. There are some teams that are lookin good in this league. UNI is comin on a little bit. Bradley has Ruffin back, and is playing very well... those freshmen are something scary. Plus, SIU might be on a roll right now... (find out Saturday) Remember when Bradley went to the Sweet 16? They got in mainly because they were HOT. They had won 10 of 11 before the selection show. I say Drake is in... and a couple of teams still have an outside chance (SIU RPI now of 58, SOS 4, 10 to play) Good luck to all teams the rest of this season... may the strongest survive!

[Aces101]

Drake.....great win over Creighton. I wish you continued success the rest of the way.

Let's hope another team gets hot and stays hot the rest of the way so the Valley can get 2 teams in the dance.

:valley:

[Phantom]

While normally I would agree it's a bit too early to crown Drake the MVC champ, I will say that the chances are gleamingly in their favor and it is entirely their conference to lose. I wont say they can coast, as their schedule dosent get any easier (we all know it NEVER gets easy in the MVC), but if anyone is going to catch & surpass DU it will be themselves. At this point, I dont see any other MVC teams with the horses to overcome DU on their own.

DU has a very solid 3-game lead on us, who is hanging on to 2nd by the skin of our asses. Then there is a severe logjam with SIU, InSU, CU, UNI, and BU. Drake is getting the separation they need.

[WSUbballer]

Definitely way too early to crown the Bulldogs....but they did clinch a winning MVC season for the first time in 20+ years.

Considering the season Drake is having now, that is an even more amazing stat to ponder about.

How was Drake a play-in team last year and virtually return the exact lineup, even minus a few starters, and become a such a dominant team? The turnaround is simply mind-boggling. But I'm definitely happy for you guys.

I do agree that if DU wins the Valley tournament, the Valley is a one-bid league. There is no way in hell CU or ISU gets in now with at-larges with some questionable losses and no quality OOC wins.

Only way the Valley gets two is if Drake loses in the Lou.. Sorry..

[WSUbballer]

That being said they won't win in Carbondale.:salukis:

Wow. Interesting.. SIU has now become a final four team again. Got some cash to back that prediction up with?

Doubt it..

Look I am not sold on Drake. I don't think they have an inside game and I think they have very little depth.

Dawgie, you shouldn't try using two names on here. It's a fact that the mods don't like it and you will be subject to banishment.

[vnomus2]

Wow. Interesting.. SIU has now become a final four team again. Got some cash to back that prediction up with?

Doubt it..

Never Said Final Four Team. We are Just 57 out of the last 58 in the Valley. Yeah I do have cash to back it up. How much you wanna go?

Dawgie, you shouldn't try using two names on here. It's a fact that the mods don't like it and you will be subject to banishment.

I am not Dawgie, just don't post or read to much on this site anymore, because there is to many people on here like you that have nothing to do but try and start s***.

[Phantom]

Only way the Valley gets two is if Drake loses in the Lou.. Sorry..

I'm definately starting to agree with this...

If you read my above post, I dont want to crown DU the reg. season champ just yet (NO disrespect to DU fans I promise, just trying to be objective,) although I will say it is their conference to lose. With a 3-game lead with 9 games left...it will take a major meltdown for someone to catch up.

IMHO, I think if DU wins the regular season title AND the tourney title, then the MVC is likely a 1-bid league. If DU wins the reg. season and someone else wins the tourney, then we probably get 2. For an even crazier scenario, If, for example DU, ISUred, and CU all manage to win 20+ and they all win a game or more in the tourney, then 3 bids MIGHT be possible. But who knows what will happen in the 'Lou...

[WSUbballer]

I am not Dawgie, just don't post or read to much on this site anymore, because there is to many people on here like you that have nothing to do but try and start s***.

See ya lata!

[WSUbballer]

I'm definately starting to agree with this...

If you read my above post, I dont want to crown DU the reg. season champ just yet (NO disrespect to DU fans I promise, just trying to be objective,) although I will say it is their conference to lose. With a 3-game lead with 9 games left...it will take a major meltdown for someone to catch up.

IMHO, I think if DU wins the regular season title AND the tourney title, then the MVC is likely a 1-bid league. If DU wins the reg. season and someone else wins the tourney, then we probably get 2. For an even crazier scenario, If, for example DU, ISUred, and CU all manage to win 20+ and they all win a game or more in the tourney, then 3 bids MIGHT be possible. But who knows what will happen in the 'Lou...

I agree that lots of unusual scenarios could play out and the Lou will be very unpredictable, but I'm banking on the usual scenario to hold form. And as of right now, Drake is the only at-large worthy team from this conference. Sad, but true..

[mproviz]

Definitely way too early to crown the Bulldogs....but they did clinch a winning MVC season for the first time in 20+ years.

:clap::clap::clap:

[Keita44]

Look I am not sold on Drake. I don't think they have an inside game and I think they have very little depth. However, I think it is hard to argue that their performance has been anything less than stellar this year. That being said.


And I haven't researched this or anything. When was the last time a team won 18 straight and didn't go to the tournament.

I don't think Clemson last year quite got to 18 (I believe they started off 17-0), but it was close. They ended up in the NIT.

[Keita44]

If Drake gets 2 or more loses in the final Valley stretch (doesn't matter to whom), they will need to win the Valley Tourney to make the NCAA. In that case, the Valley will be a one bid conference.

So, you are saying that at 25-4 or 26-3, depending on the Bracket Buster, Drake wouldn't get in?

Just in case you haven't been watching, they are ranked #16 right now...

[shockball]

Drake has a top half finish in the MVC all sewed up. :bulldogs: Drake has a tough set up games coming up but Ill St has lost 3 out of 4. SIU has yet to go to Omaha.

It could be, it may be, ....

[DannyCooksey]

Laugh all you want at me for starting this thread. That's fine. I stand by it. This baby is in the bag. It's just their year.

You can recall this thread all you want for those that disagree and you will see that I was right when Drake cuts down the nets (hopefully in the Knapp Center for their fans' sake) and celebrates the title.

Will they win in St. Louis? Who knows? This is a year where literally 8-9 teams could win in St. Louis and it wouldn't surprise me. Doesn't matter though.

For those of you saying they have a tough game at IlSU obviously haven't seen or paid attention to them much lately. Unless they re-learn how to play defense the way they did to start Valley play, Drake will win that game by 10+ in Redbird Arena.

They will win at least 2 of the other road games they have and certainly will not lose at home (sorry Bradley supporters).

the rest of the league is playing for 2nd place and hopefully a chance to win in St. Louis. Congrats to Drake

:bulldogs:

[DawgieStyle]

With Drake's win tonight coupled by a Birds and Jays loss, i think you can just about wrap up the Valley title for Drake.

They have a 3-game lead and it is nearly impossible for them to be caught now. In all reality, the only loss I see them suffering is in Carbondale. SIU is the only team that might be able to catch them, but at this point that would be a miracle. Drake would have to undergo a catyclismic collapse.

Hopefully someone else will win the tourney in the Lou or the Valley is a 1-bid league this year.

:banghead:

[DawgieStyle]

Wow. Interesting.. SIU has now become a final four team again. Got some cash to back that prediction up with?

Doubt it..



Dawgie, you shouldn't try using two names on here. It's a fact that the mods don't like it and you will be subject to banishment.

oh please, I didn't start another name. I've taken crap for over 3,000 post, why would I stop now.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Add me to the list that thinks it takes a major meltdown (or a rash of injuries)to keep Drake from winning the regular season title. I don't think a meltdown is coming either. Drake is too fundamentally sound to meltdown. Teams with high level fundamentals don't usually fall apart.

I also agree that if Drake wins the tourney, we are a one bid league. I don't expect Drake to win the tourney though. Drake's number one (and maybe only?) weakness is its lack of depth. Winning three games in three days will be very hard for Drake to accomplish due to its short bench. Fatigue would seem to be the only thing that will cause Drake to make errors. While Drake is good, their margin for error is very slim.

[Mc Bulldog]

Hey Danny, thanks for the props but there is still a lot of basketball for the Bulldogs to play. The coolest part is that the Drake players can't wait for the next game to start. I don't think I've ever seen a team that enjoys playing the game more than this team does.

Some other posts in this thread kill me. :lol::lol::lol::lol: vnomus .. you are probably the biggest expert on Valley basketball in history. :lol::lol::lol:
:valley:

InSU - 121
du - 31

[DannyCooksey]

Add me to the list that thinks it takes a major meltdown (or a rash of injuries)to keep Drake from winning the regular season title. I don't think a meltdown is coming either. Drake is too fundamentally sound to meltdown. Teams with high level fundamentals don't usually fall apart.

I also agree that if Drake wins the tourney, we are a one bid league. I don't expect Drake to win the tourney though. Drake's number one (and maybe only?) weakness is its lack of depth. Winning three games in three days will be very hard for Drake to accomplish due to its short bench. Fatigue would seem to be the only thing that will cause Drake to make errors. While Drake is good, their margin for error is very slim.

That may be true, but through 10 games (18 overall) no one has been able to expose that margin. I don't see it happening now either.

[Dawg_tired]

I've been following this board for years and have watched posters go crazy on their own team when they're winning. It's odd that it's the rest of the conference teams that are crowning the dogs. We ain't there yet folks.

[DoubleJayAlum]

That may be true, but through 10 games (18 overall) no one has been able to expose that margin. I don't see it happening now either.

Agreed. That's why I said it will take fatigue (or a rash of injuries) for them to lose games.

[DawgieStyle]

That may be true, but through 10 games (18 overall) no one has been able to expose that margin. I don't see it happening now either.

I think with Drake rising they may get the marquee game in the Bracket buster this year. They should draw a good opponent, who quite frankly, maybe the best team Drake will have played all year so far, except maybe Saint Mary's.

That should go a long way in telling us how "good" Drake really is.

I think Drake has done everything its been asked to with the schedule they had in front of them. You can only play who is on your schedule. That said, I just don't see anyone on that schedule that truly blows me away as a top quality team.

Drake has yet to face a team that I consider to be a NCAA tournament quality team (possibly Saint Mary's?). I'm hoping the Bracket buster game matches them up against such a team so we can truly see where Drake Stands.

That's not a knock against the valley, but considering we could get 1 bid, that's the reality.

Drake fans will probably get all pissy about that analysis, but them are the facts. You've done very well with the schedule you've had, congrats. But that schedule is void of any NCAA tournament quality teams who can really test you. I truly hope the Bracket buster gets you an opponent that will truly be a test of how good Drake is, and give some, that all important visual eye test against a quality opponent.

Drake hasn't been exposed because they haven't played a good team, a NCAA tourney quality team, that could expose them. Even then they might not be exposed, it's hard to tell, we don't know how "good" Drake really is because they haven't played a lot of high quality teams.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Agreed. That's why I said it will take fatigue (or a rash of injuries) for them to lose games.

You have to watch that fatigue. It's a biatch. I've seen teams go into a season-long downward spiral after getting fatigued early :grin:

[Dawg_tired]

I think with Drake rising they may get the marquee game in the Bracket buster this year. They should draw a good opponent, who quite frankly, maybe the best team Drake will have played all year so far, except maybe Saint Mary's.

That should go a long way in telling us how "good" Drake really is.

I think Drake has done everything its been asked to with the schedule they had in front of them. You can only play who is on your schedule. That said, I just don't see anyone on that schedule that truly blows me away as a top quality team.

Drake has yet to face a team that I consider to be a NCAA tournament quality team (possibly Saint Mary's?). I'm hoping the Bracket buster game matches them up against such a team so we can truly see where Drake Stands.

That's not a knock against the valley, but considering we could get 1 bid, that's the reality.

Drake fans will probably get all pissy about that analysis, but them are the facts. You've done very well with the schedule you've had, congrats. But that schedule is void of any NCAA tournament quality teams who can really test you. I truly hope the Bracket buster gets you an opponent that will truly be a test of how good Drake is, and give some, that all important visual eye test against a quality opponent.

Drake hasn't been exposed because they haven't played a good team, a NCAA tourney quality team, that could expose them. Even then they might not be exposed, it's hard to tell, we don't know how "good" Drake really is because they haven't played a lot of high quality teams.
:helpsmilie::helpsmilie::helpsmilie::helpsmilie::h elpsmilie::horse: :sleeping: Pretty unimpressive Dawgie Shat.

[DawgieStyle]

:helpsmilie::helpsmilie::helpsmilie::helpsmilie::h elpsmilie::horse: :sleeping: Pretty unimpressive Dawgie Shat.

ok smart guy. Other than the possibility of St. Mary's, name one team on your schedule, that if the season ended today, would be a lock or even on the plus side of the bubble for an at large invite to the NCAA tournament. When you find one...let me know.

[D Fast]

You could say that about a lot of teams right now....Look at the Big East (Or big Monstrosity as I call it) that damn league doesn't even know who the 3rd best team is, and of those tied have losses to teams where you would expect them to win.

[WSUbballer]

Quit being a jealous party pooper Dawgie. If SIU had Drake's schedule and went 19-1 and 10-0 to start the year, you'd be all over how good SIU was and how SIU should probably be in the Top 10 or Top 5 or something like that. You know it too.

Just stop already. It's not even funny anymore.

[WSUbballer]

This is No.6 Georgetown's games played so far Dawgie. Please list all NCAA at-large type teams Georgetown's beaten:

Sat, Nov 10 William & Mary W 68-53
Thu, Nov 15 Michigan W 74-52
Wed, Nov 21 at Ball St. W 57-48
Wed, Nov 28 at Old Dominion W 66-48
Sat, Dec 1 Fairfield W 61-49
Wed, Dec 5 at Alabama W 70-60
Sun, Dec 9 Jacksonville W 87-55
Sat, Dec 15 Radford W 110-51
Sat, Dec 22 at (2) Memphis L 71-85
Sat, Dec 29 American W 78-51
Mon, Dec 31 Fordham W 82-55
Sat, Jan 5 at Rutgers W 58-46
Tue, Jan 8 at DePaul W 76-60
Sat, Jan 12 Connecticut W 72-69
Mon, Jan 14 at (20) Pittsburgh L 60-69
Sat, Jan 19 Notre Dame W 84-65
Mon, Jan 21 Syracuse W 64-62
Sat, Jan 26 at West Virginia W 58-57
Wed, Jan 30 at St. John's W 74-42

[Brave2001]

This is No.6 Georgetown's games played so far Dawgie. Please list all NCAA at-large type teams Georgetown's beaten:

Sat, Nov 10 William & Mary W 68-53
Thu, Nov 15 Michigan W 74-52
Wed, Nov 21 at Ball St. W 57-48
Wed, Nov 28 at Old Dominion W 66-48
Sat, Dec 1 Fairfield W 61-49
Wed, Dec 5 at Alabama W 70-60
Sun, Dec 9 Jacksonville W 87-55
Sat, Dec 15 Radford W 110-51
Sat, Dec 22 at (2) Memphis L 71-85
Sat, Dec 29 American W 78-51
Mon, Dec 31 Fordham W 82-55
Sat, Jan 5 at Rutgers W 58-46
Tue, Jan 8 at DePaul W 76-60
Sat, Jan 12 Connecticut W 72-69
Mon, Jan 14 at (20) Pittsburgh L 60-69
Sat, Jan 19 Notre Dame W 84-65
Mon, Jan 21 Syracuse W 64-62
Sat, Jan 26 at West Virginia W 58-57
Wed, Jan 30 at St. John's W 74-42

You cant be serious....you dont think there are any on there.

I can list at least 4

UConn 15-5 (5-3) 20 rpi
Notre Dame 14-4 (4-2) 41 rpi (Bubble)
Syracuse 15-7 (5-4) 36 rpi (Bubble)
West Virgina 14-6 (4-4) 48 rpi (Bubble ...especially after last night)

Those are 4 very solid ball clubs.

[WSUbballer]

You cant be serious....you dont think there are any on there.

I can list at least 4

UConn 15-5 (5-3) 20 rpi
Notre Dame 14-4 (4-2) 41 rpi (Bubble)
Syracuse 15-7 (5-4) 36 rpi (Bubble)
West Virgina 14-6 (4-4) 48 rpi (Bubble ...especially after last night)

Those are 4 very solid ball clubs.

Bubbles aren't NCAA at-large locks. UCONN, well of course they're in now, thanks to their first win of significance this year over Indiana.

The whole point was to show Georgetown has about the same number of wins over 'at-large' quality teams as Drake.. and Georgetown is a Top 6 team.. My whole point is if Dawgie thinks Drake hasn't played anybody, look to Georgetown, which of course to him, is a lock.

Georgetown gets the luxury of playing in the Big East. Maybe a more better question to ask would have been how many at-large quality teams has GT beaten OOC?

[DoubleJayAlum]

This is No.6 Georgetown's games played so far Dawgie. Please list all NCAA at-large type teams Georgetown's beaten:

Sat, Nov 10 William & Mary W 68-53
Thu, Nov 15 Michigan W 74-52
Wed, Nov 21 at Ball St. W 57-48
Wed, Nov 28 at Old Dominion W 66-48
Sat, Dec 1 Fairfield W 61-49
Wed, Dec 5 at Alabama W 70-60
Sun, Dec 9 Jacksonville W 87-55
Sat, Dec 15 Radford W 110-51
Sat, Dec 22 at (2) Memphis L 71-85
Sat, Dec 29 American W 78-51
Mon, Dec 31 Fordham W 82-55
Sat, Jan 5 at Rutgers W 58-46
Tue, Jan 8 at DePaul W 76-60
Sat, Jan 12 Connecticut W 72-69
Mon, Jan 14 at (20) Pittsburgh L 60-69
Sat, Jan 19 Notre Dame W 84-65
Mon, Jan 21 Syracuse W 64-62
Sat, Jan 26 at West Virginia W 58-57
Wed, Jan 30 at St. John's W 74-42

Not that I want to defend DS, but you are skewing what he asked. He said name the teams on Drake's schedule that Drake has played (not just won). Georgetown is 4-2 against teams in the top50 RPi, while Drake is 1-1 (and Drake's lone win is against Illinois St, who is just barely in the top50 RPI)

I don't agree with DS, but I am afraid that several members of the seletion committee view things his way.

The bracketbuster will have a huge effect on Drake's seeding. If, as expected, they get a top tier team like Butler, a road win would go a long way to garnering more respect.

[Mc Bulldog]

Dawgie, what about your wife? How does she feel about Drake? Her opinion can't be a f'd up as yours right?

[DawgieStyle]

Sat, Dec 22 at (2) Memphis L 71-85
Sat, Jan 12 Connecticut W 72-69
Mon, Jan 14 at (20) Pittsburgh L 60-69
Sat, Jan 19 Notre Dame W 84-65
Mon, Jan 21 Syracuse W 64-62
Sat, Jan 26 at West Virginia W 58-57

I didn't say win or lose, said played. but for what its worth gtown has beaten 4, and lost 2.

Although, syracuse and wv are on the bubble, but the plus side of the bubble as I also stated.

[DawgieStyle]

Dawgie, what about your wife? How does she feel about Drake? Her opinion can't be a f'd up as yours right?

you prove to me Drake has played anyone of true consequence and I'll back off. I knew Drake fans would get pissy about this...god forbid we have a decent discussion on the merit of Drake's schedule and who they've played.

It's ok to talk about Georgetown's schedule apperently, but not Drakes?

[gus_dog]

Quit being a jealous party pooper Dawgie. If SIU had Drake's schedule and went 19-1 and 10-0 to start the year, you'd be all over how good SIU was and how SIU should probably be in the Top 10 or Top 5 or something like that. You know it too.

Just stop already. It's not even funny anymore.

I guess you would know all about jealousy, huh?

His comment is not about SIU, it's about Drake. Se if it's possible to wrap your miniscule mind around the facts. Dawgie made some valid points.

How about you address the points instead of trying to rail on Dawgie's favourite team?

Just stop already. You never have been funny.

[DawgieStyle]

lock or even on the plus side of the bubble

for your recollection baller.

[WSUbballer]

I guess you would know all about jealousy, huh?

His comment is not about SIU, it's about Drake. Se if it's possible to wrap your miniscule mind around the facts. Dawgie made some valid points.

How about you address the points instead of trying to rail on Dawgie's favourite team?

Just stop already. You never have been funny.

Sweet! Another SIU bandwagoner coming back! :lol::lol::clap::grin: MVJ was right.

How come Dawgie can't respond to my point? If the great SIU was inserted for Drake, how would he feel? He can't answer because he knows I'm right.

You're an SIU bandwagoner. You haven't been here long enough to know what Dawgie has said and hasn't said and what me and him are talking about.

My goal is not to be funny.. so I'm glad I'm not. Thanks for the two cents though. Although a bandwagoner's two cents is less valued than a regular fan's.. :yes:

[WSUbballer]

you prove to me Drake has played anyone of true consequence and I'll back off. I knew Drake fans would get pissy about this...god forbid we have a decent discussion on the merit of Drake's schedule and who they've played.

It's ok to talk about Georgetown's schedule apperently, but not Drakes?

They've done everything they could possibly do on their schedule in the nation's 8th toughest conference.

Georgetown was brought in to show how dumb you are. Of course GT is a tournament worthy team and so is Drake.

From where Drake has come from (the depths of the Valley), they're not gonna get a slough of quality teams to play against. I honestly cannot believe you're denying the fact that Drake has won 18 straight college basketball games. In this day in age, winning 5 games in a row, no matter the opponent, is difficult. But to somehow think being 19-1, rolling through the Valley unbeaten after 10 games, and winning 18 in a row is not impressive, officially qualifies you as one of the stupidest human beings to ever set foot on the earth.

How could anyone possibly offer somebody a job as an "architect" with an IQ hovering somewhere in the mid 70's? The Murphysboro metropolis must be desperate.

[Brave2001]

How come Dawgie can't respond to my point?

Oh, that's rich. You couldn't respond to Dawgie's point about Drake not playing an NCAA caliber team yet, instead you trotted out how G'town supposedly hadnt (which is a joke, they played the #1 team in the country...you couldnt even get that right).

Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

Seriously I want you to explicitly refute Dawgie's exact post about Drake's schedule purely on the basis of Drake without dragging in how bad/good/bandwagon SIU is, how good/bad some team from some other conference in. Seriously do it.

Problem is you really can't. He made a fairly rational and logical point that unfortunately for Drake is true. I wish it wasn't. I want to them to be a top 4 seed in the tourney, but just because the truth is not good news and doesn't show Drake in the best light, doesn't mean its not true.

Just because Dawgie posted it, doesn't make it any less true either. Yeah he may be wrong (a lot), but he's right sometimes too...and it just eats at people like you that someone everyone dislikes on here can sometimes make a valid point. Because that would mean you'd have to say yeah you're right and give him credit....and you and several others just can't do that...to much pride I guess.

This craps getting old.

[gus_dog]

Sweet! Another SIU bandwagoner coming back! :lol::lol::clap::grin: MVJ was right.

How come Dawgie can't respond to my point? If the great SIU was inserted for Drake, how would he feel? He can't answer because he knows I'm right.

You're an SIU bandwagoner. You haven't been here long enough to know what Dawgie has said and hasn't said and what me and him are talking about.

My goal is not to be funny.. so I'm glad I'm not. Thanks for the two cents though. Although a bandwagoner's two cents is less valued than a regular fan's.. :yes:


You are incorrect. I've been here plenty long, and I have read lots and lots of posts. Not a bandwagon fan either, but that's not relevant either.

Your history or Dawgie's history is not relevant to the point.

Why don't you respond to the point instead of vomiting irrelevant information, and trying to be a funny guy?

I'm "all eyes", waiting to read the wealth of your real basketball knowledge.

Come on, refute his point.

[WSUbballer]

Oh, that's rich. You couldn't respond to Dawgie's point about Drake not playing an NCAA caliber team yet, instead you trotted out how G'town supposedly hadnt (which is a joke, they played the #1 team in the country...you couldnt even get that right).

Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

Seriously I want you to explicitly refute Dawgie's exact post about Drake's schedule purely on the basis of Drake without dragging in how bad/good/bandwagon SIU is, how good/bad some team from some other conference in. Seriously do it.

Problem is you really can't. He made a fairly rational and logical point that unfortunately for Drake is true. I wish it wasn't. I want to them to be a top 4 seed in the tourney, but just because the truth is not good news and doesn't show Drake in the best light, doesn't mean its not true.

Just because Dawgie posted it, doesn't make it any less true either. Yeah he may be wrong (a lot), but he's right sometimes too...and it just eats at people like you that someone everyone dislikes on here can sometimes make a valid point. Because that would mean you'd have to say yeah you're right and give him credit....and you and several others just can't do that...to much pride I guess.

This craps getting old.

From where Drake has come from (the depths of the Valley), they're not gonna get a slough of quality teams to play against. I honestly cannot believe you're denying the fact that Drake has won 18 straight college basketball games. In this day in age, winning 5 games in a row, no matter the opponent, is difficult. But to somehow think being 19-1, rolling through the Valley unbeaten after 10 games, and winning 18 in a row is not impressive, officially qualifies you as one of the stupidest human beings to ever set foot on the earth.

Ya, the crap is getting old. Drake not garnering respect from a fellow Valley member is getting old. You having to defend your brother every argument is getting old.

[gus_dog]

Oh, that's rich. You couldn't respond to Dawgie's point about Drake not playing an NCAA caliber team yet, instead you trotted out how G'town supposedly hadnt (which is a joke, they played the #1 team in the country...you couldnt even get that right).

Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

Seriously I want you to explicitly refute Dawgie's exact post about Drake's schedule purely on the basis of Drake without dragging in how bad/good/bandwagon SIU is, how good/bad some team from some other conference in. Seriously do it.

Problem is you really can't. He made a fairly rational and logical point that unfortunately for Drake is true. I wish it wasn't. I want to them to be a top 4 seed in the tourney, but just because the truth is not good news and doesn't show Drake in the best light, doesn't mean its not true.

Just because Dawgie posted it, doesn't make it any less true either. Yeah he may be wrong (a lot), but he's right sometimes too...and it just eats at people like you that someone everyone dislikes on here can sometimes make a valid point. Because that would mean you'd have to say yeah you're right and give him credit....and you and several others just can't do that...to much pride I guess.

This craps getting old.

I agree Brave2001. I really hope the Drake does great. I would love to see them smack some BCS conference schools in the face on their way to a sweet sixteen or better, but they are going to get an awful seed, IMO, because of their schedule, and the fact that the Valley is seen as being in a "down" year.

[WSUbballer]

You are incorrect. I've been here plenty long, and I have read lots and lots of posts. Not a bandwagon fan either, but that's not relevant either.

Your history or Dawgie's history is not relevant to the point.

Why don't you respond to the point instead of vomiting irrelevant information, and trying to be a funny guy?

I'm "all eyes", waiting to read the wealth of your real basketball knowledge.

Come on, refute his point.

You may have been here long, but it's no coincidence you haven't posted in a while.. well until the Final Four-bound Dawgs have finally put up a couple wins in a row. That helps, doesn't it?.. :yes:

Drake is 19-1. They haven't played anybody. 19-1 teams aren't very good. Winning streaks are only meaningful if teams with the initials of S.I.U. are doing them. Drake is a bad team. Extremely unimpressive. SIU should gain entry into the NCAA's for just playing the 6th toughest schedule in the country. I am a funny guy. You are not a bandwagon fan. SIU is good. Drake is bad.

[WSUbballer]

I agree Brave2001. I really hope the Drake does great. I would love to see them smack some BCS conference schools in the face on their way to a sweet sixteen or better, but they are going to get an awful seed, IMO, because of their schedule, and the fact that the Valley is seen as being in a "down" year.

Joe Lunardi is an idiot. He has Drake as a steady 4 seed in the tournament. What an idiot he is. Everyone knows Drake hasn't played anybody. Who the fluck cares if all they can do is win 18 games in a row?...:sleeping: Boring..

Now a team like SIU.. There's an NCAA quality team for ya. Look at the schedule they've played.. Who cares what they've done against it? Give the Salukis a 7 seed already Joe. It's a lock.

[gus_dog]

You may have been here long, but it's no coincidence you haven't posted in a while.. well until the Final Four-bound Dawgs have finally put up a couple wins in a row. That helps, doesn't it?.. :yes:

Drake is 19-1. They haven't played anybody. 19-1 teams aren't very good. Winning streaks are only meaningful if teams with the initials of S.I.U. are doing them. Drake is a bad team. Extremely unimpressive. SIU should gain entry into the NCAA's for just playing the 6th toughest schedule in the country. I am a funny guy. You are not a bandwagon fan. SIU is good. Drake is bad.

Why are you attacking SIU? The question is not about SIU. They suck this season. The question is about Drake. Please, address the point.

Are you incapable of answering on point?

[Brave2001]

They've done everything they could possibly do on their schedule in the nation's 8th toughest conference.

Dawgie said exactly that in his post....


Georgetown was brought in to show how dumb you are. Of course GT is a tournament worthy team and so is Drake.

I'm failing to see how that did that...but ok. You comparing the relative quality of schedule of Drake to G'town is the thing that looks stupid. That's not a knock on Drake...its just the FACTS.


From where Drake has come from (the depths of the Valley), they're not gonna get a slough of quality teams to play against.


I agree here, but thats life. It aint fair. Sorry for Drake that they can't do that. I don't believe a team should get treated with kid gloves just because they didn't get the chance. Life aint fair and either is baseketall conference affiliation.


I honestly cannot believe you're denying the fact that Drake has won 18 straight college basketball games. In this day in age, winning 5 games in a row, no matter the opponent, is difficult. But to somehow think being 19-1, rolling through the Valley unbeaten after 10 games, and winning 18 in a row is not impressive, officially qualifies you as one of the stupidest human beings to ever set foot on the earth.
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It's absolutely impressive. I however don't think it make Dawgie the stupidest human being ever for having a different set of criteria for being impressive than you or I do.

It's all about relativity. Relative to past Drake teams, Drake is impressive. Relative to other valley teams this year, Drake is impressive. If they fail to make the dance though, then they are unimpressive relative to past Valley teams (as Dawgie correctly points on is the benchmark of a good valley team that has been set over the last 10 years). Dawgie has said repeatedly he thinks Drake will make the dance and at that point they would get the 'impressive' tag from him. It depends on your point of view. All are correct. His reference point may not be popular (obviously), but its not "wrong"


How could anyone possibly offer somebody a job as an "architect" with an IQ hovering somewhere in the mid 70's? The Murphysboro metropolis must be desperate.

Completely uncalled for. I cannot believe you let someone get under your skin this much. Its absolutely hysterical and pathetic at the same time.

[DawgieStyle]

I think with Drake rising they may get the marquee game in the Bracket buster this year. They should draw a good opponent, who quite frankly, maybe the best team Drake will have played all year so far, except maybe Saint Mary's.

That should go a long way in telling us how "good" Drake really is.

I think Drake has done everything its been asked to with the schedule they had in front of them. You can only play who is on your schedule. That said, I just don't see anyone on that schedule that truly blows me away as a top quality team.

Drake has yet to face a team that I consider to be a NCAA tournament quality team (possibly Saint Mary's?). I'm hoping the Bracket buster game matches them up against such a team so we can truly see where Drake Stands.

That's not a knock against the valley, but considering we could get 1 bid, that's the reality.

Drake fans will probably get all pissy about that analysis, but them are the facts. You've done very well with the schedule you've had, congrats. But that schedule is void of any NCAA tournament quality teams who can really test you. I truly hope the Bracket buster gets you an opponent that will truly be a test of how good Drake is, and give some, that all important visual eye test against a quality opponent.

Drake hasn't been exposed because they haven't played a good team, a NCAA tourney quality team, that could expose them. Even then they might not be exposed, it's hard to tell, we don't know how "good" Drake really is because they haven't played a lot of high quality teams.

seems to me I covered all the bases baller, I suggest you re-read my original post.

[gus_dog]

Joe Lunardi is an idiot. He has Drake as a steady 4 seed in the tournament. What an idiot he is. Everyone knows Drake hasn't played anybody. Who the fluck cares if all they can do is win 18 games in a row?...:sleeping: Boring..

Now a team like SIU.. There's an NCAA quality team for ya. Look at the schedule they've played.. Who cares what they've done against it? Give the Salukis a 7 seed already Joe. It's a lock.


Again with attacking a team that is essentially out of the conversation. SIU sucks this season. They are irrelevant to this conversation, and I never brought them into it - you did.

Can you not speak on point? Please, follow the bouncing ball. Write to the point, please.

Write to the point.

Are you here to converse, or just jam on items/teams/people that are beside the point?

No cursing, no name calling. Speak on point, please.

[Brave2001]

Joe Lunardi is an idiot. He has Drake as a steady 4 seed in the tournament. What an idiot he is. Everyone knows Drake hasn't played anybody. Who the fluck cares if all they can do is win 18 games in a row?...:sleeping: Boring..

Now a team like SIU.. There's an NCAA quality team for ya. Look at the schedule they've played.. Who cares what they've done against it? Give the Salukis a 7 seed already Joe. It's a lock.

Damn when the blood gets flowing, you just turn irrational.

I'm not defending my bro. I'm responding to someone who just completely lost it.

You just cant seperate one discussion from another. Discussing Drakes SOS is not knocking the fact they have gone 17-1. For crying out loud. It's a legitimate discussion topic. The selection committee certainly will.

It's like you want Drake handled with kid gloves. God forbid someone suggest something might be wrong/not perfect.

You just can't handle that it came from Dawgie I think. If DUBulldog would have brought up the same discussion...you would be no where to be found. You'd be in full agreement that Drake really needs a good BB opponent to help its NCAA Seeding.

[barkeep1967]

Ballers problem is his team is horrid so he must do whatever he can to draw attention to himself. Pretty sad really.

[WSUbballer]

DUBulldog doesn't make stupid points. I think he knows a helluva lot more about basketball than Dawgie does. I'll give ya that point.

Gussy, you have no clue. You have no idea how Dawgie can flip a switch if the roles are reversed. That's why SIU was brought up into the convo and that's how I'm making my point. If SIU was 19-1 and 10-0 in conference, things would be different. Dawgie would be the one saying how impressive SIU is. But since it's Drake, he can't fathom the fact that Drake is doing this good and his good ol' Dawgs are sucking it up. That's fact. You have no idea Gussy, so quit acting like you do.

I have some work-related stuff to tend to. I'm not conceding the argument. I'll be back in about an hour..

[WSUbballer]

Ballers problem is his team is horrid so he must do whatever he can to draw attention to himself. Pretty sad really.

Your jealousy and obsession with WSU is what's sad. Keep drinking, barstool.

Bandwagon fan No.2 returns. :clap:

[Brave2001]

DUBulldog doesn't make stupid points. I think he knows a helluva lot more about basketball than Dawgie does. I'll give ya that point.

Gussy, you have no clue. You have no idea how Dawgie can flip a switch if the roles are reversed. That's why SIU was brought up into the convo and that's how I'm making my point. If SIU was 19-1 and 10-0 in conference, things would be different. Dawgie would be the one saying how impressive SIU is. But since it's Drake, he can't fathom the fact that Drake is doing this good and his good ol' Dawgs are sucking it up. That's fact. You have no idea Gussy, so quit acting like you do.

I have some work-related stuff to tend to. I'm not conceding the argument. I'll be back in about an hour..

You are right DUBulldog doesn't usually make stupid points. Dawgie has done so several times, but that doesn't make his current point about Drakes lack of tournament quality opponents any less valid.

You seriously disagree with that premis? I don't see how you can. It's plainly in black in white on kenpom and other RPI sites. Its been discussed on here ad nauseum about the "down" valley. The facts are the facts.

You somehow see that stating the facts somehow takes away from what Drake has done. It doesn't. It's very impressive that they are 17-1, but that doesnt change the colors of the zebra stripes. Why is that unacceptable? Do you think by not mentioning we are somehow gonna hide it and keep the selection committe/public from seeing it. I just don't get it.

I think your source of disagreement comes from the words I highlighted in your response. You have more of a problem with who said it than the point.

[DawgieStyle]

You may have been here long, but it's no coincidence you haven't posted in a while.. well until the Final Four-bound Dawgs have finally put up a couple wins in a row. That helps, doesn't it?.. :yes:

Drake is 19-1. They haven't played anybody. 19-1 teams aren't very good. Winning streaks are only meaningful if teams with the initials of S.I.U. are doing them. Drake is a bad team. Extremely unimpressive. SIU should gain entry into the NCAA's for just playing the 6th toughest schedule in the country. I am a funny guy. You are not a bandwagon fan. SIU is good. Drake is bad.

when did SIU's team come into this discussion? When did i say SIU was good, or Drake was bad. Again, re-read my original post. I said we'll find how GOOD drake is, not how bad.

I Think Drake is a good team, but we they haven't played any other high quality teams to really judge where they are at. Agreed, their schedule is what it is, but don't dispute the fact that it is what it is. It is void of any high quality teams, such as they will find in the NCAA tournament. You can't dispute that fact.

Just for the record, SIU is not a NCAA tourney quality team this year, and won't be.

[gus_dog]

DUBulldog doesn't make stupid points. I think he knows a helluva lot more about basketball than Dawgie does. I'll give ya that point.

Gussy, you have no clue. You have no idea how Dawgie can flip a switch if the roles are reversed. That's why SIU was brought up into the convo and that's how I'm making my point. If SIU was 19-1 and 10-0 in conference, things would be different. Dawgie would be the one saying how impressive SIU is. But since it's Drake, he can't fathom the fact that Drake is doing this good and his good ol' Dawgs are sucking it up. That's fact. You have no idea Gussy, so quit acting like you do.

I have some work-related stuff to tend to. I'm not conceding the argument. I'll be back in about an hour..


Your point is not valid. I understand quite well. I am not daft. Please, try not to be so condescending (do you know what that means?).

I don't care about "if this", and "if that", and I don't care what you think Dawgie might have done "if this" and "if that", because it's not relevant to the argument.

The FACTS are what they ARE. He made a post that has valid points (i.e. it is not a "stupid post").

I have come to the conclusion that you are absolutely incapable of answering on point. Otherwise, why would you continue to pump useless, irelevant and emotional information into the thread.

You STILL refuse to write on point.

OK, wrap your head around this - I DON"T CARE that you hate SIU or Dawgie Style or gus_dog or barkeep. I don't care if you hate spinach, cauliflower or liver & onions. None of these belong in the thread because they are BESIDE THE POINT and IRRELEVANT.

People who argue beside the point do so because they have no valid point. It is a common form of misdirection when they cannot come up with a reasoned responce in a debate or discussion.

[barkeep1967]

Your jealousy and obsession with WSU is what's sad. Keep drinking, barstool.

Bandwagon fan No.2 returns. :clap:



First off I have no obsession and what would I possibly be Jealous of with Wichita State.

Second off calling me a bandwagon fan is just further proof that you are one of the biggest fools that post on this board.

[Keita44]

ok smart guy. Other than the possibility of St. Mary's, name one team on your schedule, that if the season ended today, would be a lock or even on the plus side of the bubble for an at large invite to the NCAA tournament. When you find one...let me know.

Hey genius.....in a previous post, you acknowledged that Drake would get the marqee bracket buster game.

Our bracket buster opponent (and the bracket buster game is listed on the schedule, just doesn't have an opponent listed) would be a lock to be in the tourney. Do you know who we would then play?

I'll give you a hint.....it starts with B and rhymes with UTLER.

[Keita44]

The new Power 16 ranking on ESPN came out. Drake held steady at #14.

Here is ESPN's take.


"The Bulldogs swept Creighton Wednesday night and Illinois State lost at Northern Iowa, which means Drake now has a complete hammer lock on the Missouri Valley, even with five of its last eight on the road. Get used to the reality: This team is going to the NCAA Tournament and very likely will be wearing white jerseys in its first game there. Maybe the second one, too."

http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncb/powerranking

Not saying it is right, but am saying.

[Brave2001]

Hey genius.....in a previous post, you acknowledged that Drake would get the marqee bracket buster game.

Our bracket buster opponent (and the bracket buster game is listed on the schedule, just doesn't have an opponent listed) would be a lock to be in the tourney. Do you know who we would then play?

I'll give you a hint.....it starts with B and rhymes with UTLER.

Screw it, yeah I'm defending him....because you people cant READ.



Originally Posted by DawgieStyle http://www.valleytalk.net/easyaction/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.valleytalk.net/showthread.php?p=124483#post124483)
ok smart guy. Other than the possibility of St. Mary's, name one team on your schedule, that if the season ended today, would be a lock or even on the plus side of the bubble for an at large invite to the NCAA tournament. When you find one...let me know.




QUIT reading what you want to read. READ whats written!

[Keita44]

Screw it, yeah I'm defending him....because you people cant READ.



Originally Posted by DawgieStyle http://www.valleytalk.net/easyaction/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.valleytalk.net/showthread.php?p=124483#post124483)
ok smart guy. Other than the possibility of St. Mary's, name one team on your schedule, that if the season ended today, would be a lock or even on the plus side of the bubble for an at large invite to the NCAA tournament. When you find one...let me know.




QUIT reading what you want to read. READ whats written!

The bracket buster game is on our schedule....just hasn't happened yet. So, I am still right.

[DawgieStyle]

Hey genius.....in a previous post, you acknowledged that Drake would get the marqee bracket buster game.

Our bracket buster opponent (and the bracket buster game is listed on the schedule, just doesn't have an opponent listed) would be a lock to be in the tourney. Do you know who we would then play?

I'll give you a hint.....it starts with B and rhymes with UTLER.

I said they probably would. And if memory serves correct, there hasn't been any official statements of who is playing who in the Bracket Buster event. So unitl I see Butler on your schedule, my point still stands.

I want Drake to get Butler or some one close to their quality, I want to see Drake play some one of that quality. I want to know how good Drake really is. I want to know if their record is truly an indicator of how good they are, or just fluff from a weak schedule.

So yah, I really do want to see Drake play Butler, but I'll believe it when I See it.

[Brave2001]

Hey genius.....in a previous post, you acknowledged that Drake would get the marqee bracket buster game.

Our bracket buster opponent (and the bracket buster game is listed on the schedule, just doesn't have an opponent listed) would be a lock to be in the tourney. Do you know who we would then play?

I'll give you a hint.....it starts with B and rhymes with UTLER.

The bracket buster game is on our schedule....just hasn't happened yet. So, I am still right.

I'm stupider for having read that response.

What about the english language keeps you from understanding.

If the season ended today.

I'll buy you a dictionary if you dont have the money.

[Keita44]

I'm stupider for having read that response.

What about the english language keeps you from understanding.

If the season ended a day.

I'll buy you a dictionary if you dont have the money.

He said our schedule, and for Drake's 2007-2008 schedule, there is a Bracket Buster game, which will be against Butler.

If he would have said that Drake hasn't played anyone (except for St. Mary's) that would get an at-large, then your idea would hold.

But since he said schedule, I am right.

[DawgieStyle]

He said our schedule, and for Drake's 2007-2008 schedule, there is a Bracket Buster game, which will be against Butler.

If he would have said that Drake hasn't played anyone (except for St. Mary's) that would get an at-large, then your idea would hold.

But since he said schedule, I am right.

I'd like to see the official press release from ESPN Declaring a bracket buster game between Drake and Butler.

[Brave2001]

I'm done. I need to shoot myself. I'm finally convinced the world needs to come to an end. Comprehension of the english language has stopped. I've finally realized that society has peaked and we are now on the way down....might as well end it before it gets worse.

[Keita44]

I'd like to see the official press release from ESPN Declaring a bracket buster game between Drake and Butler.

Wait a couple of days and I will show it to you. It will take a little time to research.

[Keita44]

I'm done. I need to shoot myself. I'm finally convinced the world needs to come to an end. Comprehension of the english language has stopped. I've finally realized that society has peaked and we are now on the way down....might as well end it before it gets worse.

What are you talking about? DS used shedule and Drake's Bracket Buster opponent is on the schedule, just not named.......what are you failing to comprehend?

[DawgieStyle]

What are you talking about? DS used shedule and Drake's Bracket Buster opponent is on the schedule, just not named.......what are you failing to comprehend?

If it's not named, how can you declare it will be a team that is a lock for the NCAA Tourney?

ESPN has done dumber stuff than missing putting drake and Butler together in a game.

again, I want this game to happen, I just can't believe it until I see it.

[Brave2001]

What are you talking about? DS used shedule and Drake's Bracket Buster opponent is on the schedule, just not named.......what are you failing to comprehend?

"name one team on your schedule, that if the season ended today"

I can't believe I'm doing this.

See that comma....it means its part of the same sentence, which means its part of the same context of the initial conjecture. You took 3rd grade grammar right?

I'm being played, made fun of. I have to be, no one can be this stupid. He surely knows that those 2 go together. I'm stupid for even responding.

You seriously are just going to ingnore that just to make your point aren't you? Just like everyone else it seems. Whatever makes it convenient to make your argument.

[DUBulldog]

I can't believe I'm even getting into this discussion.....but I guess a couple of people have thrown my name into it anyway.

I will agree with people who say there is no marquee win for Drake this season. However, I don't think the schedule is as bad as some of you are making it out to be. The RPI factors in your strength of schedule....and Drake's RPI is somewhere between 6 and 9 right now. Do I believe Drake is one of the Top 10 teams in the country? No, I don't. But, if their schedule was as weak as some of you think, there is no way they'd come in with an RPI that high.

So, maybe it comes down to Drake hasn't played any great teams, but they've played a whole bunch of decent teams. And, for the last 18 games, they've beaten them all. Even if you're not playing great teams, there's something to be said for an 18 game win streak. Even the best teams stumble occasionally against "inferior" competition. I think what's been most impressive to me about Drake has been their consistency, and their ability to win lots of close games.

Having said all that, there's still a helluva lot of season left.

[Brave2001]

I can't believe I'm even getting into this discussion.....but I guess a couple of people have thrown my name into it anyway.

I will agree with people who say there is no marquee win for Drake this season. However, I don't think the schedule is as bad as some of you are making it out to be. The RPI factors in your strength of schedule....and Drake's RPI is somewhere between 6 and 9 right now. Do I believe Drake is one of the Top 10 teams in the country? No, I don't. But, if their schedule was as weak as some of you think, there is no way they'd come in with an RPI that high.

So, maybe it comes down to Drake hasn't played any great teams, but they've played a whole bunch of decent teams. And, for the last 18 games, they've beaten them all. Even if you're not playing great teams, there's something to be said for an 18 game win streak. Even the best teams stumble occasionally against "inferior" competition. I think what's been most impressive to me about Drake has been their consistency, and their ability to win lots of close games.

Having said all that, there's still a helluva lot of season left.

See....he never makes a bad point. Completely agree.

I don't think anyone has said Drake's sched is horrible, just pointing out that there arent any tournament caliber teams on it as of yet. Playing a bunch of RPI 40-100 teams and winning 18 games is damn impressive.

That's a very tough schedule and I don't think anyone has said that that's not a good sched....just that it would be good if they could add a couple tourney teams to it. Appearently that gets some peoples panties in a wad.

[Keita44]

"name one team on your schedule, that if the season ended today"

I can't believe I'm doing this.

See that comma....it means its part of the same sentence, which means its part of the same context of the initial conjecture. You took 3rd grade grammar right?

I'm being played, made fun of. I have to be, no one can be this stupid. He surely knows that those 2 go together. I'm stupid for even responding.

You seriously are just going to ingnore that just to make your point aren't you? Just like everyone else it seems. Whatever makes it convinient to make your argument.

Let's look at Drake's schedule....yes the Bracket Buster is on it. Let's pretend like the season ends today....yes the Bracket Buster is still on Drake's schedule. If he was going to only include the games that Drake has already played, then he should have used "up to this point" or a similar phrase, but Drake's 2007-2008 schedule is the same whether or not we play the rest of the year.

[gus_dog]

I can't believe I'm even getting into this discussion.....but I guess a couple of people have thrown my name into it anyway.

I will agree with people who say there is no marquee win for Drake this season. However, I don't think the schedule is as bad as some of you are making it out to be. The RPI factors in your strength of schedule....and Drake's RPI is somewhere between 6 and 9 right now. Do I believe Drake is one of the Top 10 teams in the country? No, I don't. But, if their schedule was as weak as some of you think, there is no way they'd come in with an RPI that high.

So, maybe it comes down to Drake hasn't played any great teams, but they've played a whole bunch of decent teams. And, for the last 18 games, they've beaten them all. Even if you're not playing great teams, there's something to be said for an 18 game win streak. Even the best teams stumble occasionally against "inferior" competition. I think what's been most impressive to me about Drake has been their consistency, and their ability to win lots of close games.

Having said all that, there's still a helluva lot of season left.


I hope the Drake does well. I hope they get Butler, and beat them, and I hope they get two+ ncaa wins. I hope they lose at the arena, but other than that, I am behind them all the way.

Thing is, there are alot of people (including those on the selection committee) who will not give the Drake their due without a marquee win.

Good luck DU Bulldog, I am rooting for you guys ('cept one game ;-))

[Brave2001]

Let's look at Drake's schedule....yes the Bracket Buster is on it. Let's pretend like the season ends today....yes the Bracket Buster is still on Drake's schedule. If he was going to only include the games that Drake has already played, then he should have used "up to this point" or a similar phrase, but Drake's 2007-2008 schedule is the same whether or not we play the rest of the year.

Good God.

[Dawg_tired]

Maybe it's my cold. Maybe it's because the price of gas increased. Or maybe it's because I'm bored with arguing with a richard head.

[gus_dog]

Originally Posted by Keita44
Let's look at Drake's schedule....yes the Bracket Buster is on it. Let's pretend like the season ends today....yes the Bracket Buster is still on Drake's schedule. If he was going to only include the games that Drake has already played, then he should have used "up to this point" or a similar phrase, but Drake's 2007-2008 schedule is the same whether or not we play the rest of the year.
Good God.

:doh: LMAO!

[TrueBlueJay]

I hope Drake gets sent to Omaha for the 1st & 2nd rounds because I'll either get to watch them play and cheer them on or I'll make a boat load of money off McBullshat when I stick it to him for my tickets (my upper bowl tickets of course).

[D Fast]

I hope Drake gets sent to Omaha for the 1st & 2nd rounds because I'll either get to watch them play and cheer them on or I'll make a boat load of money off McBullshat when I stick it to him for my tickets (my upper bowl tickets of course).


LOL. IF (not getting ahead here) Drake makes the big show they will ship them off to BFE most likely :noexpression:

[DawgFan]

Being sent to Omaha doesn't sound like a reward deserving the Bulldogs awesome season. I agree with Danny, this thing is over as of last night when the final horn sounded.

I still wouldn't want to play Thursday in this event and expect to be around Sunday, let alone cut down the nets in STL. The 7th spot will have a team capable of stringing together a win or two.

Drake will not win the tournament in STL.

In fact the winner of the 4/5 bloodbath, which likely will include Bradley, has a good shot at Drake in semifinal Saturday.

Drake has outstanding team chemistry, ball movement, confidence and some good players. Props to Keno, the good doc for bringing in good kids and Drake fans everywhere for their patience. Pay off time is here.

[TrueBlueJay]

Being sent to Omaha doesn't sound like a reward deserving the Bulldogs awesome season.

Am I missing something? It would not be a reward for Drake to get sent to Omaha? Two hours away on a floor where your team plays ever year and to have friendly fans in the arena is not a reward?

[jaypharmalum]

Am I missing something? It would not be a reward for Drake to get sent to Omaha? Two hours away on a floor where your team plays ever year and to have friendly fans in the arena is not a reward?

I got my 9 all session tickets to the First two rounds of the NCAA at the Qwest today. I'm hoping that Drake and Kansas both come to Omaha.. should we start the bidding at _____ ?

:valley:

[Khan4Cats]

Hey, UNI has the most wins against top-50 RPI teams out of anyone in the Valley (2). Must mean we have the best wins, huh? We have to be favored for post-season play, right? NO. and NO.


I'm just curious as to what it will take for Drake to be looking good for the NCAA. I realize they could lose the rest of their conference games and finish 10-8 and somewhere in the middle of mess of teams in the Valley. But if they get Butler in Bracketbusters and win would that qualify them, since they will have beaten a post-season worthy team (other than UNI of course:innocent:)?

What about if they win all of their conference games but lose Bracketbusters to Butler? Still not good enough since they won't have beaten any locks?

What about if Duquesne goes on a freaking run the rest of the way in the A-10? Will that move them into a really good win category?

Sorry, just don't see any of the above happening, but I still believe that Drake will be Dancing regardless of what they do in St. Louis. Barring a total collapse or even something like a 4-5 finish to the season, they're in.

[WSUbballer]

You are right DUBulldog doesn't usually make stupid points. Dawgie has done so several times, but that doesn't make his current point about Drakes lack of tournament quality opponents any less valid.

You seriously disagree with that premis? I don't see how you can. It's plainly in black in white on kenpom and other RPI sites. Its been discussed on here ad nauseum about the "down" valley. The facts are the facts.

You somehow see that stating the facts somehow takes away from what Drake has done. It doesn't. It's very impressive that they are 17-1, but that doesnt change the colors of the zebra stripes. Why is that unacceptable? Do you think by not mentioning we are somehow gonna hide it and keep the selection committe/public from seeing it. I just don't get it.

I think your source of disagreement comes from the words I highlighted in your response. You have more of a problem with who said it than the point.

Drake's schedule isn't stellar. I get that. Does that diminish the fact that they've still won 18 straight games against a SOS in the mid 70's (which is above average)?

Why does Joe Lunardi think Drake is a No.4 seed right now?

It does bother me to a certain extent that Dawgie thinks he's right all the time. I feel he should be sent to his place in times (well every time) he argues something on here. I just like letting him know he's not as bright as he thinks he is.

[WSUbballer]

First off I have no obsession and what would I possibly be Jealous of with Wichita State.

Second off calling me a bandwagon fan is just further proof that you are one of the biggest fools that post on this board.

Well let's see... You come into a basketball related discussion involving Drake and SIU and bring up the great point that WSU sucks. Wow, way to bring something to the table, ya old d-bag hypocrite.

I remember when the wheels were falling off the bus in December. You gave yourself a self-imposed ban from posting because you were so pissed off about your team. Now that your team has found its way to win against the likes of Evansville and is now back at .500, you've made your way back. What a pencil-pushin' fair weatherer.

Go have another drink.

[WSUbballer]

when did SIU's team come into this discussion? When did i say SIU was good, or Drake was bad. Again, re-read my original post. I said we'll find how GOOD drake is, not how bad.

I Think Drake is a good team, but we they haven't played any other high quality teams to really judge where they are at. Agreed, their schedule is what it is, but don't dispute the fact that it is what it is. It is void of any high quality teams, such as they will find in the NCAA tournament. You can't dispute that fact.

Just for the record, SIU is not a NCAA tourney quality team this year, and won't be.

You're missing the point. I said insert SIU in for Drake right now. Give SIU Drake's schedule, current winning streak, ranking, and undefeated conference record. If this happened, your feelings would undoubtedly be different. And that's my point. You're, for some reason, jealous of what Drake's doing. Because they're Drake and they haven't been a factor in 30 years, they have something to prove with their 19-1 record. But if it was SIU, you'd be all about how good SIU is and how they are 10-0 in the conference and how they would have to be good since they've won 18 in a row, no matter how difficult the schedule was.

You just can't accept the fact in your little pea-sized brain that Drake is good and SIU is not. It's pretty lame, but from you, pretty typical.

[WSUbballer]

Being sent to Omaha doesn't sound like a reward deserving the Bulldogs awesome season.

You lost me here.. What the hell are you talking about?.. :helpsmilie:

Drake will not win the tournament in STL.

I don't get why the SIU fans are so defiant when it comes to Drake and success? Why will Drake not win the tournament? If SIU was Drake's position, would you feel the same way?

I just don't get all the SIU fans/bandwagoners coming out and unleashing all the hate. I really hope Drake puts a raping on the Uglies in Carbonslum so all these haters get woken up with a rude awakening.

[underdawg2]

It's not Drake, it's not the Shuckers, it's not anyone in particular--we're just defiant. If you're not p*ssed off when you're not winning, you shouldn't be playing. We're going to fight as hard as we can each and every game the rest of the season---book it.

[TrueBlueJay]

It's not Drake, it's not the Shuckers, it's not anyone in particular--we're just defiant. If you're not p*ssed off when you're not winning, you shouldn't be playing. We're going to fight as hard as we can each and every game the rest of the season---book it.

I'm impressed we have either a coach or a player posting on VT now.

[Keita44]

I would much rather play somewhere closer to South Padre Island.......:lol:

[WSUbballer]

It's not Drake, it's not the Shuckers, it's not anyone in particular--we're just defiant. If you're not p*ssed off when you're not winning, you shouldn't be playing. We're going to fight as hard as we can each and every game the rest of the season---book it.

Is that you Randy?.. :naughty: ..


..Randy Faulker?

[barkeep1967]

Well let's see... You come into a basketball related discussion involving Drake and SIU and bring up the great point that WSU sucks. Wow, way to bring something to the table, ya old d-bag hypocrite.

I remember when the wheels were falling off the bus in December. You gave yourself a self-imposed ban from posting because you were so pissed off about your team. Now that your team has found its way to win against the likes of Evansville and is now back at .500, you've made your way back. What a pencil-pushin' fair weathere



Well they do suck so I don't see your point there ? You are seemingly on a one person mission to rip on everything that involves SIU so lets really think about who is jealous of who shall we.

I never posted anything about not coming on here because I was pissed about the team.I don't post much because of the Cesspool this site has become I am still pissed about the team. Beating Evansville twice and beating Creighton at home means little to me besides winning when you are supposed to. I didn't find my way back I never left.

Just because your a total ****** bag that wants to turn everything into a flame war does not mean everybody wants to. You and people like you are the biggest reason why most of the good posters are no longer around. I hope you and your ilk are proud you have successfully destroyed a decent message board.


Back on topic.

Good luck the rest of the way to the Bulldogs the rest of the way( except vs SIU of course). You Drake fans deserve any good fortune you get for your faithfulness and patience.

[WSUbballer]

Well they do suck so I don't see your point there ?

And that has what to do with at the topic at hand? Quit with the hypocritical jargon already. If you're gonna expose your hate for WSU on here, at least do it on a WSU thread.

You are seemingly on a one person mission to rip on everything that involves SIU so lets really think about who is jealous of who shall we.

You wish that was the case, but unfortunately, it's not.. Mr. Old Hypocrite, Let's get this straight. You come onto here posting your hate for WSU (which I could care less) and I'm the jealous one? LOL. Take some geritol and clear your colon of all the junk built up in it. It's not good for you and can also lead to nasty fumes.

I never posted anything about not coming on here because I was pissed about the team.I don't post much because of the Cesspool this site has become I am still pissed about the team. Beating Evansville twice and beating Creighton at home means little to me besides winning when you are supposed to. I didn't find my way back I never left.

You left when SIU was down. You're back when SIU puts together a couple of wins and is finally floating above .500.. coincidence? It's ok. Bandwagon disease seems to be a common thing from your parts. We're used to it.

Just because your a total ****** bag that wants to turn everything into a flame war does not mean everybody wants to. You and people like you are the biggest reason why most of the good posters are no longer around. I hope you and your ilk are proud you have successfully destroyed a decent message board.

Do you think you're a saint or something? I discuss basketball, or try to, unless some rodent like yourself gets in the way. You're the one who came in here starting at me, off-topic, and totally unrelated to basketball. At least the people I engage with like to keep things related to basketball and the Valley, even if I completely disagree with them. All you could muster was a 'hey you suck, just like your team' weak***** entrance which makes you out to be a total hypocrite. You're undoubtedly SIU's worst representative ever. Pond scum can create better arguments and less hypocritical bull***** than you. How do ya like them apples?

Back on topic.

Go figure. Another false statement. You were never on topic to begin with.

Go get drunk somewhere else. This doesn't represent the Southern Illinois University fanbase very well.

[barkeep1967]

Wow. Interesting.. SIU has now become a final four team again. Got some cash to back that prediction up with?

Doubt it..


Your first post in this thread well before I even got involved.

Obsess much ?


You left when SIU was down. You're back when SIU puts together a couple of wins and is finally floating above .500.. coincidence? It's ok. Bandwagon disease seems to be a common thing from your parts. We're used to it.

Once again I never left but it's your story.


Do you think you're a saint or something? I discuss basketball, or try to, unless some rodent like yourself gets in the way. You're the one who came in here starting at me, off-topic, and totally unrelated to basketball. At least the people I engage with like to keep things related to basketball and the Valley, even if I completely disagree with them. All you could muster was a 'hey you suck, just like your team' weak***** entrance which makes you out to be a total hypocrite. You're undoubtedly SIU's worst representative ever. Pond scum can create better arguments and less hypocritical bull***** than you. How do ya like them apples?

Not a saint and I never claimed to be. You don't discuss basketball. You are a troll who tries to elicit a response by being ridiculous. Your a Cold wanna be with nowhere near his talent. Worst representative ? laughable but ok. If you want people to argue with you on your level maybe you should start a Warcraft thread or something like that where you would actually know what you are talking about. And sorry I freakin hate apples.

[Dawg_tired]

Here's my advice. Try for a minute to put your self in a place where the team you love reaches the depths of shat. We're not publicly funded. We have academic standards that are challenging to a basketball program. We don't have bury the guy who can't read majors. And all of a sudden, we're frikken 19-1 against teams who have been drilling our arse for 30 years. Then fans of teams who have been drilling our arse after 30 years come on here and say we're not all that even though we just drilled your arse. How cool is that? What does that say about you as a person...a basketball fan. I don't give an intercourse about what Dawgieshat says...he's an idiot. No Drake fans have been on here talking smack. We're grateful for the year. It's magic. Karma speaks. This shat about FakeDrake...not impressed is an insult to your teams. It's saying you lost to a fake team. To an unimpressive team. I don't know how you could look your players in the eye with anything but embarrassment over your shallowness. You're not insulting Drake, you're insulting them. So have the intercourse at it.

[WSUbballer]

Your first post in this thread well before I even got involved.

Obsess much ?

Your reading comprehension and quote collecting isn't your brightest areas in life.

This was actually my first post in this thread:
Considering the season Drake is having now, that is an even more amazing stat to ponder about.

How was Drake a play-in team last year and virtually return the exact lineup, even minus a few starters, and become a such a dominant team? The turnaround is simply mind-boggling. But I'm definitely happy for you guys.

I do agree that if DU wins the Valley tournament, the Valley is a one-bid league. There is no way in hell CU or ISU gets in now with at-larges with some questionable losses and no quality OOC wins.

This was your first post in this thread:

Ballers problem is his team is horrid so he must do whatever he can to draw attention to himself. Pretty sad really.

Nice try, but you lose again. Your hypocritical nature and obsession is top-notched. There aren't many like you. I do admit.. I love watching you try.

Once again I never left but it's your story.

Ironically, the first step in the long road to recovery is denial.

Not a saint and I never claimed to be. You don't discuss basketball. You are a troll who tries to elicit a response by being ridiculous. Your a Cold wanna be with nowhere near his talent. Worst representative ? laughable but ok. If you want people to argue with you on your level maybe you should start a Warcraft thread or something like that where you would actually know what you are talking about. And sorry I freakin hate apples.

lol.. I don't discuss basketball?

All you do when you post here is piss and whine and get up all over my sac. That's all I've ever seen you post. Honestly. That's it. Never SIU. Never basketball. Never sport-related, period, as evidence by you and this thread.

How would you know about this 'Warcraft'? I guess you know more about it than me..

It's fun watching you unravel all over the place. It's kinda sad at the same time. SIU is lucky to have you as one of their own.

Keep up the good work, pops.

[barkeep1967]

Your right I bow to your trolling powers. I am sorry I helped you destroy yet another thread. Pat yourself on the back and run up from the basement and tell mommy how you won another Troll battle. The only thing I will take exception with is you calling me a bandwagon anything. I have been attending Southern Illinois University basketball games since well before you were born. We have seen a whole lot of lean years in the 80's and 90's. I am still rooting for my team regardless of the fact hey need a serious run just to make the NIT. I will however root for my team and not find reason to atttack the other nine teams in the conference. I think I will just take the route of the rest of the better posters and bid farwell for a while. I am far too smart as to allow myself to be drug down to your level again.


To Drake fans I apologize for helping in tanking this thread. Enjoy the season and maybe I will see some of you on the 13th.

[tmmroy]

Guys, just stop, please just stop, I swear, I go away for two days so that I wouldn't say something stupid that would destroy Drake's karma (by gloating or something) AND THEN I FIND THIS THREAD, we're going to lose all of our remaining games by at least 100 points because of this thread. People are crowning us champs, Drake fans saying stuff the relegates their IQs to the single digits, it's all bad so someone please just close it!
Start on reversing this thread:
my predictions for the next two Drake games
InSU 1547
DU 7
IlSU 1923
DU 2

[WSUbballer]

Pat yourself on the back and run up from the basement and tell mommy how you won another Troll battle.

You call it a battle; I call it a slaughtering.

The only thing I will take exception with is you calling me a bandwagon anything.

Maybe if you'd show yourself the next time the Salukis have a marathon losing streak, I'd reconsider. But for right now, it's just all too coincidental.

I will however root for my team and not find reason to atttack the other nine teams in the conference.

Including that yellow and black team? Would you even root for 'em if they were playing, say Duke?

I think I will just take the route of the rest of the better posters and bid farwell for a while. I am far too smart as to allow myself to be drug down to your level again.

Maybe you should've thought of that before you started posting useless, off-topic crap into it.

You started it, so I hadda finish it..

Until your next winning streak.. good day.

[barkeep1967]

My last post in this thread.

Maybe if you'd show yourself the next time the Salukis have a marathon losing streak, I'd reconsider. But for right now, it's just all too coincidental.

Look at my post history I have been here all year. I might have missed a few days here and there bit I du have something called a JOB.


Including that yellow and black team? Would you even root for 'em if they were playing, say Duke?

You got me there. You and your fellow Shucks Trolls have pretty much made sure the only way I would root for Wichita is if it could help Southern Illinois


Maybe you should've thought of that before you started posting useless, off-topic crap into it.

You started it, so I hadda finish it..

Revisionist history is a solid troll tactic. I already showed who started the trash talk in this thread and it sure was not me.

[AcePurple]

I actually just read every post on this thread. I think it made my IQ drop about 5 points. That whole section over the "Battle of Semantics" was sure enlightening. It moved me so much that it made me feel compelled to prove that I, too, can post useless drivel.

[ISUBob]

You guys have way too much time on your hands>>>>Jeez. Lets not pee on Drake's parade. What a great year for the Bulldogs!!:bulldogs::bulldogs::banana:

[WSUbballer]

My last post in this thread.

I thought the one before was supposed to be the last one??

Look at my post history I have been here all year. I might have missed a few days here and there bit I du have something called a JOB.

I do too. Go figure. Is it a coincidence that most of the gaps between postings involve the same time period SIU was peeing down its pants?

You got me there. You and your fellow Shucks Trolls have pretty much made sure the only way I would root for Wichita is if it could help Southern Illinois

I'm glad internet postings have that much effect on your life. I can't believe how important we all are to you. Um.. thanks?

Revisionist history is a solid troll tactic. I already showed who started the trash talk in this thread and it sure was not me.

It wasn't? I've been discussing basketball-related stuff throughout until you showed up.

Once again, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Here's your first post in the thread, which happens to be 'trash talk' and nothing to do with the whole dissing of Drake which is the subject of the thread:

Ballers problem is his team is horrid so he must do whatever he can to draw attention to himself. Pretty sad really.

And there ya go. Try to actually show some interest in the whole subject of basketball the next time you grace us with your presence, instead of just calling me out for something totally unassociated with the topic at hand. It'll make the hate eating inside of you look more hidden.

[gus_dog]

Try to actually show some interest in the whole subject of basketball the next time you grace us with your presence, instead of just calling me out for something totally unassociated with the topic at hand. It'll make the hate eating inside of you look more hidden.

LMFAO!!!! Are you a comedian or a delusional freak? You can't possibly be serious? If you are, maybe you should seek out some professional help. I'll just believe that you're trying to be funny. Good job!