MVC awards--Adam Emmenecker POY

[Ferocious Cat]

Congrats to him, and congrats to :bulldogs:

http://www.mvc-sports.com//ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7600&ATCLID=1403220

[shockball]

LARRY BIRD MVC PLAYER OF THE YEAR -- Adam Emmenecker, Drake
NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR -- P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton
FRESHMAN OF THE YEAR -- P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton
DEFENSIVE MVP -- Bryan Mullins, Southern Illinois
SIXTH-MAN OF THE YEAR -- Booker Woodfox, Creighton
PRAIRIE FARMS SCHOLAR-ATHLETE OF THE YEAR -- TBA (March 6)
MOST IMPROVED TEAM CAPTAIN -- TBA (March 5)
‘RAWLINGS’ MVC COACH OF THE YEAR -- TBA (March 6)

 Emmenecker set the Drake single-season assist mark at 177, bettering the previous record of 174 set by Al Stewart last year. His 6.10 per game average led the Missouri Valley Conference. Perhaps the most improbable MVC Player of the Year (based on pre-season expectations) in league history, Emmenecker entered the season with 64 career assists and 57 total points in his three previous seasons at Drake, which featured 58 games and two starts. This year, the senior started every game for Drake and led the team in minutes. His single-season marks this year of 223 points, 129 rebounds and 177 assists all more than doubled his cumulative career totals.

 Emmenecker has helped the Bulldogs to a 25-4 overall mark and 15-3 conference record as Drake earned the tournament's top seed for the first time in the league's 32-year tournament history. At one point this year, Drake had won a school-record 21-straight games.

 Emmenecker is the first Drake player to earn the league's top honor since 1993, when Curt Smith was voted the league's Player of the Year. Only two other Drake players have earned the top honor in the MVC, which began honoring Players of the Year in 1969 (Jeff Halliburton-1971 and Lewis Lloyd-1980 and 1981).

 The league's Freshman of the Year and Newcomer of the Year is P'Allen Stinnett. In his first year at Creighton, the first-year player from Brewster (N.H.) Academy via Las Vegas (Nev.) led the Bluejays in scoring with a 12.2 points per game average. He was second in steals for Dana Altman's ballclub, with 48, and also added 3.4 rebounds per game. He's the second Bluejay to win Newcomer of the Year honors in the past three seasons (Nick Porter in 2006). Ryan Sears was the last Bluejay to win Freshman of the Year honors, doing so in 1998.

 Bryan Mullins of Southern Illinois highlights the league's all-Defense unit, earning the league's Defensive Player of the Year honor. A Saluki has won the honor in four of the past five years. Mullins ranked second in the conference in steals per game while earning selection to the defensive squad for the third-straight season.

 For the 12th-consecutive season, the league's head coaches selected a “Sixth Man Award” recipient, and this season’s honor goes to Creighton's Booker Woodfox. The honor is presented to the league's top reserve player (one who has started fewer than 25 percent of his team's games). Woodfox did not start any of Creighton's games, yet was one of the Bluejays' top scorers, averaging 9.1 points, and led the team with 46 treys.

2008 All-Missouri Valley Conference Men’s Basketball Team

First Team Yr. Pos. Ht. Hometown
Jeremy Crouch, Bradley Sr. G 6-5 Pekin (Ill.) High
Osiris Eldridge, Illinois State So. G 6-3 Chicago (Ill.) Phillips Academy
Adam Emmenecker, Drake Sr. G 6-1 Saginaw (Mich.) Arthur Hill High
Randal Falker, Southern Illinois Sr. F 6-7 St. Louis (Mo.) Gateway Tech
Josh Young, Drake So. G 6-1 Lawton (Okla.) Lawton Christian High

Second Team
Eric Coleman, Northern Iowa Sr. C 6-6 Maplewood (Minn.) Tartan High
Jonathan Cox, Drake Jr. F 6-8 Barrington (Ill.) High
Leonard Houston, Drake Sr. G 6-3 Holland (Mich.) West Ottawa High
Deven Mitchell, Missouri State Sr. F 6-5 Springfield (Mo.) Kickapoo High
Bryan Mullins, Southern Illinois Jr. G 6-2 Downers Grove (Ill.) High

Honorable-Mention Selections
Shy Ely, Evansville Jr. F/G 6-4 Indianapolis (Ind.) Speedway High
Gabe Moore, Indiana State Sr. G 6-1 Little Rock (Ark.) Mills High
Daniel Ruffin, Bradley Sr. G 5-10 Peoria (Ill.) Central High
Anthony Slack, Illinois State Sr. F 6-7 New Orleans (La.) John F. Kennedy High
P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton Fr. G 6-3 Las Vegas (Nev.) Brewster (N.H.) Academy

All-Newcomer Team
Ramon Clemente, Wichita State Jr. F 6-6 Queens (N.Y.) Paris Junior College
Sam Maniscalco, Bradley Fr. G 6-0 Chicago (Ill.) St. Patrick High
P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton Fr. G 6-3 Las Vegas (Nev.) Brewster (N.H.) Academy
Theron Wilson, Bradley Jr. G 6-5 Topeka (Kan.) Highland Park High
Booker Woodfox, Creighton Jr. G 6-1 Lewisville (Texas) High

All-Freshman Team
J.T. Durley, Wichita State Fr. F 6-7 Pittsburg (Texas) High
Kenny Lawson Jr., Creighton Fr. C 6-9 Oceanside (Calif.) Vista High
Sam Maniscalco, Bradley Fr. G 6-0 Chicago (Ill.) St. Patrick High
Isiah Martin, Indiana State Fr. F 6-8 Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park High
P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton Fr. G 6-3 Las Vegas (Nev.) Brewster (N.H.) Academy
Pieter van Tongeren, Evansville Fr. C 6-9 Driehuis, The Netherlands (Ichthus College HS)

All-Defensive Team (selected by coaches)
PJ Couisnard, Wichita State Sr. G/F 6-4 Houston (Texas) Yates High
Randal Falker, Southern Illinois Sr. F 6-7 St. Louis (Mo.) Gateway Tech
Gabe Moore, Indiana State Sr. G 6-1 Little Rock (Ark.) Mills High
Bryan Mullins, Southern Illinois Jr. G 6-2 Downers Grove (Ill.) High
Boo Richardson, Illinois State Sr. G 5-8 Kansas City (Kan.) Wyandotte High
Anthony Slack, Illinois State Sr. F 6-7 New Orleans (La.) John F. Kennedy High

[DoubleJayAlum]

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2008 All-Missouri Valley Conference Men’s Basketball Team

First Team Yr. Pos. Ht. Hometown
Jeremy Crouch, Bradley Sr. G 6-5 Pekin (Ill.) High
Osiris Eldridge, Illinois State So. G 6-3 Chicago (Ill.) Phillips Academy
Adam Emmenecker, Drake Sr. G 6-1 Saginaw (Mich.) Arthur Hill High
Randal Falker, Southern Illinois Sr. F 6-7 St. Louis (Mo.) Gateway Tech
Josh Young, Drake So. G 6-1 Lawton (Okla.) Lawton Christian High

Second Team
Eric Coleman, Northern Iowa Sr. C 6-6 Maplewood (Minn.) Tartan High
Jonathan Cox, Drake Jr. F 6-8 Barrington (Ill.) High
Leonard Houston, Drake Sr. G 6-3 Holland (Mich.) West Ottawa High
Deven Mitchell, Missouri State Sr. F 6-5 Springfield (Mo.) Kickapoo High
Bryan Mullins, Southern Illinois Jr. G 6-2 Downers Grove (Ill.) High

Honorable-Mention Selections
Shy Ely, Evansville Jr. F/G 6-4 Indianapolis (Ind.) Speedway High
Gabe Moore, Indiana State Sr. G 6-1 Little Rock (Ark.) Mills High
Daniel Ruffin, Bradley Sr. G 5-10 Peoria (Ill.) Central High
Anthony Slack, Illinois State Sr. F 6-7 New Orleans (La.) John F. Kennedy High
P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton Fr. G 6-3 Las Vegas (Nev.) Brewster (N.H.) Academy

All-Newcomer Team
Ramon Clemente, Wichita State Jr. F 6-6 Queens (N.Y.) Paris Junior College
Sam Maniscalco, Bradley Fr. G 6-0 Chicago (Ill.) St. Patrick High
P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton Fr. G 6-3 Las Vegas (Nev.) Brewster (N.H.) Academy
Theron Wilson, Bradley Jr. G 6-5 Topeka (Kan.) Highland Park High
Booker Woodfox, Creighton Jr. G 6-1 Lewisville (Texas) High

All-Freshman Team
J.T. Durley, Wichita State Fr. F 6-7 Pittsburg (Texas) High
Kenny Lawson Jr., Creighton Fr. C 6-9 Oceanside (Calif.) Vista High
Sam Maniscalco, Bradley Fr. G 6-0 Chicago (Ill.) St. Patrick High
Isiah Martin, Indiana State Fr. F 6-8 Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park High
P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton Fr. G 6-3 Las Vegas (Nev.) Brewster (N.H.) Academy
Pieter van Tongeren, Evansville Fr. C 6-9 Driehuis, The Netherlands (Ichthus College HS)

All-Defensive Team (selected by coaches)
PJ Couisnard, Wichita State Sr. G/F 6-4 Houston (Texas) Yates High
Randal Falker, Southern Illinois Sr. F 6-7 St. Louis (Mo.) Gateway Tech
Gabe Moore, Indiana State Sr. G 6-1 Little Rock (Ark.) Mills High
Bryan Mullins, Southern Illinois Jr. G 6-2 Downers Grove (Ill.) High
Boo Richardson, Illinois State Sr. G 5-8 Kansas City (Kan.) Wyandotte High
Anthony Slack, Illinois State Sr. F 6-7 New Orleans (La.) John F. Kennedy High

Apparenly Dana should be coach of the year since the Jays finished fourth without a single player appearing on the first or second team all-MVC :innocent:

[Little Eddie]

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Apparenly Dana should be coach of the year since the Jays finished fourth without a single player appearing on the first or second team all-MVC :innocent:


Wha???

[Dawg_tired]

Dana should recruit more walkons.

It's a great day to be a Bulldog.

[BradleyBrave]

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Apparenly Dana should be coach of the year since the Jays finished fourth without a single player appearing on the first or second team all-MVC :innocent:

Well, they were a game away from 6th and had the NOY/FOY and 6th man of the Year, so I am not sure I agree with that.

I am kind of surprised Stinnett got NOY over Theron Wilson. Oh well. Maybe that will motivate Wilson come Friday.

[DawgieStyle]

Congrats to him, although I'ma bit shocked, and think Young and Eldridge got screwed. They are twice the player Emmenecker is.

This ended up being a popularity contest and feel good story because he was a walk on and a sr. and NOT! about who was the best player in the conference in my opinion.

Young and Eldridge are much better players than emmenecker. They don't have the sappy walk on story, and they aren't seniors (which I assume the voters thought those 2 could win in it in future years), but they are better players from a talent stand point and a statisitcal stand point, and that's what this award is supposed to be about, it is named after Larry Bird for crying out loud.

I don't want to take anything away from Emmenecker, he's a good player, but I feel like Young and Eldridge royally got screwed. They were heads and shoulders above any other players in the valley this year.

[outpost]

Maybe if Dana would have honored his commitment to coach in Fayetteville, he might've been COY. :naughty:

Congrats to all recipients....even JT Durley, whose presence on the all-frosh team is extremely surprising......

[DoubleJayAlum]

I am kind of surprised Stinnett got NOY over Theron Wilson. Oh well. Maybe that will motivate Wilson come Friday.

I actually thought Booker Woodfox would get NOY.

[DUBulldog]

In the understatement of the century, I will say......Nobody could have seen this coming before the season. Hell, we had a poll on Drakenation during the summer asking who people thought would be Drake's starting point guard. 4 different players received votes....Adam Emmenecker was not one of them. That's right, not a single person who voted on Drakenation thought Emmenecker would even start for Drake.

And now he's POY.

Congrats, Adam.

[TNMSUFAN]

We sucked so I know that is part of it but Dale Lamberth should have been somewhere. Just in conference games he is 2nd in the Valley in scoring and 8th in rebounding. Again I know we weren't very good...just sayin

[Dawg_tired]

Congrats to him, although I'ma bit shocked, and think Young and Eldridge got screwed. They are twice the player Emmenecker is.

This ended up being a popularity contest and feel good story because he was a walk on and a sr. and NOT! about who was the best player in the conference in my opinion.

Young and Eldridge are much better players than emmenecker. They don't have the sappy walk on story, and they aren't seniors (which I assume the voters thought those 2 could win in it in future years), but they are better players from a talent stand point and a statisitcal stand point, and that's what this award is supposed to be about, it is named after Larry Bird for crying out loud.

I don't want to take anything away from Emmenecker, he's a good player, but I feel like Young and Eldridge royally got screwed. They were heads and shoulders above any other players in the valley this year.

Okay, I give up. You are smarter than all the coaches who voted for him. I do have a question for you though ******Shooter, were you born with mental deficiences or did your mama drop you on your head?

[bberilam]

Biggest Snub.... Dale Lamberth. Find someone with better stats than Lamberth

Scroll down to the middle of the page and find someone with better stats... maybe eldridge.... maybe.

http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/CONFONLY.HTM

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I understand everyone had to put Drake players on there because they are the champions but c'mon... that doesn't just get them in regardless.

I'll pick on Shy Ely...Lamberth beat Ely in EVERY statistical category I could find except minutes played and a 1 rebound difference in defensive rebounding... more than made up by Dales offensive rebounds. EVERY STATISTICAL CATEGORY!

The next guy I would pick on is Deven Mitchell... Dale deserved it more than him. Next Guy is Crouch... first team!?!??? WHAT?!? Dale scored more and rebounded more. Dale also was among the leaders NATION WIDE in not turning the ball over... kenpom has him ranked something like 9th.

[bberilam]

and congrats to those who got on the team. They must have voted before the last two games.

[shockball]

In the understatement of the century, I will say......Nobody could have seen this coming before the season. Hell, we had a poll on Drakenation during the summer asking who people thought would be Drake's starting point guard. 4 different players received votes....Adam Emmenecker was not one of them. That's right, not a single person who voted on Drakenation thought Emmenecker would even start for Drake.

And now he's POY.

Congrats, Adam.

Congrats to Adam. There was a pre season poll on shockernet and Adam was picked as POY. What a difference in acumen between the two fan bases.

[Khan4Cats]

Congratulations to the honorees.

Not sure Coleman deserved second team, given his inconsistencies all year, but he's still a heck of a player when he's in the right mood.


Big question for Dawgie Style: Did you make this strong an argument for Patrick O'Bryant to be POY a couple years ago since he was clearly the best player in the league, at least by NBA-Draft Lottery standards? He was certainly a dominating prescence, but POY?

Emmenecker deserves the mention because of the all the things he does that don't show up in the stat sheets. He just flat out puts his team in poistion to win by what he does on the floor, and his team won more than any other. They beat Eldridge's team twice and they won without Young. Could they have won without Emmenecker?

[DawgieStyle]

Okay, I give up. You are smarter than all the coaches who voted for him. I do have a question for you though ******Shooter, were you born with mental deficiences or did your mama drop you on your head?

just my opinoin, it isn't as much about emmenecker winning it, as Young (also a player from you beloved Drake) and Eldridge getting royally screwed.

I simply think this award was bout a feel good story and not about the best player this year. I think it's sad. The kid was rewarded because the media will love the story of a walk on becoming a POY and that he was a senior.

I'm sorry, my opinion is that Young and Eldridge got screwed over and that voters ignored what this award is really about, honoring the best PLAYER! not the best story.

What do you want me to say? You want me to lie and tell you I'm happy about the league's most important award going to a feel good story and not to one of the 2 players that actually dominated the league this year?

I saw every player in the valley this year, in person. It's not even a contest. Eldridge and Young were the 2 best players I saw all year.

[DawgieStyle]

Congratulations to the honorees.

Not sure Coleman deserved second team, given his inconsistencies all year, but he's still a heck of a player when he's in the right mood.


Big question for Dawgie Style: Did you make this strong an argument for Patrick O'Bryant to be POY a couple years ago since he was clearly the best player in the league, at least by NBA-Draft Lottery standards? He was certainly a dominating prescence, but POY?

Emmenecker deserves the mention because of the all the things he does that don't show up in the stat sheets. He just flat out puts his team in poistion to win by what he does on the floor, and his team won more than any other. They beat Eldridge's team twice and they won without Young. Could they have won without Emmenecker?

its not the most valuable player award, its Player of the year award. Which in my mind means best talent, and player who played up to their potential (POB didn't do that, he was lazy sometimes). Young and Eldridge have a higher talent level than emmenecker, and they played up to their talent potential, which in a logical world means they are better players.

Let me put it another way, if you were going to draft players for a new MVC team, who would you select #1 based on this past season?

[Majik45]

Next Guy is Crouch... first team!?!??? WHAT?!? Dale scored more and rebounded more.


Ummm, did you see Crouch's stats for the year. If you click on your link, he's the 3rd leading scorer in conference games only, 11th in assists (over 3 a game and he's not a pg), tied for 1st in free throw %, tied for 7th in steals, not to mention the most made 3's a game. Crouch definitely deserved 1st team.

[MVC Fan]

but they are better players from a talent stand point and a statisitcal stand point, and that's what this award is supposed to be about, it is named after Larry Bird for crying out loud.

Really? Which of those 3 players ranks highest in assists? Steals? FT%? FTs made? Rebounds (that's a trick question, Eldridge has more than Emmenecker who has more than Young)

Emmenecker ranks quite a bit better than both in a whole bunch of categories, he just doesn't rank highest in the one you want. Tough. Eldridge & Young didn't get hosed, they just didn't win the award because voters chose to look at a # of categories instead of just one. There is no criteria anywhere on this planet that says that they are wrong because they didn't base it on only points.

[MVC Fan]

Let me put it another way, if you were going to draft players for a new MVC team, who would you select #1 based on this past season?

Considering I believe a PG to be the most important player on a team, I'd draft Emmenecker. Young & Eldridge are terrific scorers, but Drake did not suffer much drop-off when Josh was out, Leonard Houston picked up the slack just fine. I'd be glad to pick up Leonard in a later round, let others start w/a scorer and end up w/a nobody at PG and laugh all the way to the championship.

[Nyghtewynd]

Once again...players on seventh-place teams cannot be that valuable. If they were so valuable, they wouldn't have finished seventh.

[DawgieStyle]

Considering I believe a PG to be the most important player on a team, I'd draft Emmenecker. Young & Eldridge are terrific scorers, but Drake did not suffer much drop-off when Josh was out, Leonard Houston picked up the slack just fine. I'd be glad to pick up Leonard in a later round, let others start w/a scorer and end up w/a nobody at PG and laugh all the way to the championship.

Your entitled to your opinion, but I disagree completely. and I'll leave it at that.

[douglasdmb]

Once again...players on seventh-place teams cannot be that valuable. If they were so valuable, they wouldn't have finished seventh.

I know that these awards are influenced by how well a given player's team performs in the season, but it's not the MVP. Ely played on the last-place team and didn't have as good of a year as Lamberth did, so your logic doesn't make sense.

[dogdays]

How did this happen......

March 4, 2008


ST. LOUIS, Mo. - For the fifth time in the last seven seasons, a Saluki men's basketball player has won the Missouri Valley Conference Defensive Player-of-the-Year award.

The league announced Tuesday that junior guard Bryan Mullins has won the the distinction in 2008, following in the footsteps of Rolan Roberts (2002), Darren Brooks (2004, 2005) and Randal Falker (2007). Mullins ranks second in the league in steals with 2.1 per game.

Both Falker and Mullins were also named to the all-conference and all-defense teams. Falker was a first-team all-league pick for the second-straight year, after he led Southern in scoring (12.9 ppg) and rebounding (7.1 rpg). Mullins was a second-team all-conference selection and averaged 11.0 ppg and 5.1 apg.

Drake senior guard Adam Emmenecker was named the 2008 Larry Bird MVC Player of the Year. Emmenecker set the Drake single-season assist mark at 177, bettering the previous record of 174 set by Al Stewart last year. His 6.10 per game average led the Valley. Perhaps the most improbable MVC Player of the Year (based on pre-season expectations) in league history, Emmenecker entered the season with 64 career assists and 57 total points in his three previous seasons at Drake, which featured 58 games and two starts.

The league's Freshman of the Year and Newcomer of the Year is P'Allen Stinnett. In his first year at Creighton,he led the Bluejays in scoring with a 12.2 points per game average.The "Sixth Man Award" recipient is Creighton's Booker Woodfox. Woodfox did not start any of Creighton's games, yet was one of the Bluejays' top scorers, averaging 9.1 points, and led the team with 46 treys.

2008 All-Missouri Valley Conference Men's Basketball Team
First Team Jeremy Crouch, Bradley Sr. G
Osiris Eldridge, Illinois State So. G
Adam Emmenecker, Drake Sr. G
Randal Falker, Southern Illinois Sr. F
Josh Young, Drake So. G 6-1


Second Team Eric Coleman, Northern Iowa Sr. C
Jonathan Cox, Drake Jr. F
Leonard Houston, Drake Sr. G
Deven Mitchell, Missouri State Sr. F
Bryan Mullins, Southern Illinois Jr. G


Honorable-Mention Selections
Shy Ely, Evansville Jr. F/G
Gabe Moore, Indiana State Sr. G
Daniel Ruffin, Bradley Sr. G
Anthony Slack, Illinois State Sr. F
P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton Fr. G


All-Newcomer Team
Ramon Clemente, Wichita State Jr. F
Sam Maniscalco, Bradley Fr. G
P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton Fr. G
Theron Wilson, Bradley Jr. G
Booker Woodfox, Creighton Jr.


All-Freshman Team
J.T. Durley, Wichita State Fr. F
Kenny Lawson Jr., Creighton Fr. C
Sam Maniscalco, Bradley Fr. G
Isiah Martin, Indiana State Fr. F
P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton Fr. G
Pieter van Tongeren, Evansville Fr. C


All-Defensive Team (selected by coaches)
PJ Couisnard, Wichita State Sr. G/F
Randal Falker, Southern Illinois Sr. F
Gabe Moore, Indiana State Sr. G
Bryan Mullins, Southern Illinois Jr. G
Boo Richardson, Illinois State Sr. G
Anthony Slack, Illinois State Sr. F


All-Bench Team (selected by beat writers)
TBA (March 5)

Most-Improved Team (selected by beat writers)
TBA (March 5)

[LincolnJay]

Lamberth got royally screwed.

Dane Watts should have been honorable mention or something. We are toast without him inside this year.

Kinda funny that a guy who scored 42 in one game {first to do it in conference since 1999?} didn't get anything but Witter was quite inconsistent.

Falker making first team is a total joke. The preseason POY's total book of business this year was woefully lacking versus the hype. He played better at the end but not 1st team better.

Same basic argument for Coleman and his 2nd team pick.

[kevinmitchell]

These awards are always tough to vote on--guys get left out. I really don't like Adam E. for POY. He just isn't the best player in the league. Hes about the 23rd and 4th best on his team.

I would have voted for Young ahead of him---but I personally feel the best player in the league is Osiris Eldridge. He's tough.

As a BU fan I'm happy for Jeremy Crouch. He's had a real nice career and it's good to see a local kid get honored. Theron Wilson and Sammy M. were also deserving and I think P'Allen is the best Newcomer to the league. Bradley got the honorees they deserved, IMO.

[Dawg_tired]

Your entitled to your opinion, but I disagree completely. and I'll leave it at that.

That will be a first.

[outpost]

Lamberth got royally screwed.

Dane Watts should have been honorable mention or something. We are toast without him inside this year.

Kinda funny that a guy who scored 42 in one game {first to do it in conference since 1999?} didn't get anything but Witter was quite inconsistent.

Falker making first team is a total joke. The preseason POY's total book of business this year was woefully lacking versus the hype. He played better at the end but not 1st team better.

Same basic argument for Coleman and his 2nd team pick.

Makes me wonder......was Lynnrick Rogers named to an all-anything team?

Sorry Drake Fans, but every year about this time, his name is mysteriously implanted in my mind......

[dogdays]

Doesnt Watts suffer from the same kind of thing Matt Shaw does...inconsistancy......now, I may be wrong because I have not seen him play that much...but when he has played against SIU he has rarely been any kind of factor...again, I dont know, havent seen him much but seems like the same issues Shaw has. And I agree, the best player in the league right now is Osiris Eldridge...;.

[DUBulldog]

Makes me wonder......was Lynnrick Rogers named to an all-anything team?

Sorry Drake Fans, but every year about this time, his name is mysteriously implanted in my mind......

2nd team all-MVC in 1994-95 and 1995-96....HM in 1996-97.

Member of Drake's All-Century Team (20 players).

It's not like he was some nobody before he torched WSU.

[kevinmitchell]

2nd team all-MVC in 1994-95 and 1995-96....HM in 1996-97.

Member of Drake's All-Century Team (20 players).

It's not like he was some nobody before he torched WSU.

He was one of my favorite non-Bradley players. Great name too.

[outpost]

2nd team all-MVC in 1994-95 and 1995-96....HM in 1996-97.

Member of Drake's All-Century Team (20 players).

It's not like he was some nobody before he torched WSU.

Nope.....just wanted to ascertain a few facts.

He was one of my favorite non-Bradley players. Great name too.

Great Name, and [at least] one Great Game.

[WSUbballer]

I would just like personally thank God for not allowing Dawgie to vote on anything in this conference.

Thankfully, his opinion means giraffe poo-poo.

[Aegyptus]

I am satisfied with Emmenecker. He is not even the best player on his own team, but sometimes talent takes a back seat to sheer determination and hard work. This is one of those cases. Congrats to Adam.

[Dawg_tired]

I think Eldridge is a great player/scorer. But did he make others on his team better? He's tied for top scoring honors with Josh Young. He's number 10 in field goal percentage. He is not in the top 15 in free throw percentage. Adam is 10. He's 13 in rebounding, adam is 20. Adam is first in assists...Eldridge is not in the top 15. Adam is third in steals. Eldridge is 13 behind Young and Houston. Three point percentage, Young is first, cox is second and Eldridge is tenth. Offensive rebounds Emmenecker is tenth, Eldridge is not in the top 15. Three pointers made, young is second, OE is 3. Assists to turnovers, Emmenecker is sixth, Eldridge is not in the top 12. Defensive reboound, Eldridge is 10, Adam is not in the top ten. So, as I look at it, the only place Eldridge really shows up at the top of the conference is scoring. Past that, he's statistically good, but not great. You'd have a difficult time statistically giving him POY over Young.

[WSUbballer]

Kinda funny that a guy who scored 42 in one game {first to do it in conference since 1999?} didn't get anything but Witter was quite inconsistent.

It was a great feat, but one game of scoring 42 in a game with a total of over 220 points doesn't equal post season honors. More consistency next year will likely elevate his stature.

Falker making first team is a total joke. The preseason POY's total book of business this year was woefully lacking versus the hype. He played better at the end but not 1st team better.

I totally agree.

He was expected to lead the Dawgs to the Final Four and that aint happening. He was a second-teamer at best.

[Aegyptus]

I will agree that Falker was not justified on the First Team, as well. He was way to inconsistent. He can be dominate, but that is only when he shows up. There were far to many games when he disappeared for long stretches or got in foul trouble early.

Also, I have no problem with Emmenecker as POY, but does the POY have to be on the First Team also? If it were up to me I would take Falker and Emmenecker off the First Team and add Mitchell and Mullins instead - or Houston. That would be fine with me too.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Congrats to him, although I'ma bit shocked, and think Young and Eldridge got screwed. They are twice the player Emmenecker is.

This ended up being a popularity contest and feel good story because he was a walk on and a sr. and NOT! about who was the best player in the conference in my opinion.

Young and Eldridge are much better players than emmenecker. They don't have the sappy walk on story, and they aren't seniors (which I assume the voters thought those 2 could win in it in future years), but they are better players from a talent stand point and a statisitcal stand point, and that's what this award is supposed to be about, it is named after Larry Bird for crying out loud.

I don't want to take anything away from Emmenecker, he's a good player, but I feel like Young and Eldridge royally got screwed. They were heads and shoulders above any other players in the valley this year.

Was it at least impressive for Emmenecker to royally screw Young and Eldridge?

[underdawg2]

Falker making first team is a total joke. The preseason POY's total book of business this year was woefully lacking versus the hype. He played better at the end but not 1st team better.



He was doubled and tripled team all year when teams hit us with their zone defenses--no one could play SIU or Falker man-up the whole game--even Ben Jacobson realized that---and said as much at his post game news conference; for sure the Nevada Reno 7 footer that was torn a new one by Falker found out

:lol:

[DawgieStyle]

I am satisfied with Emmenecker. He is not even the best player on his own team, but sometimes talent takes a back seat to sheer determination and hard work. This is one of those cases. Congrats to Adam.

THE FLIPPING AWARD ISN'T ABOUT THE HARDEST WORKER OR ANYTHING ELSE!!!!

It's about the best player, period. That's what's wrong with this whole freaking thing.

[Dawg_tired]

DawgieStool, usually...although there are rare exceptions...when EVERYBODY but one person interprets things one way, and that ONE person interprets things another. That ONE person is wrong. And you have the honor...yes the honor and curse of living your life as that ONE person. Enjoy.:nopity:

[gutwrencher]

I don't want to take anything away from Emmenecker, he's a good player, but I feel like Young and Eldridge royally got screwed. They were heads and shoulders above any other players in the valley this year.

I'll agree that Young is a stud. But you are wrong.

Take Young away from the Bulldogs and although it would HURT LIKE HELL....we still had some good shooters and we won 3 big games WITHOUT him. Take away OE and you still have a bunch of really good Redbird players. Young is not ready to LEAD the team. He WILL be ready for the next season and for the remainder of his stay here, which btw, is all too short.

Take away AE and you lose the surgeon that runs the ER. You lose the most important piece. The general. The dude in charge.

No......AE IS.....PLAYER.....OF......THE.....YEAR!:bulldogs:

Way to go, Adam.

FWIW....and IMHO.:valley:

[JSMBulldog]

Why are we even arguing?

The people who deserved the honors, got them.

AE is player of the year because he is the man who makes the best team run.

[Timmy]

Falker making first team is a total joke. The preseason POY's total book of business this year was woefully lacking versus the hype. He played better at the end but not 1st team better.


Apparently college basketball coaches in the midwest would tend to disagree with you...

March 4, 2008

The National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) announced today the NABC Division I All-District teams, recognizing the nation's best men's collegiate basketball student-athletes.

Saluki forward Randal Falker was one of four Missouri Valley Conference players named to one of the 15 all-district teams. Falker was joined on the District 11 Second Team by Illinois State's Osiris Eldridge and Bradley's Daniel Ruffin. Drake's Josh Young was a District 12 second-teamer.

Selected and voted on by member coaches of the NABC, these student-athletes represent the finest basketball players across America. The 150 student-athletes, from 15 districts, are now eligible for the State Farm Division I All-America teams to be announced on Saturday, April 5, at the 2008 NABC Convention in San Antonio.

District 11

First Team
Drew Neitzel Michigan State
Dominic James Marquette
Brian Butch Wisconsin
Raymar Morgan Michigan State
Dan Coleman Minnesota


Second Team
Osiris Eldridge Illinois State
Randal Falker Southern Illinois
Daniel Ruffin Bradley
Jerel McNeal Marquette
Manny Harris Michigan

[Mick Taylor]

Terre Haute writer blogs about his ballot ...

http://blogs.tribstar.com/downinthevalley/

He had Ruffin in his First Team and explains why.

[MSNSaluki]

Matt Shaw was robbed!!!:lol:

[getreal4]

Emmenecker is the best pt guard Drake has had in 30 years. We only wish Dr Tom would have redshirted Adam, can you imagine another year with Emmenecker & Young leading the mighty Bulldogs?

[drakeguy]

Emmenecker is the best pt guard Drake has had in 30 years. We only wish Dr Tom would have redshirted Adam, can you imagine another year with Emmenecker & Young leading the mighty Bulldogs?

We would be talking preseason top 25, with Emmencker, Young, and Cox. However, I have high hopes for Josh Parker next year, he shows both flashes of brilliance and youth. The nice thing is the youth part can be taken care of.

Way to go Adam.
:bulldogs:
:valley: POY

[getreal4]

And don't forget our new juco pt guard Craig Stanley from Denton TX. Another well rounded ballhandler who knows how to play the pt!

[JerryBearSeinfeld]

SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS. Dale Lamberth 2nd in Valley scoring, 8th in rebounds and gets nothing?
:doh:

[Keita44]

THE FLIPPING AWARD ISN'T ABOUT THE HARDEST WORKER OR ANYTHING ELSE!!!!

It's about the best player, period. That's what's wrong with this whole freaking thing.

You can disagree with who the award was given to, but you have to admit that you were wrong about who would get it, and you have to give some dap to AE for winning it (he does deserve it).

[Keita44]

And don't forget our new juco pt guard Craig Stanley from Denton TX. Another well rounded ballhandler who knows how to play the pt!

Haven't heard much about this kid, except that he is tearing up the juco.

Anyone have a link to some evaluation or ratings?


As far as JP goes, I love the kid and believe that he can be a real asset next year. He does need to mature and learn how to control the offense better (too many times this year when he entered, the offense dropped way off). He has also shown the ability to shoot, which will help the big guys down low. I think Keno helped him out a lot by finding some playing time, even in the close games for him.

[Aces1982]

I agree w Dawgie....I don't think he is the best player in the conference. I don't think he should have won POY. But he did. Congrats to him.

[bberilam]

It was a great feat, but one game of scoring 42 in a game with a total of over 220 points doesn't equal post season honors. More consistency next year will likely elevate his stature.


Well he averaged more points than EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE except Eldridge. You can't just throw out certain games and say... well he averaged less in his normal games. Also he's a senior he won't be back.

[DUBulldog]

As far as JP goes, I love the kid and believe that he can be a real asset next year. He does need to mature and learn how to control the offense better (too many times this year when he entered, the offense dropped way off).

FWIW, last season, especially in MVC games, Drake's offense ground to a complete halt every time Emmenecker came in.

That is not intended to be a slam on Adam, but it's the way I remember things. I guess what I'm saying is don't judge Parker for next season based on what he did this year. We all know what Emmenecker did when given to run the team full time.

Parker is full speed all the time.....as he gets more experience, he'll learn when to throttle down and when to push it.

[904 Alumni]

Congrats to him, although I'ma bit shocked, and think Young and Eldridge got screwed. They are twice the player Emmenecker is.

This ended up being a popularity contest and feel good story because he was a walk on and a sr. and NOT! about who was the best player in the conference in my opinion.

Young and Eldridge are much better players than emmenecker. They don't have the sappy walk on story, and they aren't seniors (which I assume the voters thought those 2 could win in it in future years), but they are better players from a talent stand point and a statisitcal stand point, and that's what this award is supposed to be about, it is named after Larry Bird for crying out loud.

I don't want to take anything away from Emmenecker, he's a good player, but I feel like Young and Eldridge royally got screwed. They were heads and shoulders above any other players in the valley this year.

Agree 100%

[Ferocious Cat]

I don't think AE is the most talented player in the conference, but that is not the award. When Drake fans agree that he is the centerpiece of a miraculous season...BELIEVE THEM.

Watching Drake it seemed he was "driving the car","the straw that stirs the drink", or simply the glue...he did what needed to be done to win.
Congrats AE.

[WSUbballer]

THE FLIPPING AWARD ISN'T ABOUT THE HARDEST WORKER OR ANYTHING ELSE!!!!

It's about the best player, period. That's what's wrong with this whole freaking thing.

POY = MVP.

MVP = Most VALUABLE Player.

Most VALUABLE Player.

val·u·a·ble /ˈvælyuəbəl, -yəbəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[val-yoo-uh-buhl, -yuh-buhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. having considerable monetary worth; costing or bringing a high price: a valuable painting; a valuable crop.
2. having qualities worthy of respect, admiration, or esteem: a valuable friend.
3. of considerable use, service, or importance

The Player of the Year award doesn't go necessarily to the best athlete and most talented athlete in the conference.

It goes 'typically' to a member of a team who was invaluable in helping that team attain a conference championship. Without AE, Drake likely doesn't win a conference championship. Period. Have a nice day.

Maybe you're in the wrong. Maybe? Perhaps?

Nah, too big of an ego to admit it.. :no:

[WSUbballer]

Well he averaged more points than EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE except Eldridge. You can't just throw out certain games and say... well he averaged less in his normal games. Also he's a senior he won't be back.

Cavel Witter is a senior? Funny.. It says on the Creighton website that he's only a sophomore..

Cavel Witter is the league's second leading scorer..?

I think you need to reread my post again, look at what's being quoted, keep it in context, and offer up an act of apology.. :innocent:

[DU1978nowSF]

This has been a great ride through the Valley this year but man we are only getting better as a conference.

Look at the above quotes about our teams.

Right now we concentrate on the Tourney the the NCAAs..:bulldogs:

But next year the Valley will rock even more...:valley:

Look out BCS.....:valley:

[Brave2001]

POY = MVP.

MVP = Most VALUABLE Player.

Maybe you're in the wrong. Maybe? Perhaps?

Nah, too big of an ego to admit it.. :no:

Maybe you're in the wrong. Maybe? Perhaps?

Nah, too big of an ego to admit it.. :no:

Applies to you too.

If it was the MVP award they would have called it the freaking MVP...how hard is that to comprehend.

I don't know if he should have won it, I haven't seen everyone play this year, but to say that Dawgie (and 3 or 4 others so far who have agreed with him) is wrong because he doesn't think the POY=MVP is ludicrous. Show me where that is spelled out in the bylaws of the MVC. I bet if you took a poll on here you would not come up with 100% agreement that POY = MVP (I'm guessing it'd be somewhere around 60/40).

He stated his opinion, he explained his rational logicaly, and he backed it up. Yet everyone calls him an idiot. An idiot would have been a person who said, Emmenecker sucks he doesn't deserve the POY and left it at that. But in your world and several others on here, if someone simply doesn't agree with you even though its a well thought out position they are an idiot.

The mob mentality at its best. We can thank our current leaders for instilling this kind of "your either with us, or against us" kind of attitude.

I assure you, it's OK for someone to have a dissenting opinion. It's OK for someone to express that. It's OK for us to discuss it on here. It's OK to question who gets the damn award. It's OK to discuss what the criteria should be for the award.

It's not a freaking taboo subject and Emmenecker won't crumple in the corner and feel diminished because a bunch of valley fans are discussing the merits of the award and whether he was the best person to get it.

This site makes me sick on a daily basis anymore. I know Dawgie is a bit abrasive, but I can't stand that he and others are simply drug through the mud, called idiots, told to go away, etc, etc simply because they have a minority opinion. I'd maybe understand this if their positions weren't spelled out and explained why they feel that way, but they are.

If someone simply said 'player x sucks'...go ahead rip him a new one, but that rarely happens on here. Most of the time the opinion is stated and explained, but instead of actually discussing it, a select vocal minorities first response and only response is 'you're an idiot'. Wow way to make a meaningful contribution to the board. Hell if this is the way you people act in real life...what a wonderful contribution to society (no wonder we are going to hell in a hand basket).

[MVC Fan]

Terre Haute writer blogs about his ballot ...

http://blogs.tribstar.com/downinthevalley/

He had Ruffin in his First Team and explains why.

Huh, look at that. He has 3 Drake players on his 1st team. I believe someone called out a Des Moines writer as a 'homer' for doing such a thing...is this guy a Drake homer too? :naughty:

I really like that 'column' or 'blog', not only listing his picks but backing them up. That's quality coverage for the MVC, sounds like he follows the league quite well.

[IheartBU]

http://www.mvc-sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=36371&SPID=2901&DB_OEM_ID=7600&ATCLID=1403210

2008 MISSOURI VALLEY CONFERENCE ALL-BENCH TEAM
Student-Athlete, School, Yr., Pos., Ht., Hometown (High School/Last School)
Chris Cooks, Missouri State Jr. F 6-4 Idabel (Okla.) High
Emmanuel Holloway, Illinois St. Jr. G 6-2 Atlanta (Ga.) Woodland High
Isiah Martin, Indiana State Fr. F 6-8 Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park High
Cavel Witter, Creighton So. G 5-11 Kansas City (Mo.) Ruskin High
*Booker Woodfox, Creighton Jr. G 6-1 Lewisville (Texas) High

2008 MISSOURI VALLEY CONFERENCE MOST-IMPROVED TEAM
Student-Athlete, School, Yr., Pos., Ht., Hometown (High School/Last School)
Jonathan Cox, Drake Jr. F 6-8 Barrington (Ill.) High
Shy Ely, Evansville Jr. F/G 6-4 Indianapolis (Ind.) Speedway High
*Adam Emmenecker, Drake Sr. G 6-1 Saginaw (Mich.) Arthur Hill High
Leonard Houston, Drake Sr. G 6-3 Holland (Mich.) West Ottawa High
Andrew Warren, Bradley So. G 6-5 Indianapolis (Ind.) Brebeuf Jesuit High

*--indicates team captain.

[shockball]

There were 3 Drake players on the 1st team Wichita Eagle blog also. With backup. Des Moines, Wichita and Terre Haute are all Bulldog homers.

Three Drake players on the MVC most improved team. Me thinks it's Keno who is the prime mover and the common denominater for this assault on the awards. Maybe Dr. Tom should get a little piece of the pie also.
:bulldogs:

[WSUbballer]

Brave01,

Do you ever get tired of defending your brother to no end? Does this help pay him back for him helping you move? What a sweetheart.

Keep on a latchin'.

[Brave2001]

Brave01,

Do you ever get tired of defending your brother to no end? Does this help pay him back for him helping you move? What a sweetheart.

Keep on a latchin'.

It's not about defending him. It's about the general attitude of people on this board towards posters with a minority veiw point that they have explained (it doesn't matter if its Dawgie or not...thought I made that pretty clear).

And your "keep on a latchin'" remark is a perfect example, not to mention your entire reply. I'm not trying to single you out, this applies to anyone (though it was in response to your post, but that was just the last straw so to speak with the whole minority opinion thing). It just doesn't help your cause any that the exact thing I see wrong with the general attutude by a vocal set of people on this board is the exact same way you responded to me in. Condescending, Arrogant, Presumptive, and Antagonistic.

You couldn't actually respond or discuss what I posted, you just passed it on as defending Dawgie and having an obsession with you.

I can't help that Dawgie has a minority and opinion and also happens to be my bro. It doesn't change the fact that I think the tone of this board has changed to a mob mentality of only agreeing with the popular opinion and doing otherwise labels you an idiot. If that means I'm defending him, so be it, but its only a by product of getting sick and tired of seeing the moron and idiot tags thrown out for a dissenting opinion.

I'm dissenting ...I await the idiot response or giraffe poo poo response or the hanging on ballers balls response or the defending dawgie response. In true Baller fashion...predictable.

[WSUbballer]

The 5 paragraph essay was a predictable Brave01 response.

The fact that you quoted me was sufficient enough to assume that you were singling me out.. (which I don't really care anyways, just saying).

Is it just a strange coincidence that Dawgie is in the minority with everything he says ALL the time?

It's ok to go against the grain and offer up a nice, legitimate opinion. Unfortunately for Dawgie, one can only assume to think there's something not quite right with him when he does this all the time with little to zero validity to back up his wild claims. Some of things aren't even arguable, they're common fact, and he still finds ways to go up against the hill.

It amazes me and I'm sure it amazes a lot of the people in here (judging by their responses to him).

I can't help the fact that Dawgie has built up a forgettable reputation of being an idiot.

Defend him all you want. He's your brother and I understand.

Oh and Adam Emmenecker was the best player in the Valley this year.

[DawgieStyle]

Brave01,

Do you ever get tired of defending your brother to no end? Does this help pay him back for him helping you move? What a sweetheart.

Keep on a latchin'.

let's get one thing absolutely, freaking perfectly clear.

I don't need defended by anyone, from anyone, especially you, DawgTired, and McBulldog, the three amigos of personal attacks, pedophile jokes, and flat out crudeness that exceeds anything I've ever posted on this site.

The day you "try" to intimidate me, scare me, make fun of me, etc. so much that I change my opinion or point of view, etc. with out factual evidence or proof as to why I should, is the day I need to leave this Message board entirely.

I got news for you, I aint going anywhere.

[DawgieStyle]

the question isn't that Emmenecker is the POY, obvioulsy, the voters think so...the questions is, should he have been, and were the precedents of past POY voting changed to focus on value to a team rather than raw skill displayed through out the season despite where their team finished in the standings.

[WSUbballer]

let's get one thing absolutely, freaking perfectly clear.

I don't need defended by anyone, from anyone, especially you, DawgTired, and McBulldog, the three amigos of personal attacks, pedophile jokes, and flat out crudeness that exceeds anything I've ever posted on this site.

The day you "try" to intimidate me, scare me, make fun of me, etc. so much that I change my opinion or point of view, etc. with out factual evidence or proof as to why I should, is the day I need to leave this Message board entirely.

I got news for you, I aint going anywhere.

:lol:

[WSUbballer]

Somehow if SIU won the Valley and Bryan Mullins won POY, I have a funny feeling Dawgie would have an entirely different point of view.

[DawgieStyle]

Somehow if SIU won the Valley and Bryan Mullins won POY, I have a funny feeling Dawgie would have an entirely different point of view.

no, because that's insane, he can defend, that's about it. He isn't worthy of POY,wasn't even close.

[CousinMose]

The 5 paragraph essay was a predictable Brave01 response.

The fact that you quoted me was sufficient enough to assume that you were singling me out.. (which I don't really care anyways, just saying).

Is it just a strange coincidence that Dawgie is in the minority with everything he says ALL the time?

It's ok to go against the grain and offer up a nice, legitimate opinion. Unfortunately for Dawgie, one can only assume to think there's something not quite right with him when he does this all the time with little to zero validity to back up his wild claims. Some of things aren't even arguable, they're common fact, and he still finds ways to go up against the hill.

It amazes me and I'm sure it amazes a lot of the people in here (judging by their responses to him).

I can't help the fact that Dawgie has built up a forgettable reputation of being an idiot.

Defend him all you want. He's your brother and I understand.

Oh and Adam Emmenecker was the best player in the Valley this year.


The fact that Dawgiestyle always seems to be in the minority may have something to do with the fact he is the only one with the energy to be constantly defending himself.

[WSUbballer]

no, because that's insane, he can defend, that's about it. He isn't worthy of POY,wasn't even close.

Dawgie.

Slowwwww dowwwwn annndd reaadddddd morreee careefulllllllyyyyy.

I said 'if" 'IF' '..IF..' Bryan Mullins won POY, your opinion on the whole issue would magically have changed.

I think everyone knows in reality he isn't worthy of it. I'm being hypothetical here Dawgie.

Now repost.

[WSUbballer]

The fact that Dawgiestyle always seems to be in the minority may have something to do with the fact he is the only one with the energy to be constantly defending himself.

I'm getting double-teamed by the Z's as we speak.

I can't help the fact that he likes being put in that position.

I don't think you've been here long enough to get a legitimate grasp on the whole situation.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

no, because that's insane, he can defend, that's about it. He isn't worthy of POY,wasn't even close.

I don't know, Mullins has a pretty cool dunk in that SIU commercial :grin:

[DawgieStyle]

I don't know, Mullins has a pretty cool dunk in that SIU commercial :grin:

:lol: you don't know how hard I laughed the first time I saw that, I'm like, Mullins can't even Dunk, they could have at least used Falker or somebody who could legitimately Dunk the ball.

[CousinMose]

I can't help the fact that he likes being put in that position.

That's what she said.

I don't think you've been here long enough to get a legitimate grasp on the whole situation.

That is pretty presumptive don't you think? You have no idea how long I have been reading and not posting, and this issue doesn't seem complex enough to require a certain amount of time spent on the board to understand.

That being said, that wasn't my point in the first place. Many others may share his opinions, they just don't care to get into a spitting match over them.

[Dawg_tired]

let's get one thing absolutely, freaking perfectly clear.

I don't need defended by anyone, from anyone, especially you, DawgTired, and McBulldog, the three amigos of personal attacks, pedophile jokes, and flat out crudeness that exceeds anything I've ever posted on this site.

The day you "try" to intimidate me, scare me, make fun of me, etc. so much that I change my opinion or point of view, etc. with out factual evidence or proof as to why I should, is the day I need to leave this Message board entirely.

I got news for you, I aint going anywhere.

Remember that scene from In Search of the Holy Grail where the knight protecting the bridge gets his arms chopped off, then his legs and still continues to fight even though the battle is totally lost? That's DawgieStool.

[DUBulldog]

Remember that scene from In Search of the Holy Grail where the knight protecting the bridge gets his arms chopped off, then his legs and still continues to fight even though the battle is totally lost? That's DawgieStool.

http://www.blisshouse.com/images/Monty_Python_2__limbless_Black_Knight.JPG

[WSUbballer]

http://www.blisshouse.com/images/Monty_Python_2__limbless_Black_Knight.JPG

:lol:

Nice analogy DT.

Nice picture to go with the analogy DU.

[drakeguy]

the question isn't that Emmenecker is the POY, obvioulsy, the voters think so...the questions is, should he have been, and were the precedents of past POY voting changed to focus on value to a team rather than raw skill displayed through out the season despite where their team finished in the standings.


POY stands for Player of the Year, not Precedent of the Year. As to the focus changing to team rather than player.

1997 Jason Daisy UNI (4th Place Team finish)
1998 Rico Hill Illinois State (1st Place)
1999 Marcus Wilso Evansville (1st Place)
2000 Nate Green Indiana State (1st Place)
2001 Tarise Bryson Illinoise State (2nd Place)
2002 Kyle Korver Creighton (2nd Place)
2003 Kyle Korver Creighton (2nd Place)
2004 Darren Brooks SIU (1st Place)
2005 Darren Brooks SIU (1st Place)
2006 Paul Miller WSU (1st Place)
2007 Jamaal Tatum SIU (1st Place)
2008 Adam Emmenecker Drake (1st Place)

8 out of the last 12 awards have gone to a player on the first place team. It isn't a new concept, but here are some stats you keep asking for. If not the the first place, of the other 4 years three went to the second place team.

As much as it isn't called MVP, it isn't called the raw skill displayed throughout the season award. Noone on this board debates that Emmenecker has the most raw skill. However, he did play to the highest level the most consistantly. If it went to pure raw skill displayed, Houston could have easily won it. However, precendent shows that it goes to the most consistant, most essential player, that happens to be on one of the best teams.

[DawgieStyle]

POY stands for Player of the Year, not Precedent of the Year. As to the focus changing to team rather than player.

1997 Jason Daisy UNI (4th Place Team finish)
1998 Rico Hill Illinois State (1st Place)
1999 Marcus Wilso Evansville (1st Place)
2000 Nate Green Indiana State (1st Place)
2001 Tarise Bryson Illinoise State (2nd Place)
2002 Kyle Korver Creighton (2nd Place)
2003 Kyle Korver Creighton (2nd Place)
2004 Darren Brooks SIU (1st Place)
2005 Darren Brooks SIU (1st Place)
2006 Paul Miller WSU (1st Place)
2007 Jamaal Tatum SIU (1st Place)
2008 Adam Emmenecker Drake (1st Place)

8 out of the last 12 awards have gone to a player on the first place team. It isn't a new concept, but here are some stats you keep asking for. If not the the first place, of the other 4 years three went to the second place team.

As much as it isn't called MVP, it isn't called the raw skill displayed throughout the season award. Noone on this board debates that Emmenecker has the most raw skill. However, he did play to the highest level the most consistantly. If it went to pure raw skill displayed, Houston could have easily won it. However, precendent shows that it goes to the most consistant, most essential player, that happens to be on one of the best teams.

Rico Hill, Darren Brooks, Kyle Korver, and I say possibly, Jamal Tatum WERE the best players in the league the years they won it. All except Tatum, are no brainers in my opinion, they happened to be on the best teams.

[Dawg_tired]

http://www.blisshouse.com/images/Monty_Python_2__limbless_Black_Knight.JPG

I'm lovin it.......:bulldogs::bulldogs::bulldogs::bulldogs:: lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Dawg_tired]

Rico Hill, Darren Brooks, Kyle Korver, and I say possibly, Jamal Tatum WERE the best players in the league the years they won it. All except Tatum, are no brainers in my opinion, they happened to be on the best teams.

Now that's not a very funny walk now is it?

[DawgieStyle]

Now that's not a very funny walk now is it?

what the heck are you talking about?

[Dawg_tired]

what the heck are you talking about?

I didn't expect you to understand. Other posters with broader exposure to the world will get it.

[DawgieStyle]

I didn't expect you to understand. Other posters with broader exposure to the world will get it.

I suppose you are just too old and wise for me....:noexpression: Again, you make the assumption you know who I am, where I've been, etc. etc. based on the postings of a message board. I would think someone as wise as you :innocent:, would know better.

[Keita44]

I didn't expect you to understand. Other posters with broader exposure to the world will get it.

I thought it was pretty obvious.....don't know how DS didn't get it.

Must be a :jester:

[DawgieStyle]

I thought it was pretty obvious.....don't know how DS didn't get it.

Must be a :jester:

I admit, I'm lost, I have no idea what he meant by funny walk. I guess the bright side is that I can't take too much offense to it if I don't get the joke.

[Keita44]

I admit, I'm lost, I have no idea what he meant by funny walk. I guess the bright side is that I can't take too much offense to it if I don't get the joke.

No, but we can make fun of you for it....:innocent:

[DawgieStyle]

No, but we can make fun of you for it....:innocent:

and that's different than any other time on this board? Has it kept me from posting? Has it changed my opinion? You do realize none of your "tactics" have derailed me one bit. In fact, they've made my resolve stronger.

[Birdfan10]

funny walks is the most overrated Monty Python sketch. Give me dead parrott any day.

[Keita44]

and that's different than any other time on this board? Has it kept me from posting? Has it changed my opinion? You do realize none of your "tactics" have derailed me one bit. In fact, they've made my resolve stronger.


It makes it all that much more fun.

Serious question here for you:

If Drake is the only team to make the NCAA tourney of the MVC, will you cheer for the Bulldogs?

[Dawg_tired]

funny walks is the most overrated Monty Python sketch. Give me dead parrott any day.

It's Dead!!!

[DawgieStyle]

ahhhh....No wonder. I hate Monty Python, dry, boring, British humor. I've probably never even seen what you are talking about. I can't even make it through a half hour of Monty Python and the holy grail, It's awful.

Give me Blazing Saddles any day.

[Dawg_tired]

I suppose you are just too old and wise for me....:noexpression: Again, you make the assumption you know who I am, where I've been, etc. etc. based on the postings of a message board. I would think someone as wise as you :innocent:, would know better.

Ding! Ding! Ding! You've been right twice today. Shat. I'm impressed.

[Dawg_tired]

ahhhh....No wonder. I hate Monty Python, dry, boring, British humor. I've probably never even seen what you are talking about. I can't even make it through a half hour of Monty Python and the holy grail, It's awful.

Give me Blazing Saddles any day.

Yeah...it doesn't compare to the red neck humor of CableGuy and dumb and dumber.

[DawgieStyle]

Yeah...it doesn't compare to the red neck humor of CableGuy and dumb and dumber.

Yes yes, only intelligent humor for that Harvard Scholar Dawg Tired. good god, you are in love with your self.

[Brave2001]

ahhhh....No wonder. I hate Monty Python, dry, boring, British humor. I've probably never even seen what you are talking about. I can't even make it through a half hour of Monty Python and the holy grail, It's awful.

Give me Blazing Saddles any day.

I admit I've not seen a lot of Monty Python either, but I have seen the Holy Grail...several times....how and the hell don't you like it.

Bring out your dead....I ain't dead yet.

[DawgieStyle]

I admit I've not seen a lot of Monty Python either, but I have seen the Holy Grail...several times....how and the hell don't you like it.

Bring out your dead....I ain't dead yet.

I just don't. They don't make me laugh. Neither do these "new" comedies like Super Bad and Knocked up, etc. They aren't funny.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

ahhhh....No wonder. I hate Monty Python, dry, boring, British humor. I've probably never even seen what you are talking about. I can't even make it through a half hour of Monty Python and the holy grail, It's awful.

Give me Blazing Saddles any day.

Figures, he hates Monty Python, but thinks this is the height of humor:

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[DawgieStyle]

Figures, he hates Monty Python, but thinks this is the height of humor:

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this coming from some one who probably thinks Stephen Colbert is truly a conservative.

[WSUbballer]

It makes it all that much more fun.

Serious question here for you:

If Drake is the only team to make the NCAA tourney of the MVC, will you cheer for the Bulldogs?

I noticed Dawgie quickly ran past this question Keita..

Makes ya wonder..

[DawgieStyle]

I noticed Dawgie quickly ran past this question Keita..

Makes ya wonder..

I will always cheer for a valley team in the tourney unless they play SIU in some miracle.

[Brave2001]

It makes it all that much more fun.

Serious question here for you:

If Drake is the only team to make the NCAA tourney of the MVC, will you cheer for the Bulldogs?

I think I can honestly answer that for him and say yes. I know he likes to play devil's advocate on here, but he does truly love the valley. The problem he gets into is he tries to look at issues that involve valley teams from an "outsider" perspective or in his words he tries to not be a "homer" about his opinions about the valley and its teams. He tries to be unbiased (though he's not....I think thats impossible for anyone) and that comes off as him not "liking" the valley or its teams.

I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he'll be cheering Drake on for as long as they are in the tourney.

Oh and just for you Dawgie...more python:

"O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy."

[DawgieStyle]

I think I can honestly answer that for him and say yes. I know he likes to play devil's advocate on here, but he does truly love the valley. The problem he gets into is he tries to look at issues that involve valley teams from an "outsider" perspective or in his words he tries to not be a "homer" about his opinions about the valley and its teams. He tries to be unbiased (though he's not....I think thats impossible for anyone) and that comes off as him not "liking" the valley or its teams.

I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he'll be cheering Drake on for as long as they are in the tourney.

Oh and just for you Dawgie...more python:

"O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy."


and just for you Animal house.."they took the bar, the whole @#$$# bar"

[Dawg_tired]

DawgieStool. If you haven't figured it out yet. The more you post the more idiot you are. Shoot him and put him out of his stupidity. I just can't stand to watch the show anymore. Frick.:no::no::no::no::no:

[Mecha_Bulldog]

this coming from some one who probably thinks Stephen Colbert is truly a conservative.

No, but I do have enough sense to find this funny:

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[Dawg_tired]

No, but I do have enough sense to find this funny:

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Yes mecha...that is funny. For dry English humor.

[DawgieStyle]

DawgieStool. If you haven't figured it out yet. The more you post the more idiot you are. Shoot him and put him out of his stupidity. I just can't stand to watch the show anymore. Frick.:no::no::no::no::no:

oh get over your self, if this was about any team other than Drake or player not from Drake, you'd have a completely different outlook on all of this and don't act like you wouldn't.

[Dawg_tired]

oh get over your self, if this was about any team other than Drake or player not from Drake, you'd have a completely different outlook on all of this and don't act like you wouldn't.

Sorry. You really have to work to be as stupid as you've been. Do you try? Do you work at it? Is it intentional or an accident? Who's comming to your defense? No body. You're not a minority, you're the ONLY one. Stupidity has few friends.

[DawgieStyle]

Sorry. You really have to work to be as stupid as you've been. Do you try? Do you work at it? Is it intentional or an accident? Who's comming to your defense? No body. You're not a minority, you're the ONLY one. Stupidity has few friends.

that's BS, I am not the only one who think Adam Emmenecker didn't deserve the POY. Several others on this thread alone have said they agree with me. And many media outlets in their own POY awards such as SI, have said Josh Young was the POY. So how is it I'm the only one?

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

I just don't. They don't make me laugh. Neither do these "new" comedies like Super Bad and Knocked up, etc. They aren't funny.
***

How Can You Not Find This Funny??!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS97C3_yTiQ)

[DawgieStyle]

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How Can You Not Find This Funny??!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS97C3_yTiQ)

it just wasn't. These new comedies aren't funny. It wasn't that long ago when Dodge ball, old school, van wilder, wedding crashers, swingers and High Fidelity were out. Those were funny movies. I also love Caddy shack, PCU, animal house, stripes, Blues Brothers, etc.

[Dawg_tired]

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How Can You Not Find This Funny??!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS97C3_yTiQ)

Shat I need CPR.

[DannyCooksey]

Man.......why does everyone pile onto Dawgie? Seriously?:helpsmilie:

The guy just has a differing opinion. At least he takes the time and makes the effort to explain his rationale even if it's not a majority view. I respect that about him. I suspect some that rip him actually do agree with him but it's easier to play follow the leader.

Oh yeah...........Monty Python..........:no: I agree with Dawgie on that. I get the joke but it's just not funny to me. Not sure how liking Monty Python equates one as being worldly and culturally refined but that's just me.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

it just wasn't. These new comedies aren't funny. It wasn't that long ago when Dodge ball, old school, van wilder, wedding crashers, swingers and High Fidelity were out. Those were funny movies. I also love Caddy shack, PCU, animal house, stripes, Blues Brothers, etc.

That link I posted = teh funnay!

While Superbad and Knocked up arent knock out drag out hilarious to not call them funny is well.......

FYI the same people behind Dodgeball,Old School and the like are behind both of the movies as well.

and for the record I dont think British people are that funny either. I like Sasha Cohen and all but it isnt that great.

[DawgieStyle]

That link I posted = teh funnay!

While Superbad and Knocked up arent knock out drag out hilarious to not call them funny is well.......

FYI the same people behind Dodgeball,Old School and the like are behind both of the movies as well.

and for the record I dont think British people are that funny either. I like Sasha Cohen and all but it isnt that great.

I have no doubts the same guys are behind the new movies, I just think they are catering to a younger generation, and I don't find any of it funny.

[MoValley John]

Blazing Saddles fart scene: Funny.
Holy Grail rabbit scene: Funny.
Knocked Up deleted scene: Funny.

It's about time Valley Talk had some quality posts!

[MoValley John]

I have no doubts the same guys are behind the new movies, I just think they are catering to a younger generation, and I don't find any of it funny.

WTF? You are the younger generation! Idiot!

[DawgieStyle]

WTF? You are the younger generation! Idiot!

no, there is a generation younger than me. I'm 30 for crying out loud. Those movies cater to current 18-22 year olds, not me. I don't find them funny.

[FearDaTrees]

WTF? You are the younger generation! Idiot!


Knocked Up is one of my favorite movies....but then again I am 19. Superbad was funnier though.

[FearDaTrees]

Now, about this "MVP". I agree that Adam Emmencker had a good season, but not anywhere near a Larry Bird MVP award. I know they say that it's for the most valuable player to their team, but I think he was only favored because they were good. I am just saying that I could have picked probably 4or 5 other players to put ahead of him.

[DawgieStyle]

man, another one, that agrees with me....what is DT going to do.

I agree, I didn't even have Emmenecker on my first team, and it's a close call whether he made the second team.

[Khan4Cats]

I admit, I'm lost, I have no idea what he meant by funny walk. I guess the bright side is that I can't take too much offense to it if I don't get the joke.

I guess he's looking on "the bright side of life" .:lol:

[thomasj316]

Emmenecker has the trophy and you have your mom... end of story.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

no, there is a generation younger than me. I'm 30 for crying out loud. Those movies cater to current 18-22 year olds, not me. I don't find them funny.

Too bad they don't make them like Van Wilder anymore.

[DawgieStyle]

Too bad they don't make them like Van Wilder anymore.

I agree, it's not a classic, but it's funny. Next, you are going to tell me you don't like Animal House (the inspiration for all movies like that) and PCU.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Who doesn't like Animal House? That would be as crazy as someone who doesn't like Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

[Drakey]

I can't read through all of this nonsense to see if this has already been answered, but is their a definition or set of criteria for choosing the MVC Player of the Year? If not, I don't see how anybody can debate it. The Player of the Year is then toally subjective. Emenecker probably is the best STORY in the Valley, and that along with play that many coaches seem to think is the most important part of Drake's success would certainly qualify him for the honor.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

I agree, it's not a classic, but it's funny. Next, you are going to tell me you don't like Animal House (the inspiration for all movies like that) and PCU.


PCU >>>>>

[DawgieStyle]

I can't read through all of this nonsense to see if this has already been answered, but is their a definition or set of criteria for choosing the MVC Player of the Year? If not, I don't see how anybody can debate it. The Player of the Year is then toally subjective. Emenecker probably is the best STORY in the Valley, and that along with play that many coaches seem to think is the most important part of Drake's success would certainly qualify him for the honor.

so wait a minute. First you say it can't be debated, but then say it's totally subjective...which would open it up to debate.

[WSUbballer]

man, another one, that agrees with me....what is DT going to do.

I agree, I didn't even have Emmenecker on my first team, and it's a close call whether he made the second team.

That makes the score 282-3. Congrats for avoiding the goose egg.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

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[DawgieStyle]

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classic,

Tonight at the pit, everyone gets laid.

And mostly recently you dumped 100 lbs of beef on a peaceful vegan protest....oh come on, that was way more than a hundred pounds.

[kevinmitchell]

Should the Monty Python movies be on the list at stuffwhitepeoplelike? Kinda like Wes Anderson movies :)

[Drakey]

so wait a minute. First you say it can't be debated, but then say it's totally subjective...which would open it up to debate.


If there are no criteria it is somewhat difficult to have a reasonable debate as to who best meets the criteria. Why do you want to have these silly interpretation of the English language debates all the time?

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

howcome you are at the end of the english debates all the time

maybe you have the problem. Not a slam just a seggestion.

[MVC Fan]

Emmenecker has 13 pts, 10 rebounds & 5 assists in MVC quarterfinal against Trees. Another stellar all-around game, but of course, definitely not POY numbers. :ermm:

[Dawg_tired]

man, another one, that agrees with me....what is DT going to do.

I agree, I didn't even have Emmenecker on my first team, and it's a close call whether he made the second team.

Twenty points, 10 rebounds. Dawgie Stool you are an idiot.

[gutwrencher]

Twenty points, 10 rebounds. Dawgie Stool you are an idiot.

AE is the man and everyone knows it.

I agree, I didn't even have Emmenecker on my first team

Shows how much ya think ya know. That's just weird, man.

:bulldogs::valley::bulldogs: