Keno nominated for Henry Iba award

[DUBulldog]

link (http://www.sportswriters.net/usbwa/news/2008/awards080305.html)

[DoubleJayAlum]

Even though people maybe able to argue about AE getting POY, I would like to think that even DS believes that Keno should get serious consideration for National coach of the year.

[DawgieStyle]

Even though people maybe able to argue about AE getting POY, I would like to think that even DS believes that Keno should get serious consideration for National coach of the year.

MVC coach of the year, def.

National Coach of the year? I don't know, I think he's in the discussion at a min. but unlike most, I won't factor in where Drake has been in the past because i don't think it matters to the NCAA selection process.

I like Bruce Pearl for this award. Tennessee has compiled a great season against some tough teams.

[MSU Bleeds Maroon]

I don't think that the NCAA selection process matters in COY balloting.

[WSUbballer]

I don't think that the NCAA selection process matters in COY balloting.

Neither do I.

Drake should be expected to go 24-4 every year.

[DUBulldog]

Neither do I.

Drake should be expected to go 24-4 every year.

Especially in years they're picked for 9th in the MVC.

P.S. They're 25-4, but who's counting :original:

[upsaluki]

Hope he wins. Nice job representing the MVC Drake!

[outpost]

Nationally (or at least regionally), Keno may have to go up against [Foul-mouth] Frank Martin of KSU....who was fortunate enough to have that kid named Beasley carry the entire team on his back for the last 3 months.....

[Clawinball]

Congrats. for Keno and Drake for a great season! :clap::clap:

[Keita44]

Nationally (or at least regionally), Keno may have to go up against [Foul-mouth] Frank Martin of KSU....who was fortunate enough to have that kid named Beasley carry the entire team on his back for the last 3 months.....

If Frank Martin beats Keno in COY, then someone better have made a lot of money because of it.

Kansas State has an amazing amount of talent in Beasley, Pullen, and Bill Walker and while they have recorded some amazing wins, they have so many losses and are still on the Boeheim. If KSU won 25 games (which they have more than enough talent to have done), then Frank Martin could be considered.

[DawgieStyle]

Bruce Pearl is the guy in my opinion. Look at their schedule an SOS of 2, and an RPI of 1.

If you have a record of 25-3 against the 2nd toughest schedule in the country, you are coach of the year.

[Keita44]

Bruce Pearl is the guy in my opinion. Look at their schedule an SOS of 2, and an RPI of 1.

If you have a record of 25-3 against the 2nd toughest schedule in the country, you are coach of the year.

Is this another opportunity for you to be impressed with Drake University?

Can't wait for 3/16

[DawgieStyle]

Is this another opportunity for you to be impressed with Drake University?

Can't wait for 3/16

what does that have to do with any of this? I suppose you think Keno deserves the award more than A coach who sacked up, scheduled the 2nd toughest schedule in the country, and went out and won against it?

[DawgieStyle]

Is this another opportunity for you to be impressed with Drake University?

Can't wait for 3/16

you act like Its going to kill me to day Drake is impressive if or when they make the NCAA tournament.

It won't. They will have earned the right to be called that. I have no problem honoring a team when they meet the specified requirements.

[Keita44]

what does that have to do with any of this? I suppose you think Keno deserves the award more than A coach who sacked up, scheduled the 2nd toughest schedule in the country, and went out and won against it?

Tennessee has two times the talent that Drake has. That means that Pearl didn't have to do nearly the job that Keno did.

I agree that Pearl is a great coach, but I am pretty sure I could have coached that Tennessee team to the NCAA tourney. Not only did he return a great team, but then got one of the better players in the Big 10 to transfer and Tyler was allowed to play this year (no problem with this, as Tyler's dad's health was falling quickly and the kid needed to be closer to home.).

The coach of the year should be the coach that got the most out of his team, not the coach of the best team. Using this criteria, the COY is Keno Davis.

[Keita44]

you act like Its going to kill me to day Drake is impressive if or when they make the NCAA tournament.

It won't. They will have earned the right to be called that. I have no problem honoring a team when they meet the specified requirements.

It will just add to the list of accomplishments for the Bulldogs this year, and you will have to admit you were mistaken! :lol:

[DawgieStyle]

Tennessee has two times the talent that Drake has. That means that Pearl didn't have to do nearly the job that Keno did.

I agree that Pearl is a great coach, but I am pretty sure I could have coached that Tennessee team to the NCAA tourney. Not only did he return a great team, but then got one of the better players in the Big 10 to transfer and Tyler was allowed to play this year (no problem with this, as Tyler's dad's health was falling quickly and the kid needed to be closer to home.).

The coach of the year should be the coach that got the most out of his team, not the coach of the best team. Using this criteria, the COY is Keno Davis.

he had twice the talent, but played against 10 times the schedule Drake did, and still had as good as record.

[DawgieStyle]

It will just add to the list of accomplishments for the Bulldogs this year, and you will have to admit you were mistaken! :lol:

mistaken about what? I never said Drake Couldn't make the NCAA tournament. I simply said, they had to make it for me to be impressed.

I defined my criteria and expectations, and if they meet them, good for them. That doesn't make me wrong in any sense of the matter.

The only think you see "wrong" is my definition and requirements for a valley team to be deemed impressive. Although it is a completely subjective issue, that has no "wrong" answer.

[Keita44]

he had twice the talent, but played against 10 times the schedule Drake did, and still had as good as record.

His team's RPI isn't twice as good as Drake's, nor is the SOS

Team RPI SOS

Drake .6203 .5364

Tennessee .6859 .6107

If your statement was true, then Tennessee's SOS would have to be 10 times that of Drake, which isn't even close to true.

[Keita44]

mistaken about what? I never said Drake Couldn't make the NCAA tournament. I simply said, they had to make it for me to be impressed.

I defined my criteria and expectations, and if they meet them, good for them. That doesn't make me wrong in any sense of the matter.

The only think you see "wrong" is my definition and requirements for a valley team to be deemed impressive. Although it is a completely subjective issue, that has no "wrong" answer.

You have said that Drake's season isn't impressive. Then, you later added the other part. WSUBBaller will back me up on this one, I'm sure he has several quotes.

[Keita44]

By the way DS, congrats on post 4000!

[WSUbballer]

If Frank Martin beats Keno in COY, then someone better have made a lot of money because of it.

Kansas State has an amazing amount of talent in Beasley, Pullen, and Bill Walker and while they have recorded some amazing wins, they have so many losses and are still on the Boeheim. If KSU won 25 games (which they have more than enough talent to have done), then Frank Martin could be considered.

I think you need to turn on your sarcasm meter Keita..

[WSUbballer]

Especially in years they're picked for 9th in the MVC.

P.S. They're 25-4, but who's counting :original:

My bad.

I forgot to add in the WSU game of all games.. :original:

Drake should be expected to go 25-4 every year.. just like they were this year. Being picked 9th and then going on to win 25 of your 29 games in the regular season hardly qualifies Keno as National Coach of the Year..




:noexpression:

[Keita44]

I think you need to turn on your sarcasm meter Keita..

Good call.....

[DawgieStyle]

You have said that Drake's season isn't impressive. Then, you later added the other part. WSUBBaller will back me up on this one, I'm sure he has several quotes.

no, I said one win over SIU wasn't impressive, I said we had to wait in see on the season...it wasn't even half over at that point.

[DawgieStyle]

His team's RPI isn't twice as good as Drake's, nor is the SOS

Team RPI SOS

Drake .6203 .5364

Tennessee .6859 .6107

If your statement was true, then Tennessee's SOS would have to be 10 times that of Drake, which isn't even close to true.

you can spin that stat any way you want, watch. Hard number from Kenpom.....Tennessee has a SOS rank of 2, and Drake a rank of 85, so if I spin the stats that way, Tennessee has a schedule 40 times tougher than Drakes.

[WSUbballer]

Tennessee has two times the talent that Drake has. That means that Pearl didn't have to do nearly the job that Keno did.

I agree that Pearl is a great coach, but I am pretty sure I could have coached that Tennessee team to the NCAA tourney. Not only did he return a great team, but then got one of the better players in the Big 10 to transfer and Tyler was allowed to play this year (no problem with this, as Tyler's dad's health was falling quickly and the kid needed to be closer to home.).

The coach of the year should be the coach that got the most out of his team, not the coach of the best team. Using this criteria, the COY is Keno Davis.

Bam.

Score another one for Keita.

Dawgie picking Bruce Pearl as National Coach of the Year is a weak, boring, and "safe" pick, at best. It's a pick only a p*ssy would make. I'm pretty sure Tennessee was the heavy favorites coming in to win the SEC this year. Fulfilling that obligation, while impressive, was expected. In a lot of years, that might've been good enough.

Then you have a team not expected to do giraffe poo-poo this year. They were picked 9th, had a new coach, and hadn't finished in the top half of the Valley probably since you (Dawgie) were a toddler. They come in, win 25 games, lose 4 times by all close margins against good competition. They complete that with a win at a Top 10 team on the road in a bracketbuster showcase game. And you're telling me you expect that every year, Dawgie?

You have no clue. You think you do, but you don't.

Again, for the record, your opinion means giraffe poo-poo.

Only you, here on VT, would come out so adamantly about not thinking Keno should win National COY.

What a waste of a life form.

[DawgieStyle]

against good competition.

that's highly debatable.

[Brave2001]

Ok screw the fact that know goes by the rpi in its raw number format...almost everyone judges it based on the ranking it provides.....I can get over that.

What I can't get over is that Kieta and DS both want to give Bruce FREAKING Pearl props for being a good coach.

This is the freaking devil we are talking about. Blackballed by everyone of his peers for the crap he pulled at Iowa against Illinois. Tenn, UWM (who gave his first shot at DI again) should be ashamed for selling out and hiring this guy to win at all cost.

I can't believe people are actually giving this guy props.

[WSUbballer]

that's highly debatable.

St. Mary's, Bradley, Missouri State, and SOUTHERN ILLINOIS isn't good competition?

The Missouri State game is debatable, but it was a road game on senior night at a place Drake has never won at. That kinda game happens to a lot of good teams.

Debate it then please.

[WSUbballer]

Ok screw the fact that know goes by the rpi in its raw number format...almost everyone judges it based on the ranking it provides.....I can get over that.

What I can't get over is that Kieta and DS both want to give Bruce FREAKING Pearl props for being a good coach.

This is the freaking devil we are talking about. Blackballed by everyone of his peers for the crap he pulled at Iowa against Illinois. Tenn, UWM (who gave his first shot at DI again) should be ashamed for selling out and hiring this guy to win at all cost.

I can't believe people are actually giving this guy props.

I agree.

[DawgieStyle]

Ok screw the fact that know goes by the rpi in its raw number format...almost everyone judges it based on the ranking it provides.....I can get over that.

What I can't get over is that Kieta and DS both want to give Bruce FREAKING Pearl props for being a good coach.

This is the freaking devil we are talking about. Blackballed by everyone of his peers for the crap he pulled at Iowa against Illinois. Tenn, UWM (who gave his first shot at DI again) should be ashamed for selling out and hiring this guy to win at all cost.

I can't believe people are actually giving this guy props.

you sure you aren't an Illini fan in hiding are you? Seriously what effect does Pearl's actions 20 years ago have to do with the coaching job he did this year? They don't. Just Like Drake's Past has nothing to do with the coaching Job Keno did this year.

[Mecha_Bulldog]

Ok screw the fact that know goes by the rpi in its raw number format...almost everyone judges it based on the ranking it provides.....I can get over that.

What I can't get over is that Kieta and DS both want to give Bruce FREAKING Pearl props for being a good coach.

This is the freaking devil we are talking about. Blackballed by everyone of his peers for the crap he pulled at Iowa against Illinois. Tenn, UWM (who gave his first shot at DI again) should be ashamed for selling out and hiring this guy to win at all cost.

I can't believe people are actually giving this guy props.

You've convinced me, Bruce Pearl for COY! :grin:

http://professorfalken.com/images/pearl.jpg

[DawgieStyle]

St. Mary's, Bradley, Missouri State, and SOUTHERN ILLINOIS isn't good competition?

The Missouri State game is debatable, but it was a road game on senior night at a place Drake has never won at. That kinda game happens to a lot of good teams.

Debate it then please.

They have an SOS of 85, if you want to call that good, go right ahead, I won't, and if it weren't for their record against that average SOS, the selection committee wouldn't call it good either.

In fact, if Drake hypothetically had a similar record to SIU with that SOS, they wouldn't even make the NIT in my opinion.

[Brave2001]

Again, for the record, your opinion means giraffe poo-poo.

Only you, here on VT, would come out so adamantly about not thinking Keno should win National COY.

What a waste of a life form.

Just a tad over the top? Just a bit?

Actually I'd say Keno is the safest pick of anyone this year. Because he makes the best story, its easy to say he got the most out of his kids for a program picked 9th, etc., etc. I think he should get it, but its the safest pick by far. It'd be a much tougher argument to pick Pearl (sorry I just threw up in my mouth) or Calipari because of the talent level there. How do you know how good of job they did with the resources they have, its very hard to judge what role the coach played in their success versus the raw talent they have. It's much easier to see that with Drake.

You could also go the way of the BCS schools getting everything so that makes it an easy pick, but Memphis isn't BCS.

Again different points of view/opinion. There isn't a "right" answer.

[DawgieStyle]

Just a tad over the top? Just a bit?.

and that's ballers problem. He can't have a discussion with differing opinions, as soon as someone states something he doesn't agree with here comes the insults and "waste of a life form" comments.

I just don't understand all the hate he has for me or any other poster. It's just a message board.

Is it really that big of a deal that I think Bruce Pearl did a better job this year against a much tougher schedule? I mean for crying out loud he went into #1 Memphis and beat them on their home court.

[WSUbballer]

They have an SOS of 85, if you want to call that good, go right ahead, I won't, and if it weren't for their record against that average SOS, the selection committee wouldn't call it good either.

In fact, if Drake hypothetically had a similar record to SIU with that SOS, they wouldn't even make the NIT in my opinion.

Once again, you're trying to play Mr. Speedy. It just doesn't work for you.

Go back again. Reread the entire quote, the one you requoted and took out of context.

I said all of their LOSSES have been close in margin and against good competition.

Jesus Christ.. I don't care if it takes you 5 or 10 minutes to respond. At least, comprehend what you read and understand it and then try and counter it, instead of wasting threadspace trying to play 'Mr. Speedy' and looking like an idiot.

[Brave2001]

you sure you aren't an Illini fan in hiding are you? Seriously what effect does Pearl's actions 20 years ago have to do with the coaching job he did this year? They don't. Just Like Drake's Past has nothing to do with the coaching Job Keno did this year.

I live in Illinois...yeah I'm kind of a closet Illini fan.

It goes like this.

1. Bradley
2. MVC Schools
3. Illinois

I root for Bradley in all cases. I root for MVC schools except when the play Bradley. I root for Illinois except when the play a valley shcool (which is hardly ever) or Bradley.

[WSUbballer]

Just a tad over the top? Just a bit?

Maybe a little.

But I think saying Keno Davis doesn't have a shot for National COY and then coming up with a lame, estrogen-enhanced pick such as Bruce Pearl was a little over the top.

I'm sorry, but I guess he gets what he throws out in the first place.

Actually I'd say Keno is the safest pick of anyone this year. Because he makes the best story, its easy to say he got the most out of his kids for a program picked 9th, etc., etc. I think he should get it, but its the safest pick by far. It'd be a much tougher argument to pick Pearl (sorry I just threw up in my mouth) or Calipari because of the talent level there. How do you know how good of job they did with the resources they have, its very hard to judge what role the coach played in their success versus the raw talent they have. It's much easier to see that with Drake.

You could also go the way of the BCS schools getting everything so that makes it an easy pick, but Memphis isn't BCS.

Again different points of view/opinion. There isn't a "right" answer.

There's a lot of options. I agree with most of what you said.

I just figured most, if not all, of the VT posters would easily side with Keno on this issue.

But then again, seeing the source, it's somewhat expected.

[DawgieStyle]

Once again, you're trying to play Mr. Speedy. It just doesn't work for you.

Go back again. Reread the entire quote, the one you requoted and took out of context.

I said all of their LOSSES have been close in margin and against good competition.

Jesus Christ.. I don't care if it takes you 5 or 10 minutes to respond. At least, comprehend what you read and understand it and then try and counter it, instead of wasting threadspace trying to play 'Mr. Speedy' and looking like an idiot.

so they lost closely? ok, they still lost and their SOS is still 85, how does any of that change my opinion? a SOS of 85 still denotes an average Schedule strength. I don't see how responding quickly or slowly is going to change that. I guess if I wait for an hour, their SOS might bump up to 45. Who knows. And even if they won those games, would it have changed their SOS that much? In fact, it may have dropped it lower.

[DawgieStyle]

Maybe a little.

But I think saying Keno Davis doesn't have a shot for National COY and then coming up with a lame, estrogen-enhanced pick such as Bruce Pearl was a little over the top.

I'm sorry, but I guess he gets what he throws out in the first place.



There's a lot of options. I agree with most of what you said.

I just figured most, if not all, of the VT posters would easily side with Keno on this issue.

But then again, seeing the source, it's somewhat expected.

again, im not stating who I want to win, I'm stating who should win. There is a difference most of you fail to recognize most of the time.

[WSUbballer]

I just randomly found this out of no where:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news;_ylt=AiTtfdYnL6ARNHSDDw55cufevbYF?slug=jn-kingoftheroad030508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Funny.

COY lock Bruce Pearl was no where to be found..

[DawgieStyle]

I just randomly found this out of no where:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news;_ylt=AiTtfdYnL6ARNHSDDw55cufevbYF?slug=jn-kingoftheroad030508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Funny.

COY lock Bruce Pearl was no where to be found..

again, your making the assumption my opinion and criteria for COY fall in line with that of the media who like to focus on "good stories" and not hard facts.

[WSUbballer]

so they lost closely? ok, they still lost and their SOS is still 85, how does any of that change my opinion? a SOS of 85 still denotes an average Schedule strength. I don't see how responding quickly or slowly is going to change that. I guess if I wait for an hour, their SOS might bump up to 45. Who knows. And even if they won those games, would it have changed their SOS that much? In fact, it may have dropped it lower.

Wow.

You don't get it, do you?

Take an average of the RPI's of Drake's 4 LOSSES. Then get back to me after you do the lightning quick math.

[WSUbballer]

again, your making the assumption my opinion and criteria for COY fall in line with that of the media who like to focus on "good stories" and not hard facts.

Who votes for the COY again?

[DawgieStyle]

Wow.

You don't get it, do you?

Take an average of the RPI's of Drake's 4 LOSSES. Then get back to me after you do the lightning quick math.

so 4 games makes a season now? Well crap, just call it quits till march next year, and fire up the tournament with out a season.

They have an SOS of 85. It isn't going to change just because you want it to.

[DawgieStyle]

Who votes for the COY again?

your the one who quoted the media source of yahoo sports, are you not?

[WSUbballer]

so 4 games makes a season now? Well crap, just call it quits till march next year, and fire up the tournament with out a season.

They have an SOS of 85. It isn't going to change just because you want it to.

Just shut up.

You obviously don't get what I was getting at.

You totally blew something sideways and keep taking it further and further down one of your off-topic paths.

[WSUbballer]

your the one who quoted the media source of yahoo sports, are you not?

Can you not answer a question without asking a question?

Who votes for COY Dawgie?

[DawgieStyle]

Just shut up.

You obviously don't get what I was getting at.

You totally blew something sideways and keep taking it further and further down one of your off-topic paths.

:lol::lol::lol:

[Brave2001]

Can you not answer a question without asking a question?

Who votes for COY Dawgie?

OK now I can't tell if you two are fighting or privately having an inside joke. I swear we need to get you 2 a talk show. It can air right after Springer.

[WSUbballer]

http://www.memecat.com/images/memes/first_lightsaber_duel.jpg

[Brave2001]

http://www.memecat.com/images/memes/first_lightsaber_duel.jpg

So which one of you is which? I knew opposites attracted, but hell I never thought you 2 would get married.

And purple lightsabers....ah how cute. Was that your choice or Dawgies?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Dawg_tired]

http://www.memecat.com/images/memes/first_lightsaber_duel.jpg

Let the force be with you WSUBALLER.

Idiots abound in the universe.

[upsaluki]

DawgieStyle and WSUbballer- I wish you guys would get a room, do each other, and get it over with instead of clogging all the threads with your foreplay.

[Dawg_tired]

DawgieStyle and WSUbballer- I wish you guys would get a room, do each other, and get it over with instead of clogging all the threads with your foreplay.

Baller is not the problem. Can't you ugly dog fans put a choke chain around DawgieStools neck and stop him from bringing down the intelligence of your whole state?

[DawgieStyle]

Baller is not the problem. Can't you ugly dog fans put a choke chain around DawgieStools neck and stop him from bringing down the intelligence of your whole state?

riiiigggghhhht......he's a perfect angel. maybe you two should the ones getting a room and some lube.

[Dawg_tired]

riiiigggghhhht......he's a perfect angel. maybe you two should the ones getting a room and some lube.

So you know about the benefits of lube?????

[gopanthers!]

But I think saying Keno Davis doesn't have a shot for National COY and then coming up with a lame, estrogen-enhanced pick such as Bruce Pearl was a little over the top.



He didn't say that at all. Since you are the one who gets all pissy about "misquoting", go back and look at the original post. All it says it that Keno SHOULD be in the discussion for COY, not that he has no shot. :ermm:

[DUBulldog]

so they lost closely? ok, they still lost and their SOS is still 85, how does any of that change my opinion? a SOS of 85 still denotes an average Schedule strength.

I don't want to interrupt the foreplay that you and Baller have going on, but.....there are approx 340 Division 1 schools. So....a schedule strength of 85 puts it in the 75th percentile.....that's definitely above average. I'm not gonna lie and say it was a great schedule....but, really, it ain't too shabby either.

[upsaluki]

Baller is not the problem. Can't you ugly dog fans put a choke chain around DawgieStools neck and stop him from bringing down the intelligence of your whole state?
It takes two to tango and it seems like there are a lot of fluffers out there on both sides. Personally, if it was kept to one thread at a time I wouldn't care, but when it's done on every thread I find it pretty annoying.

I hope Keno wins this, although the downside will be that bigger schools will be throwing money at him. How much does he make now, and does the recruiting/ personnel scenario seem like he can maintain this run? I hope that Drake (and the MVC) is able to keep him for a long time.

[XSaluki]

Keno has the best story and got the most out of his team. I think he should get every coaching award this year, but I am biased b/c I want it for the Valley and Drake.

People talk about Dawgie taking the bait, but it appears the opposite is true. Dawgie puts out his opinions (which many deem controversial) and then he sticks with his opinion.

It appears to me that many people love what DS brings to the board. If they didn't, they wouldn't keep repeating this same insane formula in every thead. [Insert definition of insanity here] <insert insanity="" definition="" here=""></insert>

[DoubleJayAlum]

Keno has the best story and got the most out of his team. I think he should get every coaching award this year, but I am biased b/c I want it for the Valley and Drake.

People talk about Dawgie taking the bait, but it appears the opposite is true. Dawgie puts out his opinions (which many deem controversial) and then he sticks with his opinion.

It appears to me that many people love what DS brings to the board. If they didn't, they wouldn't keep repeating this same insane formula in every thead. [Insert definition of insanity here] <insert insanity="" definition="" here=""></insert>

Great post. I agee with everything you said here (including the part about Keno).