The official keep Barry thread

[BTbird]

I'm not saying it because I like the guy, I just think he's been a good coach. If MSU didn't get screwed by the ncaa in the past years, Barry would be mentioned as one of the top coaches.

My 2 cents.

Here is his post game speech.

http://www.kspr.com/sports/16406206.html

[MoValley John]

We really didn't need this thread.

[Clawinball]

I agree, there's no need to beat a dead horse. :no::bears:

[smsandmsuson]

I'm not saying it because I like the guy, I just think he's been a good coach. If MSU didn't get screwed by the ncaa in the past years, Barry would be mentioned as one of the top coaches.

My 2 cents.

Here is his post game speech.

http://www.kspr.com/sports/16406206.html

Pass what you are smoking!

Please make this the last post...
- W-L record against the RPI Top 100: 44-75 (37.0%).
- Road/neutral court record of 60-83 (42.0%) overall, and 3-14 in 2007-08.
- In games decided by 5 points or less, Hinson's record at MSU is 29-44 (39.7%).
- Zero conference championships.
- Zero conference tournament titles.
- Three appearances in the conference tournament title game; three losses, by an average of 12 points.
- Six MVC teams have earned NCAA bids during Hinson's tenure. Two more (Drake and Illinois State) are poised to dance this year. Only Evansville has missed the Tournament for as long as Missouri State.

[MSUBear42]

As much as I like Barry the person, he can't coach. Plain and simple.

[goaces]

I don't know, but I just believe Barry is a much better coach than what many MSU fans believe. The program got screwed a couple times and that was no fault of his. Looking from the outside, I think Coach Hinson does an awful lot of things very well. I also understand how passionate Bear fans can be. I still think it's a great program, city, and university. Perhaps a change would help, but I wouldn't bet on it. Go MSU!:aces::bears::valley:

[Aegyptus]

So can we change this to the "What does Barry do now thread?" or the "Draft Barry for MVC Color Man Thread"?

[bcrawf]

Watch that press conference and the emotion that Barry has for the University and the League, couple it with his 19 wins per year and then ask yourself... Is this a man that should be fired??

[TNMSUFAN]

Watch that press conference and the emotion that Barry has for the University and the League, couple it with his 19 wins per year and then ask yourself... Is this a man that should be fired??


Tell me how many 19 win mid-majors got an at large bid the last 5 years...

You guys from other schools jumping on the Barry bandwagon crack me up and I can't imagine giving advice to another fan base about their coaching situation. I would think the fans of the program have a pretty good feel for things and probably know a little more than those outside the program. Evansville and IL State had a chance to hire him last year and neither school chose to do that. It will be interesting to see where he ends up since some people think he is such a great coach even though not one single school has tried to hire him away from Missouri State.

[BTbird]

Tell me how many 19 win mid-majors got an at large bid the last 5 years...

You guys from other schools jumping on the Barry bandwagon crack me up and I can't imagine giving advice to another fan base about their coaching situation. I would think the fans of the program have a pretty good feel for things and probably know a little more than those outside the program. Evansville and IL State had a chance to hire him last year and neither school chose to do that. It will be interesting to see where he ends up since some people think he is such a great coach even though not one single school has tried to hire him away from Missouri State.

I honestly think Barry is a good coach but I also respect MSU's decision to move in another direction. I'm sure there were some goals layed out when he was hired and now looking back, those goals weren't met. MSU will be a good coaching position and should get a lot of interest.

Best of luck to you!

When we fired Moser, we got completely blasted by most people and look how it worked out so far.
http://www.valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=4031&highlight=moser+fired

[TNMSUFAN]

I honestly think Barry is a good coach but I also respect MSU's decision to move in another direction. I'm sure there were some goals layed out when he was hired and now looking back, those goals weren't met. MSU will be a good coaching position and should get a lot of interest.

Best of luck to you!

When we fired Moser, we got completely blasted by most people and look how it worked out so far.
http://www.valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=4031&highlight=moser+fired

Thank you!

It was interesting to go back and read that thread...things worked out well for you guys. Best of luck tomorrow...

[Topiary]

Look for Hinson to walk into a MAC, Horizon, Sun Belt, Conf USA or MidCon conference opening. Personally I think he'd do great at Arkansas State or Rice. I think his recruiting is well suited to the central and southern states and could haunt Missouri State on some occasions. Still, the time was now for a change at MSU - new year, new arena, new start for all involved. Plus Barry's walking away with a $150K check and his head held high

[genius4point0]

I just think its funny how fans of other valley teams think MSU should keep Barry. I don't know about anyone else, I was jacked when I thought Altman was leaving, disappointed when Lowery got more money and stayed. Those are 2 coaches that make a serious difference when the game is on the line.

Barry makes a difference for sure, just in the wrong types of ways. There is a reason he is so terrible in games decided by 5 points of less. He panics in close games and in big games. I think any coach currently in the Valley would have gotten at least one NCAA bid with the recruiting class of Blake, Deven, Nate, and Sky and add in Dale (transfer as a sophomore) and Drew the next year.

When your top oppenents want you to keep a coach, that should tell you all you need to know.

[Ace Dad]

MSU fans are unrealistic.

They will hire and fire a coach, both, within the next five years.

They will then go back through the cycle.

[Hein72]

MSU fans are unrealistic.

They will hire and fire a coach, both, within the next five years.

They will then go back through the cycle.


Completely agree. I would hate to be their new coach. NCAA tourney or nothing.

[TNMSUFAN]

MSU fans are unrealistic.

They will hire and fire a coach, both, within the next five years.

They will then go back through the cycle.

The Aces fired a coach who has been to more NCAA tournaments than Barry has and if you think wanting to go to 1 or 2 NCAA tournaments in 9 years is unrealistic I know why The Aces have been in the gutter for the last several years. I wish I had jumped on the keep Merfield bandwagon but I stay out of other teams affairs.

[TNMSUFAN]

NCAA tourney or nothing.

Obviously that is the case since Barry coached here for 9 years without one. If Turg didn't have his one Sweet 16 run I would like to see what the Wichita fan base would be saying about him right now...especially if the NIT's are enough.

[DieHardMSUFan]

Completely agree. I would hate to be their new coach. NCAA tourney or nothing.

WOW, what a terrible thing....Missouri State has been and "almost" team for a long time. It would be terrible to have an expectation to take us to the next level. What good would it do to hire another coach to keep us in about the same place?
So if the new coach hates that expectation, then he has no business being in the MVC at all.
What you hate is if that expectation is met.....

[B4MSU]

Barry is now available for anyone that wants him. The decision has been made and for all those persons that think he is a great coach, he's all yours.

The Bears teams didn't compete on the road all year long until the final few games. I'm not talking about going on the road and winning, I'm talking about competing. This with 4 senior starters. His time has come. I've said this before, if you coach at MSU for 5 years and haven't received a substantial raise or been hired away by another program, the program is not meeting expectations.

Good luck in the play in game in the Valley Tourney again next year Ace Dad. Wish I felt comfortable with those expectations.

[Ace Dad]

MSU will hire a new coach.

There will be much hoopla.

Over three years the MSU fans will be patient.

In year four you will start calling for his head if the Bears do not get to the dance.

In year five you will fire your new coach.

My comments have nothing to do with expectations. My observation is based on your program, your coach, your team, your fan base, and the fact that only 65 teams out of 335 odd teams get a bid.

Barry may be goofy, however his teams won. His players graduated. If the NCAA committee treated the Bears fairly a couple of times, we do not have this conversation.

Mark this thread and pull it in five years.

[goaces]

The Aces fired a coach who has been to more NCAA tournaments than Barry has and if you think wanting to go to 1 or 2 NCAA tournaments in 9 years is unrealistic I know why The Aces have been in the gutter for the last several years. I wish I had jumped on the keep Merfield bandwagon but I stay out of other teams affairs.


Gee, I didn't know I was meddeling in MSU's affairs.:lol::lol: Funny stuff TNM

[goaces]

MSU will hire a new coach.

There will be much hoopla.

Over three years the MSU fans will be patient.

In year four you will start calling for his head if the Bears do not get to the dance.

In year five you will fire your new coach.

My comments have nothing to do with expectations. My observation is based on your program, your coach, your team, your fan base, and the fact that only 65 teams out of 335 odd teams get a bid.

Barry may be goofy, however his teams won. His players graduated. If the NCAA committee treated the Bears fairly a couple of times, we do not have this conversation.

Mark this thread and pull it in five years.

Excellant Aces Dad.

[Awesome]

What's your justification we'll be "calling for [the new] coach's head" in four years, and fire the new coach in year five? Seriously, what basis do you make that on? True or not, you don't have any evidence for us calling for anybody's head in a four year period. We gave Barry nine years to accomplish something, and you're right if he had played in the NCAA tournament maybe we're not having this conversation, but he had nine years. Every other school than Creighton has replaced their coach in the time Barry was here. But yet we're going to be the ones calling for the coach's head in four years? Perhaps if the next coach manages to fight for a nine seed at the Valley tournament we will. But you have no proof or reasoning for us calling for anyone's head in such a short time. We haven't demanded a new coach for any other sport in such a short period.

So go review the facts before you start to paint us as irrational fans who seek impossible goals. Our fan base loves basketball, and wants to make it to the tournament. You obviously do not know how conservative our fan base really is.

[Ace Dad]

Awesome, fair remarks. I hear you.

Having sat in your stadium for three games, I do know about "Bear passion" regarding basketball.

[Nyghtewynd]

Still pushing that Sisyphean rock up the hill, eh boys?

[Ace Dad]

Damn, "Wind", there you go using those big words again!

[B4MSU]

AceDad -don't agree.

I guess we could keep things status quo and not make the NCAA for five more years with Hinson. Gee in that time, 60 more kids would have graduated. What else could we ask for?

Changes coaches is no guarantee that we will reach the NCAA tourney. Staying the course with Barry assured us of nothing but more griping and complaining, attendance declining, and more of a split community concerning the BEARS.

It's time to end this one way or the other. I just want full houses at home games again. I want the entire community talking about the BEARS and not about Barry. I want to be excited about a new year in the history of BEARS basketball. Barry wasn't going to provide this.

[iSASO]

Yes, there comes a time when you have to realize that "settling" for your 3rd, 4th or 5th choice just isn't working. After nine years, you have to move on to settling for the 6th choice.

[JerryBearSeinfeld]

Yes, there comes a time when you have to realize that "settling" for your 3rd, 4th or 5th choice just isn't working. After nine years, you have to move on to settling for the 6th choice.

:shockers: 9th?

[bleach]

MSU will hire a new coach.

There will be much hoopla.

Over three years the MSU fans will be patient.

In year four you will start calling for his head if the Bears do not get to the dance.

In year five you will fire your new coach.

My comments have nothing to do with expectations. My observation is based on your program, your coach, your team, your fan base, and the fact that only 65 teams out of 335 odd teams get a bid.

Barry may be goofy, however his teams won. His players graduated. If the NCAA committee treated the Bears fairly a couple of times, we do not have this conversation.

Mark this thread and pull it in five years.If we haven't been to the dance in 5 yrs I hope we do fire the next one. Why would that be wrong? How many valley teams have had coaches longer without dancing?

[jb399]

The real question is who is going to tell us to wear our seatbelts durring FSN Midwest Valley games??

[chitown fanatic]

I just question where this history of greatness of Missouri St or SMS basketball comes from? Who's been a better coach for you than Barry? He was there nine years and was still able to win nearly 60% of his total games. Jim Les would kill for that win% over that span! You are Missouri St, not IU, KY, or Kansas. You're gonna get some Big 10 asst if you're lucky...not Bobby Knight or any other coach worth a lick...certainly not a named commodity. You were good enough and should have gone 2 of the past 3 years to the Dance.
I will guarantee you will rue the day you let Barry go...it's just flat out amazing that you're all on this high horse of Missouri st basketball that never existed for real at any time. Get over yourselves! There's nothing wrong about setting high expectations, but at some point,a little realism wouldn't hurt.

[howboutdembears]

I just question where this history of greatness of Missouri St or SMS basketball comes from? Who's been a better coach for you than Barry? He was there nine years and was still able to win nearly 60% of his total games. Jim Les would kill for that win% over that span! You are Missouri St, not IU, KY, or Kansas. You're gonna get some Big 10 asst if you're lucky...not Bobby Knight or any other coach worth a lick...certainly not a named commodity. You were good enough and should have gone 2 of the past 3 years to the Dance.
I will guarantee you will rue the day you let Barry go...it's just flat out amazing that you're all on this high horse of Missouri st basketball that never existed for real at any time. Get over yourselves! There's nothing wrong about setting high expectations, but at some point,a little realism wouldn't hurt.

Les has won 54% of his games, Barry has won 59... not that big of a difference really... I am sure that if you asked him if he'd trade 5% more wins for that Sweet 16 he'd likely say no.

[MSU Bleeds Maroon]

I just question where this history of greatness of Missouri St or SMS basketball comes from? Who's been a better coach for you than Barry? He was there nine years and was still able to win nearly 60% of his total games. Jim Les would kill for that win% over that span! You are Missouri St, not IU, KY, or Kansas. You're gonna get some Big 10 asst if you're lucky...not Bobby Knight or any other coach worth a lick...certainly not a named commodity. You were good enough and should have gone 2 of the past 3 years to the Dance.
I will guarantee you will rue the day you let Barry go...it's just flat out amazing that you're all on this high horse of Missouri st basketball that never existed for real at any time. Get over yourselves! There's nothing wrong about setting high expectations, but at some point,a little realism wouldn't hurt.

Yet another anti-MSU fan jumping on the Redass Bandwagon. I love it. :grin:

[Nyghtewynd]

No kidding. Keep it up, haters.

[smsandmsuson]

I just question where this history of greatness of Missouri St or SMS basketball comes from? Who's been a better coach for you than Barry? He was there nine years and was still able to win nearly 60% of his total games. Jim Les would kill for that win% over that span! You are Missouri St, not IU, KY, or Kansas. You're gonna get some Big 10 asst if you're lucky...not Bobby Knight or any other coach worth a lick...certainly not a named commodity. You were good enough and should have gone 2 of the past 3 years to the Dance.
I will guarantee you will rue the day you let Barry go...it's just flat out amazing that you're all on this high horse of Missouri st basketball that never existed for real at any time. Get over yourselves! There's nothing wrong about setting high expectations, but at some point,a little realism wouldn't hurt.

Well, Alford did more for us in 4 years then Barry did in 9. He won 62% of his games and got us to the S16. Why should have we expected anything less from Barry? He didnt match is own damn expectations and that is what got him fired.

Again, no one is saying that we are Duke, UNC, UK or KU. It only comes from idiots like you.

Chitown, I have no clue as to who you are a fan of. But if in these 9 years, everyone but the worst team in the Valley and MSU make the Dance, I dont think the expectations are too high for us to think that we should be able to make it once in 9 year. Give all the crap you want about the SC towards Barry. He had 8 other chances and didnt get it done.

[Aces1982]

Alford did win there and there were still MSU fans that wanted him out!!! It was not untill his run in the S16 people embraced him.

9 yrs w BH
3rd most wins in the conf.(Conference games only)
and behind CU and SIU 3rd most post season bids

The one and only thing he did not do is go to NCAA. And could make a GREAT case that he should have couple of those years. And I bet you were one of those people, at the time, saying you got snubbed.

[smsandmsuson]

Alford did win there and there were still MSU fans that wanted him out!!! It was not untill his run in the S16 people embraced him.

9 yrs w BH
3rd most wins in the conf.(Conference games only)
and behind CU and SIU 3rd most post season bids

The one and only thing he did not do is go to NCAA. And could make a GREAT case that he should have couple of those years. And I bet you were one of those people, at the time, saying you got snubbed.

You are right, that one day I said we were snubed. But after I calmed down and looked at all the numbers other then just the RPI, we didnt. Plane and simple. There is a way to manipulate the numbers and we accomplished that in 06

[Nyghtewynd]

If you think that's the whole story with Steve Alford, then you're simply deluded. You're just making things up. To put it simply: people *never* embraced Steve Alford...he left before anything like that could happen.

[Awesome]

I'm saying we're Kansas. Watch, Brandon Rush is going to transfer and Danny Manning is going to be the coach. You will rue the day you didn't mark these words.

[Aces1982]

If you think that's the whole story with Steve Alford, then you're simply deluded. You're just making things up. To put it simply: people *never* embraced Steve Alford...he left before anything like that could happen.

4 years, how long does it take.

[douglasdmb]

Our expectations aren't outrageous. I and most other MSU fans would be thrilled to have half of the success that CU has had over the last 5-10 years (fairly regular trips to the tourney, don't fall far from top even in down years). Some make it sound like we're a "Final Four or Bust" kind of fanbase.

[douglasdmb]

Alford did win there and there were still MSU fans that wanted him out!!! It was not untill his run in the S16 people embraced him.

9 yrs w BH
3rd most wins in the conf.(Conference games only)
and behind CU and SIU 3rd most post season bids

The one and only thing he did not do is go to NCAA. And could make a GREAT case that he should have couple of those years. And I bet you were one of those people, at the time, saying you got snubbed.

Even so, the attendance numbers during the Alford era were higher than the Hinson era.

[Nyghtewynd]

4 years, how long does it take.

I have no idea what this means. But let me clear it up for you. Everyone had pretty much accepted that that recruiting class (including Ault and Fauntleroy and Moore) was a really good one. But a few bad losses in bad places meant that they probably weren't going to get to the tourney...until they unexpectedly snuck into the tourney in 1999...and they won two games. If he hadn't won those two games, he would have been on the hot seat the following year. Guaranteed. But he was *never* embraced.

[genius4point0]

Its funny that all the Evansville fans wanted MSU to keep Barry. Yet, when he applied for your opening last year, Evansville wanted nothing to do with it.

I pose this question to all valley fans. Would you trade your current coach for Barry Hinson?

I would say no way in hell for
Drake
Illinois State
Creighton
SIU
WSU
Bradley

No clue about UNI split with Barry each of last 2 years. I would say with less talent than MSU in each year.

Not a long enough evaluation period for
Evansville
Indiana State

Is any of this support for Barry because other valley teams are scared that MSU got talent with a terrible and coach and are now getting a new coach and new arena? (This question doesn't apply to CU or SIU, as they have set the pace for the conference and I don't recall reading any of their fans telling MSU to kepp Barry).