Bruce Weber to MSU??? Lowery Out??

[cusportsfan]

http://coachingnewsonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=283&Itemid=29

http://coachingnewsonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=338&Itemid=29

[Brave2001]

Do they just make this stuff up?

Weber isn't going anywhere this year. That's a fact. He was talking to Missouri State about one his assistants who would be a canidate for the head coaching job.

I doubt Lowery is either.

[goaces]

That link is worthless rubbage.

[DoubleJayAlum]

I have no idea how accurate the link is, but any Valley school that pursues Weber is making a pretty shrewd move IMO. He knows how to recruit for the Valley and knows how to win in it.....

[DawgieStyle]

I have no idea how accurate the link is, but any Valley school that pursues Weber is making a pretty shrewd move IMO. He knows how to recruit for the Valley and knows how to win in it.....

I agree. But Let's see if he's still the Illinois Coach before we start this stuff. Unless he's forced out, Weber isn't going to leave a high quality big ten school to come back to the valley voluntarily.

[Dawg_tired]

Dana Altman left a BCS school to come back to the Valley. Well he only left for a day.

[smsandmsuson]

I agree. But Let's see if he's still the Illinois Coach before we start this stuff. Unless he's forced out, Weber isn't going to leave a high quality big ten school to come back to the valley voluntarily.

If he is told he only has one more season to make it right and he doesnt think he can do that, why is it so hard to believe that he would leave before being forced out?

Not saying he is coming to MSU but I could see a coach getting out and making a move before he is forced to

[bears1]

Do they just make this stuff up?

Weber isn't going anywhere this year. That's a fact. He was talking to Missouri State about one his assistants who would be a canidate for the head coaching job.

I doubt Lowery is either.

That is not a true statement Brave. We did speak with Webber more than once now about him coming back to the Valley. He did not say yes, but he did not say no either. Probably wont come but he is talking and I know this for a fact.

[DawgFan]

Weber is going to be at UIUC next year and likely the year after.

Lowery would not be hired anywhere he'd truly consider to leave for at this point.

p.s. Weber was offered the Mo St job after Alford left and was flattered. For that, he is being polite. He will be at UIUC next year.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Nobody ever knows what will happen.

Did anyone really think Tubby would leave UK to go to Minny? Even Alford leaving Iowa to go to New Mexico was a bit surprising.

[DawgFan]

True, nobody knows. But, I like my gut instincts over most, Weber will be in Champaign next season. Probably the year after. He'd like to be at UIUC until he retires. But, he will have to win more games next year and be in the NCAA tournament capable of making noise in two years.

[redbirdtim]

I'm just waiting for the thread that Coach K and Roy Williams will be duking it out for the "right" to coach the Bears. :lol:

[Hein72]

I'm just waiting for the thread that Coach K and Roy Williams will be duking it out for the "right" to coach the Bears. :lol:


No doubt. We have already been told that MSU is a much better job then Kent St. and Texas Tech. Shoot, Duke and UNC stand no chance. Might as well add Bill Self to the short list that MSU will be able to choose from. He would jump at it, his team will be losing at least 7 players.

:lol::valley::Jumpy::bears:

[douglasdmb]

No doubt. We have already been told that MSU is a much better job then Kent St. and Texas Tech.

Who said MSU was a better job than TTU?

[TNMSUFAN]

No doubt. We have already been told that MSU is a much better job then Kent St. and Texas Tech. Shoot, Duke and UNC stand no chance. Might as well add Bill Self to the short list that MSU will be able to choose from. He would jump at it, his team will be losing at least 7 players.

:lol::valley::Jumpy::bears:

Of course nobody said Missouri State was better than any other school but it is usually about the dollar. Christian only makes around $300,000 at Kent but he will probably hold out for a BCS job regardless of what we offer. Reality is Wichita State wasn't a better job than Winthrop considering they are headed to their 8th NCAA tournament in 10 years but there was 750,000 reasons Marshall left. We aren't going to throw that kind money around but I bet we will get a pretty decent coach.

[smsandmsuson]

You guys are just glad that you even got 9 years of Barry instead of someone would could have built upon the S16. Now you are pissed as hell that we are actually going to get someone who could coach around Barry in his sleep.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

Reality is Wichita State wasn't a better job than Winthrop considering they are headed to their 8th NCAA tournament in 10 years but there was 750,000 reasons Marshall left.

The Reality is the Missouri Valley Conference is a better destination than the Big South. You would be correct in assuming in hindsight leaving Winthrop for Wichita State is "eye raising" Marshall was the man in the Big South. However he was maxed out at that school and that conference. He's stepped to the big leagues now where their is some competition and other schools care about athletics.
Sure the pay raise Marshall got to leave Rock Hill South Carolina was pretty hefty but it would be a false statement to say that is the only reason he left.

[iSASO]

You guys are just glad that you even got 9 years of Barry instead of someone would could have built upon the S16. Now you are pissed as hell that we are actually going to get someone who could coach around Barry in his sleep.

Are you sure that's what you are going to get? Is the same AD doing the hiring this time?

[DawgieStyle]

That is not a true statement Brave. We did speak with Webber more than once now about him coming back to the Valley. He did not say yes, but he did not say no either. Probably wont come but he is talking and I know this for a fact.

oh god, another poster who is "in the know." Alright smart guy, how do you know, what's your position at Mo. State? Do you have a child Playing at Mo. state? Are you a player at Mo. State, a big donor....just what in the hell makes YOU part of the inner circle of hiring and firing coaches at Mo. State?

Look, I'm fine with someone saying they are "in the know" as long as they can back it up. Prove to all of us that you are part of the inner workings of the hiring process at Mo. State and I'll take your word for it.

Otherwise, just give us your opinion and drop the "I know this for a fact" crap.

[Nyghtewynd]

I'd be more concerned whether Golden Boy Marshall can coach at a school where he has to do more than roll the ball to center court against conference teams. Early returns are not promising...

[Brave2001]

If he is told he only has one more season to make it right and he doesnt think he can do that, why is it so hard to believe that he would leave before being forced out?

Not saying he is coming to MSU but I could see a coach getting out and making a move before he is forced to

It's hard to believe because of the following:

Weber's recruiting at Illinois is definitely on the uptrend. If all the recruits who have verballed for the '09-'10, and '10-'11 seasons don't pull an Eric Gordon, then Illinois will probably have top 25 recruiting seasons in back to back years.

If Webber can survive next season and not get fired, he will be at Illinois for a long time. Next year should be interesting. McCamey is pretty good, they get Jamar Smith back, and add Alex Legion. I think Illinois will actually be better next year, not much better, but better. Enough to save Weber's job and cash in on his recruiting haul. A lot depends on whether players like Bill Cole, Mike Davis, Chester Frazier, and Tisdale can make big enough improvements to help compliment the other 3 I mentioned above.

The new players for Illinois for the next few years look like this.


08-09
Stan Simpson PF 3-star
Alex Legion SG transfer from Kentucky, 3 years elegibility
Dominque Keller PF Juco Transfer (verbal), 2 years elegibility
09-10 (verbals)
Joseph Bertrand PG 4-star
Tyler Griffey PF 4-star
Brandon Paul SG 3-star
DJ Richardson SG 4-star
10-11 (verbals)
Jereme Richmond SG 5-star (top 5 nationally)
Crandall Head SG ???



Why on earth would anyone leave that behind...to go to Missouri State. They'd have to force my *** out (which may happen).

[Chairman of the Boards]

I'd be more concerned whether Golden Boy Marshall can coach at a school where he has to do more than roll the ball to center court against conference teams. Early returns are not promising...

Hmm... really? I wonder what his record would have been if he had at least 10 healthy players most of the year? WSU was a team that could have easily checked out early... instead, it looks like they were in all but about 2 games. When you dig into the facts, I'd say their early returns are quite promising... I wouldn't want to bet against "Golden Boy Marshall."
:no:

:valley::shockers:

[Shox21]

Of course nobody said Missouri State was better than any other school but it is usually about the dollar. Christian only makes around $300,000 at Kent but he will probably hold out for a BCS job regardless of what we offer. Reality is Wichita State wasn't a better job than Winthrop considering they are headed to their 8th NCAA tournament in 10 years but there was 750,000 reasons Marshall left. We aren't going to throw that kind money around but I bet we will get a pretty decent coach.

Don't go there. We don't want to rehash all the reasons WSU had a really sucky year. Obvioulsy Marshall thought WSU was a better job than Winthrop (better and tougher league and much more visibility). As to Winthrop getting into the NCAA again, yes they did but look at the competition or lack thereof they had had for the past 10 years. And will that league be a one bid league. It always has been. And Winthrop's seed will be really low. That is one reason Marshall himself said he took the WSU job -- he felt when (not if) he got to the NCAA with WSU, he would certainly get a better seed than Winthrop could ever hope for. And I am sure money talked as well. It would be stupid to think otherwise. Let's stick with MSU for right now.

[MSUBear42]

Rigggggggggggght, he took the job to get an 8 seed instead of a 10 and not for the 3/4 million dollars?

[Cdizzle]

Rigggggggggggght, he took the job to get an 8 seed instead of a 10 and not for the 3/4 million dollars?


If he goes 28-4 in this conference, he will get much better than the 11 seed of last year, and the 8 seed you propose. Nobody is saying the money isn't an issue, and a large one at that. But if all he cared about was the money, he wouldn't have been so pissed at how this year went.

To the topic at hand, I think maybe its a year too soon for this to be a real possibility. Otherwise, given a relative lack of success next year at Illinois, there might be reasonable consideration for the move, a la Tubby Smith.

[Shox21]

Rigggggggggggght, he took the job to get an 8 seed instead of a 10 and not for the 3/4 million dollars?


You know, that's the problem with you -- you CAN'T (or won't) read. I do believe I said it would be stupid to assume the money had nothing to do with Marshall's coming to WSU. Quit trying to pick a fight. Read AND comprehend, please.

[bears1]

oh god, another poster who is "in the know." Alright smart guy, how do you know, what's your position at Mo. State? Do you have a child Playing at Mo. state? Are you a player at Mo. State, a big donor....just what in the hell makes YOU part of the inner circle of hiring and firing coaches at Mo. State?

Look, I'm fine with someone saying they are "in the know" as long as they can back it up. Prove to all of us that you are part of the inner workings of the hiring process at Mo. State and I'll take your word for it.

Otherwise, just give us your opinion and drop the "I know this for a fact" crap.


I dont need to explain who I am because i could care less if you believe me or not. I do have inner circle access but I refuse to say in what capacity. I do know for a fact that we spoke to Webber twice now to get a feel for his situation at U of I. Not privey to what the 2nd conversation consisted of but I suspect it was about money and how much we would be willing to pony up if he were to move any more conversations forward.
I do not expect us to hire him but he is appearantly not all that happy right now with his job and/or his boss. In the end, however,I suspect that we will save money and offer a good up and coming assistant from a top program the job. There have been a ton of applicants that must be waded through first but that is what I believe will ultimately happen. maybe a John Gross or Derrek Kellogg pick and either one of those 2 guys would be a really good hire.

[DawgieStyle]

I dont need to explain who I am because i could care less if you believe me or not. I do have inner circle access but I refuse to say in what capacity. I do know for a fact that we spoke to Webber twice now to get a feel for his situation at U of I. Not privey to what the 2nd conversation consisted of but I suspect it was about money and how much we would be willing to pony up if he were to move any more conversations forward.
I do not expect us to hire him but he is appearantly not all that happy right now with his job and/or his boss. In the end, however,I suspect that we will save money and offer a good up and coming assistant from a top program the job. There have been a ton of applicants that must be waded through first but that is what I believe will ultimately happen. maybe a John Gross or Derrek Kellogg pick and either one of those 2 guys would be a really good hire.

If you can't provide proof of your ties to the universities inner circle of coach hiring and firing, then we can't take your post seriously, or on merit.

How do we know you're not just some idiot fanboy trying to gain credibility by saying "im in the know."

I just don't have a stomach for this kind of stuff. If you aren't willing to prove or divulge how you are tied to the program, don't mention that you are. You can still state your opinion, but the other stuff comes off as arrogant and fake unless you have some way of proving it.

[Aces1982]

If you can't provide proof of your ties to the universities inner circle of coach hiring and firing, then we can't take your post seriously, or on merit.

How do we know you're not just some idiot fanboy trying to gain credibility by saying "im in the know."

I just don't have a stomach for this kind of stuff. If you aren't willing to prove or divulge how you are tied to the program, don't mention that you are. You can still state your opinion, but the other stuff comes off as arrogant and fake unless you have some way of proving it.

Speaking from someone that gets some info from inside a program also. Why in the world would someone say who they got the info from?? You either believe it or not. Maybe because you could get the person that gave you info in trouble or fired. Maybe because if you tell the info and give up name you got it from you won't get anymore info.

If you don't believe then fine, don't believe it. You act like these programs are a secret society and no one get get some information. Or no one has friends that work inside the program or family that work for the University.

Is some of scuttelbutt, sure, but some of it has some truth to it also.

[DawgieStyle]

Speaking from someone that gets some info from inside a program also. Why in the world would someone say who they got the info from?? You either believe it or not. Maybe because you could get the person that gave you info in trouble or fired. Maybe because if you tell the info and give up name you got it from you won't get anymore info.

If you don't believe then fine, don't believe it. You act like these programs are a secret society and no one get get some information. Or no one has friends that work inside the program or family that work for the University.

Is some of scuttelbutt, sure, but some of it has some truth to it also.

I just don't see the point of saying "im in the know" if you aren't willing to prove you are. If you aren't, just leave it out of your post and simply state your opinion (that's perfectly cool), because that's all it is with out proof, an opinion. It's not a fact until there is evidence to prove it is.

It simply comes off as being arrogant. Unless you can provide the evidence of your claim, it's simply an opinon that is trying to be held up by a false claim of being "in the know" and that your opinion is somehow better than mine, yours, or anyones. The only thing that trumps an opinion is fact.

[bears1]

If you can't provide proof of your ties to the universities inner circle of coach hiring and firing, then we can't take your post seriously, or on merit.

How do we know you're not just some idiot fanboy trying to gain credibility by saying "im in the know."

I just don't have a stomach for this kind of stuff. If you aren't willing to prove or divulge how you are tied to the program, don't mention that you are. You can still state your opinion, but the other stuff comes off as arrogant and fake unless you have some way of proving it.

Im sorry, but you must have me confused with someone who cares about your stomach ache Dawgie. Facts are facts. Do some digging yourself if you dont want to believe me but I don't care either way. I will NEVER divulge my sources or I will no longer have sources to divulge.

[Aces1982]

I just don't see the point of saying "im in the know" if you aren't willing to prove you are. If you aren't, just leave it out of your post and simply state your opinion (that's perfectly cool), because that's all it is with out proof, an opinion. It's not a fact until there is evidence to prove it is.

It simply comes off as being arrogant. Unless you can provide the evidence of your claim, it's simply an opinon that is trying to be held up by a false claim of being "in the know" and that your opinion is somehow better than mine, yours, or anyones. The only thing that trumps an opinion is fact.

So you are saying, I want proof or I am calling you a liar. To passify you, he could tell you he is friends with an asst. coach. Is that proof?? Not real hard evidence. Then what, you want a picture of them two hanging out?? Point is, no matter how he tells you he knows, you won't believe him. Just don't believe him and move on. No need to reply, just skip it and say to yourself the guy doesn't know what he is talking about.

[bears1]

So you are saying, I want proof or I am calling you a liar. To passify you, he could tell you he is friends with an asst. coach. Is that proof?? Not real hard evidence. Then what, you want a picture of them two hanging out?? Point is, no matter how he tells you he knows, you won't believe him. Just don't believe him and move on. No need to reply, just skip it and say to yourself the guy doesn't know what he is talking about.


Well said 82. The fact of the matter is that it could do potential harm to Webber if I went into to much detail because as of right now, if his AD ask's him if he's is looking around he can simply say no. That is is only rumors flying around on message boards and websites. If I go into specifics then it could hang him out on a limb.
Like I said though, I dont think a deal will get put together anyway. Leave it at that and move on.

[AceFan]

MSU may be considering Purdue Associate Head Coach Cuonzo Martin. I've seen this rumored on Big Ten message boards. IF MSU has spoken to Weber, it could be because of Weber's connections to the Purdue program to get information about Zo.

[howboutdembears]

Dawgie treating everyone like a dick all the time seems arrogant too, but you seem to do it on a daily basis...

So if Bears1 told you he was Bill Rowes neighbor and they talked about it last night, would that make you believe him? How the hell is him divulging his sources make you believe him, anyone could make up sources..... you just want to start crap to fill a void in your life.... maybe your mom wont play with you anymore, i dont know.

[DawgieStyle]

Dawgie treating everyone like a dick all the time seems arrogant too, but you seem to do it on a daily basis...

So if Bears1 told you he was Bill Rowes neighbor and they talked about it last night, would that make you believe him? How the hell is him divulging his sources make you believe him, anyone could make up sources..... you just want to start crap to fill a void in your life.... maybe your mom wont play with you anymore, i dont know.

that's kind of the point. If you can't prove it, don't state it as fact. Just say it's your opinion, leave the little cliff note about being "in the know" out of it, and post your thoughts. I'm not telling the guy not to post his opinion, I just think its kind of pointless to post the "in the know" or "im part of the inner circle" crap when it can't be proved.

I've learned 1 thing about the internet in general since it's been developed, whether its message boards, on line sales, etc. etc. DON'T TRUST ANYONE! Again, I'm glad to hear his opinion, just don't back it up as fact with the idea that he is "in the know" when it is something that can't be proved or trusted because we are in the internet age.

[howboutdembears]

But if its not an opinion then posting it as such would be wrong as well... If I know for a fact that it rained last night, but I cant prove it to you, I must just say, it is my opinion that it rained last night? thats dumb... if someone knows something and is in the know on something and they post it you yourself can choose whether or not to believe it, but to come on and rail the guy for posting it, and claiming that he is arrogant for posting what he knows... that just shows that you are on here looking for attention and trying to be arrogant yourself....

you don't have to believe a thing anyone says but don't tell him he should only state it as opinion and not fact when it may very well be a fact.

[DawgieStyle]

But if its not an opinion then posting it as such would be wrong as well... If I know for a fact that it rained last night, but I cant prove it to you, I must just say, it is my opinion that it rained last night? thats dumb... if someone knows something and is in the know on something and they post it you yourself can choose whether or not to believe it, but to come on and rail the guy for posting it, and claiming that he is arrogant for posting what he knows... that just shows that you are on here looking for attention and trying to be arrogant yourself....

you don't have to believe a thing anyone says but don't tell him he should only state it as opinion and not fact when it may very well be a fact.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I just think if you have the balls to state you are in the inner circle of the hiring process at a school, then you should have the balls to divulge your sources for proof to such a claim.

[howboutdembears]

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I just think if you have the balls to state you are in the inner circle of the hiring process at a school, then you should have the balls to divulge your sources for proof to such a claim.

if he told you his source, would that make you believe him? no, you'd say, "how do we know you talked to them?" or something along those lines....

out of all of the crap you post on this site and then you come on and jump someone for this.... wow..

[DawgieStyle]

if he told you his source, would that make you believe him? no, you'd say, "how do we know you talked to them?" or something along those lines....

out of all of the crap you post on this site and then you come on and jump someone for this.... wow..

It isn't just him. I would jump on anyone for this crap. It's a pet peeve of mine. People acting all self important because they "knnoooowww" someone. (think of that up tight rich sounding snooty voice). And then when pressed to what degree they know the situation, or who their sources are, etc. etc. they fold like an 80 year old lawn chair.

Look, if you've got the balls to say you are "in the know," You've already opened the can of worms in my opinion. People are automatically going to want proof and questioins to how far "in the know" you are. If your goal is not to draw heat on your sources, why even state that you have sources in the first place? You've already laid the ground work for these types of questions from people like me.

[dogdays]

So, many on fanboards like these things because there truly is info on here that others dont always get....for Dawgie or anyone else to say that they want you to reveal your source or you have no credibiliity is their problem...would you really rather not here the inside scoop? IF you have an inside source and you get good info, then you would be a fool to reveal it...now if you just state that you know that so and so player is coming or so and so coach is coming without qualifying it then people will say , well how do you know...you then tell them that you have an inside source and they then want to know who....it doesnt work that way...I think what you have to do is listen to someone who says they have inside info and then see how often what they say turns out to be accurate...if its always or damn near always then you know they know..if its 50/50 you have to assume they dont...there is a guy over on Saluki Talk who always claims to know certain things....many beleive him but he has been wrong about 70 percent of the time...you then just discount him...its really pretty simple...

[bears1]

MSU may be considering Purdue Associate Head Coach Cuonzo Martin. I've seen this rumored on Big Ten message boards. IF MSU has spoken to Weber, it could be because of Weber's connections to the Purdue program to get information about Zo.


No, the calls to Webber were not about Martin. They were about him. Good Gawd. Why is it so hard to believe that he might have at least a passing interest in our job opening? He's in a pressure cooker situation at Illinois and sometimes people make decisions to take a step back and re-evaluate thier current position and quality of life. if he is miserable (an Im not saying that he is) then all the $$$ and big name conference crap mean nothing. Missouri State is not a bad gig once the money is made the money right and Webber is not exactly Coach K or Dean Smith.

[Dawg_tired]

$750,000 to $150,000....yeah makes sense to me.:no:

[BearsCountry]

$750,000 to $150,000....yeah makes sense to me.:no:

Too bad our next coach isnt making that. Even Barry didnt make that. He made close to 300k.

[bears1]

No, the calls to Webber were not about Martin. They were about him. Good Gawd. Why is it so hard to believe that he might have at least a passing interest in our job opening? He's in a pressure cooker situation at Illinois and sometimes people make decisions to take a step back and re-evaluate thier current position and quality of life. if he is miserable (an Im not saying that he is) then all the $$$ and big name conference crap mean nothing. Missouri State is not a bad gig once the money is made right and Webber is not exactly Coach K or Dean Smith.

Do you read before responding?

[Dawgbit]

Do they just make this stuff up?




Pardon my brevity,...but.....yes.

With a so-named website, what else are they going to talk about?

The Dewey Decimal System?

[NewEra]

I'd be more concerned whether Golden Boy Marshall can coach at a school where he has to do more than roll the ball to center court against conference teams. Early returns are not promising...

Marshall managed to split against MSU. Also managed to beat MSU last year. Early returns don't really mean much. I think MSU will learn next year just how hard of an adjustment it's going to be for your new coach and the team. Only thing Marshall can be judged on at this point would be his recruiting. He has done a decent job with that so I'm happy.

[iSASO]

The best part is that several Mo State would have taken Turgeon or Marshall over Barry in a heartbeat. You know it and we know it.

[BearsCountry]

The best part is that several Mo State would have taken Turgeon or Marshall over Barry in a heartbeat. You know it and we know it.

Only the Sign Man or Barry's church members would be dumb enough not to.

[Nyghtewynd]

You WSU honks are so sensitive. All it takes is one little thought that Golden Boy Marshall may end up being Quinn Synder and you melt like mad.

[iSASO]

Comparing Marshall to Snyder is the most lame analogy ever attempted on this board. Please run down their up-bringing for us and explain yourself.

[Shox21]

You WSU honks are so sensitive. All it takes is one little thought that Golden Boy Marshall may end up being Quinn Synder and you melt like mad.

No one is melting. I doubt even Coach K or Williams could have done much more with our team this past year. The cupboard was left pretty bare. Let's hope MSU's new coach does not face the same scenario -- bare cupboard, recruits not re-committing (or not being asked to recommit), late recruiting, injury, upon injury, upon injury, etc. It's all been stated before and no more discussion is needed. I don't wish ANY Valley team to have to go through a year like we just ended -- not even one you root for.

[BeeLine]

It's always so hard to know what makes up the set of current facts you have to respond to from some WSU posters; they seem to change alot. Prior to the season starting WSU had a roster by their own analysis that included 2 starters off a sweet 16 team, a top 100 recruit/transfer, an all-world guard from Europe, a top 20 prep school recruit, a juco all-american and another top 20 juco, and 2-3 bigtime sleepers on the frontline.
Now it's a bare cupard. The injury issue was real, but not anymore so than Marshall just not being prepared for this level of competition night in and night out. Obviously coaches like Jankovich/Davis/McKenna entered the league much better prepared and savy about how to prepare their teams to compete at this level. His history suggests Marshall will learn and succeed , he has all the resources necessary to do so at WSU, and there are plenty of quality coaches in the league for him to learn from. I'm sure with the huge dollars WSU has invested, they'll be patient with his learning process much as they were with Turgeon.

[TNMSUFAN]

I think the key is the time of the hire because if you hire your coach before April, or in the first week of April, you still have time to maybe get a recruit or two in case you have departures or guys get out of their LOI's. The last time we did this we hired Barry April 21 which pretty much meant he didn't have a chance to recruit any new players.

Concerning Webber I will not give up my sources, or how I know, but he was contacted to check his interests and to see how much it would take to get him here...nothing more nothing less. Most schools have people who contact potential candidates on behalf of the university to check their temperature and that has been happening at Missouri State since Barry told Rowe back at the end of January it was time for a change.

[Cdizzle]

The injury issue was real, but not anymore so than Marshall just not being prepared for this level of competition night in and night out. Obviously coaches like Jankovich/Davis/McKenna entered the league much better prepared and savy about how to prepare their teams to compete at this level.

What a ridiculous statement. Not a good follow-up to your questioning of fact sets.

[WuDrWu]

There are going to be some sad, sad people around here.

[Shox21]

It's always so hard to know what makes up the set of current facts you have to respond to from some WSU posters; they seem to change alot. Prior to the season starting WSU had a roster by their own analysis that included 2 starters off a sweet 16 team, a top 100 recruit/transfer, an all-world guard from Europe, a top 20 prep school recruit, a juco all-american and another top 20 juco, and 2-3 bigtime sleepers on the frontline.
Now it's a bare cupard. The injury issue was real, but not anymore so than Marshall just not being prepared for this level of competition night in and night out. Obviously coaches like Jankovich/Davis/McKenna entered the league much better prepared and savy about how to prepare their teams to compete at this level. His history suggests Marshall will learn and succeed , he has all the resources necessary to do so at WSU, and there are plenty of quality coaches in the league for him to learn from. I'm sure with the huge dollars WSU has invested, they'll be patient with his learning process much as they were with Turgeon.


I am not going to rehash what was said before, during and after Turgeon leaving and Marshall coming. Although I am not certain what a bare "cupard" is, suffice it to say that many WSU posters FELT we had a decent recruiting class coming in. I think many put way too much emphasis on what was left from our Sweet 16 run. I think it is now pretty much a concensus that Turgeon missed on his last two recruiting classes. Some players we had coming back just didn't perform up to expectations. All in all, it simply means that until a team -- ANY TEAM -- takes the floor in the Fall, no one knows for absolute certain what they have.

I'm a patient person and I am willing to give Marshall the next two years to prove what he can do. Was he unprepared for the Valley -- I'm not sure "unprepared" is the word. Marshall knew the Valley was more physical than the Big South, but possibly not how much better the competition would be. I think that until you have played in the Valley game in and game out, coaches really don't realize just how physical the Valley is and how wearing it is on coaches and players through the course of an entire season. It can be a rude awakening to come and actually have to play here. Marshall is learning by leaps and bounds, and thank you very much, I don't think he needs a tutorial from any of the Valley coaches.

[BeeLine]

That's a very reasonable and honest response and one that at least tries to address the often conflicting messages out of Wichita about "Turgeon the great recruiter" and gosh he left us with no talent. I think it also honestly addresses why Marshall may have struggled this year beyond just a talent shortage. Much like Majerus at SLU who inherited 4 starters from a 20 game winner but struggled all year, Marshall may be one of those coaches whose system requires both time and a specific type of player to be successful, while someone like Jankovich having experience both as a head coach and as an assistant at a major program was able to utilize existing talent and incoming recruits quicker and more efficiently right off. Long term who knows who proves most successful at this level.
I would suggest though that any coach who doesn't learn from consistent battles with coaches like Dana, Chris L , etc. especially as you said, about what it takes to prepare and compete in this league nightly, would be an arrogant fool. To that end, I'm sure Marshall was very much "schooled" this year and thankful for it.

[outpost]

I'm willing to give Beeline the benefit of the doubt, here.

There have been lots of reasons / excuses (you pick the term) given for Marshall's inability to succeed this year.

I think that from his first day in Wichita (a cold, rainy day - no really!!), Marshall walked into a perfect storm.....questionable leadership remaining, voluntary and involuntary player departures, injuries, deaths, late start in recruiting......and it continued on through the just completed season.

Whether they are perceived on the outside as excuses or not, I think that most WSU fans gave Marshall a pass for this season.

Beeline is correct - IMHO - in suggesting that Marshall can learn from the rest of the league's coaches. Any good coach does that, and it shouldn't be limited to coaches in the league. He's also correct in assuming that most WSU fans will be patient with Marshall while he grows and develops as a coach in a better league from which he came from.

I've got no problems with his overall statement. But I might take a little exception to his generalization that many (or most) fans had short-term expectations that were over the top.

[Ictjay]

I'm willing to give Beeline the benefit of the doubt, here.

There have been lots of reasons / excuses (you pick the term) given for Marshall's inability to succeed this year.

I think that from his first day in Wichita (a cold, rainy day - no really!!), Marshall walked into a perfect storm.....questionable leadership remaining, voluntary and involuntary player departures, injuries, deaths, late start in recruiting......and it continued on through the just completed season.

Whether they are perceived on the outside as excuses or not, I think that most WSU fans gave Marshall a pass for this season.

Beeline is correct - IMHO - in suggesting that Marshall can learn from the rest of the league's coaches. Any good coach does that, and it shouldn't be limited to coaches in the league. He's also correct in assuming that most WSU fans will be patient with Marshall while he grows and develops as a coach in a better league from which he came from.

I've got no problems with his overall statement. But I might take a little exception to his generalization that many (or most) fans had short-term expectations that were over the top.


Whats the deal? Rational statements aren't allowed here!!!!!!!!!!!

[outpost]

:innocent:

[BeeLine]

Many of the points I was trying to make, Outpost; although I don't know that I said expectations at WSU were over the top. While I always look for coaches who've won at various levels as an indicator of what they can do at the next, I don't think you can always infer they will have that same success. Just that they are certainly worth the risk based on history.
I think you have to look at the infra structure in place to support winning as well, which is why I find it easy to believe anyone taking the WSU job with reasonable coaching skills should be successful at a fairly high level. Which is also why I think the next hire at Missouri State will be walking into a situation that is ripe for success; new arena, very supportive president, changes in the overall athletic administration in progress, great conference .
With that, my INSIDE CONTACTS do indicate that someone that would make most of BearNation highly ecstatic very much wants the job.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Many of the points I was trying to make, Outpost; although I don't know that I said expectations at WSU were over the top. While I always look for coaches who've won at various levels as an indicator of what they can do at the next, I don't think you can always infer they will have that same success. Just that they are certainly worth the risk based on history.
I think you have to look at the infra structure in place to support winning as well, which is why I find it easy to believe anyone taking the WSU job with reasonable coaching skills should be successful at a fairly high level. Which is also why I think the next hire at Missouri State will be walking into a situation that is ripe for success; new arena, very supportive president, changes in the overall athletic administration in progress, great conference .
With that, my INSIDE CONTACTS do indicate that someone that would make most of BearNation highly ecstatic very much wants the job.

C'mon, name names...

[MSUBear42]

Kellogg seems to be the top choice for most BearNationers

[Divergence]

Kellogg seems to be the top choice for most BearNationers


http://www2.kelloggs.com/ServeImage.aspx?BID=33521&MD5=b5df36a55494545a2a0562eb898d011c&W=220

[BeeLine]

Kellogg is definitely winning the poll at BearNation, Tony Jones and Groce are other well regarded options. Appears most have moved from lower level head coach types to top BCS program assistants as their preference. I like that thinking as well and personally like Kellogg then Groce. DK would bring everything I'm wanting in our next coach as far as I can tell.When he was recruited at U Mass, a newspaper article suggested his scholy was a waste of taxpayers money; he went on to be a 4 year starter, 2 time 1st team All A-10, 2 time team captain among tons of other accolades. In his one year at Youngstown State before heading to Memphis with Calipari , he signed 3 top 150 recruits ; to YOUNGSTOWN STATE omg. But anyway, there is a process to go thru and I'm sure many candidates we know nothing about. But I think it's gonna be a significant hire .

[Dawg_tired]

Kurt Kanaski was seen in Bass Pro Shops yesterday.

[IndyTreeFan]

Tates Locke was seen at a sushi bar in Springfield yesterday, wearing a whole bunch of Bass Pro clothing, carrying a new catalytic converter with a big "O'Reilly's" sticker on it...

:bears::bears::bears:

[Cdizzle]

My "inside sources" are indicating that I'm hungry.

[MU88]

Kellogg is definitely winning the poll at BearNation, Tony Jones and Groce are other well regarded options. Appears most have moved from lower level head coach types to top BCS program assistants as their preference. I like that thinking as well and personally like Kellogg then Groce. DK would bring everything I'm wanting in our next coach as far as I can tell.When he was recruited at U Mass, a newspaper article suggested his scholy was a waste of taxpayers money; he went on to be a 4 year starter, 2 time 1st team All A-10, 2 time team captain among tons of other accolades. In his one year at Youngstown State before heading to Memphis with Calipari , he signed 3 top 150 recruits ; to YOUNGSTOWN STATE omg. But anyway, there is a process to go thru and I'm sure many candidates we know nothing about. But I think it's gonna be a significant hire .

Tony Jones? Is this Pearl's assistant? Let's just say that he doesn't speak English very well. He isn't going to get the job. He was an assistant at UWM and was in line for the job when Pearl left. He was immediately dismissed. He just isn't polished enough to be a head coach. Maybe he has worked on his public speaking ability and mannerisms, but unless there has been vast improvement, I can't see MSU hiring the guy.

[DawgFan]

I don't know if Tony Jones speaks English well or not, but he sure knows how to recruit and sitting with Bruce Pearl for ten years, you'd think he knows x's and o's too.

[TNMSUFAN]

Tony Jones? Is this Pearl's assistant? Let's just say that he doesn't speak English very well. He isn't going to get the job. He was an assistant at UWM and was in line for the job when Pearl left. He was immediately dismissed. He just isn't polished enough to be a head coach. Maybe he has worked on his public speaking ability and mannerisms, but unless there has been vast improvement, I can't see MSU hiring the guy.

Barry didn't speak English either...

Like Dawg said Pearl has kept him around for some reason