Patrick O'Bryant

[Keita44]

What happened to this kid? Had forgotten about him, but was reading through the NBA Free Agents, and Boston is thinking about signing him.

[DawgieStyle]

What happened to this kid? Had forgotten about him, but was reading through the NBA Free Agents, and Boston is thinking about signing him.

don't say anything negative, BU fans will jump all over you, and tell how he did what was right for his pocket book, blah blah blah.

Never mind if he had stayed in college, improved his fundamentals, he would have had an even bigger pay day in a couple years, AND! have a better shot at having a long term NBA career, rather than this mess you call now.

But hey, he made the the right choice, he took the money....:innocent:

[bcg]

PO'B will probably be going oversees. It sounds like he hasn't improved much over the last two years between the Warriors and the D League.

[jb399]

don't say anything negative, BU fans will jump all over you, and tell how he did what was right for his pocket book, blah blah blah.

Never mind if he had stayed in college, improved his fundamentals, he would have had an even bigger pay day in a couple years, AND! have a better shot at having a long term NBA career, rather than this mess you call now.

But hey, he made the the right choice, he took the money....:innocent:

There are some big IF's in that statement. If the next year he blew out his knee, he goes nowhere. He struck while the iron was hot and made out pretty well. Let's face it. The kid wasn't that heavily recruited out of high school. He gets national media attention during the Sweet 16 run. I don't think his stock was going any high than it was when he was drafted. You talked about the MVC in todays age in another thread. In todays MVC, if a kid knows he is going to be lottery pick, you best be getting the heck out of dodge and cashing your check.

If NBA and NBDA coaches could make him improve, what makes you think Bradley coaches could make him imporve?

[DawgieStyle]

There are some big IF's in that statement. If the next year he blew out his knee, he goes nowhere. He struck while the iron was hot and made out pretty well. Let's face it. The kid wasn't that heavily recruited out of high school. He gets national media attention during the Sweet 16 run. I don't think his stock was going any high than it was when he was drafted. You talked about the MVC in todays age in another thread. In todays MVC, if a kid knows he is going to be lottery pick, you best be getting the heck out of dodge and cashing your check.

If NBA and NBDA coaches could make him improve, what makes you think Bradley coaches could make him imporve?


the NBA specifically isn't about improving players, they don't wait around for that..so scratch that.

That's why they created the NBDL...unfortunatley, it's a complete joke, and there is better coaching at the college level than the NBDL.

The main thing that seperates the college atmosphere from the NBDL is the focus on the team game, the experience that comes from playing in games that actually count and mean something, and vying for a true championship.

The NBDL can't replicate that, never will. Which is why college is still a better place to develop than the D league.

Face it, O'bryant took the money and flopped. I agree, it's hard to turn down that kind of cash, but sometimes, you need to realize that if you are patience, even better things will come.

[txsaluki05]

OBryant did the right thing by leaving BU, even if he never plays basketball again. He can always go back and finish his Bachelors, and he's got a few million in the bank on the side. At the time it was good, he was dominant (except when he went up against Tony Young or BMF :naughty:), and he had the height which NBA execs covet.

[doinit salukistyle]

Dawgie, I don't think he would have done better if he stayed. The man was soft. Falker shouldn't have owned him the way he did with his 6'7" frame...but he did. With a crappy coach like Jim Les, do you think he would have developed any more? I sure as hell don't think so. His stock was as high as it was ever going to be, and he took the money, which was the right decision. I just hoped he saved some of it.

MAYBE if he would have gone to SIU like he planned before his mommy said no he'd be tougher...or he would have cried to mommy because lowery worked patty-baby too hard

[Canevision]

Dawgie, I don't think he would have done better if he stayed. The man was soft. Falker shouldn't have owned him the way he did with his 6'7" frame...but he did. With a crappy coach like Jim Les, do you think he would have developed any more? I sure as hell don't think so. His stock was as high as it was ever going to be, and he took the money, which was the right decision. I just hoped he saved some of it.

MAYBE if he would have gone to SIU like he planned before his mommy said no he'd be tougher...or he would have cried to mommy because lowery worked patty-baby too hard

I sat in the second row and watched Sky Frazier DOMINATE POB in a game that year. I would have left while the iron was hot as well. He made enough money to be set for life if he's smart, and he can still get a degree from Bradley (most times for free from his NBA contract).

Smart financial decision by him, and it isn't even really debateable IMO.

[DawgieStyle]

I sat in the second row and watched Sky Frazier DOMINATE POB in a game that year. I would have left while the iron was hot as well. He made enough money to be set for life if he's smart, and he can still get a degree from Bradley (most times for free from his NBA contract).

Smart financial decision by him, and it isn't even really debateable IMO.

good financial decision..sure.....good career move? no.

Would you rather be a first round flop, or a serviceable NBA veteran. He was never going to be great, but he could have had a long NBA career as a back up if he would have stayed in college. That's just my opinion, but it's better than being an NBA first round flop.

It's the whole money vs. career thing. Depends which is more important to you.

[MoValley John]

Show me the money!!!

[Brave2001]

Show me the money!!!

You posted that on the main forum...just so everyone can see your new sig.... :lol:

[DawgieStyle]

Show me the money!!!

I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE!

[numbr_9]

anybody who acts as though there was a clear-cut right and wrong decision here is a fool. It's all based on hypotheticals.

sure, maybe he would have had a longer, more productive NBA career if his draft value remained high, and if he continued to develop and improve, and if he avoided injury.

Or he may have been exposed as being "weak" and a "baby" as saluki fans put it. (perhaps bitterness over not having a lottery pick since ... well, i don't know when. since before my time at least)

As a bradley fan, i would have loved it if POB stayed. With him as a senior last year along with JC and ruff, BU would have been a much, much better team. but he left and that's how it goes. He took the money, still has an overseas career available to him, and can always finish his bachelors degree if he chooses.

those of you who say that he should have stayed in school are the type of people who have just landed on their number in roulette and decide to keep playing rather than cash out and walk away.

Unless you can come up with a time machine that would prove what would have happened, stick with labeling your opinions as conjecture and quit acting like a pompous know-it-all.

[MoValley John]

anybody who acts as though there was a clear-cut right and wrong decision here is a fool. It's all based on hypotheticals.

sure, maybe he would have had a longer, more productive NBA career if his draft value remained high, and if he continued to develop and improve, and if he avoided injury.

Or he may have been exposed as being "weak" and a "baby" as saluki fans put it. (perhaps bitterness over not having a lottery pick since ... well, i don't know when. since before my time at least)

As a bradley fan, i would have loved it if POB stayed. With him as a senior last year along with JC and ruff, BU would have been a much, much better team. but he left and that's how it goes. He took the money, still has an overseas career available to him, and can always finish his bachelors degree if he chooses.

those of you who say that he should have stayed in school are the type of people who have just landed on their number in roulette and decide to keep playing rather than cash out and walk away.

Unless you can come up with a time machine that would prove what would have happened, stick with labeling your opinions as conjecture and quit acting like a pompous know-it-all.

I feel asleep before I finished reading. Could you please give me the Reader's Digest version. Thanks.

[DawgieStyle]

It's all based on hypotheticals.

Thanks

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/1/15/CaptainobviousChooseOption.jpg

[MoValley John]

You posted that on the main forum...just so everyone can see your new sig.... :lol:

So? What is your over/under on how long it is before MSU fans explode without even knowing the context?

[DoubleJayAlum]

Honestly, I think POB would have been a fool to stay. A full year of observation and he would have been exposed for the talent that he really was. He fooled all the scouts by having a great post-season run and cashed in while the offers were on the table. Very, very clever.

Dawgie, I don't remember POB ever indicating he wanted to be some sort of business tycoon or computer techie. Instead, I remember him specifically saying that he wanted to be some sort of gourmet chef. Unless Bradley has some sort of international cooking school that I'm unaware of, I don't see how staying at Bradley another year or two would have prepared him more for his desired post basketball career.

[MoValley John]

Honestly, I think POB would have been a fool to stay. A full year of observation and he would have been exposed for the talent that he really was. He fooled all the scouts by having a great post-season run and cashed in while the offers were on the table. Very, very clever.

Dawgie, I don't remember POB ever indicating he wanted to be some sort of business tycoon or computer techie. Instead, I remember him specifically saying that he wanted to be some sort of gourmet chef. Unless Bradley has some sort of international cooking school that I'm unaware of, I don't see how staying at Bradley another year or two would have prepared him more for his desired post basketball career.

POB wanted to be a chef? Really? Well I hear they are hiring at SIA (Springfield International Airport). They need a chef or two to manage the snack bar/giftshop in terminal "B"

[Canevision]

good financial decision..sure.....good career move? no.

Would you rather be a first round flop, or a serviceable NBA veteran. He was never going to be great, but he could have had a long NBA career as a back up if he would have stayed in college. That's just my opinion, but it's better than being an NBA first round flop.

It's the whole money vs. career thing. Depends which is more important to you.

I guess I don't see it that way honestly. I think his ability was never that special. He had a great stretch of games that got attention and made him look better than he was.

If NBA coaches couldn't get him to even improve (mind you, he was plying in both summer and practices for an NBA season), how was coming back to play in the MVC going to make him that much better? (All due respect to the MVC)

[DawgieStyle]

I guess I don't see it that way honestly. I think his ability was never that special. He had a great stretch of games that got attention and made him look better than he was.

If NBA coaches couldn't get him to even improve (mind you, he was plying in both summer and practices for an NBA season), how was coming back to play in the MVC going to make him that much better? (All due respect to the MVC)

POB lacked fundamentals, something they do not teach at the NBA level, they expect you to have them already. They build off of those pre-existing fundamentals, when you fail to develop those at the college level, you fail in the NBA. Some players can do it in only 1 year, but for big men, it usually takes more than 1 or 2 years of college ball. Centers take a long time to develop, guards are a different story.

Like I said earlier, the NBA set up the D league for this reason, but as I stated in an earlier post, it's not comparable to the college atmosphere in my opinion, the intensity and pressure is lacking in the NBDL.

[Aegyptus]

Its just how you like it Dawgie.

Everyone, including me, disagrees with you.

[doinit salukistyle]

POB lacked fundamentals, something they do not teach at the NBA level, they expect you to have them already. They build off of those pre-existing fundamentals, when you fail to develop those at the college level, you fail in the NBA. Some players can do it in only 1 year, but for big men, it usually takes more than 1 or 2 years of college ball. Centers take a long time to develop, guards are a different story.

Like I said earlier, the NBA set up the D league for this reason, but as I stated in an earlier post, it's not comparable to the college atmosphere in my opinion, the intensity and pressure is lacking in the NBDL.

Is Jim Les a good coach? Do you think he would have taught him anything? No...get paid, go back to college, and get on the next food network star

[Majik45]

Hmmmm...Patrick O'Bryant just signed a one year deal with the world champion Boston Celtics. I guess he is all washed up, and can't make it in the NBA.:grin:

[DUBulldog]

Hmmmm...Patrick O'Bryant just signed a one year deal with the world champion Boston Celtics. I guess he is all washed up, and can't make it in the NBA.:grin:

Unless it's a guaranteed deal, it doesn't mean much.

[Majik45]

Not sure if it's guarenteed, but it seems like he'll make their roster based on this article as they speculate he'll replace the retiring PJ Brown. I believe the contract was at the league minimum, or just above it:

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/07/12/celtics_get_their_big/

[tBU]

OK IF JL is a crappy coach and POB was never going to amout to anything then 2 more years at BU would have done nothing for him.

He took the money and is set for life...he'll never make it to Dawgie styles level but who knew posting on Valley talk paid so much.

His next contract is gauranteed for 1 year with an option for the 2nd year just under a million.


Yeah shoulda stayed in school POB......:sleeping::sleeping:

Actually he shoulda went to SIU.....he could be holding "slow" road construction signs along the highway with godshawgod this summer while he ponders just what went wrong with his life.


Good god if there is anyone here that says they would have stayed in school or would have advised their kid to stay...you'r a liar or reeeeeeal stoopid.

[DawgieStyle]

OK IF JL is a crappy coach and POB was never going to amout to anything then 2 more years at BU would have done nothing for him.

He took the money and is set for life...he'll never make it to Dawgie styles level but who knew posting on Valley talk paid so much.

His next contract is gauranteed for 1 year with an option for the 2nd year just under a million.


Yeah shoulda stayed in school POB......:sleeping::sleeping:

Actually he shoulda went to SIU.....he could be holding "slow" road construction signs along the highway with godshawgod this summer while he ponders just what went wrong with his life.


Good god if there is anyone here that says they would have stayed in school or would have advised their kid to stay...you'r a liar or reeeeeeal stoopid.

well based on his career NBA stats so far, I'd say staying in school doesn't look too bad right now...but your right, he's just another tall, under developed, non fundamental, over paid NBA draft flop.....yah, great choice.

[iSASO]

Who was the last tall (6'4"+) SIU player to make an NBA roster and stick for a couple of years?

I really can't think of one.

Who was the last tall (6'4"+) SIU player to make the NBA All-Star team?

Again...I'm drawing blanks.

[tBU]

well based on his career NBA stats so far, I'd say staying in school doesn't look too bad right now...but your right, he's just another tall, under developed, non fundamental, over paid NBA draft flop.....yah, great choice.


Beats working for a living.......

[tBU]

[QUOTE=doinit salukistyle;144940]Dawgie, I don't think he would have done better if he stayed. The man was soft. Falker shouldn't have owned him the way he did with his 6'7" frame...but he did. With a crappy coach like Jim Les, do you think he would have developed any more?


Fast forward 15 years.....Falker standing around with his buddies rehashing how he "owned POB in College"......POB walks out of his office in his upscale Chicago resturant...."hey Falk, I'm not paying you to stand around a talk about your past I'm paying you to bus tables...now get back to work....and tell your buddy Shaw to step it up also. "

[tBU]

I feel asleep before I finished reading. Could you please give me the Reader's Digest version. Thanks.


It says MVJ has 6000 more posts then me....go ask him what POB should have done.........

[jt45]

[QUOTE=doinit salukistyle;144940]Dawgie, I don't think he would have done better if he stayed. The man was soft. Falker shouldn't have owned him the way he did with his 6'7" frame...but he did. With a crappy coach like Jim Les, do you think he would have developed any more?


Fast forward 15 years.....Falker standing around with his buddies rehashing how he "owned POB in College"......POB walks out of his office in his upscale Chicago resturant...."hey Falk, I'm not paying you to stand around a talk about your past I'm paying you to bus tables...now get back to work....and tell your buddy Shaw to step it up also. "

OMG! That is freakin hilarious. I don't care who you are, that is good stuff right there.:lol:

[upsaluki]

Who was the last tall (6'4"+) SIU player to make an NBA roster and stick for a couple of years?

I really can't think of one.

Who was the last tall (6'4"+) SIU player to make the NBA All-Star team?

Again...I'm drawing blanks.

The answer would probably be Chris Carr. I think it was the right move for POB to make the jump. His stock was hot, the guaranteed contract kept him around, and now he's getting another shot. I'm hoping he doesn't end up broke like half of the NBA players. In other words, I hope someone is helping him take care of his money.



Chris Carr
CAREER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
95-96 PHO 60 10 9.8 .415 .262 .817 .50 1.30 1.70 .7 .17 .08 .67 1.30 4.0
96-97 MIN 55 10 15.1 .461 .352 .767 .60 1.50 2.10 .9 .44 .18 .67 1.70 6.1
97-98 MIN 51 40 22.8 .420 .315 .848 .80 2.20 3.00 1.7 .33 .22 1.35 2.50 9.9
98-99 MIN 11 2 7.4 .346 .333 .500 .00 1.10 1.10 .6 .09 .09 .36 .80 2.1
98-99 NJN 28 2 13.0 .374 .379 .694 .80 1.30 2.10 .6 .25 .04 .86 1.30 6.6
98-99 -- 39 4 11.4 .371 .373 .675 .60 1.20 1.80 .6 .21 .05 .72 1.20 5.3
99-00 GSW 7 0 10.6 .333 .125 .842 .70 1.10 1.90 .4 .00 .14 .71 1.70 5.6
99-00 CHI 50 2 21.8 .400 .333 .858 .70 2.50 3.20 1.6 .60 .28 2.24 2.00 9.8
99-00 -- 57 2 20.5 .395 .317 .856 .70 2.30 3.00 1.5 .53 .26 2.05 2.00 9.3
00-01 BOS 35 0 8.8 .473 .459 .767 .30 .90 1.30 .3 .11 .09 .54 1.30 4.8
Career 297 66 15.2 .416 .338 .807 .60 1.60 2.20 1.0 .31 .15 1.04 1.70 6.7
Playoff 4 0 11.0 .563 .400 .800 .80 1.50 2.30 1.3 .50 .25 1.25 1.50 6.0

[DawgieStyle]

[QUOTE=doinit salukistyle;144940]Dawgie, I don't think he would have done better if he stayed. The man was soft. Falker shouldn't have owned him the way he did with his 6'7" frame...but he did. With a crappy coach like Jim Les, do you think he would have developed any more?


Fast forward 15 years.....Falker standing around with his buddies rehashing how he "owned POB in College"......POB walks out of his office in his upscale Chicago resturant...."hey Falk, I'm not paying you to stand around a talk about your past I'm paying you to bus tables...now get back to work....and tell your buddy Shaw to step it up also. "

they only let good NBA players own restaurants. :noexpression:

[MoValley John]

It says MVJ has 6000 more posts then me....go ask him what POB should have done.........

MVJ says take the money and run, biatch!
Anything less is just stupid. If a seven footer doesn't pan out now, he wouldn't have panned out with two more years of college. Regardless of what Dawgie says about the NBDL, at that point, it's up to the player to improve his game. POB has had two years to do nothing except concentrate on improving his game. He must have done something because he just cashed another check. All the while no psych classes, no studying for a stupid 300 level class. Just ball 24/7. Plus, he's got pocket change. If it doesn't pan out now, it probably wouldn't have anyway and he now has the jack to pay for school if he chooses.
Show me the money!!!

[tBU]

The answer would probably be Chris Carr. I think it was the right move for POB to make the jump. His stock was hot, the guaranteed contract kept him around, and now he's getting another shot. I'm hoping he doesn't end up broke like half of the NBA players. In other words, I hope someone is helping him take care of his money.


Well said....


POB seemed to be a well rounded AND grounded kid. He also had good parents who I was fortunate to meet a few times and his mom, for awhile, posted on Bradleyfans but quit when Patrick started playing, for all the right reasons.

Money does strange things to people but my guess is POB is getting AND following good advice.

[tBU]

[QUOTE=tBU;145164]

they only let good NBA players own restaurants. :noexpression:

And "they" are....???????

[DawgieStyle]

[QUOTE=DawgieStyle;145173]

And "they" are....???????

it was a joke nimrod.

[tBU]

[QUOTE=tBU;145188]

it was a joke nimrod.


If not understanding YOUR sense of humor makes someone a "nimrod" they need to change this from Valley talk to NimrodsRus......but way to be classy as always.:sleeping::sleeping: